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Post by Tinpot on Jun 1, 2019 11:19:24 GMT 1
The comment about the typo was just a cheap gag. I like cheap gags. How exactly do you ensure it doesn't happen though, when you've got a (seemingly) popular member of the squad with a massive ego undermining you? Do you kowtow and let a 22 year old who is having his first good half season & is orchestrating a move dictate how you run the show, or do you instill some discipline? Wagner was lucky. Jason Davidson tried to undermine him, but we supported Wagner's discipline because Jason Davidson was shit. If Jason Davidson was a better player, should Wagner have allowed him to undermine him? I would also suggest that Billing's actions seem to me to be more toxic than Davidson's were. whats toxic is theway this thread as gone down hill by some who should know better.let it take its course. The fact you've quoted me suggests that you might be referring to me not letting the thread take its course. Are you referring to my post or the lover's tiff between otium (EPBS) & @spezial? I'm just sharing my opinion. Agree or disagree, that's up to you but if my post isn't letting the thread take it's course then I have no idea what else I'm supposed to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 11:28:20 GMT 1
whats toxic is theway this thread as gone down hill by some who should know better.let it take its course. The fact you've quoted me suggests that you might be referring to me not letting the thread take its course. Are you referring to my post or the lover's tiff between otium (EPBS) & @spezial? I'm just sharing my opinion. Agree or disagree, that's up to you but if my post isn't letting the thread take it's course then I have no idea what else I'm supposed to do. no wasn't reffering to you and sorry if it read that way but otium and spezi\al should grow up bloody hell its like two school kids having a tantrum. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jun 1, 2019 13:04:16 GMT 1
I agree with Billing and what he said seems absolutely true- and did at the time. We got a young coach in who’s had some success at lower league level and came here thinking he could drive his style/ethos (whatever it is- we still don’t know) on the players. The big difference between him and Wagner is that Wag took over a team of mostly failures, Siewart took over a team who had had some success and had competed well in the prem. very different proposition requiring a different approach. Not one that sees players noses out out of joint and your best player on the wing. Personally, I’d prefer to jettison Siewart now and build the team around Billing next year. Has the chairman spoken of his desire to return at the first time of asking? Not heard that. I hope it’s not a managed decline as it appears to be so far. Siewart looks like he’d be far more comfortable down the league’s where the players will follow everything without questioning. That management approach is not appropriate at uk prem/championship level imo. We'd have been better thanking Siewart for his efforts after Southampton and getting rid. He's not the man. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 13:57:36 GMT 1
I agree with Billing and what he said seems absolutely true- and did at the time. We got a young coach in who’s had some success at lower league level and came here thinking he could drive his style/ethos (whatever it is- we still don’t know) on the players. The big difference between him and Wagner is that Wag took over a team of mostly failures, Siewart took over a team who had had some success and had competed well in the prem. very different proposition requiring a different approach. Not one that sees players noses out out of joint and your best player on the wing. Personally, I’d prefer to jettison Siewart now and build the team around Billing next year. Has the chairman spoken of his desire to return at the first time of asking? Not heard that. I hope it’s not a managed decline as it appears to be so far. Siewart looks like he’d be far more comfortable down the league’s where the players will follow everything without questioning. That management approach is not appropriate at uk prem/championship level imo. We'd have been better thanking Siewart for his efforts after Southampton and getting rid. He's not the man. disagree with you both on this but you are entitled to your opinions. Although it will take 2 transfer windows I think you will find we have a relatively young squad with three or four with experience. As I have said before and as a qualified coach myself you don't coach at Dortmund and get away with it if you don't know your stuff. As we all know there is lots of work to do at all levels in the club but I am optimistic we will be competitive next season.ps As for billing as I have said before the lad has talent buti hope the lad does well but we move on. |
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Post by royrace on Jun 1, 2019 14:54:07 GMT 1
We'd have been better thanking Siewart for his efforts after Southampton and getting rid. He's not the man. disagree with you both on this but you are entitled to your opinions. Although it will take 2 transfer windows I think you will find we have a relatively young squad with three or four with experience. As I have said before and as a qualified coach myself you don't coach at Dortmund and get away with it if you don't know your stuff. As we all know there is lots of work to do at all levels in the club but I am optimistic we will be competitive next season.ps As for billing as I have said before the lad has talent buti hope the lad does well but we move on. I don’t think anyone is doubting his coaching credentials but being a great coach of kids in Germany is a million miles away from being a good head coach in the English championship. There’s many a superb coach we’ve seen over the years fail miserably when given the top job. Anyhow we’ll see how he goes this coming season, if there no improvement I expect he’ll be gone by Xmas. |
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Post by terriers321 on Jun 1, 2019 15:06:33 GMT 1
I wasn't exactly happy with Jans appointment I thought we should have gone for a bit more experience. But once it was confirmed you have to back him and his new ethos. The players as professionals have to adapt and at least try. To used to getting molly coddled and their arses wiped by Wagner. No player is bigger than the club and certainly not one of fucking Billings calibre.
I never want to see him in a first team shirt again and if we can't sell him I hope he's put in the development team.
This is a big transition for the club the last thing we need is players with that attitude in what could be challenging times.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 17:18:54 GMT 1
The fact you've quoted me suggests that you might be referring to me not letting the thread take its course. Are you referring to my post or the lover's tiff between otium (EPBS) & @spezial? I'm just sharing my opinion. Agree or disagree, that's up to you but if my post isn't letting the thread take it's course then I have no idea what else I'm supposed to do. no wasn't reffering to you and sorry if it read that way but otium and spezi\al should grow up bloody hell its like two school kids having a tantrum. So what's new. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 17:27:24 GMT 1
disagree with you both on this but you are entitled to your opinions. Although it will take 2 transfer windows I think you will find we have a relatively young squad with three or four with experience. As I have said before and as a qualified coach myself you don't coach at Dortmund and get away with it if you don't know your stuff. As we all know there is lots of work to do at all levels in the club but I am optimistic we will be competitive next season.ps As for billing as I have said before the lad has talent buti hope the lad does well but we move on. I don’t think anyone is doubting his coaching credentials but being a great coach of kids in Germany is a million miles away from being a good head coach in the English championship. There’s many a superb coach we’ve seen over the years fail miserably when given the top job. Anyhow we’ll see how he goes this coming season, if there no improvement I expect he’ll be gone by Xmas. he wasn't coaching kids as you put it these were lads from 19 to 23years old and while your point about the difference in the championship is fair ilike you say we will see but ihave confidence in jan if he can get the lads he wants but that is easier said than done but it will be a young squad overall. utt |
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Post by royrace on Jun 2, 2019 0:18:00 GMT 1
I don’t think anyone is doubting his coaching credentials but being a great coach of kids in Germany is a million miles away from being a good head coach in the English championship. There’s many a superb coach we’ve seen over the years fail miserably when given the top job. Anyhow we’ll see how he goes this coming season, if there no improvement I expect he’ll be gone by Xmas. he wasn't coaching kids as you put it these were lads from 19 to 23years old and while your point about the difference in the championship is fair ilike you say we will see but ihave confidence in jan if he can get the lads he wants but that is easier said than done but it will be a young squad overall. utt Sorry yes by kids I meant not senior professionals/first team. It's a huge step up and a massive learning curve. I would imagine actual coaching is 50 percent of the job, if that. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 0:40:11 GMT 1
I wasn't exactly happy with Jans appointment I thought we should have gone for a bit more experience. But once it was confirmed you have to back him and his new ethos. The players as professionals have to adapt and at least try. To used to getting molly coddled and their arses wiped by Wagner. No player is bigger than the club and certainly not one of fucking Billings calibre. I never want to see him in a first team shirt again and if we can't sell him I hope he's put in the development team. This is a big transition for the club the last thing we need is players with that attitude in what could be challenging times. Disagree - he should be made to operate a turnstyle so that people earning about 100 times less than him can tell him what they think of his attitude. |
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Post by hackneytown76 on Jun 2, 2019 1:17:18 GMT 1
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Post by hackneytown76 on Jun 2, 2019 1:19:37 GMT 1
I fall out with my bosses every day ,but I am professional enough to not go public,plus's I need cash and no one cares , shame it's like this,we where shit last season but the fans stayed together , love you all
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Post by kennyk2 on Jun 3, 2019 7:43:27 GMT 1
Just a plug for the Sean Jarvis interview on the podcast from the boys at "and he takes that chance". Sean Jarvis interviewHe doesn't skirt around the issues and answers as honestly as he can, especially about Billing. He basically said, "we'll deal with it and we move on". In 2.5 hours he manages to give a good narrative on how the club runs, the ethos of the club, how we approached the PL and what those two years have meant. It's all very revealing and I don't think you would get too many club representatives being so open. He also mentions the personal abuse that he got, when things were going badly, but doesn't dwell on it. All in all a great listen if you want an insight into the inner workings of the club. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 8:21:21 GMT 1
Just a plug for the Sean Jarvis interview on the podcast from the boys at "and he takes that chance". Sean Jarvis interviewHe doesn't skirt around the issues and answers as honestly as he can, especially about Billing. He basically said, "we'll deal with it and we move on". In 2.5 hours he manages to give a good narrative on how the club runs, the ethos of the club, how we approached the PL and what those two years have meant. It's all very revealing and I don't think you would get too many club representatives being so open. He also mentions the personal abuse that he got, when things were going badly, but doesn't dwell on it. All in all a great listen if you want an insight into the inner workings of the club. What did he say about the Billing issue . |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jun 3, 2019 8:34:23 GMT 1
Just a plug for the Sean Jarvis interview on the podcast from the boys at "and he takes that chance". Sean Jarvis interviewHe doesn't skirt around the issues and answers as honestly as he can, especially about Billing. He basically said, "we'll deal with it and we move on". In 2.5 hours he manages to give a good narrative on how the club runs, the ethos of the club, how we approached the PL and what those two years have meant. It's all very revealing and I don't think you would get too many club representatives being so open. He also mentions the personal abuse that he got, when things were going badly, but doesn't dwell on it. All in all a great listen if you want an insight into the inner workings of the club. What did he say about the Billing issue . Just that, they were aware of the interviews that he gave, and it was pretty clear that he was alluding to Billing when he said we will deal with this issue internally and move on. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 8:40:40 GMT 1
What did he say about the Billing issue . Just that, they were aware of the interviews that he gave, and it was pretty clear that he was alluding to Billing when he said we will deal with this issue internally and move on. Thanks . |
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Post by detox on Jun 3, 2019 10:19:43 GMT 1
- He's special. Real German mentality, a little strange. He came in as if he had won the Premier League five times, a little arrogant. He 'tried too hard'.
These sound like ideal qualities for a professional football manager? DW's wet nursing of players didn't work , so kicking them up the arse to put in more effort seems like a great idea to me...Their fragile little souls need toughening up, and at £10k to £20k a week the least the fans expect is that they come off the pitch absolutely knackered... |
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Post by brodie81 on Jun 3, 2019 12:24:08 GMT 1
Just a plug for the Sean Jarvis interview on the podcast from the boys at "and he takes that chance". Sean Jarvis interviewHe doesn't skirt around the issues and answers as honestly as he can, especially about Billing. He basically said, "we'll deal with it and we move on". In 2.5 hours he manages to give a good narrative on how the club runs, the ethos of the club, how we approached the PL and what those two years have meant. It's all very revealing and I don't think you would get too many club representatives being so open. He also mentions the personal abuse that he got, when things were going badly, but doesn't dwell on it. All in all a great listen if you want an insight into the inner workings of the club. Thought Jarvis was very open in the interview. And was surprised by how the giants take us for mugs. |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jun 3, 2019 12:25:58 GMT 1
Just a plug for the Sean Jarvis interview on the podcast from the boys at "and he takes that chance". Sean Jarvis interviewHe doesn't skirt around the issues and answers as honestly as he can, especially about Billing. He basically said, "we'll deal with it and we move on". In 2.5 hours he manages to give a good narrative on how the club runs, the ethos of the club, how we approached the PL and what those two years have meant. It's all very revealing and I don't think you would get too many club representatives being so open. He also mentions the personal abuse that he got, when things were going badly, but doesn't dwell on it. All in all a great listen if you want an insight into the inner workings of the club. Thought Jarvis was very open in the interview. And was surprised by how the giants take us for mugs.I wasn't. I bet the powers that be at Town are apoplectic at times. The situation surely cannot be allowed to continue. |
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Post by Melc on Jun 3, 2019 13:00:47 GMT 1
Thought Jarvis was very open in the interview. And was surprised by how the giants take us for mugs.I wasn't. I bet the powers that be at Town are apoplectic at times. The situation surely cannot be allowed to continue. . Them egg chasers have taken town for a ride for years. Maybe town should hold some of the rental money back to put the stadium company in financial trouble to get them round the table and give town what they deserve, because no doubt if the giants where funding us they would want it changing! |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jun 3, 2019 15:01:25 GMT 1
I wasn't. I bet the powers that be at Town are apoplectic at times. The situation surely cannot be allowed to continue. . Them egg chasers have taken town for a ride for years. Maybe town should hold some of the rental money back to put the stadium company in financial trouble to get them round the table and give town what they deserve, because no doubt if the giants where funding us they would want it changing! Didn't DH say recently something along the lines of KSDL are running out of money & things will be coming to a head in the coming months? |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jun 3, 2019 17:27:56 GMT 1
. Them egg chasers have taken town for a ride for years. Maybe town should hold some of the rental money back to put the stadium company in financial trouble to get them round the table and give town what they deserve, because no doubt if the giants where funding us they would want it changing! Didn't DH say recently something along the lines of KSDL are running out of money & things will be coming to a head in the coming months? DH hinted that things would come to a head regarding the stadium in about 12 months time. |
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Post by yappledapple on Jun 3, 2019 18:59:00 GMT 1
. Them egg chasers have taken town for a ride for years. Maybe town should hold some of the rental money back to put the stadium company in financial trouble to get them round the table and give town what they deserve, because no doubt if the giants where funding us they would want it changing! Didn't DH say recently something along the lines of KSDL are running out of money & things will be coming to a head in the coming months? Yes - at the recent/his last Q&A. He also said he coudn't wait for Phil to take over this particular aspect of owning Town! He inferred that stadium discussions with KDSL and the Giants weren't high on his list of favourite things he had to do whilst being the owner! |
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Post by detox on Jun 4, 2019 8:21:40 GMT 1
I'm no big Giants fan, even though I've been to some games going back as far as the 60's...but Fartown/Giants have ground shared with Town since 1992...27 years... It's going to behard to 'get rid' of them and even harder I suspect to renegotiate the financial arrangements in place at the JSS.
Ken Davy is a sly old fox, but very clever...and he knows the Giants have the best of the deal..the crowds watching the Giants are not enough to support the playes wages never mind play in the luxury of 24,500 capacity arena...never mind paying anything for the stadium upgrades and maintenance, pitch relaying etc... The big problem for Town is the KSDL set up...HDOne seems to have finally died (haven't heard anything for ages)..so what is the point of KSDL ? What Phil might do is buy out some of Kirklees MBC share, maybe half of it to give Town a 60% majority ownership. I'm sure our cash strapped Council would be happy to receive a few £m for half their share.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 9:57:34 GMT 1
I'm no big Giants fan, even though I've been to some games going back as far as the 60's...but Fartown/Giants have ground shared with Town since 1992...27 years... It's going to behard to 'get rid' of them and even harder I suspect to renegotiate the financial arrangements in place at the JSS. Ken Davy is a sly old fox, but very clever...and he knows the Giants have the best of the deal..the crowds watching the Giants are not enough to support the playes wages never mind play in the luxury of 24,500 capacity arena...never mind paying anything for the stadium upgrades and maintenance, pitch relaying etc... The big problem for Town is the KSDL set up...HDOne seems to have finally died (haven't heard anything for ages)..so what is the point of KSDL ? What Phil might do is buy out some of Kirklees MBC share, maybe half of it to give Town a 60% majority ownership. I'm sure our cash strapped Council would be happy to receive a few £m for half their share. you make a good point but I am sure town wont let it go on much longer and will turn the screw. ive nothing against the giants but they have to contribute more becausekirkleesare struggling too. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 4, 2019 11:20:43 GMT 1
Wagner took over a team of players who were struggling in the championship. He got them fitter, he got them better organised and they played more attacking "front foot" football. But we finished in the same position we were in when he arrived. Then, he brought in 3/4 of a new team, got then to over achieve as individuals by playing as a team, and succes followed for 2 years. BUT, Lets not kid ourselves. The reason he left was because the team had won 3 games in nearly 12 months. The players had stopped believing and he was struggling to find new ways to improve.them. Jan took over a team of players that were fit enough, but just not good enough, what could he do with them other than try and change the way they played whilst facing some of the best teams in the world. Some players were completely spent in terms of confidence and i suspect some were already thinking about jumping ship at the end of the season. Calling Jan for only winning 1 game when DW had only won 2 ? The Wolves game at home was a good performance as was West Ham away and the last 2 games of the season. We lost badly against tomorrow nights finalists, but the performances were both better than the same games last season IMO. Tbf How can we compare anhything of us to Liverpool, Who along with City are light years infront, they both pissed this league. Town Are like non league compared to them. Have I missed where he's comparing us to the Victims, he's comparing Towns performances against them and Spuds to last season's games against them 🤔 |
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 4, 2019 11:39:47 GMT 1
I'm no big Giants fan, even though I've been to some games going back as far as the 60's...but Fartown/Giants have ground shared with Town since 1992...27 years... It's going to behard to 'get rid' of them and even harder I suspect to renegotiate the financial arrangements in place at the JSS. Ken Davy is a sly old fox, but very clever...and he knows the Giants have the best of the deal..the crowds watching the Giants are not enough to support the playes wages never mind play in the luxury of 24,500 capacity arena...never mind paying anything for the stadium upgrades and maintenance, pitch relaying etc... The big problem for Town is the KSDL set up...HDOne seems to have finally died (haven't heard anything for ages)..so what is the point of KSDL ? What Phil might do is buy out some of Kirklees MBC share, maybe half of it to give Town a 60% majority ownership. I'm sure our cash strapped Council would be happy to receive a few £m for half their share. It's very interesting what Sean says on the podcast re Fartown, the 3 stars he'd like on the KB trusses, the dressing up of the stadium before and after games etc. |
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Post by detox on Jun 4, 2019 17:46:33 GMT 1
I'm no big Giants fan, even though I've been to some games going back as far as the 60's...but Fartown/Giants have ground shared with Town since 1992...27 years... It's going to behard to 'get rid' of them and even harder I suspect to renegotiate the financial arrangements in place at the JSS. Ken Davy is a sly old fox, but very clever...and he knows the Giants have the best of the deal..the crowds watching the Giants are not enough to support the playes wages never mind play in the luxury of 24,500 capacity arena...never mind paying anything for the stadium upgrades and maintenance, pitch relaying etc... The big problem for Town is the KSDL set up...HDOne seems to have finally died (haven't heard anything for ages)..so what is the point of KSDL ? What Phil might do is buy out some of Kirklees MBC share, maybe half of it to give Town a 60% majority ownership. I'm sure our cash strapped Council would be happy to receive a few £m for half their share. you make a good point but I am sure town wont let it go on much longer and will turn the screw. ive nothing against the giants but they have to contribute more becausekirkleesare struggling too. I know we're going a bit off topic, but the past 3 seasons has seen Towns av gate at 20,343 (23 games); 24,029 (19) and 23,431(19) while the Giants has been 5,421 (11).. 5,826 (11)..and 5,745(11)... so Town have pulled in some 1,368,000 fans against the Giants 190,000 (approx) over this time period (admittedly while Town have flourished)..
As I understand it we pay so much per fan to KSDL (forget the figure, around £2 I think) so you can see these past 3 seasons we've coughed up some £2.7m against the Giants £0.4m .... We've also paid for stadium improvements ...It's plain to see why Town are aggrieved ..we could ditch the Giants, and their measly contribution and be better off by extending advertising throughout the stadium...and utilising the office space they use (shop etc)...I'm pretty sure Phil will be looking had at this...
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 4, 2019 18:40:14 GMT 1
These sound like ideal qualities for a professional football manager? DW's wet nursing of players didn't work , so kicking them up the arse to put in more effort seems like a great idea to me...Their fragile little souls need toughening up, and at £10k to £20k a week the least the fans expect is that they come off the pitch absolutely knackered... It was a lack of ability that did for us, not a lack of effort. DWs 'wet nursing' style seemed to work perfectly fine when we got promoted and then stayed up. Im not sure what the evidence is that JS's more hardline approach worked is. |
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Post by royrace on Jun 4, 2019 18:49:51 GMT 1
DW's wet nursing of players didn't work , so kicking them up the arse to put in more effort seems like a great idea to me...Their fragile little souls need toughening up, and at £10k to £20k a week the least the fans expect is that they come off the pitch absolutely knackered... It was a lack of ability that did for us, not a lack of effort. DWs 'wet nursing' style seemed to work perfectly fine when we got promoted and then stayed up. Im not sure what the evidence is that JS's more hardline approach worked is. There isn’t any evidence, it’s complete bollocks. People with short memories and lack of respect for the best manager in a generation and totally unfounded blind faith in the new man. Strange combo imo. Ps. You can add lack of luck, to lack of ability. The players don’t need their arse kicking (except billing), they need a talented leader they can respect. |
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