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Post by Torquayterrier on Jul 2, 2019 22:14:54 GMT 1
That was for non offside related decisions wasn't it? You can't have clear and obvious errors with offside. Where would you draw the line as to what is and isn't obvious? If you're offside you're offside simple as that. Everyone knows that is the case and with time will get used to it Just looked it up. You are correct offside is black and white with VAR which i think is a shame. Especially when it is so miniscule. I expect front men trying to break the offside trap or playing on the last man etc to dissapear if your toe can be offside. Will be interesting to see if a player like Salah adopts a slightly different style next season. |
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Post by Terry Jacko on Jul 2, 2019 22:15:16 GMT 1
Would imagine girls participation in football will go through the roof after this tournament, World Cup 2031 will be our year, Steph Houghton looking for redemption as manager will be a major story line.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 22:15:53 GMT 1
Because the benefit of the doubt was with the attacking team. Duhhhh Read my post again. Strikers being flagged offside when they were on Forgot the winky face. My point still stands though. How often do you see goals disallowed when theyre onside? Not many |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 22:16:00 GMT 1
Ah well, gutted for the girls but “we go again”. Proper enjoyed watching them over the past 3/4 weeks. They’ve done themselves and the country proud. Women’s football is on the up and there’s nothing the naysayers can do about it. That game tonight was 10x more entertaining than the Champions league final!! You do realise that as the women's game improves it will become less entertaining because they will actually learn how to defend Virgin |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 2, 2019 22:17:04 GMT 1
That was for non offside related decisions wasn't it? You can't have clear and obvious errors with offside. Where would you draw the line as to what is and isn't obvious? If you're offside you're offside simple as that. Everyone knows that is the case and with time will get used to it Just looked it up. You are correct offside is black and white with VAR which i think is a shame. Especially when it is so miniscule. I expect front men trying to break the offside trap or playing on the last man etc to dissapear if your toe can be offside. Wait till next season in the PL when all the strikers of the top 6 clubs will be getting the benefit of the doubt because they'll be telling the refs it can't be right because they wear a size 4 boot... |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 2, 2019 22:23:47 GMT 1
Yes you've watched a prerecorded program that anyone can watch at any time as opposed to watching something unfold live. What is the point of your post? I dont need to watch anything live. I go to games i want to see live. 8 world cups, 8 euro champs under my belt. I would not have crossed the road to watch that tonight. That was clearly the point of my post. |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 2, 2019 22:24:52 GMT 1
Because the benefit of the doubt was with the attacking team. Duhhhh Read my post again. Strikers being flagged offside when they were on Not cool to mention periods. |
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Post by golcarexile on Jul 2, 2019 22:30:36 GMT 1
best team won. england were gash. Indeed. In much the same way that Town last season were just bollocks. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jul 2, 2019 22:32:21 GMT 1
Yes you've watched a prerecorded program that anyone can watch at any time as opposed to watching something unfold live. What is the point of your post? I dont need to watch anything live. I go to games i want to see live. 8 world cups, 8 euro champs under my belt. I would not have crossed the road to watch that tonight. That was clearly the point of my post. Even by your usual standard of self aggrandising guff it was a pearler and you've done it again😂 |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 2, 2019 22:36:14 GMT 1
I dont need to watch anything live. I go to games i want to see live. 8 world cups, 8 euro champs under my belt. I would not have crossed the road to watch that tonight. That was clearly the point of my post. Even by your usual standard of self aggrandising guff it was a pearler and you've done it again😂 And £8 grands worth of tickets for Euro 2020 ordered tonight. |
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Post by Novakaine on Jul 2, 2019 22:39:06 GMT 1
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Post by Town Duppy on Jul 2, 2019 22:46:42 GMT 1
Even by your usual standard of self aggrandising guff it was a pearler and you've done it again😂 And £8 grands worth of tickets for Euro 2020 ordered tonight. Who you sharing the seat with? |
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Post by ambryboy on Jul 2, 2019 22:49:50 GMT 1
We went down to 10 men... It took me a moment to twig what you meant, excellent  |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jul 2, 2019 22:56:10 GMT 1
Even by your usual standard of self aggrandising guff it was a pearler and you've done it again😂 And £8 grands worth of tickets for Euro 2020 ordered tonight. I don't care what anyone else thinks, I'm calling that a hat trick. A hat trick of own goals perhaps but a hat trick nevertheless🤣 |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 2, 2019 22:57:01 GMT 1
And £8 grands worth of tickets for Euro 2020 ordered tonight. Who you sharing the seat with? His ego on the left, alter ego on the right. His man servants underneath propping up his unfeasibly large testicles... |
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 2, 2019 23:03:18 GMT 1
Who you sharing the seat with? His ego on the left, alter ego on the right. His man servants underneath propping up his unfeasibly large testicles... Buster Gonad. You have absolutely no idea how close you are Fishy. |
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Post by impact on Jul 2, 2019 23:05:35 GMT 1
Has to be a red card. Makes no attempt to play the ball. Very poor refereeing. Made no attempt to play the ball but also no attempt to make a foul. She didn't stick a leg out, she was judt running back naturally and white swinging her leg back to shoot initiated the contact. The defender can't disappear in to thin air If the ref gave a penalty she had to send her off. A yellow wasn't an option at all. |
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Post by Town Duppy on Jul 2, 2019 23:09:47 GMT 1
His ego on the left, alter ego on the right. His man servants underneath propping up his unfeasibly large testicles... Buster Gonad. You have absolutely no idea how close you are Fishy.  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 2, 2019 23:29:35 GMT 1
Made no attempt to play the ball but also no attempt to make a foul. She didn't stick a leg out, she was judt running back naturally and white swinging her leg back to shoot initiated the contact. The defender can't disappear in to thin air If the ref gave a penalty she had to send her off. A yellow wasn't an option at all. Didn;t have to be a red unless it was seen as a deliberate foul, which it certainly wasn't. She wasn't even trying to make contact with her. It was a pen but Ive no idea why the US player was booked. Its like theres now some unwritten rule that any foul in the area is a yellow card offence. Why? Its just a foul.. give a free kick ( pen ). Our disallowed goal was offside, but once again VAR shows it will remove the joy of celebrating a goal by altering a decision that certainly wasn;t a clear and obvious mistake. Yes the correct decision, but the game dies a bit every time they do it IMO |
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Post by impact on Jul 2, 2019 23:44:40 GMT 1
If the ref gave a penalty she had to send her off. A yellow wasn't an option at all. Didn;t have to be a red unless it was seen as a deliberate foul, which it certainly wasn't. She wasn't even trying to make contact with her. It was a pen but Ive no idea why the US player was booked. Its like theres now some unwritten rule that any foul in the area is a yellow card offence. Why? Its just a foul.. give a free kick ( pen ). Our disallowed goal was offside, but once again VAR shows it will remove the joy of celebrating a goal by altering a decision that certainly wasn;t a clear and obvious mistake. Yes the correct decision, but the game dies a bit every time they do it IMO The red card is for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity. She made no genuine attempt to play the ball. Meaning to or not isn't part of the equation. It's either a penalty and a red or no penalty. It cannot be a penalty and yellow card. That is a referee not applying the laws correctly. It's the same as when a defender runs across an attacker outside the box and gets sent off for accidently tripping them when through on goal. Harsh, yes, but the law. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 0:11:20 GMT 1
People are 3 dimensional. You can’t had a 1 dimensional line to make a decision. Simple They didnt even freeze frame at the point of the pass and zoom in Absolute shocking decision The VAR operators are seeing far more angles than we get to see No they aren’t. “For integrity/transparency/credibility, the VAR, assisted by a replay operator (RO), will have independent access to, and replay control of, all broadcast ‘feeds’ so any review uses the same footage as that which may be seen on television. The integrity of the VAR system would be undermined if the broadcaster could show footage not available to the VAR/referee which contradicts the VAR/referee decision.”Another point I’ve not seen mentioned anywhere is that the way the VAR decision played out opened up a flaw in the system. The time line was the incident occurred, subsequently played stopped, and a substitution was made, the VAR decision came AFTER the substitution. The law is that restarts after a stoppage should be delayed before a VAR decision is completed...which means you can make a sub, but the game can’t restart after that sub until the VAR review is cleared up. What if the USA player involved was on a yellow card and they subbed her off whilst the review was happening. Decision is subsequently made to award a penalty, but the laws are that if a substituted player is sent off, then there’s no change to the number of players on the pitch...so...to prevent that occurring, if there’s a VAR review, and a stoppage occurs before the decision, surely the referee has to effectively freeze the game at the stoppage, not at the restart?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 0:17:10 GMT 1
Didn;t have to be a red unless it was seen as a deliberate foul, which it certainly wasn't. She wasn't even trying to make contact with her. It was a pen but Ive no idea why the US player was booked. Its like theres now some unwritten rule that any foul in the area is a yellow card offence. Why? Its just a foul.. give a free kick ( pen ). Our disallowed goal was offside, but once again VAR shows it will remove the joy of celebrating a goal by altering a decision that certainly wasn;t a clear and obvious mistake. Yes the correct decision, but the game dies a bit every time they do it IMO The red card is for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity. She made no genuine attempt to play the ball. Meaning to or not isn't part of the equation. It's either a penalty and a red or no penalty. It cannot be a penalty and yellow card. That is a referee not applying the laws correctly. It's the same as when a defender runs across an attacker outside the box and gets sent off for accidently tripping them when through on goal. Harsh, yes, but the law. Incorrect, the rules were changed 3 years ago! Players committing accidental fouls that deny a goal scoring opportunity are cautioned, deliberate fouls to prevent a goal scoring opportunity are red cards. The referee perfectly applied the rules. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 0:20:42 GMT 1
Made no attempt to play the ball but also no attempt to make a foul. She didn't stick a leg out, she was judt running back naturally and white swinging her leg back to shoot initiated the contact. The defender can't disappear in to thin air If the ref gave a penalty she had to send her off. A yellow wasn't an option at all. Wrong. |
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Post by impact on Jul 3, 2019 0:28:24 GMT 1
The red card is for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity. She made no genuine attempt to play the ball. Meaning to or not isn't part of the equation. It's either a penalty and a red or no penalty. It cannot be a penalty and yellow card. That is a referee not applying the laws correctly. It's the same as when a defender runs across an attacker outside the box and gets sent off for accidently tripping them when through on goal. Harsh, yes, but the law. Incorrect, the rules were changed 3 years ago! Players committing accidental fouls that deny a goal scoring opportunity are cautioned, deliberate fouls to prevent a goal scoring opportunity are red cards. The referee perfectly applied the rules. No. That isn't the law. The law is that it is only not a red card if there was an attempt made to play the ball. There was no attempt made to play the ball so if the ref decides it's a penalty, she has to send her off. This is from the FA website: |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 0:47:12 GMT 1
Incorrect, the rules were changed 3 years ago! Players committing accidental fouls that deny a goal scoring opportunity are cautioned, deliberate fouls to prevent a goal scoring opportunity are red cards. The referee perfectly applied the rules. No. That isn't the law. The law is that it is only not a red card if there was an attempt made to play the ball. There was no attempt made to play the ball so if the ref decides it's a penalty, she has to send her off. This is from the FA website: Holding, pulling, pushing etc are offences with actionable intent. She was going towards an attempt to play the ball. It’s exactly what the rule change was brought in for...and is the same reason Coleman gets a yellow here >> |
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Post by impact on Jul 3, 2019 1:00:07 GMT 1
No. That isn't the law. The law is that it is only not a red card if there was an attempt made to play the ball. There was no attempt made to play the ball so if the ref decides it's a penalty, she has to send her off. This is from the FA website: Holding, pulling, pushing etc are offences with actionable intent. She was going towards an attempt to play the ball. It’s exactly what the rule change was brought in for...and is the same reason Coleman gets a yellow here >> That Coleman incident is completely different. Whether he had a chance of getting the ball is debatable, but he made it look like he was going for the ball. The USA player didn't. The change was brought in to stop players being sent off for fractionally mis-timing challenges, not for players who foul without trying to play the ball. I posted the exact wording above. Yellow if an attempt to play the ball is made, red in all other situations. How much they intended to foul doesn't come into it if it is viewed as a foul. FWIW I don't think it was a foul tbh, cartainly not clear and obvious which is what VAR is meant for. But once the ref has decided it is a foul, her only option was a red card. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2019 1:18:38 GMT 1
Holding, pulling, pushing etc are offences with actionable intent. She was going towards an attempt to play the ball. It’s exactly what the rule change was brought in for...and is the same reason Coleman gets a yellow here >> That Coleman incident is completely different. Whether he had a chance of getting the ball is debatable, but he made it look like he was going for the ball. The USA player didn't. The change was brought in to stop players being sent off for fractionally mis-timing challenges, not for players who foul without trying to play the ball. I posted the exact wording above. Yellow if an attempt to play the ball is made, red in all other situations. How much they intended to foul doesn't come into it if it is viewed as a foul. FWIW I don't think it was a foul tbh. But once the ref has decided it is a foul, her only option was a red card. Incorrect. img.fifa.com/image/upload/owzmxz66az03rfelgd0t.pdfIt’s a caution. It’s only a red card for holding, pushing, pulling or no attempt to play the ball (or serious foul olay / violent conduct / deliberate handball etc). She was attempting to play the ball, she didn’t hold, push or pull the England player, it’s a caution. The referee was correct, still. |
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Post by impact on Jul 3, 2019 1:24:53 GMT 1
That Coleman incident is completely different. Whether he had a chance of getting the ball is debatable, but he made it look like he was going for the ball. The USA player didn't. The change was brought in to stop players being sent off for fractionally mis-timing challenges, not for players who foul without trying to play the ball. I posted the exact wording above. Yellow if an attempt to play the ball is made, red in all other situations. How much they intended to foul doesn't come into it if it is viewed as a foul. FWIW I don't think it was a foul tbh. But once the ref has decided it is a foul, her only option was a red card. Incorrect. img.fifa.com/image/upload/owzmxz66az03rfelgd0t.pdfIt’s a caution. It’s only a red card for holding, pushing, pulling or no attempt to play the ball (or serious foul olay / violent conduct / deliberate handball etc). She was attempting to play the ball, she didn’t hold, push or pull the England player, it’s a caution. The referee was correct, still. If you thought she was attempting to play the ball then fair enough. She wasn't in my eyes. Not entirely sure where that link is from (I know it's from fifa.com but not where it's linked from) but on the IFAB site, it has the same wording as the FA's above. www.theifab.com/laws/chapter/32/section/94/ |
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Post by markthehorn on Jul 3, 2019 9:38:17 GMT 1
Shame for the ladies - typically England way to exit .
Beaten by the better side but not without a bit of bad luck or misfortune made by ourselves!
Next Euros is in England I believe so be another test of how the game has grown in this country .
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Post by terriertim on Jul 3, 2019 10:52:59 GMT 1
That no 6 makes Borris Johnson look like Neymar Boris has smaller norks ! |
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