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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 15, 2019 12:47:39 GMT 1
Come on feire mate, now they are sponsors they give us Town fans enhanced odds I'll get you more for your 100 notes on the relaxation bet, bring it tonight with you to the q&a and we're in business.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 15, 2019 12:48:48 GMT 1
The modern world encapsulated in one very short video clip. It's bollocks really; I don't find it funny and I don't find it offensive. It is just another perfect example of why life is getting more shitty by the day. PP don't give two shiney fucks about us. We are a cheap marketing gimmick. All this jokey, matey, laddy crap doesn't wash with me either. I'd rather we had a blank shirt rather than lower our morals and deal with these leeches. I agree in that its not funny. But it's not offensive either.. its just there . Bottom line is we have been struggling for a sponsor and paddy power are now paying us .. must have been a tough decision to get involved with a club whose last 12 months have been so awful. Let's just welcome them on board and see where it takes us surely? Yeah, I stated myself that I don't find it offensive either. I do have issues with large betting companies though; imo they offer bugger all to Society and their marketing garbage really grind my gears. It masks the reality of gambling for many people. |
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Post by crux on Jul 15, 2019 12:58:47 GMT 1
The Town 'fans' on here who take the piss out of the club pay between 0 and £250 per season. At least PP are paying around £500k for it 😂😉. interesting point. Do we know how much they're paying us? The 500kpa is a 'guesstimation' based on the highest non-PL sponsorship posts from the club and SJ comments about hard negotiations. |
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 15, 2019 12:59:23 GMT 1
The modern world encapsulated in one very short video clip. It's bollocks really; I don't find it funny and I don't find it offensive. It is just another perfect example of why life is getting more shitty by the day. PP don't give two shiney fucks about us. We are a cheap marketing gimmick. All this jokey, matey, laddy crap doesn't wash with me either. I'd rather we had a blank shirt rather than lower our morals and deal with these leeches. Good grief! Morals and Leeches? What about OPE and Casino Red? Were you happy with the fundamentals of Rekoderlig? Happy with the money from Pure Legal, the ambulance chasers? 100% of companies sponsor something because they want to raise the profile of their business. It is entirely selfish on their behalf. This isn't new! It happened with OPE. It happened with Panosonic. It even happened with Mirfield Tyres believe it or not. It happened with every single sponsor we have ever had. We don't have the means to forego sponsorship and take a moral, ethical stand - we're not Barcelona. I don't find most 'bantz' funny either, but a fucking lot of football fans do. I agree to some degree and I don't like a lot of things in modern football, but if this is what we have to do to compete and survive, so be it. Especially if it means we don't have to settle for foreign ownership to whom we sell every asset just to beat FFP. Just imagine the meltdown if we couldn't spend this or that because we morally objected to sponsorship... I understand the nature of sponsorship and marketing. I accept that this is a deal that the club felt they had to take. I get that. I understand it. But I don't like it and I'm just stating my position. Will that make a difference? Will it fuck. Will I stop supporting Town? Will I fuck. Will I abuse Sean Jarvis on Twitter? Will I fuck. Our club represents our community though and we should have a moral line. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 15, 2019 13:05:33 GMT 1
I agree in that its not funny. But it's not offensive either.. its just there . Bottom line is we have been struggling for a sponsor and paddy power are now paying us .. must have been a tough decision to get involved with a club whose last 12 months have been so awful. Let's just welcome them on board and see where it takes us surely? Yeah, I stated myself that I don't find it offensive either. I do have issues with large betting companies though; imo they offer bugger all to Society and their marketing garbage really grind my gears. It masks the reality of gambling for many people. We've just had ope for two years.. moat clubs are or have had sponsors from the gambling world . People have a right to a view about this but it is what it is.. as you say .. modern society |
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 15, 2019 13:15:17 GMT 1
I wonder if we fans can have a special HTFC PP account that gives us even more betting special offers 😉
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Post by Boaty McBoatface on Jul 15, 2019 13:19:27 GMT 1
I wonder if we fans can have a special HTFC PP account that gives us even more betting special offers 😉 Or an account that doesn't get restricted like my PP did for the heinous crime of winning £50 with them on the gee-gees! |
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jul 15, 2019 13:23:34 GMT 1
To be clear, I think if anyone has an objection to us being sponsored by a gambling firm, it's a little late. I understand the moral questions it poses, but as I stated above, we have had other bookies and booze peddlars before. I'd suggest that it's possible to look at any shirt sponsor and come up with a moral or ethical challenge. It is what it is, I'll still be buying a shirt and at least for the first time in a few years I won't have people looking at the sponsor and asking me who they are.
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Post by goalden on Jul 15, 2019 13:49:02 GMT 1
Surely the interesting point is that a nationally recognised brand wants to be associated with us and (as much as they can probably ride out a disaster of a season with some self-depreciating 'bantz') - they will be expecting us to do well and give them lots of positive exposure.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2019 14:06:10 GMT 1
Good grief! Morals and Leeches? What about OPE and Casino Red? Were you happy with the fundamentals of Rekoderlig? Happy with the money from Pure Legal, the ambulance chasers? 100% of companies sponsor something because they want to raise the profile of their business. It is entirely selfish on their behalf. This isn't new! It happened with OPE. It happened with Panosonic. It even happened with Mirfield Tyres believe it or not. It happened with every single sponsor we have ever had. We don't have the means to forego sponsorship and take a moral, ethical stand - we're not Barcelona. I don't find most 'bantz' funny either, but a fucking lot of football fans do. I agree to some degree and I don't like a lot of things in modern football, but if this is what we have to do to compete and survive, so be it. Especially if it means we don't have to settle for foreign ownership to whom we sell every asset just to beat FFP. Just imagine the meltdown if we couldn't spend this or that because we morally objected to sponsorship... I understand the nature of sponsorship and marketing. I accept that this is a deal that the club felt they had to take. I get that. I understand it. But I don't like it and I'm just stating my position. Will that make a difference? Will it fuck. Will I stop supporting Town? Will I fuck. Will I abuse Sean Jarvis on Twitter? Will I fuck. Our club represents our community though and we should have a moral line. We do have a moral line. Gambling and alcohol companies are on the right side of it, as they should be IMO. What you mean is, the club should have the same moral line that you have. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 14:20:18 GMT 1
To be clear, I think if anyone has an objection to us being sponsored by a gambling firm, it's a little late. I understand the moral questions it poses, but as I stated above, we have had other bookies and booze peddlars before. I'd suggest that it's possible to look at any shirt sponsor and come up with a moral or ethical challenge. It is what it is, I'll still be buying a shirt and at least for the first time in a few years I won't have people looking at the sponsor and asking me who they are. It’s not too late, and I assume/hope this is a short term deal. The gambling companies have agreed to new rules this year which prevents TV advertising “whistle to whistle” (plus 5 mins) on all live sport bar racing that starts before 9pm, this a voluntary code in advance of legislation to follow. Of course, as things stand it remains a pledge also that any future Labour government would seek to outlaw football shirt sponsorship by gambling firms either by industry code or legislation. Milk them now whilst we can, as the likelihood is the next deal has much less value. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jul 15, 2019 14:25:27 GMT 1
To be clear, I think if anyone has an objection to us being sponsored by a gambling firm, it's a little late. I understand the moral questions it poses, but as I stated above, we have had other bookies and booze peddlars before. I'd suggest that it's possible to look at any shirt sponsor and come up with a moral or ethical challenge. It is what it is, I'll still be buying a shirt and at least for the first time in a few years I won't have people looking at the sponsor and asking me who they are. I think objection to it may be a little strong but obviously a lot would PREFER for us not to be sponsored by booze or betting companies. Unlike tobacco companies they are allowed sports sponsorship and are seemingly happy to give us the money so I'm sure as a club we are happy to take it. As stated earlier it is probably the biggest brand to sponsor us since Panasonic and it will be interesting how we can benefit from it in non financial terms. I wonder is Paddypower available to Canadian residents  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 14:26:02 GMT 1
Come on feire mate, now they are sponsors they give us Town fans enhanced odds I'll get you more for your 100 notes on the relaxation bet, bring it tonight with you to the q&a and we're in business. Hey you've switched threads - flexibility and negativity - I look forward to hearing you place PH on the spot with your rigorous, informed and critical scrutiny of all things Town related but I suspect that if I bet on you doing so, I'd lose heavily. |
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Post by Jack on Jul 15, 2019 14:38:40 GMT 1
Would love to hear Paddy say we won the league tree times in a row.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 15, 2019 14:46:03 GMT 1
The modern world encapsulated in one very short video clip. It's bollocks really; I don't find it funny and I don't find it offensive. It is just another perfect example of why life is getting more shitty by the day. PP don't give two shiney fucks about us. We are a cheap marketing gimmick. All this jokey, matey, laddy crap doesn't wash with me either. I'd rather we had a blank shirt rather than lower our morals and deal with these leeches. I agree in that its not funny. But it's not offensive either.. its just there . Bottom line is we have been struggling for a sponsor and paddy power are now paying us .. must have been a tough decision to get involved with a club whose last 12 months have been so awful. Let's just welcome them on board and see where it takes us surely? On the contrary Ted I don't think it was a tough decision for them. I don't bother with gambling so can't say if PP have been losing or gaining market share over these last few yrs, but the only thing they would have been interested in is their ROI & the fact we'll probably be a focal point next season, certainly more so than we were in the Championship previously. This site probably doesn't have a lot of kids so I can understand the reactions, but gambling sponsorship seems to be taking a foothold in sport, accompanied by 24/7 coverage & the fact you can seemingly bet on virtually any obtuse element of a game nowadays. The video is neither here nor there for me, usual clickbait, laddism that they're know for. Just a shame that we've again sold our soul to an industry that has a dark side that they're always keen to suppress publicly... www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48690743I wasn't over enamoured with OPE & wasn't shocked by them dropping us like a stone once their far eastern betting audience wouldn't be able to see all our games live. Of the 3 promoted sides, it seems that only the Blades have pitched up with a non betting sponsor, although their sponsor is still HQ'd in Australasia & looks like a forex trading outfit. I'm now off to complain to Kirklees about some double yellow lines that don't have the regulated width between them, shoddy bastards... |
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 15, 2019 14:51:40 GMT 1
I understand the nature of sponsorship and marketing. I accept that this is a deal that the club felt they had to take. I get that. I understand it. But I don't like it and I'm just stating my position. Will that make a difference? Will it fuck. Will I stop supporting Town? Will I fuck. Will I abuse Sean Jarvis on Twitter? Will I fuck. Our club represents our community though and we should have a moral line. We do have a moral line. Gambling and alcohol companies are on the right side of it, as they should be IMO. What you mean is, the club should have the same moral line that you have. No, that is not what I meant. Is there anything else you want me to clarify? This is classic DATM, alongside those who highlight our previous dealings with OPE and Casino Red. I don't like it but I know that I cannot change it; however, I am entitled to say that I have misgivings. And, mark my words, there will be lots of folk, supporters and those working within the club, that have issues with this deal. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2019 15:19:36 GMT 1
We do have a moral line. Gambling and alcohol companies are on the right side of it, as they should be IMO. What you mean is, the club should have the same moral line that you have. . Is there anything else you want me to clarify? This is classic DATM, alongside those who highlight our previous dealings with OPE and Casino Red. I don't like it but I know that I cannot change it; however, I am entitled to say that I have misgivings. And, mark my words, there will be lots of folk, supporters and those working within the club, that have issues with this deal. Youre perfectly entitled to say you have misgivings, but thats isn;t what you're doing. Youre saying the club should have a 'moral line'. And by that, that it should be where yours is. How is that NOT what you meant? The club does have a moral line and where they set it doesn;t have a problem with being sponsored by drink or gambling companies. Im not sure either how by doing that, they aren't representing our community when the vast majority will drink and a very large proportion will gamble to some extent, particularly those in the community who follow HTFC. |
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Post by Town Duppy on Jul 15, 2019 15:31:15 GMT 1
I'm too busy getting pissed and gambling to have an opinion on this.
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Post by Gag N Bone Man on Jul 15, 2019 15:32:44 GMT 1
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 15, 2019 15:38:40 GMT 1
No, that is not what I meant. Is there anything else you want me to clarify? This is classic DATM, alongside those who highlight our previous dealings with OPE and Casino Red. I don't like it but I know that I cannot change it; however, I am entitled to say that I have misgivings. And, mark my words, there will be lots of folk, supporters and those working within the club, that have issues with this deal. Youre perfectly entitled to say you have misgivings, but thats isn;t what you're doing. Youre saying the club should have a 'moral line'. And by that, that it should be where yours is. How is that NOT what you meant? The club does have a moral line and where they set it doesn;t have a problem with being sponsored by drink or gambling companies. Im not sure either how by doing that, they aren't representing our community when the vast majority will drink and a very large proportion will gamble to some extent, particularly those in the community who follow HTFC. It's the kids Slapps, the early teens & upwards. Easily influenced by social media & with having the means of one click transactions. The only difference is that you can consume gambling by that single click, but you can't consume alcohol in the same way. I would imagine that alcohol sponsorship is very much the poor relation in sports sponsorships nowadays. I appreciate you weren't being flippant with the comment in bold, but not sure how much of a problem you realise some of this shit is... |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 15, 2019 15:39:41 GMT 1
See my response to Slapps - totally different consumer models & markets... Click a bet - Yes. Click a drink - No. |
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Post by 4 head on Jul 15, 2019 15:45:01 GMT 1
In response to that... 'not great, obviously'. However it would be awfully painstaking to moan about it every day until the name is changed. People are entitled to be unhappy about the new shirt sponsor without having every aspect of their morals questioned. I'm glad that some people have raised their concerns about this and it's good to have discussions about the club's activity. |
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 15, 2019 15:49:24 GMT 1
No, that is not what I meant. Is there anything else you want me to clarify? This is classic DATM, alongside those who highlight our previous dealings with OPE and Casino Red. I don't like it but I know that I cannot change it; however, I am entitled to say that I have misgivings. And, mark my words, there will be lots of folk, supporters and those working within the club, that have issues with this deal. Youre perfectly entitled to say you have misgivings, but thats isn;t what you're doing. Youre saying the club should have a 'moral line'. And by that, that it should be where yours is. How is that NOT what you meant? The club does have a moral line and where they set it doesn;t have a problem with being sponsored by drink or gambling companies. Im not sure either how by doing that, they aren't representing our community when the vast majority will drink and a very large proportion will gamble to some extent, particularly those in the community who follow HTFC. I can see where this is going Slapps! Good try though but I'm not going to get into a tit for tat exchange on what I meant. You know where I stand and I know where you stand. The 'right' is probably somewhere in the middle. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 15, 2019 15:55:42 GMT 1
In response to that... 'not great, obviously'. However it would be awfully painstaking to moan about it every day until the name is changed. People are entitled to be unhappy about the new shirt sponsor without having every aspect of their morals questioned. I'm glad that some people have raised their concerns about this and it's good to have discussions about the club's activity. Not sure where we would start if we were only considering ethical sponsors . They are probably few n far between |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 15, 2019 16:05:14 GMT 1
In response to that... 'not great, obviously'. However it would be awfully painstaking to moan about it every day until the name is changed. People are entitled to be unhappy about the new shirt sponsor without having every aspect of their morals questioned. I'm glad that some people have raised their concerns about this and it's good to have discussions about the club's activity. My biggest issue with it is that the stuff the ground is named after is shite |
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Post by exeter2terrier on Jul 15, 2019 16:07:38 GMT 1
If anyone is at the Phil Hodgkinson Q & A tonight I would love to know what he thinks of this video. Absolute disrespect to the town and club in my opinion, why does it need to be made into a joke? ‘Town are shit ho ho ho’ so don’t effing sponsor us then! 😡 they should show us some respect being our sponsor, if they aren’t proud to sponsor us then why bother. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 16:18:52 GMT 1
If anyone is at the Phil Hodgkinson Q & A tonight I would love to know what he thinks of this video. Absolute disrespect to the town and club in my opinion, why does it need to be made into a joke? ‘Town are shit ho ho ho’ so don’t effing sponsor us then! 😡 they should show us some respect being our sponsor, if they aren’t proud to sponsor us then why bother.
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Post by Town Duppy on Jul 15, 2019 16:18:54 GMT 1
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 15, 2019 16:19:00 GMT 1
SJ has retweeted it so from that you can probably take: he knew about it, he’s happy with it and in turn you can assume the club as a whole are happy with it...
We should take it for what it is: PP doing what they normally do and taking the p**s. This will be one of many; I expect we will have to get used to it but the exposure we will get will be immense here at home. Far more than OPE gave us.
I for one think it’s very funny!
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Post by townatheart on Jul 15, 2019 16:19:18 GMT 1
In response to that... 'not great, obviously'. However it would be awfully painstaking to moan about it every day until the name is changed. People are entitled to be unhappy about the new shirt sponsor without having every aspect of their morals questioned. I'm glad that some people have raised their concerns about this and it's good to have discussions about the club's activity. Well, I suspect that you don't spend much time on DATM   Which is definitely not a criticism. |
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