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Post by townrwe on Aug 14, 2019 8:44:47 GMT 1
Post match... I can understand why the fans are disappointed Its about winning football matches  wow. . Deluded. Sad thing is, hes not even 100% right in saying that. If we look superb, sharp and have a clear identity then most fans would be happy with a win now and again. Problem is we look non of the above and are not winning. |
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Post by detox on Aug 14, 2019 8:48:50 GMT 1
Seems crazy that the team’s fight is in question. They were basically all fringe players so should have needed no more motivation than trying to get a first team spot. Just as likely they didn’t have a clue what they were supposed to be doing It makes you wonder what the manager has said to the players...individually and collectively before the game. Obviously Jan thinks he has a plan,and each player will know that plan, and theri individual role in it. So, is the plan so crap that it's unworkable, or is it the plan is so demanding the players cannot deliver it or is the plan reasonable enough but the players are simply too poor. ?
The lads who have been criticised last night, particularly those who seemed not to be in the game, or out of position, rather than just keep losing the ball, wouldsurely have been keen to 'follow instructions to the letter'...so did they and the plan was just crap ?
Any team with aspirations to succeed have to work as a unit, and the 'team' should be better than the sum of the individual parts...at Town it seems the opposite is true.
I'm struggling to understand how Jan wants the lads to play, how they are supposed to link, tackle back, create openings and get round the back...it seems it's all off the cuff stuff, a bit like local football...you have a broad outline (get it up field, and get on the end of it..) but surely at this level we have more about us than that ?
Anyone who knows about coaching and tactics could maybe try and explain what's happening, what are we trying to achieve and where is it continually going wrong ?
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Post by royrace on Aug 14, 2019 9:06:17 GMT 1
For anyone not old enough to remember the 1970's.... Town win promotion to the top division, start really well and are top of the league after the first couple of games. After losing form we hold it together and manage to hold off the threat of relegation. After failing to invest in the summer we have an awful second season and are eventually relegated after finishing in last place. Our star players move on and we fail to find adequate replacements. We, the fans, console ourselves with a strong belief that we will at least be a big fish in division 2... we expect to be promoted again at the first attempt. Are you with me so far? Do you know what happened after that? Conclusion - we are in for the best part of 10 awful years until Mick Buxton's grandson steps in. Never mind, we will rise again in 46 years from now, just in time for my 113th birthday..... The comparison is uncanny. I'm kind of resigned to it. Didn't we also replace the  on the shirt with a silly little dog............. |
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Post by royrace on Aug 14, 2019 9:14:16 GMT 1
Seems crazy that the team’s fight is in question. They were basically all fringe players so should have needed no more motivation than trying to get a first team spot. Just as likely they didn’t have a clue what they were supposed to be doing It makes you wonder what the manager has said to the players...individually and collectively before the game. Obviously Jan thinks he has a plan,and each player will know that plan, and theri individual role in it. So, is the plan so crap that it's unworkable, or is it the plan is so demanding the players cannot deliver it or is the plan reasonable enough but the players are simply too poor. ?
The lads who have been criticised last night, particularly those who seemed not to be in the game, or out of position, rather than just keep losing the ball, wouldsurely have been keen to 'follow instructions to the letter'...so did they and the plan was just crap ?
Any team with aspirations to succeed have to work as a unit, and the 'team' should be better than the sum of the individual parts...at Town it seems the opposite is true.
I'm struggling to understand how Jan wants the lads to play, how they are supposed to link, tackle back, create openings and get round the back...it seems it's all off the cuff stuff, a bit like local football...you have a broad outline (get it up field, and get on the end of it..) but surely at this level we have more about us than that ?
Anyone who knows about coaching and tactics could maybe try and explain what's happening, what are we trying to achieve and where is it continually going wrong ?
I'm no expert but its been blatantly obvious from day one that Jan is unable to get an effective way of playing across to the players, he is also completely unable to motivate them or build any kid of team spirit. That must be doubly hard when its a squad that doesn't normally play so its no surprise whatsoever that last night looked worse than ever. You couldn't have paid me to watch that, oh so predictable. The team looks like its basically playing with no coaching whatsoever, or what they're being asked to do is completely unworkable. Its looked like that since the start of the year. When you take a player of Mooy's quality out of the equation this team literally has no chance. Have we strung three passes together this season yet? I suspect possession stats will be embarrassing Friday night as may other stats such as goals against. I cant see Friday ending well at all. Maybe Phil is waiting for the Sky cameras before pulling the trigger. We'll be trending on twitter again .... super. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 9:22:55 GMT 1
7 debuts, is this a record? Saw this last night and did wonder myself, however a quick search this morning and no it isn't Obviously our first ever match saw 11 debutants but there have also been 4 other matches where 7 or more debutants started a match 05/09/1908 - South Shields (a) North Eastern League - 11 debutants (First ever game) 02/09/1909 - Bradford City Reserves (a) Midland League - 11 debutants (First game in Midland League) 05/01/1946 - Sheffield Utd (h) FA Cup - 10 debutants (First game after WW2) 03/09/1910 - Bradford PA (a) FL Division 2 - 8 debutants - (First game in Football League) 09/08/2003 - Cambridge (h) FL Division 3 - 8 debutants In addition, there are another 2 games which saw 7 debutants take part (some from the subs bench) 06/08/2016 - Brentford (h) SkyBet Championship - 8 debutants 08/08/2009 - Southend (a) Coca Cola League One - 7 debutants |
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Post by detox on Aug 14, 2019 9:35:45 GMT 1
It makes you wonder what the manager has said to the players...individually and collectively before the game. Obviously Jan thinks he has a plan,and each player will know that plan, and theri individual role in it. So, is the plan so crap that it's unworkable, or is it the plan is so demanding the players cannot deliver it or is the plan reasonable enough but the players are simply too poor. ?
The lads who have been criticised last night, particularly those who seemed not to be in the game, or out of position, rather than just keep losing the ball, wouldsurely have been keen to 'follow instructions to the letter'...so did they and the plan was just crap ?
Any team with aspirations to succeed have to work as a unit, and the 'team' should be better than the sum of the individual parts...at Town it seems the opposite is true.
I'm struggling to understand how Jan wants the lads to play, how they are supposed to link, tackle back, create openings and get round the back...it seems it's all off the cuff stuff, a bit like local football...you have a broad outline (get it up field, and get on the end of it..) but surely at this level we have more about us than that ?
Anyone who knows about coaching and tactics could maybe try and explain what's happening, what are we trying to achieve and where is it continually going wrong ?
I'm no expert but its been blatantly obvious from day one that Jan is unable to get an effective way of playing across to the players, he is also completely unable to motivate them or build any kid of team spirit. That must be doubly hard when its a squad that doesn't normally play so its no surprise whatsoever that last night looked worse than ever. You couldn't have paid me to watch that, oh so predictable. The team looks like its basically playing with no coaching whatsoever, or what they're being asked to do is completely unworkable. Its looked like that since the start of the year. When you take a player of Mooy's quality out of the equation this team literally has no chance. Have we strung three passes together this season yet? I suspect possession stats will be embarrassing Friday night as may other stats such as goals against. I cant see Friday ending well at all. Maybe Phil is waiting for the Sky cameras before pulling the trigger. We'll be trending on twitter again .... super. I was maybe overly optimistic when jan said he wanted us to be more attack minded, particularly after DW's rather wearisome football...We'll get more players in the box, get the ball in earlier, jan said...Great,I thought...then I watched the QPR game on a live feed ..watched Diakhaby receive long balls, fly down the wing, get near the box, look up......no fucker there !..The camera panned back and the nearest player was Hogg who hadjust crossed the half way line and some geezer far away on the opposite wing...Grant might have been just outside the box, with 6 defenders....
We can't have a plan that relies on pacey wingers if nobody is fit/quick enough to get up in support...You watch almost every other team that's on TV and they've 4, 5 players in the opponents box from a breakaway.... and that includes PL, Championship and leagues 1 and 2...We've never done that, never had enough players up supporting attacks...Maybe 4-2--3-1 is to blame, 6 at the back, 2 out wide, one the pegs, one with the ball...only leaves one more... Jan plays 4-3-3 but one of this middle 3 is deep, so 5 at the back, still 2 out wide..the keeoer and the man with the ball so that's should leave 2 to support the attack...It's not enough, we need pace and we need fit players..players need to be more alert, better positioned, and when they get up top have the ability to shoot on target...and not straight at the keeper orinto the stands... we had 22 attempts on goal last night, 22....and 16 were off target..that's really poor...
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 14, 2019 9:56:03 GMT 1
What the hell must Deano think. It’s disgusting what JS is doing cant believe it ! Well he employed him 🤔 |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 14, 2019 10:02:03 GMT 1
The comparison is uncanny. I'm kind of resigned to it. Didn't we also replace the on the shirt with a silly little dog............. Slightly before my time but didn't we go from having no badge on the shirt to having the terrier on for the promotion season, rather than it being the badges fault we went down like it was last season, apparently 😉 |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 14, 2019 10:10:32 GMT 1
What the hell must Deano think. It’s disgusting what JS is doing cant believe it ! Well he employed him 🤔 So what. He didn’t know he would be absolutely dog do do |
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Post by irverino on Aug 14, 2019 10:43:15 GMT 1
So what. He didn’t know he would be absolutely dog do do Hurry up & start Fulham MT......Jan needs all the datm help to pick a winning team! |
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 14, 2019 10:49:26 GMT 1
So what. He didn’t know he would be absolutely dog do do Simply pointing out he isn't entirely blameless for the current shitshow |
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Post by diceman on Aug 14, 2019 11:44:07 GMT 1
Young players hung out to dry by the manager. Everyone expected changes, but that was pretty much a youth team. And he has the gaul to say he protects his young players. I've had enough of this guy now, he needs to go. And yet if he said the players did well etc you'd be saying how deluded he was. It was a bad performance from the sounds of it. There was no fight. That youth team is our 2nd team. That's how thin our squad is. He can't do anything about that when players are sold from under him. But anything to give the guy another bash I guess. I was very angry last night and didn't really make my point clearly. It wasn't the selection in its self. I did feel there were too many young ones in the starting line up but we have the players we have. It's those post match comments. He didn't need to defend the performance. But he should have taken responsibility for it. Not point at a bunch of young lads and pass the blame. That's poor management. It's the first time I've called for him to be sacked. I think he was sold short by the board and put in a bad position. But he has failed to manage the situation and has looked to put himself before the team. For me that is simply unacceptable. |
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Post by BlueValour on Aug 14, 2019 16:41:53 GMT 1
What the hell must Deano think. It’s disgusting what JS is doing cant believe it ! Dean is most probably just happy he’s got his money back and didn’t have to shell out on a Fat Sam up to the end of last season. Actually, I think this is entirely unfair. There is plenty that Dean has done that I would criticise him for but his heart is with the club and I am sure that he is not happy with what is happening with the team. |
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Post by mib150 on Aug 14, 2019 16:43:23 GMT 1
For me we win with our strongest team and lose if, as expected, we put out a second string. Are you some sort of sidekick? |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 14, 2019 18:24:45 GMT 1
So what. He didn’t know he would be absolutely dog do do And he cant have known most of the BIG MONEY top flight signings would seriously struggle to command a place in a lower league team |
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wow. . Deluded.
on the shirt with a silly little dog.............
