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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 14, 2020 22:36:29 GMT 1
The year we went up, he did actually invest more than in previous years after Wagner had instilled some confidence that he knew what he was doing the year before. I sense that this season is very much a survive and regroup season and then have a few seasons seasons where we should be able to establish ourselves. But survival and reducing the big earners from the books is not as simple as it is in a computer game. But it also shouldn't have been anywhere near as difficult as we have made it We came down with the smallest wage bill relative to parachute payments in the history of the Premier League thanks to loads being out of contract and the wage reduction across the whole squad. We were only really left with 5 or 6 really high earners (by our standards) and one them, Mooy, went out on loan with his full wages being covered. In normal circumstances, a club in such a position should have been well placed to invest and make a good go of bouncing straight back. Instead we were hamstrung by Dean recalling his loans over a very short period and now it's very much in the balance as to whether we'll stay up On that note, and not saying I support this way of thinking, but I think we've seen why most teams don't insist on relegation clauses. Yes we would have had a wage bill 40% higher but I don't think its beyond the realms of possibility to think that if the wages were still the same, we might well be getting a tune out of Kongolo/Diakhaby/Mbenza/Pritchard and that maybe some of Mooy/Billing/Zanka/Lossl/Lowe might still be here and happy enough. That could have been one hell of a team in this league, with the right manager (not Siewert!) I think it probably also had a massive effect on who we could sign in the first place. Most teams that have come down recently have retained most of their stars, whereas literally anyone of note couldn't wait to get out of here even before the last season was finished. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 22:48:20 GMT 1
We are currently two places lower than we were the day we appointed David Wagner. It’s been a spectacular rise and fall, it’s such a shame we seemingly have nothing to show for it.
Still, what price memories?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 2:52:43 GMT 1
Parachutes aren’t intended to create a huge transfer budget and drive expectation of a promotion push, they’re to aid in the transition of a club from EPL to EFL income streams that is in the meantime carrying committed costs such as players on contracts that EFL incomes alone would otherwise have no chance of meeting. Ah, I see. So when Powell and others connected to the club stated that we couldn't compete with Parachute Payment clubs in the Championship in the days before Wagner, they meant we couldn't compete with clubs that were "transitioning from EPL to EFL income streams while carrying committed costs such as players on contracts that EFL incomes alone would otherwise have no chance of meeting"? No. It’s as simple as Powell says....we could t compete with clubs who were transitioning so had the finances to carry Premier League standard players for a couple of years. That we signed pretty shit players and employed and employ managers who couldn’t get them to put a shift in outside of the Premier League and gave out contracts that encouraged this lack of motivationis a failing of Huddersfield Town only, nothing to do with the general concept of parachute payment clubs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 8:53:15 GMT 1
The year we went up, he did actually invest more than in previous years after Wagner had instilled some confidence that he knew what he was doing the year before. I sense that this season is very much a survive and regroup season and then have a few seasons seasons where we should be able to establish ourselves. But survival and reducing the big earners from the books is not as simple as it is in a computer game. But it also shouldn't have been anywhere near as difficult as we have made it We came down with the smallest wage bill relative to parachute payments in the history of the Premier League thanks to loads being out of contract and the wage reduction across the whole squad. We were only really left with 5 or 6 really high earners (by our standards) and one them, Mooy, went out on loan with his full wages being covered. In normal circumstances, a club in such a position should have been well placed to invest and make a good go of bouncing straight back. Instead we were hamstrung by Dean recalling his loans over a very short period and now it's very much in the balance as to whether we'll stay up EXACTLY Take a medal We got rid of EVERYONE Only players remaining are that were signed in the prem Mounie, Diabenza, Pritch, Kongolo and ALL will have relgation wage reduction clauses Shchind, kachunga, hogg etc again will have wage reduction clauses. Wagner 50k a week - gone Mooy - Gone Billing, smith, vlp, loewe = 25m !!!!! ... plus the 60m parachute payments ... our wage bill won't even be that big, we've netted a positive 25m in transfer fees this summer we made a net profit both seasons in the EPL by some distance yet we are skint |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 9:13:49 GMT 1
But it also shouldn't have been anywhere near as difficult as we have made it We came down with the smallest wage bill relative to parachute payments in the history of the Premier League thanks to loads being out of contract and the wage reduction across the whole squad. We were only really left with 5 or 6 really high earners (by our standards) and one them, Mooy, went out on loan with his full wages being covered. In normal circumstances, a club in such a position should have been well placed to invest and make a good go of bouncing straight back. Instead we were hamstrung by Dean recalling his loans over a very short period and now it's very much in the balance as to whether we'll stay up EXACTLY Take a medal We got rid of EVERYONE Only players remaining are that were signed in the prem Mounie, Diabenza, Pritch, Kongolo and ALL will have relgation wage reduction clauses Shchind, kachunga, hogg etc again will have wage reduction clauses. Wagner 50k a week - gone Mooy - Gone Billing, smith, vlp, loewe = 25m !!!!! ... plus the 60m parachute payments ... our wage bill won't even be that big, we've netted a positive 25m in transfer fees this summer we made a net profit both seasons in the EPL by some distance yet we are skint Apart from you and others not in the know who says we are 'skint'? |
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Post by royrace on Jan 15, 2020 9:43:06 GMT 1
But it also shouldn't have been anywhere near as difficult as we have made it We came down with the smallest wage bill relative to parachute payments in the history of the Premier League thanks to loads being out of contract and the wage reduction across the whole squad. We were only really left with 5 or 6 really high earners (by our standards) and one them, Mooy, went out on loan with his full wages being covered. In normal circumstances, a club in such a position should have been well placed to invest and make a good go of bouncing straight back. Instead we were hamstrung by Dean recalling his loans over a very short period and now it's very much in the balance as to whether we'll stay up On that note, and not saying I support this way of thinking, but I think we've seen why most teams don't insist on relegation clauses. Yes we would have had a wage bill 40% higher but I don't think its beyond the realms of possibility to think that if the wages were still the same, we might well be getting a tune out of Kongolo/Diakhaby/Mbenza/Pritchard and that maybe some of Mooy/Billing/Zanka/Lossl/Lowe might still be here and happy enough. That could have been one hell of a team in this league, with the right manager (not Siewert!) I think it probably also had a massive effect on who we could sign in the first place. Most teams that have come down recently have retained most of their stars, whereas literally anyone of note couldn't wait to get out of here even before the last season was finished. The club basically forced the mass exodus by openly talking about an overhaul. There's no wonder players resolved to leave asap,, you also had Siewert, so obviously totally out of his depth, advising the club and lowering morale further with his disastrous people management skills. Seemed crazy way to run a club at the time and so it's proven. It seems to me the whole strategy was devised in order to facilitate Deans exit strategy and sale to Phil which needed £50M to fund it. They got every single footballing decision wrong, as they had for the last year and that's why we're in such a mess. If Phil hadn't have got the cowleys on board I think relegation would be a certainty. I still struggle to see how they got everything so terribly wrong and made such naive decisions but I reckon every decision made in the last two years or so was motivated by the takeover plans. I'd loved to know if there were genuine other options that wouldn't have been so easy but would have involved the £50M coming from the purchasing party rather than the club's parachute payments. Seems the cowleys have given the club some home truths so hopefully they're no longer labouring under the illusion this was Wagner's fault and are prepared to take full responsibility for this monumental fuck up. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards |
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Post by Mastercracker on Jan 15, 2020 10:20:59 GMT 1
On that note, and not saying I support this way of thinking, but I think we've seen why most teams don't insist on relegation clauses. Yes we would have had a wage bill 40% higher but I don't think its beyond the realms of possibility to think that if the wages were still the same, we might well be getting a tune out of Kongolo/Diakhaby/Mbenza/Pritchard and that maybe some of Mooy/Billing/Zanka/Lossl/Lowe might still be here and happy enough. That could have been one hell of a team in this league, with the right manager (not Siewert!) I think it probably also had a massive effect on who we could sign in the first place. Most teams that have come down recently have retained most of their stars, whereas literally anyone of note couldn't wait to get out of here even before the last season was finished. The club basically forced the mass exodus by openly talking about an overhaul. There's no wonder players resolved to leave asap,, you also had Siewert, so obviously totally out of his depth, advising the club and lowering morale further with his disastrous people management skills. Seemed crazy way to run a club at the time and so it's proven. It seems to me the whole strategy was devised in order to facilitate Deans exit strategy and sale to Phil which needed £50M to fund it. They got every single footballing decision wrong, as they had for the last year and that's why we're in such a mess. If Phil hadn't have got the cowleys on board I think relegation would be a certainty. I still struggle to see how they got everything so terribly wrong and made such naive decisions but I reckon every decision made in the last two years or so was motivated by the takeover plans. I'd loved to know if there were genuine other options that wouldn't have been so easy but would have involved the £50M coming from the purchasing party rather than the club's parachute payments. Seems the cowleys have given the club some home truths so hopefully they're no longer labouring under the illusion this was Wagner's fault and are prepared to take full responsibility for this monumental fuck up. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Yeah all we've heard is don't want to play in the championship...its just a smokescreen. Not much of this seemed to happen at Stoke/WBA/Villa/Newcastle etc. Kongolo seems to be off to Fulham, obviously for money. Our whole rhetoric was that an era had ended, not that we were ready to have another go. If Jan had gone on another month we'd already be down. |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 15, 2020 10:28:36 GMT 1
Where's this premier league brass gone then?
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 20:32:16 GMT 1
When town got promoted, and over those 2 seasons i was lead to believe they received
A very well publicised near £200 million for winning the play off final
2 seasons of very near full house gate money 20,000 plus
2 seasons tv money from sky etc
2 seasons advertising money which included shirt sponsorship etc etc
Then there were the full parachute payments which i believe are paid in 3 parts.
The above is a hell of amount of income
Plus other income not mentioned above
INTERESTING FOR SOMEONE IN THE KNOW TO WORK OUT THE ABOVE TOTAL THEN DO AN OUTGOINGS
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Jan 16, 2020 20:35:30 GMT 1
Tiny crowds though. And cheap tickets, so forget about the full stadium.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 16, 2020 20:37:59 GMT 1
Fuck me, you still think we got £200m for winning the Play Off Final itself.
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Post by space hardware on Jan 16, 2020 20:38:47 GMT 1
Fuck me, you still think we got £200m for winning the Play Off Final itself. I know 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 20:43:36 GMT 1
Fuck me, you still think we got £200m for winning the Play Off Final itself. I know 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ It was reported by the media that winning the play off final was the richest ever prize in sporting history and £ 200 million was mentioned to the winning team This figure was not broken down to how they get that total and never said it was just winning the final " ITSELF " but to me was a bit misleading |
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Post by detox on Jan 16, 2020 20:44:25 GMT 1
When town got promoted, and over those 2 seasons i was lead to believe they received A very well publicised near £200 million for winning the play off final 2 seasons of very near full house gate money 20,000 plus 2 seasons tv money from sky etc 2 seasons advertising money which included shirt sponsorship etc etc Then there were the full parachute payments which i believe are paid in 3 parts. The above is a hell of amount of income Plus other income not mentioned above INTERESTING FOR SOMEONE IN THE KNOW TO WORK OUT THE ABOVE TOTAL THEN DO AN OUTGOINGS approx 24,000 av gate x £249 = £6m per season for gate receipts...deduct expenses (ground rental, police, stewards, staffing)..
Sky TV appearance money £10m per season ..
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 16, 2020 21:02:37 GMT 1
It was reported by the media that winning the play off final was the richest ever prize in sporting history and £ 200 million was mentioned to the winning team by the media Thats what we the layman were told The £200m approx. was to include all the Sky tv money for being in the PL, increased commercial revenue etc plus guaranteed parachute payments for two seasons should we be relegated after one season. The fact that we stayed up meant that we received an extra year's Sky money plus we're guaranteed another £20m+ for a third year's parachute payments. The £200m was not the prize money for winning the play off final! |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 21:04:25 GMT 1
It was reported by the media that winning the play off final was the richest ever prize in sporting history and £ 200 million was mentioned to the winning team by the media Thats what we the layman were told The £200m approx. was to include all the Sky tv money for being in the PL, increased commercial revenue etc plus guaranteed parachute payments for two seasons should we be relegated after one season. The fact that we stayed up meant that we received an extra year's Sky money plus we're guaranteed another £20m+ for a third year's parachute payments. The £200m was not the prize money for winning the play off final! I didnt say it was thus whats mentioned underneath to try and get to that total ie gate tv, advertising money etc etc |
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Post by King Curtis on Jan 16, 2020 21:23:04 GMT 1
When town got promoted, and over those 2 seasons i was lead to believe they received A very well publicised near £200 million for winning the play off final 2 seasons of very near full house gate money 20,000 plus 2 seasons tv money from sky etc 2 seasons advertising money which included shirt sponsorship etc etc Then there were the full parachute payments which i believe are paid in 3 parts. The above is a hell of amount of income Plus other income not mentioned above INTERESTING FOR SOMEONE IN THE KNOW TO WORK OUT THE ABOVE TOTAL THEN DO AN OUTGOINGS Ruddy heck pal. The £200m quoted refers to the total amount expected to be received over the next number of years as a result of joining the greedy league. Parachute payments and all that comes with the PL included. You really think the EFL gave us £200m for winning at Wembley?!?  |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 21:23:27 GMT 1
It was reported by the media that winning the play off final was the richest ever prize in sporting history and £ 200 million was mentioned to the winning team by the media Thats what we the layman were told The £200m approx. was to include all the Sky tv money for being in the PL, increased commercial revenue etc plus guaranteed parachute payments for two seasons should we be relegated after one season. The fact that we stayed up meant that we received an extra year's Sky money plus we're guaranteed another £20m+ for a third year's parachute payments. The £200m was not the prize money for winning the play off final! It might be easier to post that every day....some people don't appear to be able to grasp it! |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 21:28:43 GMT 1
The £200m approx. was to include all the Sky tv money for being in the PL, increased commercial revenue etc plus guaranteed parachute payments for two seasons should we be relegated after one season. The fact that we stayed up meant that we received an extra year's Sky money plus we're guaranteed another £20m+ for a third year's parachute payments. The £200m was not the prize money for winning the play off final! It might be easier to post that every day....some people don't appear to be able to grasp it! I DIDNT SAY WE RECEIVED £200 MILLION " JUST FOR WINNING " THE PLAY OFF FINAL AS LOOK WHAT I WROTE UNDERNEATH TO TRY AND JUSTIFY THAT TOTAL IE GATE MONEY ,TV MONEY AND OTHERS I WROTE TO TRY AND COME TO THAT £200 MILLION TOTAL WHAT I WAS TRYING TO WORK OUT WAS WHAT THE TOTAL CAME TO THAT I MENTIONED IE GATE MONEY , TV MONEY SPONSORSHIP MONEY IN OTHER WORDS DID IT COME TO £200 MILLION THAT WAS PRE MENTIONED BY THE MEDIA |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 21:33:32 GMT 1
Equally important: what happened to the £100m we won when we triumphed in the League 1 playoff final and the £50m for beating Mansfield in Cardiff?!?
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 16, 2020 21:36:16 GMT 1
It might be easier to post that every day....some people don't appear to be able to grasp it! I DIDNT SAY WE RECEIVED £200 MILLION " JUST FOR WINNING " THE PLAY OFF FINAL AS LOOK WHAT I WROTE UNDERNEATH TO TRY AND JUSTIFY THAT TOTAL IE GATE MONEY ,TV MONEY AND OTHERS I WROTE TO TRY AND COME TO THAT £200 MILLION TOTAL Might be worth tweaking how you've laid your point out in your original post, because it does not come across like that. |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 21:44:15 GMT 1
I DIDNT SAY WE RECEIVED £200 MILLION " JUST FOR WINNING " THE PLAY OFF FINAL AS LOOK WHAT I WROTE UNDERNEATH TO TRY AND JUSTIFY THAT TOTAL IE GATE MONEY ,TV MONEY AND OTHERS I WROTE TO TRY AND COME TO THAT £200 MILLION TOTAL Might be worth tweaking how you've laid your point out in your original post, because it does not come across like that. And stop shouting?  |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 21:44:39 GMT 1
I DIDNT SAY WE RECEIVED £200 MILLION " JUST FOR WINNING " THE PLAY OFF FINAL AS LOOK WHAT I WROTE UNDERNEATH TO TRY AND JUSTIFY THAT TOTAL IE GATE MONEY ,TV MONEY AND OTHERS I WROTE TO TRY AND COME TO THAT £200 MILLION TOTAL Might be worth tweaking how you've laid your point out in your original post, because it does not come across like that. Simply mentioned on the first line what we were said to receive by the media for winning the play offs ie £200 million Underneath wrote the income as i know ie tv money , sponsorship money etc etc etc which i was trying to find out if it came to 200 million from those on this site but what a waste of time. Why not try to answer my question |
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 21:49:37 GMT 1
Might be worth tweaking how you've laid your point out in your original post, because it does not come across like that. Simply mentioned on the first line what we were said to receive by the media for winning the play offs ie £200 million Underneath wrote the income as i know ie tv money , sponsorship money etc etc etc which i was trying to find out if it came to 200 million from those on this site but what a waste of time[/quote] Welcome to DATM!  |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 16, 2020 21:56:28 GMT 1
Might be worth tweaking how you've laid your point out in your original post, because it does not come across like that. Simply mentioned on the first line what we were said to receive by the media for winning the play offs ie £200 million Underneath wrote the income as i know ie tv money , sponsorship money etc etc etc which i was trying to find out if it came to 200 million from those on this site but what a waste of time. Why not try to answer my question Was actually trying to be helpful. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 22:07:28 GMT 1
Simply mentioned on the first line what we were said to receive by the media for winning the play offs ie £200 million Underneath wrote the income as i know ie tv money , sponsorship money etc etc etc which i was trying to find out if it came to 200 million from those on this site but what a waste of time. Why not try to answer my question Was actually trying to be helpful. Thanks mate but sadly nobody answered my original question as to how much the total income came to from premier league 2 seasons ,sponsorship ,TV ,, advertising, gate receipts,plus parachute payments . Was it anywhere near the £200 million mentioned by the media for winning the play offs |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 16, 2020 22:10:32 GMT 1
Might be worth tweaking how you've laid your point out in your original post, because it does not come across like that. Simply mentioned on the first line what we were said to receive by the media for winning the play offs ie £200 million Underneath wrote the income as i know ie tv money , sponsorship money etc etc etc which i was trying to find out if it came to 200 million from those on this site but what a waste of time. Why not try to answer my question The Accounts to the year ending June 2018 (1st season in the PL) showed a total turnover of £125.2m (£15.8m in promotion season) with an operating profit of £23m approx. Accounts for last season haven't been published yet but I'd expect the turnover to be slightly less. This would suggest an increased turnover total for the two PL seasons of approx. £200/220m on what it was in the Championship. We then get parachute payments totalling approx. £90m paid over three years, unless we're promoted again during that period. |
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 16, 2020 22:12:24 GMT 1
Simply mentioned on the first line what we were said to receive by the media for winning the play offs ie £200 million Underneath wrote the income as i know ie tv money , sponsorship money etc etc etc which i was trying to find out if it came to 200 million from those on this site but what a waste of time. Why not try to answer my question The Accounts to the year ending June 2018 (1st season in the PL) showed a total turnover of £125.2m (£15.8m in promotion season) with an operating profit of £23m approx. Accounts for last season haven't been published yet but I'd expect the turnover to be slightly less. This would suggest an increased turnover total for the two PL seasons of approx. £200/220m on what it was in the Championship. We then get parachute payments totalling approx. £90m paid over three years, unless we're promoted again during that period. Thank you very much Frankiesleftpeg as got there in the end |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jan 16, 2020 23:06:00 GMT 1
When town got promoted, and over those 2 seasons i was lead to believe they received A very well publicised near £200 million for winning the play off final 2 seasons of very near full house gate money 20,000 plus 2 seasons tv money from sky etc 2 seasons advertising money which included shirt sponsorship etc etc Then there were the full parachute payments which i believe are paid in 3 parts. The above is a hell of amount of income Plus other income not mentioned above INTERESTING FOR SOMEONE IN THE KNOW TO WORK OUT THE ABOVE TOTAL THEN DO AN OUTGOINGS already done, companies house will give you a flavour |
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Post by artysid on Jan 17, 2020 1:33:49 GMT 1
When town got promoted, and over those 2 seasons i was lead to believe they received A very well publicised near £200 million for winning the play off final2 seasons of very near full house gate money 20,000 plus 2 seasons tv money from sky etc 2 seasons advertising money which included shirt sponsorship etc etc Then there were the full parachute payments which i believe are paid in 3 parts. The above is a hell of amount of income Plus other income not mentioned above INTERESTING FOR SOMEONE IN THE KNOW TO WORK OUT THE ABOVE TOTAL THEN DO AN OUTGOINGS I don't think you get a massive lump sum for winning the actual game, I always thought it's more an estimate of the amount you're likely to get from tv rights etc for being in the Premier league |
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