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Post by bluestripe on Mar 14, 2020 20:01:18 GMT 1
Look at the the state of this www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51889682 It’s unfair to relegate teams from the PL with 9 or 10 games to go BUT it’s Ok to promote teams from the championship with 9 games to go. Tw*t! and they're happy for Fulham, Nottm etc to have no opportunity to win promotion. Talk about moving the goalposts. Stranger things have happened, but one can imagine teams in the bottom positions in whichever league suddenly becoming blasé about infection control if they thought they might have to play again.
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Post by luddendenterrier on Mar 14, 2020 20:15:02 GMT 1
Reinstate Bury anyone?
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Mar 14, 2020 20:22:49 GMT 1
If the season is null and void. Do we get an extra year of parachute payments?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Mar 14, 2020 20:23:14 GMT 1
Option 1 isn't really an option. Aston villa, for example, have played 1 game less than their relegation rivals so to end the season now & award promotion & relegation isn't realistic. Some teams have played more home games than others aswell. If the season gets back underway before June (which would be unlikely imo) what happens if some teams have been hit hard by the virus & unable to train, etc? Some are suggesting finishing the season after June but I don't see how that could happen either? The teams would be very different with loans & contracts expiring.
The only realistic option is to make the season null & void if the season doesn't get back underway early April.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 20:28:05 GMT 1
What happened last time when the season was abandoned early in 1939-1940 and then reconvened after the wartime league...did things go back to where they’d been at start of 39 season or did the wartime years influence the outcome anywhere??
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Post by boooothy on Mar 14, 2020 20:31:58 GMT 1
It’s fair to finish to season but it’s going to be impossible.
So that leaves scrapping the whole season, it’s the only option. Leeds getting bummed is the one good thing about this mess.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Mar 14, 2020 21:32:12 GMT 1
What happened last time when the season was abandoned early in 1939-1940 and then reconvened after the wartime league...did things go back to where they’d been at start of 39 season or did the wartime years influence the outcome anywhere?? MT will have the answer for that I'm sure
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Post by Wings of a Duff on Mar 14, 2020 21:51:53 GMT 1
The cancelling of games was against government advice. The best option is for the FA, EFL and EPL to issue a statement at 9am on Monday saying that the postponement of domestic games was a mistake, we're sorry, all games are back on with this weekend's games played in empty midweek slots. Advice for those in vulnerable positions to stay away- if they don't and then contract the virus it's on them.
Large gatherings are the best way to build "herd immunity" while doing our best to protect the vulnerable.
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Post by towntastic on Mar 14, 2020 22:19:48 GMT 1
Wait a few weeks to see how the land lies and if we can't get back underway then call the season null and void but carry over existing point totals to the start of the new season. Suspend the cups and stupid breaks and it could all get back on track.
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Post by tvor on Mar 14, 2020 22:43:19 GMT 1
What happened last time when the season was abandoned early in 1939-1940 and then reconvened after the wartime league...did things go back to where they’d been at start of 39 season or did the wartime years influence the outcome anywhere?? WWII kicked off in Sept and WWI kicked off in August so way too early to be an issue. Any teams at the top of the table would have recognised the national interest anyway and wouldn’t have banged on about how they deserved to go up/crowned champions etc cos they were top.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Mar 14, 2020 22:49:26 GMT 1
Abandon the season, but make next season a double whammy with every team starting on the points they are now. So Liverpool start next season with a 25 point advantage and Leeds have plenty of time to chuck it all away.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 22:51:15 GMT 1
What happened last time when the season was abandoned early in 1939-1940 and then reconvened after the wartime league...did things go back to where they’d been at start of 39 season or did the wartime years influence the outcome anywhere?? WWII kicked off in Sept and WWI kicked off in August so way too early to be an issue. Any teams at the top of the table would have recognised the national interest anyway and wouldn’t have banged on about how they deserved to go up/crowned champions etc cos they were top. Yes but what actually happened when the competitions were restarted after the “war time leagues” ended...was it all the clubs that had started that earlier brief aborted season starting again, did any of them not reform...it would seem incredible if things were paused for 4 years or whatever and then just restarted pretty much where they’d left off!!
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Post by lochnessterrier on Mar 14, 2020 22:51:52 GMT 1
What happened last time when the season was abandoned early in 1939-1940 and then reconvened after the wartime league...did things go back to where they’d been at start of 39 season or did the wartime years influence the outcome anywhere?? My dad would be able to answer that but sadly no longer with us. Even after 36 years I still miss him.
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Post by tvor on Mar 14, 2020 23:06:43 GMT 1
WWII kicked off in Sept and WWI kicked off in August so way too early to be an issue. Any teams at the top of the table would have recognised the national interest anyway and wouldn’t have banged on about how they deserved to go up/crowned champions etc cos they were top. Yes but what actually happened when the competitions were restarted after the “war time leagues” ended...was it all the clubs that had started that earlier brief aborted season starting again, did any of them not reform...it would seem incredible if things were paused for 4 years or whatever and then just restarted pretty much where they’d left off!! Had to look this up but the fixtures in the top flight after the war (46-7) were played in the same order that they had been planned to have been in 39-40. Man Utd were playing at Maine Road because Old Trafford had been bombed so there were some changes but the teams that had been in the top flight pre-war inc Town were the same. Leeds were relegated at the end of the season so every cloud.....
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Post by ambryboy on Mar 14, 2020 23:41:40 GMT 1
Couldn't the 19/20 and 20/21 seasons be aggregated with the points totals brought forward and the unplayed games subsumed into next season's fixtures? Just an idle thought.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 0:03:03 GMT 1
Best idea I have seen is to start next season on the current points however it still does not allow for the fact that teams have not played the same number of games in some leagues or the quality of the opposition they have played.
Personally I think there is only one real way and that is to abandon the season. I would feel the same even if Town were in the top two although I would obviously be disappointed about it. It has nothing to do with Leeds for me although it would be pretty funny. There is still plenty of time for them to screw it up themselves.
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Post by Wings of a Duff on Mar 15, 2020 1:25:47 GMT 1
If L***s miss out on promotion because of a virus, they'll never bloody shut up about it... it'll be "champions of Europe" all over again...
I can't wait!
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Post by est1908 on Mar 15, 2020 1:29:40 GMT 1
If L***s miss out on promotion because of a virus, they'll never bloody shut up about it... it'll be "champions of Europe" all over again... I can't wait! Champions of Championship,,,,COC....
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Post by alexdire on Mar 15, 2020 8:47:59 GMT 1
All these alternative proposals are pie in the sky in my opinion, you either finish the season in full or cancel it. With the former likely to be impossible, given time constraints.
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Mar 15, 2020 9:13:03 GMT 1
They wouldn't be talking about a 22 team premier League if 2 less fashionable teams like Brentford and Preston were top 2.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 10:17:24 GMT 1
They wouldn't be talking about a 22 team premier League if 2 less fashionable teams like Brentford and Preston were top 2. They would. It’s about not relegating / punishing teams for their position, but rewarding teams. Far more clubs would be agreeable, compared to if teams were punished / relegated for their “not end of season” status. The whole, no relegation and promote the teams in the automatic places is probably the most sensible and workable idea if the season is cancelled (despite Leeds), and would make next season interesting with a mandatory 5 relegations from the EPL to get things back to meet UEFA top flight standards. The extra EPL games could potentially be auctioned as a new TV package which might help with redistributing funds to lower league teams as it would be a one off and no precedent would be being set about increasing the money from the ongoing revenue streams.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 15, 2020 10:21:58 GMT 1
They wouldn't be talking about a 22 team premier League if 2 less fashionable teams like Brentford and Preston were top 2. They would. It’s about not relegating / punishing teams for their position, but rewarding teams. Far more clubs would be agreeable, compared to if teams were punished / relegated for their “not end of season” status. The whole, no relegation and promote the teams in the automatic places is probably the most sensible and workable idea if the season is cancelled (despite Leeds), and would make next season interesting with a mandatory 5 relegations from the EPL to get things back to meet UEFA top flight standards. The extra EPL games could potentially be auctioned as a new TV package which might help with redistributing funds to lower league teams as it would be a one off and no precedent would be being set about increasing the money from the ongoing revenue streams. Even in these extraordinary times I'm still of the opinion that the PL would only ever do the bare minimum in such circumstances. It might not be now, but at some point there will be folk who switch from solving the problem, to subtle ways in which they can strengthen their grip on the money.
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Post by ambryboy on Mar 15, 2020 10:38:10 GMT 1
They wouldn't be talking about a 22 team premier League if 2 less fashionable teams like Brentford and Preston were top 2. They would. It’s about not relegating / punishing teams for their position, but rewarding teams. Far more clubs would be agreeable, compared to if teams were punished / relegated for their “not end of season” status. The whole, no relegation and promote the teams in the automatic places is probably the most sensible and workable idea if the season is cancelled (despite Leeds), and would make next season interesting with a mandatory 5 relegations from the EPL to get things back to meet UEFA top flight standards. The extra EPL games could potentially be auctioned as a new TV package which might help with redistributing funds to lower league teams as it would be a one off and no precedent would be being set about increasing the money from the ongoing revenue streams. At least we would finally get to play Coventry away (whereever that may be) so I'd take that solution despite those twats up the road getting promoted.
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Post by andyeastleake on Mar 15, 2020 10:56:52 GMT 1
I would suggest that season 19/20's games are played to a conclusion with promotion / relegation decided purely on position rather than play offs.
Then (after a very short break) play a shortened 20/21 season (again without play offs) lasting as many games as considered feasible (take the opportunity to cancel the league cup).
To get around teams not playing the same teams as many times adopt at the halfway point (e.g our league 23 games) the Scottish system and split the league in two and you can only finish in your section.
Would possibly penalise some teams NEXT year but at least the rules would be clear at the start of the competition.
Neither allowing the table to stand or becoming void appears fair for THIS season.
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Post by Champers on Mar 15, 2020 11:47:02 GMT 1
They wouldn't be talking about a 22 team premier League if 2 less fashionable teams like Brentford and Preston were top 2. They shouldn't be talking about it anyway. The gap from 1st to 3rd is 7 points and there are 27 points still to play for. Liverpool gave up an 8 point gap to City last season and Man United did the same in 2012. No matter how unlikely anyone thinks it us the top 2 will be caught, it can and it does happen. Mathematically, Birmingham in 16th can still get above Leeds' current 71 point mark, and some people think you can promote the top two in those circumstances?!
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 15, 2020 11:50:07 GMT 1
The fairest system would be to make Leeds suffer the championship again, since we’ve all had to suffer their deluded shit for an eternity. Watch your flags next season Leeds fans, especially those statues.
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Post by rphyorks on Mar 15, 2020 13:11:27 GMT 1
What happened last time when the season was abandoned early in 1939-1940 and then reconvened after the wartime league...did things go back to where they’d been at start of 39 season or did the wartime years influence the outcome anywhere?? WWII kicked off in Sept and WWI kicked off in August so way too early to be an issue. Any teams at the top of the table would have recognised the national interest anyway and wouldn’t have banged on about how they deserved to go up/crowned champions etc cos they were top. So the Germans only started wars during the mid season breaks ?.... and were hoping to get the wars over in a few weeks and back home to a new season....
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 15, 2020 13:21:40 GMT 1
WWII kicked off in Sept and WWI kicked off in August so way too early to be an issue. Any teams at the top of the table would have recognised the national interest anyway and wouldn’t have banged on about how they deserved to go up/crowned champions etc cos they were top. So the Germans only started wars during the mid season breaks ?.... and were hoping to get the wars over in a few weeks and back home to a new season.... The Germans didn't start WW1, Gavarip Princip, did that all on his own, initially it was the Austro Hungarians who were the aggressors.
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Post by impact on Mar 15, 2020 13:30:53 GMT 1
What makes anyone think that the Premier League, which is basically the clubs, would vote in favour of more games when they're already complaining the schedule is too congested? I don't see the 22 team scenario happening at all.
Even if it did, why should the top 2 get promoted? What about those in the play offs, or those just outside? What about Fulham who still have a chance at top 2?
Where possible they will finish the season. The interesting point will be if the season continues after 30th June when all the contracts have an end date.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Mar 15, 2020 13:37:01 GMT 1
Cannot see any solution but to make the season null and void provided as expected the games are unable to be played before June 30th
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