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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 16, 2020 15:27:00 GMT 1
It could be that the 'fairest' and certainly least controversial way out of this is the blend the 2 seasons together. Effectively play a 2019/21 season of 92 games ( in the championship ) spread over 2 years. I think this is the fairest way to do it. I can’t see how anyone could argue with that. I think there’s got to be a deadline of 30th June when this season has to be completed otherwise you’re getting into all sorts of contractual issues. I'd argue with it. What's the point of buying a season ticket to see us enter a 2 season relegation battle
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 16:00:21 GMT 1
It could be that the 'fairest' and certainly least controversial way out of this is the blend the 2 seasons together. Effectively play a 2019/21 season of 92 games ( in the championship ) spread over 2 years. I think this is the fairest way to do it. I can’t see how anyone could argue with that. I think there’s got to be a deadline of 30th June when this season has to be completed otherwise you’re getting into all sorts of contractual issues. That depends on how it works. Would you have a transfer window before resuming, if so then teams could look entirely different by the time we resume. Some players will be out of contract in June and probably already have moves lined up, do they wait even if they would be getting a payrise? I agree that the ideal situation would be to finish this season in some way, just whatever way is suggested, there will always be people against it.
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Post by detox on Mar 16, 2020 16:07:40 GMT 1
I think this is the fairest way to do it. I can’t see how anyone could argue with that. I think there’s got to be a deadline of 30th June when this season has to be completed otherwise you’re getting into all sorts of contractual issues. That depends on how it works. Would you have a transfer window before resuming, if so then teams could look entirely different by the time we resume. Some players will be out of contract in June and probably already have moves lined up, do they wait even if they would be getting a payrise? I agree that the ideal situation would be to finish this season in some way, just whatever way is suggested, there will always be people against it. You mean Town could have over 100 points and not even make the play-offs
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Post by El Mel on Mar 16, 2020 16:16:29 GMT 1
I think this is the fairest way to do it. I can’t see how anyone could argue with that. I think there’s got to be a deadline of 30th June when this season has to be completed otherwise you’re getting into all sorts of contractual issues. I'd argue with it. What's the point of buying a season ticket to see us enter a 2 season relegation battle When haven't we been in a relegation battle?? ;-)
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 16, 2020 16:49:54 GMT 1
I think this is the fairest way to do it. I can’t see how anyone could argue with that. I think there’s got to be a deadline of 30th June when this season has to be completed otherwise you’re getting into all sorts of contractual issues. I'd argue with it. What's the point of buying a season ticket to see us enter a 2 season relegation battle How do you know we wouldn’t be in league 1 next season? You don’t. Therefore you could be better off as at least you’re guaranteed another championship season. Just an idea.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 16, 2020 16:52:51 GMT 1
I think this is the fairest way to do it. I can’t see how anyone could argue with that. I think there’s got to be a deadline of 30th June when this season has to be completed otherwise you’re getting into all sorts of contractual issues. That depends on how it works. Would you have a transfer window before resuming, if so then teams could look entirely different by the time we resume. Some players will be out of contract in June and probably already have moves lined up, do they wait even if they would be getting a payrise? I agree that the ideal situation would be to finish this season in some way, just whatever way is suggested, there will always be people against it. Yes youd just have the normal summer transfer window. A 2 year season with 3 windows in it. Out of all the ideas Ive heard its the one that ticks the most boxes. It gives clubs an tangible advantage/ disadvantage for their efforts for this season moving forward. It gets round the promotion / relegation problems if this season is voided. It gets round the issues around players contracts It still gives fans whove bought their season tickets all the games theyve paid for. Id continue with this seasons FA cup when the games starts again, maybe having the final in October or whenever, but scrap next seasons League cup to lesson fixture congestion of squeezing in the 'missing' games from this season.
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Post by rocky on Mar 16, 2020 16:59:49 GMT 1
I think this is the fairest way to do it. I can’t see how anyone could argue with that. I think there’s got to be a deadline of 30th June when this season has to be completed otherwise you’re getting into all sorts of contractual issues. I'd argue with it. What's the point of buying a season ticket to see us enter a 2 season relegation battle Agreed. This suggestion is like all the others, well intentioned but not thought through and just not practical. That's before all the arguments start from those who lose out. If the season can't be restarted soon (and it seems impossible that it can), then it can't be completed. That being the case it has to be abandoned and next season should start whenever it's possible to do so.
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Post by bogart on Mar 16, 2020 17:04:13 GMT 1
surely the FA will have a say in all this? They govern the rules of the game so they now have to come up with a plan that will satisfy everyone. If teams are promoted and relegated from the situation they find themselves in right now would the relegated sides have a case for legal action against them? Surely fixtures have to be fulfilled totally? Isn't that the whole point of the competitions? It needs a strong hand and decisive decision not in 14 days or 21 days, but right now.
My opinion is obviously that the season is scrubbed and we start again in August (if possible) as the competition has had to be abandoned. You could suggest that this would be a tad unfair on those in the top two of the championship but it would be a hell of a lot fairer for those scrapping for survival at the other end of the table. Any points deductions (i'd give em between 12 and 15) incoming for the Wendies and Derby can then be applied immediately at the beginning of next season.
Sorry but you are dreaming if you think anybody, not least of all the FA, could devise a plan to satisfy EVERYONE😀. Knowing what half-wits they appear to be will probably come up with a solution that satisfies nobody.
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 16, 2020 17:11:25 GMT 1
I'd argue with it. What's the point of buying a season ticket to see us enter a 2 season relegation battle Agreed. This suggestion is like all the others, well intentioned but not thought through and just not practical. That's before all the arguments start from those who lose out. If the season can't be restarted soon (and it seems impossible that it can), then it can't be completed. That being the case it has to be abandoned and next season should start whenever it's possible to do so. That’s a massive contradiction, surely Leeds carrying on where they left off is more beneficial to them than this season being scrapped?
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Post by SN0W on Mar 16, 2020 17:13:30 GMT 1
Start next season with the points you already have from this season, just add to them.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 16, 2020 17:14:08 GMT 1
I'd argue with it. What's the point of buying a season ticket to see us enter a 2 season relegation battle Agreed. This suggestion is like all the others, well intentioned but not thought through and just not practical. That's before all the arguments start from those who lose out. If the season can't be restarted soon (and it seems impossible that it can), then it can't be completed. That being the case it has to be abandoned and next season should start whenever it's possible to do so. Why isn't it practical? And its a damned site better result for those who have lost out than just voiding this season.
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Post by Champers on Mar 16, 2020 17:15:36 GMT 1
Agreed. This suggestion is like all the others, well intentioned but not thought through and just not practical. That's before all the arguments start from those who lose out. If the season can't be restarted soon (and it seems impossible that it can), then it can't be completed. That being the case it has to be abandoned and next season should start whenever it's possible to do so. That’s a massive contradiction, surely Leeds carrying on where they left off is more beneficial to them than this season being scrapped? Why does it have to be beneficial to Leeds? Have they been promoted?
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Post by Champers on Mar 16, 2020 17:19:34 GMT 1
Agreed. This suggestion is like all the others, well intentioned but not thought through and just not practical. That's before all the arguments start from those who lose out. If the season can't be restarted soon (and it seems impossible that it can), then it can't be completed. That being the case it has to be abandoned and next season should start whenever it's possible to do so. Why isn't it practical? And its a damned site better result for those who have lost out than just voiding this season. Damned sight better result for who? You really think I'd buy a SC if I knew we were starting off with a 14 point handicap on the play off positions? Are you actually mental?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 17:26:32 GMT 1
Agreed. This suggestion is like all the others, well intentioned but not thought through and just not practical. That's before all the arguments start from those who lose out. If the season can't be restarted soon (and it seems impossible that it can), then it can't be completed. That being the case it has to be abandoned and next season should start whenever it's possible to do so. Why isn't it practical? And its a damned site better result for those who have lost out than just voiding this season. Not better for us though is it, we essentially start a season 30 points off automatic promotion. OK if the 19/20 season finishes we could get relegated, but we could also stay up and give automatic promotion a real push next season. I'd rather give Leeds the title now than slog it out for another 55 games. I would also guess whatever UEFA says will play a big part. If we do a 92 game season, the PL will have to do 76 but then wouldn't the rest of Europe have to do something similar. I would think UEFA will set a deadline for when the season needs to be finished by. Then it will be down to the national associations what to do if season's cannot be finished. However i doubt they will allow a 2 year season.
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Post by rocky on Mar 16, 2020 19:53:08 GMT 1
Agreed. This suggestion is like all the others, well intentioned but not thought through and just not practical. That's before all the arguments start from those who lose out. If the season can't be restarted soon (and it seems impossible that it can), then it can't be completed. That being the case it has to be abandoned and next season should start whenever it's possible to do so. That’s a massive contradiction, surely Leeds carrying on where they left off is more beneficial to them than this season being scrapped? Not sure I follow you. Where's the contradiction and what have Leeds got to do with what I said? To be clear, I meant completely abandon this season and start off the next one (whenever that is) with all teams on zero points.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 19:56:28 GMT 1
I think this is the fairest way to do it. I can’t see how anyone could argue with that. I think there’s got to be a deadline of 30th June when this season has to be completed otherwise you’re getting into all sorts of contractual issues. I'd argue with it. What's the point of buying a season ticket to see us enter a 2 season relegation battle Well plenty people did just that for the two seasons before this one 🤷♂️🤣
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 16, 2020 20:07:07 GMT 1
That’s a massive contradiction, surely Leeds carrying on where they left off is more beneficial to them than this season being scrapped? Why does it have to be beneficial to Leeds? Have they been promoted? Using them as an example as they’re top of the league, thought that would’ve been obvious?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 20:08:08 GMT 1
Why not use this to reinvigorate the game.
Let’s face it, there is very little chance of the season restarting early April...it’s more than likely over already.
So...start again next year. 20 team EPL just as it is. (Maybe even have voting for relegation and promotion if there’s a desire for that).
Retain the 24 team Championship with its current clubs.
And then...below that is 4 regionalised leagues of 12 teams, being a Division 1 North and South and a Division 2 North and South...you play each other twice at home and twice away.
Totally reinvigorate the lower level of the game, loads more derbys, reduced travel, and likely double the number of clubs involved in promotio pun / relegation battles as opposed to current scenario where the season is more or less over for half the clubs once they’ve got to 50 points.
Ain’t going to happen of course. But I’d love it if football was like this.
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Post by Stavros on Mar 16, 2020 20:09:10 GMT 1
Why isn't it practical? And its a damned site better result for those who have lost out than just voiding this season. Not better for us though is it, we essentially start a season 30 points off automatic promotion. OK if the 19/20 season finishes we could get relegated, but we could also stay up and give automatic promotion a real push next season. I'd rather give Leeds the title now than slog it out for another 55 games. I would also guess whatever UEFA says will play a big part. If we do a 92 game season, the PL will have to do 76 but then wouldn't the rest of Europe have to do something similar. I would think UEFA will set a deadline for when the season needs to be finished by. Then it will be down to the national associations what to do if season's cannot be finished. However i doubt they will allow a 2 year season. Exactly. There are teams who have known their fate for ages and (let's be honest) have been going through the motions, knowing that 'it's all about next year'. QPR, Derby and Reading spring to mind. Why do Leeds matter more than them?
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 16, 2020 20:15:04 GMT 1
That’s a massive contradiction, surely Leeds carrying on where they left off is more beneficial to them than this season being scrapped? Not sure I follow you. Where's the contradiction and what have Leeds got to do with what I said? To be clear, I meant completely abandon this season and start off the next one (whenever that is) with all teams on zero points. Leeds are top so used them as an example. Let’s use West Brom as an example as it’s clear we can’t see past the Leeds hatred. West Brom are currently 6 points clear of Fulham. So surely just carrying on and adding next season’s fixtures to this season’s current tally is better for them than everyone starting again on 0. Which you suggested when saying it’d be better for the season to be scrapped than add to this season’s total!
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Mar 16, 2020 20:20:06 GMT 1
That is the only way to avoid legal action by anyone remotely concerned. If it’s done in the championship it will have to be done everywhere in the elf Could bury be readmitted? Do Bury still exist as a club ? Mean do they have any players, any staff, anything? I think they still exist as an entity but no players, a phew I’d club has set up and has a licence for next season and a squad They have said they would not create a second club if the original was reborn
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Post by mickydombat on Mar 16, 2020 20:23:16 GMT 1
Kick Weeds out they are a stain on the great game. Scrap this season so revert to previous season no relegation Town stay in Premier league and weeds fans cry their eyes out again.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Mar 16, 2020 21:31:03 GMT 1
I don't get this Leeds and West Brom should go up but everything else stay the same? Why exactly? I'm sure league one/ league 2 teams in the promotion spots would be pissed if this was the case. Easiest outcome is to scrap the season. There'd be a less amount of disgruntled teams.
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Post by Champers on Mar 16, 2020 21:48:23 GMT 1
Why does it have to be beneficial to Leeds? Have they been promoted? Using them as an example as they’re top of the league, thought that would’ve been obvious? It's not that I don't understand what you're saying, more that I think it's fucking barmy. We'd restart 28 points behind the promotion places and 14 off the playoffs...please tell me how you propose we'd sell tickets for a season we can't achieve a damn thing in?
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Post by rocky on Mar 16, 2020 22:12:24 GMT 1
Not sure I follow you. Where's the contradiction and what have Leeds got to do with what I said? To be clear, I meant completely abandon this season and start off the next one (whenever that is) with all teams on zero points. Leeds are top so used them as an example. Let’s use West Brom as an example as it’s clear we can’t see past the Leeds hatred. West Brom are currently 6 points clear of Fulham. So surely just carrying on and adding next season’s fixtures to this season’s current tally is better for them than everyone starting again on 0. Which you suggested when saying it’d be better for the season to be scrapped than add to this season’s total! Yeah, I am saying starting again from next season with everyone on zero - it’s the best (or least worst) option. Your suggestion would involve a 55 game season which could end up actually starting months later than you anticipate. God only knows when it might finish. Not particularly having a go at your option, I think they’re all non starters. It’s this season where the issue lies. It would be crackers to potentially fuck up a number of future seasons on some half baked scheme to complete this season.
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 16, 2020 22:15:09 GMT 1
Leeds are top so used them as an example. Let’s use West Brom as an example as it’s clear we can’t see past the Leeds hatred. West Brom are currently 6 points clear of Fulham. So surely just carrying on and adding next season’s fixtures to this season’s current tally is better for them than everyone starting again on 0. Which you suggested when saying it’d be better for the season to be scrapped than add to this season’s total! Yeah, I am saying starting again from next season with everyone on zero - it’s the best (or least worst) option. Your suggestion would involve a 55 game season which could end up actually starting months later than you anticipate. God only knows when it might finish. Not particularly having a go at your option, I think they’re all non starters. It’s this season where the issue lies. It would be crackers to potentially fuck up a number of future seasons on some half baked scheme to complete this season. They’ll definitely complete this season I think, when that will be is anyone’s guess!
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Post by stinkypete on Mar 16, 2020 22:19:18 GMT 1
Using them as an example as they’re top of the league, thought that would’ve been obvious? It's not that I don't understand what you're saying, more that I think it's fucking barmy. We'd restart 28 points behind the promotion places and 14 off the playoffs...please tell me how you propose we'd sell tickets for a season we can't achieve a damn thing in? The selling season tickets is a different issue, it’s the ‘fairest’ way I’m talking about so everyone starts ‘as they were’. I agree selling season tickets might be an issue but I suspect we’d sell more for that scenario than league one!
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Post by Champers on Mar 16, 2020 22:37:15 GMT 1
It's not that I don't understand what you're saying, more that I think it's fucking barmy. We'd restart 28 points behind the promotion places and 14 off the playoffs...please tell me how you propose we'd sell tickets for a season we can't achieve a damn thing in? The selling season tickets is a different issue, it’s the ‘fairest’ way I’m talking about so everyone starts ‘as they were’. I agree selling season tickets might be an issue but I suspect we’d sell more for that scenario than league one! Well it's not a different issue at all really is it? Your so-called fairest way would probably screw a load of teams out of potential gate receipts as nobody would give a shit due to the lack of competition all round. You know how usually late March people say mid-table teams are 'on the beach'? That would be the case for many by Christmas time. Just another nonsensical idea to pander to a couple of teams still some way off confirming promotion.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 16, 2020 22:37:54 GMT 1
It's looking extremely unlikely that the season will recommence from what the headlines are suggesting.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Mar 16, 2020 23:17:27 GMT 1
Will probably depend on how far the virus will be contained up to then, but it looks like the German Football League is entertaining the idea of playing out the rest of the season behind closed doors. Difficult to say, of course, whether it will feasible when the beginning of April comes, but the idea is pragmatic and could provide a solution to stave off clubs from financial ruin: www.goal.com/en/news/playing-behind-closed-doors-is-only-way-for-bundesliga-clubs/1v6m6t9e18v0y1iorwl95zr41lProbably been mentioned earlier in the thread, and it's still a bit too early to say, but I wonder if it's an option in England? Hope so, it would mean things were on the way to being under control. I'd take that atm.
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