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Post by lorddriffield on Jun 7, 2020 17:13:21 GMT 1
Football is getting so surreal, going from strange a few games ago to downright weird. So happy it's back though. Maybe in the future fans won't even be invited, like in some futuristic sci-fi novel.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 17:17:54 GMT 1
Artificial noise is coming to England, too: www.bbc.com/sport/football/52950715From my experience, it's not quite as bad as you'd imagine it to be. After a couple of games, the noise controllers(?) here in Germany have reduced the delay from about 2 seconds to half a second for near misses, goals, fouls etc. So give them a chance - going to be funny listening to DATM reactions in the weeks to come when Town are playing with it. Might have to get used to it!! Its a fricking joke...hopefully it can just be an 'option'. Might as well play the game on an Xbox. I accidentally watched a bit of German football for about 5mins yesterday when flicking through to find something, initially thought it was a crowd outside the stadium but realised it was faked after about 45seconds as it just didn't seem 'quite right'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 17:20:31 GMT 1
Football is getting so surreal, going from strange a few games ago to downright weird. So happy it's back though. Maybe in the future fans won't even be invited, like in some futuristic sci-fi novel. I wonder in the future if the TV companies will invite us to attend as 'paid extras' when everyone realises football is actually pretty shit! Its the act of watching it as part of a crowd that makes it an experience with any real value.
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Post by isitjustme on Jun 7, 2020 17:34:53 GMT 1
you are spot on I'm afraid it is in its own world at times and many people on minimum wage or just above are likely to be out of work in a few months if not before. football or any sport should not take preference or be given special rates. I have sympathy for most clubs below prem especially down the pyramid but the prem league for me should stand or fall on there own devices. ps. my view would still be the same if we were still in it ps did not think I would agree with Gary MONK but is article in the sunday mirrow is spot on prem using championship as puppets and the pyramid of the game is in dager .Our chairman has said similar. if the championship is played out and league one vote to stop theres if you are in the relegated places in thed championship and they put the teams below up without finishing there season how can that be right? It can't be right! If EPL and Championship play out the season, then promotion and relegation between the two is clearly correct. But not between Championship and Lg1, if Lg1 doesn't complete the season! Obvious.......surely !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2020 19:13:44 GMT 1
if the championship is played out and league one vote to stop theres if you are in the relegated places in thed championship and they put the teams below up without finishing there season how can that be right? It can't be right! If EPL and Championship play out the season, then promotion and relegation between the two is clearly correct. But not between Championship and Lg1, if Lg1 doesn't complete the season! Obvious.......surely !!! so should the relegated teams take legal acton because if it is us I would be disappointed if they didn't and so would many more
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Post by blanquiazules on Jun 7, 2020 19:32:34 GMT 1
It can't be right! If EPL and Championship play out the season, then promotion and relegation between the two is clearly correct. But not between Championship and Lg1, if Lg1 doesn't complete the season! Obvious.......surely !!! so should the relegated teams take legal acton because if it is us I would be disappointed if they didn't and so would many more I’d be disappointed if we tried that, if the league completes and we finish in the bottom 3 then we knew from day 1 that meant relegation so no complaints. Different story if your division doesn’t finish and you are relegated by ppg, then you have grounds for complaint.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 7, 2020 21:34:01 GMT 1
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jun 9, 2020 9:20:01 GMT 1
Artificial noise is coming to England, too: www.bbc.com/sport/football/52950715From my experience, it's not quite as bad as you'd imagine it to be. After a couple of games, the noise controllers(?) here in Germany have reduced the delay from about 2 seconds to half a second for near misses, goals, fouls etc. So give them a chance - going to be funny listening to DATM reactions in the weeks to come when Town are playing with it. Might have to get used to it!! Its a fricking joke...hopefully it can just be an 'option'. Might as well play the game on an Xbox. I accidentally watched a bit of German football for about 5mins yesterday when flicking through to find something, initially thought it was a crowd outside the stadium but realised it was faked after about 45seconds as it just didn't seem 'quite right'. Yes, well, it took me about 2-3 games to get used to that fake noise, admittedly. It's funny how your brain adapts to accommodate the imperfection of it all. At home, I get DAZN, and they offer the option of having the blended-in crowd noise, which is fine. I prefer it to the ghostly sounds emitted in an empty stadium. But at my local in Leipzig, they didn't use it (Sky showing game v Paderborn). I asked why not, and they said they don't have it as an option (which surprised me for a pub showing Sky games). Spoke to a fan later on and he was saying it's good with no artificial noise, the fans in the pub should be generating enough sound to make up for it. But for all the 30 or so fans in the pub tried to make up for the lost crowd at the stadium, they just couldn't replace that white noise generated by 10s of thousands of spectators. Yes, there was plenty of laughing and joking, the ale was flowing - but a mixture of both the auxiliary noise and the natural pub noise would be my preferred choice, anyday! Have sports bars opened up again in England? Last I heard a week back, not, but they should be soon enough, so you'll see (or hear) for yourself. But I bet most bars will take the artificial noise option mixed in with the ooohs and aaaahs of the fans in a pub.
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Post by digs on Jun 9, 2020 12:45:15 GMT 1
I hope we get the Hillsborough cauldren sound track,other teams will shit their shorts
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Post by Galpharmer on Jun 9, 2020 13:27:19 GMT 1
I hope we get the Hillsborough cauldren sound track,other teams will shit their shorts Sean Jarvis got the mobile phone show, but he's taking it to the cricket place for bad light.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 13:58:27 GMT 1
Softboy Said: This is pretty much getting out of hand now. If a player tests positive they have to self isolate for 7 days so its going to be less than a week when they return to the club before they are going to have to play. If a players wife/partner (or whatever) has symtoms of the virus they have to self isolate for 7 days and their husband/partner (who is a player) has to self isolate for 14 days taking them beyond the season start. If the wife/partner has a positive test then all the players contacts (I assume first team squad) will have to isolate for 14 days so teams could start the season with essentially no players. Also, what about the 2/3 teams they have had contact with in the two weeks prior? Getting stupid now which is why null and voiding is the only sensible solution? now the efl have said if season cannot end it will be decided by appoint per game method.league one are deciding later today if they are going to curtail the season. if they do and the championship finishes theres as is likely the clubs who have been shafted or the relegated clubs from the championship replaced by clubs who havnt finished theres in the words of jim royleINTEGRITY MY ARSE.I CANNOT BELIEVE CLUBS AT THE BOTTOM END OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP ARE GOING TO ALLOW THIS WITHOUT A LEGAL CHALLENGE.SPEAKING TO A FRIEND OF MINE WHO WORKS IN LAW AND HE SAYS THEY WOULD HAVE A STRONG CASE AS IT IS NOT FAIR
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Post by I have a box full of hats on Jun 9, 2020 14:02:46 GMT 1
Softboy Said: This is pretty much getting out of hand now. If a player tests positive they have to self isolate for 7 days so its going to be less than a week when they return to the club before they are going to have to play. If a players wife/partner (or whatever) has symtoms of the virus they have to self isolate for 7 days and their husband/partner (who is a player) has to self isolate for 14 days taking them beyond the season start. If the wife/partner has a positive test then all the players contacts (I assume first team squad) will have to isolate for 14 days so teams could start the season with essentially no players. Also, what about the 2/3 teams they have had contact with in the two weeks prior? Getting stupid now which is why null and voiding is the only sensible solution? now the efl have said if season cannot end it will be decided by appoint per game method.league one are deciding later today if they are going to curtail the season. if they do and the championship finishes theres as is likely the clubs who have been shafted or the relegated clubs from the championship replaced by clubs who havnt finished theres in the words of jim royleINTEGRITY MY ARSE.I CANNOT BELIEVE CLUBS AT THE BOTTOM END OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP ARE GOING TO ALLOW THIS WITHOUT A LEGAL CHALLENGE.SPEAKING TO A FRIEND OF MINE WHO WORKS IN LAW AND HE SAYS THEY WOULD HAVE A STRONG CASE AS IT IS NOT FAIR They've just voted for it - I don't think they will have a choice!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 14:20:53 GMT 1
now the efl have said if season cannot end it will be decided by appoint per game method.league one are deciding later today if they are going to curtail the season. if they do and the championship finishes theres as is likely the clubs who have been shafted or the relegated clubs from the championship replaced by clubs who havnt finished theres in the words of jim royleINTEGRITY MY ARSE.I CANNOT BELIEVE CLUBS AT THE BOTTOM END OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP ARE GOING TO ALLOW THIS WITHOUT A LEGAL CHALLENGE.SPEAKING TO A FRIEND OF MINE WHO WORKS IN LAW AND HE SAYS THEY WOULD HAVE A STRONG CASE AS IT IS NOT FAIR They've just voted for it - I don't think they will have a choice! you may be right butsupporters cannot be happy about it from the relegated clubs.the whole thing is a farce but we move on either way!
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 9, 2020 15:27:00 GMT 1
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Post by royrace on Jun 9, 2020 15:28:22 GMT 1
They've just voted for it - I don't think they will have a choice! you may be right butsupporters cannot be happy about it from the relegated clubs.the whole thing is a farce but we move on either way! If they use PPG as it stands now for promotion from L1 and a champ club(s) gets relegated that isn't currently in the bottom three and would have survived based on PPG then they will have every right to feel very aggrieved. Hope its not us, it would just about top 1999 for relegation due to unlikely circumstances!!!! Surely each league needs to be following the same rules where promotions and relegations are taking place? Apparently not. How can it be fair that a championship club is about to face a run of games in bizarre circumstances, crazy number of games per week, strong possibility of injuries and a restart after a huge shutdown and that club might be relegated and replaced by a league one team that hasn't faced any of those adverse circumstances. There's every chance team or teams will be relegated as a direct result of COVID19 and replaced by a team completely unaffected by it or who have actually benefited from it in terms of being in the correct league position at the correct time.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jun 9, 2020 15:36:55 GMT 1
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Post by blink on Jun 9, 2020 15:53:07 GMT 1
you may be right butsupporters cannot be happy about it from the relegated clubs.the whole thing is a farce but we move on either way! If they use PPG as it stands now for promotion from L1 and a champ club(s) gets relegated that isn't currently in the bottom three and would have survived based on PPG then they will have every right to feel very aggrieved. Hope its not us, it would just about top 1999 for relegation due to unlikely circumstances!!!! Surely each league needs to be following the same rules where promotions and relegations are taking place? Apparently not. How can it be fair that a championship club is about to face a run of games in bizarre circumstances, crazy number of games per week, strong possibility of injuries and a restart after a huge shutdown and that club might be relegated and replaced by a league one team that hasn't faced any of those adverse circumstances. There's every chance team or teams will be relegated as a direct result of COVID19 and replaced by a team completely unaffected by it or who have actually benefited from it in terms of being in the correct league position at the correct time. Because each individual league has voted on it. What’s not fair about that? Unprecedented times, nobody asked for this but there’s no fairer way than to ask members of each league how they want to finish it. There was always going to be someone that loses out but what else could they do.
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Post by Melc on Jun 9, 2020 16:01:08 GMT 1
Peterborough miss out on chance of playoffs and Tranmere relegated. Coventry and Rotherham promoted!
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Post by impact on Jun 9, 2020 16:05:28 GMT 1
Pathetic decision. Unfair on so many fronts.
Tranmere one of the in-form teams in the league are relegated despite being a win from safety with a game in hand.
Peterborough miss out on PPG, when weighted PPG would have put them top 6 given they have played 1 home game less than Portsmouth.
Why are the teams in the play-off positions allowed to continue playing to try and win promotion, but the teams at the bottom aren't allowed to play on to avoid relegation.
As expected, owners have voted out of self-interest. I don't blame them, but you will never get a fair solution like that. The whole thing is wrong.
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Post by Melc on Jun 9, 2020 16:17:17 GMT 1
Pathetic decision. Unfair on so many fronts. Tranmere one of the in-form teams in the league are relegated despite being a win from safety with a game in hand. Peterborough miss out on PPG, when weighted PPG would have put them top 6 given they have played 1 home game less than Portsmouth. Why are the teams in the play-off positions allowed to continue playing to try and win promotion, but the teams at the bottom aren't allowed to play on to avoid relegation. As expected, owners have voted out of self-interest. I don't blame them, but you will never get a fair solution like that. The whole thing is wrong. Agree.
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Post by impact on Jun 9, 2020 16:21:44 GMT 1
IMO any club in the top 6 who voted to end the season should forfeit their place in that position.
If their real worry was cash flow this season then they should be fine staying down and saving some cash by not playing any more games.
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Post by impact on Jun 9, 2020 16:26:54 GMT 1
5 clubs in L1 voted to continue the season.
Pboro, Tranmere and Sunderland will have been 3 of those 5. The 4 teams (at least) in the top 6 who voted against it should now not be able to play for the rest of the season and should remain in league 1.
I wonder if they'll suddenly feel up for it when they play-offs start? Pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 16:57:57 GMT 1
you may be right butsupporters cannot be happy about it from the relegated clubs.the whole thing is a farce but we move on either way! If they use PPG as it stands now for promotion from L1 and a champ club(s) gets relegated that isn't currently in the bottom three and would have survived based on PPG then they will have every right to feel very aggrieved. Hope its not us, it would just about top 1999 for relegation due to unlikely circumstances!!!! Surely each league needs to be following the same rules where promotions and relegations are taking place? Apparently not. How can it be fair that a championship club is about to face a run of games in bizarre circumstances, crazy number of games per week, strong possibility of injuries and a restart after a huge shutdown and that club might be relegated and replaced by a league one team that hasn't faced any of those adverse circumstances. There's every chance team or teams will be relegated as a direct result of COVID19 and replaced by a team completely unaffected by it or who have actually benefited from it in terms of being in the correct league position at the correct time. Well said what a disgrace fans feelings don't matter"I
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Post by softboy on Jun 9, 2020 19:47:19 GMT 1
I used to think the EFL was an organisation that covered the Championship, League 1, League 2. Same rules and regulations for all. This myth has been further compounded by Quest as their show (EFL on Quest) featured all 3 divisions. How wrong was I. Clearly each league (with its current occupants) can change rules based on the votes of the teams currently in that particular league. As I see it League 1 have agreed that the top 2 will be automatically promoted to the Championship but the Championship have not reached any agreement as to what will happen at the bottom of the League should the season not actually finish. There is no current agreement in the Championship for relegation to take place and after all each League votes for what they want for their League so if the League doesn't finish the Championship could well vote for no relegation!
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 9, 2020 22:24:22 GMT 1
I used to think the EFL was an organisation that covered the Championship, League 1, League 2. Same rules and regulations for all. This myth has been further compounded by Quest as their show (EFL on Quest) featured all 3 divisions. How wrong was I. Clearly each league (with its current occupants) can change rules based on the votes of the teams currently in that particular league. As I see it League 1 have agreed that the top 2 will be automatically promoted to the Championship but the Championship have not reached any agreement as to what will happen at the bottom of the League should the season not actually finish. There is no current agreement in the Championship for relegation to take place and after all each League votes for what they want for their League so if the League doesn't finish the Championship could well vote for no relegation! All 71 clubs voted on the proposals as detailed here earlier today in respect of the 2019/20 season with the majority coming out in favour of promotion & relegation however the season ended. Individual divisions were then given the chance to vote & decide how their season would end. The argument that Leagues one & two had in previous meetings was that it would be too costly for many clubs to stage games behind closed doors bearing in mind the Government's rules & regulations that they would have to adhere to. These amended rules have only been brought in to cover this season and are not the norm. www.efl.com/news/2020/june/efl-statement-outcome-of-efl-extraordinary-general-meeting/
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Post by iangreaves on Jun 10, 2020 6:11:41 GMT 1
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Post by rastrick32 on Jun 10, 2020 7:49:29 GMT 1
I bet it was that IRA bastard...
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Post by royrace on Jun 10, 2020 8:15:10 GMT 1
I bet it was that IRA bastard... Hhmmm. I wonder what happens if a club is unable to complete any of its fixtures due to an outbreak. Not seen any mention of that. Be interested to know how people are now picking up the virus with the current rules that are in place. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by iangreaves on Jun 10, 2020 9:51:11 GMT 1
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jun 10, 2020 10:23:37 GMT 1
I wonder if some of the hierarchy will ever use the words "football family" again?
This has shown up the PL & the Championship in particular, that they are first & foremost, businesses. The L1, L2 clubs and beyond just want to have a club that exists to fight another day.
The PL has always been driving division within the domestic game, this current situation will widen that gap even more.
You'd have to think there will be some clubs who will sadly go the same way as Bury, acceptable collateral damage for some within the 'football family'...
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