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Post by impact on Jun 30, 2020 11:59:55 GMT 1
I really don't get why folk are getting their knickers in a twist about a player who's made 43 appearances in 4 years at the club under 3 different managers. If he was as good as some folk think he is, then why hasn't a top end Championship club tried to sign him rather than a team playing in the 15th ranked league in Europe? He had a whole year out with injury and came as a 20yo young prospect. He wasn't going to play loads in his first couple of years. We bought 2 supposedly premier league standard centre halves so he was 4th in the pecking order. After turning 22 he's played more than half his games for us - the last 8 or 9 of our 2nd prem season and 12 in a row this season before being harshly dropped after looking pretty good. IMO he's our best centre half right now, but if you're happy with Stearman and Elphick crawling round together next season then fair enough.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jun 30, 2020 12:21:06 GMT 1
I really don't get why folk are getting their knickers in a twist about a player who's made 43 appearances in 4 years at the club under 3 different managers. If he was as good as some folk think he is, then why hasn't a top end Championship club tried to sign him rather than a team playing in the 15th ranked league in Europe? He had a whole year out with injury and came as a 20yo young prospect. He wasn't going to play loads in his first couple of years. We bought 2 supposedly premier league standard centre halves so he was 4th in the pecking order. After turning 22 he's played more than half his games for us - the last 8 or 9 of our 2nd prem season and 12 in a row this season before being harshly dropped after looking pretty good. IMO he's our best centre half right now, but if you're happy with Stearman and Elphick crawling round together next season then fair enough. This is just more running our own players down rather than a sensible assessment. Elphick, after a shaky start, was looking solid before he got crocked at Preston as was Stearman before the lockdown. Either would be fine at this level or league 1. Jon was in and out of the team at centre back, and tried as a holding midfielder, and although I think he is a talented player, and has probably been unlucky for a number of reasons, it sounds like the right thing for him and the club.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 30, 2020 12:23:00 GMT 1
I really don't get why folk are getting their knickers in a twist about a player who's made 43 appearances in 4 years at the club under 3 different managers. If he was as good as some folk think he is, then why hasn't a top end Championship club tried to sign him rather than a team playing in the 15th ranked league in Europe? He had a whole year out with injury and came as a 20yo young prospect. He wasn't going to play loads in his first couple of years. We bought 2 supposedly premier league standard centre halves so he was 4th in the pecking order. After turning 22 he's played more than half his games for us - the last 8 or 9 of our 2nd prem season and 12 in a row this season before being harshly dropped after looking pretty good. IMO he's our best centre half right now, but if you're happy with Stearman and Elphick crawling round together next season then fair enough. I'm not happy with Stearman and Elphick but we're stuck with them unless we can somehow offload either them, but I don't rate Stankovic either. He's slow, gets bullied when marking a big forward and his passing range is greatly exaggerated. We need to sign a big commanding centre half in the summer to play alongside somebody with a bit of pace (Edmonds-Green perhaps) and getting shut of Stankovic will free up some of the budget.
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Post by Floyds on Jun 30, 2020 12:28:08 GMT 1
We could do with a reincarnation of Rob Page next season in League One. Not that we'll be able to sign anyone, of course.
Not sure what's happened to our defenders during lockdown, they've lost pace/strength/fitness from what was a pretty low base. I'm sure our aim was to be the fittest team in the league on our return. It looks like we've done the polar opposite.
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Post by impact on Jun 30, 2020 12:38:40 GMT 1
He had a whole year out with injury and came as a 20yo young prospect. He wasn't going to play loads in his first couple of years. We bought 2 supposedly premier league standard centre halves so he was 4th in the pecking order. After turning 22 he's played more than half his games for us - the last 8 or 9 of our 2nd prem season and 12 in a row this season before being harshly dropped after looking pretty good. IMO he's our best centre half right now, but if you're happy with Stearman and Elphick crawling round together next season then fair enough. I'm not happy with Stearman and Elphick but we're stuck with them unless we can somehow offload either them, but I don't rate Stankovic either. He's slow, gets bullied when marking a big forward and his passing range is greatly exaggerated. We need to sign a big commanding centre half in the summer to play alongside somebody with a bit of pace (Edmonds-Green perhaps) and getting shut of Stankovic will free up some of the budget. We're not going to sign a centre half or we'd have activated his 1 year extension. Unless another leaves it'll be Schindler, Stearman, Elphick and Edmonds-Green.
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 30, 2020 12:50:37 GMT 1
I'm not happy with Stearman and Elphick but we're stuck with them unless we can somehow offload either them, but I don't rate Stankovic either. He's slow, gets bullied when marking a big forward and his passing range is greatly exaggerated. We need to sign a big commanding centre half in the summer to play alongside somebody with a bit of pace (Edmonds-Green perhaps) and getting shut of Stankovic will free up some of the budget. We're not going to sign a centre half or we'd have activated his 1 year extension. Unless another leaves it'll be Schindler, Stearman, Elphick and Edmonds-Green. God help us then
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jun 30, 2020 12:58:28 GMT 1
We could do with a reincarnation of Rob Page next season in League One. Not that we'll be able to sign anyone, of course. Not sure what's happened to our defenders during lockdown, they've lost pace/strength/fitness from what was a pretty low base. I'm sure our aim was to be the fittest team in the league on our return. It looks like we've done the polar opposite. Simpson and Stearman are both older which may have made it harder.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 30, 2020 13:04:08 GMT 1
I'm not happy with Stearman and Elphick but we're stuck with them unless we can somehow offload either them, but I don't rate Stankovic either. He's slow, gets bullied when marking a big forward and his passing range is greatly exaggerated. We need to sign a big commanding centre half in the summer to play alongside somebody with a bit of pace (Edmonds-Green perhaps) and getting shut of Stankovic will free up some of the budget. We're not going to sign a centre half or we'd have activated his 1 year extension. Unless another leaves it'll be Schindler, Stearman, Elphick and Edmonds-Green. Or maybe we haven't activated his extension because the manager doesn't rate him.
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Post by royrace on Jun 30, 2020 13:08:46 GMT 1
Good on Stank I wish him well, shame he never got a run, timing seems weird though, came on on Saturday and played a fair few mins. Squad is now even weaker. Hope we don't lose a CB. Not allowed to bring back the loans either, the manager must be over the moon to lose his first choice RB and backup CB at this stage. At least it'll give them a decent excuse if we do go down.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 30, 2020 13:18:52 GMT 1
Good on Stank I wish him well, shame he never got a run, timing seems weird though, came on on Saturday and played a fair few mins. Squad is now even weaker. Hope we don't lose a CB. Not allowed to bring back the loans either, the manager must be over the moon to lose his first choice RB and backup CB at this stage. At least it'll give them a decent excuse if we do go down. Sturm Graz announced they were signing Stankovic at the conclusion of the season, so he'll still be here until then. The club have previously said that all out of contract players, other than Simpson, have extended their contracts.
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Post by eddieyoudsscarf on Jun 30, 2020 13:22:55 GMT 1
Good on Stank I wish him well, shame he never got a run, timing seems weird though, came on on Saturday and played a fair few mins. Squad is now even weaker. Hope we don't lose a CB. Not allowed to bring back the loans either, the manager must be over the moon to lose his first choice RB and backup CB at this stage. At least it'll give them a decent excuse if we do go down. Sturm Graz announced they were signing Stankovic at the conclusion of the season, so he'll still be here until then. The club have previously said that all out of contract players, other than Simpson, have extended their contracts. You'd imagine he won't be involved from now though?
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Post by impact on Jun 30, 2020 13:30:56 GMT 1
We're not going to sign a centre half or we'd have activated his 1 year extension. Unless another leaves it'll be Schindler, Stearman, Elphick and Edmonds-Green. Or maybe we haven't activated his extension because the manager doesn't rate him. If we're going to sign a centre half, which along with striker is the only place we have a full complement of players, then we're screwed. Players needed for 2 in each position, before any more leave and not including the players on loan Gk at least 1 Rb 2 Lb 1 Cm 1 Rw 1 Am 1 Lw 2 We're 9 short before we get started.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 30, 2020 13:39:29 GMT 1
Or maybe we haven't activated his extension because the manager doesn't rate him. If we're going to sign a centre half, which along with striker is the only place we have a full complement of players, then we're screwed. Players needed for 2 in each position, before any more leave and not including the players on loan Gk at least 1 Rb 2 Lb 1 Cm 1 Rw 1 Am 1 Lw 2 We're 9 short before we get started. You're making an assumption that Stankovc leaving is a cost cutting exercise, which we have no evidence to prove either way at the moment. Also we have a load of young lads such as REG, Daly, High, Austerfield, Brown (Jaden & Reece if he comes back), Koroma, Jackson, Harratt, Elliot, Rowe and one or two more, who will be expected to fill some of the above positions. I don't expect all of them to be ready for the fist team but there's likely to be two or three that are.
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Post by eddieyoudsscarf on Jun 30, 2020 14:07:27 GMT 1
If we're going to sign a centre half, which along with striker is the only place we have a full complement of players, then we're screwed. Players needed for 2 in each position, before any more leave and not including the players on loan Gk at least 1 Rb 2 Lb 1 Cm 1 Rw 1 Am 1 Lw 2 We're 9 short before we get started. You're making an assumption that Stankovc leaving is a cost cutting exercise, which we have no evidence to prove either way at the moment. Also we have a load of young lads such as REG, Daly, High, Austerfield, Brown (Jaden & Reece if he comes back), Koroma, Jackson, Harratt, Elliot, Rowe and one or two more, who will be expected to fill some of the above positions. I don't expect all of them to be ready for the fist team but there's likely to be two or three that are. You think 13 of our youngsters, very few with any experience above pub league level are our solution for next season? wild...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 14:10:12 GMT 1
Anybody know if there's a cut off for the club to take up the plus one year option for our out of contract players?
I'm assuming that would be today?
Hypothetically as obviously Town haven't issued a statement, could we see a U-turn on Stankovic and the club still take up the option?
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 30, 2020 14:13:25 GMT 1
You're making an assumption that Stankovc leaving is a cost cutting exercise, which we have no evidence to prove either way at the moment. Also we have a load of young lads such as REG, Daly, High, Austerfield, Brown (Jaden & Reece if he comes back), Koroma, Jackson, Harratt, Elliot, Rowe and one or two more, who will be expected to fill some of the above positions. I don't expect all of them to be ready for the fist team but there's likely to be two or three that are. You think 13 of our youngsters, very few with any experience above pub league level are our solution for next season? wild... I take it you didn't read the last sentence of my post then.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 30, 2020 14:16:13 GMT 1
He had a whole year out with injury and came as a 20yo young prospect. He wasn't going to play loads in his first couple of years. We bought 2 supposedly premier league standard centre halves so he was 4th in the pecking order. After turning 22 he's played more than half his games for us - the last 8 or 9 of our 2nd prem season and 12 in a row this season before being harshly dropped after looking pretty good. IMO he's our best centre half right now, but if you're happy with Stearman and Elphick crawling round together next season then fair enough. This is just more running our own players down rather than a sensible assessment. Elphick, after a shaky start, was looking solid before he got crocked at Preston as was Stearman before the lockdown. Either would be fine at this level or league 1. Jon was in and out of the team at centre back, and tried as a holding midfielder, and although I think he is a talented player, and has probably been unlucky for a number of reasons, it sounds like the right thing for him and the club. The trouble is when the legs go on old centre halves they quickly get found out - they know they've lost it and the opposition see it as well I remember being shocked just how bad Lucketti was the second time around - having been an absolute rock in his first spell Hudson is another example. Came with a great pedigree but started out average and descended by the month. Frankly he was a liability by the time he hung his boots up and looked completely out of his depth when Bristol City beat us 4-0 in the promotion season Elphick was poor and cost goals against Derby and Blackburn off the top of my head. He's then since done his ACL which at one point for a career ender - he'll be 33 when he comes back from that and I don't have very high hopes I'm afraid Stearman started well but he turns 33 soon - I don't see him having more than 30 games in his legs next season My hope is that Edmonds Green can step up but ... and to place in context he was playing for Brighouse at the end of last season!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 14:17:28 GMT 1
I'm not happy with Stearman and Elphick but we're stuck with them unless we can somehow offload either them, but I don't rate Stankovic either. He's slow, gets bullied when marking a big forward and his passing range is greatly exaggerated. We need to sign a big commanding centre half in the summer to play alongside somebody with a bit of pace (Edmonds-Green perhaps) and getting shut of Stankovic will free up some of the budget. We're not going to sign a centre half or we'd have activated his 1 year extension. Unless another leaves it'll be Schindler, Stearman, Elphick and Edmonds-Green. And Kongolo? I don't see how we can get rid of him with a two year EPL contract jangling round his neck. Maybe he realises he needs to work hard to Christmas to re-prove himself in order that he has the value to someone that means we're not just paying for him to go, in which case we have a half decent player to add to next seasons squad. There's no chance whatsoever he's going to get picked up by an EPL team this summer, so its down to him really - does he sit on his 2 years and get the odd spell out on loan before disappearing from the game, or does he put in the effort to get himself back on the conveyor belt and ensure he's playing at a decent level for the next 4 or 5 years? That we have a different management team and owner might make it slightly more likely that he'll play - I know he HAS been training at Canalside last couple of weeks as he works through his recovery, so its not as though he's permanently buggered off to London.
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Post by Porrohman on Jun 30, 2020 14:37:09 GMT 1
We're not going to sign a centre half or we'd have activated his 1 year extension. Unless another leaves it'll be Schindler, Stearman, Elphick and Edmonds-Green. And Kongolo? I don't see how we can get rid of him with a two year EPL contract jangling round his neck. Maybe he realises he needs to work hard to Christmas to re-prove himself in order that he has the value to someone that means we're not just paying for him to go, in which case we have a half decent player to add to next seasons squad. There's no chance whatsoever he's going to get picked up by an EPL team this summer, so its down to him really - does he sit on his 2 years and get the odd spell out on loan before disappearing from the game, or does he put in the effort to get himself back on the conveyor belt and ensure he's playing at a decent level for the next 4 or 5 years? That we have a different management team and owner might make it slightly more likely that he'll play - I know he HAS been training at Canalside last couple of weeks as he works through his recovery, so its not as though he's permanently buggered off to London. Even though it's the same management team and owner that fucked him off ?
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Post by impact on Jun 30, 2020 14:37:20 GMT 1
We're not going to sign a centre half or we'd have activated his 1 year extension. Unless another leaves it'll be Schindler, Stearman, Elphick and Edmonds-Green. And Kongolo? I don't see how we can get rid of him with a two year EPL contract jangling round his neck. Maybe he realises he needs to work hard to Christmas to re-prove himself in order that he has the value to someone that means we're not just paying for him to go, in which case we have a half decent player to add to next seasons squad. There's no chance whatsoever he's going to get picked up by an EPL team this summer, so its down to him really - does he sit on his 2 years and get the odd spell out on loan before disappearing from the game, or does he put in the effort to get himself back on the conveyor belt and ensure he's playing at a decent level for the next 4 or 5 years? That we have a different management team and owner might make it slightly more likely that he'll play - I know he HAS been training at Canalside last couple of weeks as he works through his recovery, so its not as though he's permanently buggered off to London. We've no idea what the loan deal with Fulham involved. There may be a mandatory buy. I'd have thought he'll be back out on loan next year again otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 15:26:42 GMT 1
And Kongolo? I don't see how we can get rid of him with a two year EPL contract jangling round his neck. Maybe he realises he needs to work hard to Christmas to re-prove himself in order that he has the value to someone that means we're not just paying for him to go, in which case we have a half decent player to add to next seasons squad. There's no chance whatsoever he's going to get picked up by an EPL team this summer, so its down to him really - does he sit on his 2 years and get the odd spell out on loan before disappearing from the game, or does he put in the effort to get himself back on the conveyor belt and ensure he's playing at a decent level for the next 4 or 5 years? That we have a different management team and owner might make it slightly more likely that he'll play - I know he HAS been training at Canalside last couple of weeks as he works through his recovery, so its not as though he's permanently buggered off to London. Even though it's the same management team and owner that fucked him off ? Good point, my bad memory had Siewert still being in charge THIS January!!
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Post by impact on Jun 30, 2020 15:34:42 GMT 1
If we're going to sign a centre half, which along with striker is the only place we have a full complement of players, then we're screwed. Players needed for 2 in each position, before any more leave and not including the players on loan Gk at least 1 Rb 2 Lb 1 Cm 1 Rw 1 Am 1 Lw 2 We're 9 short before we get started. You're making an assumption that Stankovc leaving is a cost cutting exercise, which we have no evidence to prove either way at the moment. Also we have a load of young lads such as REG, Daly, High, Austerfield, Brown (Jaden & Reece if he comes back), Koroma, Jackson, Harratt, Elliot, Rowe and one or two more, who will be expected to fill some of the above positions. I don't expect all of them to be ready for the fist team but there's likely to be two or three that are. Cowley today: "We think a lot of Jon and see a lot of potential. He's a diligent professional and we were keen to keep him but we're not in a position where we can offer new contracts, and as a result we weren't able to take the option we had on his contract."
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Post by impact on Jun 30, 2020 15:36:23 GMT 1
The official twitter page haven't even mentioned that part of his conference today, just skipped straight past it. .
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 30, 2020 15:50:22 GMT 1
You're making an assumption that Stankovc leaving is a cost cutting exercise, which we have no evidence to prove either way at the moment. Also we have a load of young lads such as REG, Daly, High, Austerfield, Brown (Jaden & Reece if he comes back), Koroma, Jackson, Harratt, Elliot, Rowe and one or two more, who will be expected to fill some of the above positions. I don't expect all of them to be ready for the fist team but there's likely to be two or three that are. Cowley today: "We think a lot of Jon and see a lot of potential. He's a diligent professional and we were keen to keep him but we're not in a position where we can offer new contracts, and as a result we weren't able to take the option we had on his contract." Fair enough but I still don't rate him, so personally I don't see it as a loss.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jun 30, 2020 15:52:15 GMT 1
The official twitter page haven't even mentioned that part of his conference today, just skipped straight past it. . I find the Examiner feed to be far more detailed on what's said in the press conferences.
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Post by Floyds on Jun 30, 2020 15:56:58 GMT 1
It's OK, we're staying "laser focused" for this game
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 30, 2020 16:38:20 GMT 1
You're making an assumption that Stankovc leaving is a cost cutting exercise, which we have no evidence to prove either way at the moment. Also we have a load of young lads such as REG, Daly, High, Austerfield, Brown (Jaden & Reece if he comes back), Koroma, Jackson, Harratt, Elliot, Rowe and one or two more, who will be expected to fill some of the above positions. I don't expect all of them to be ready for the fist team but there's likely to be two or three that are. Cowley today: "We think a lot of Jon and see a lot of potential. He's a diligent professional and we were keen to keep him but we're not in a position where we can offer new contracts, and as a result we weren't able to take the option we had on his contract." That's a real concern to be honest - reading between the lines it says to me the club is brassic and even if we stay up we're going to really struggle next season I also predict that a lot of the out of contract lads (i.e. umemployed in 3 weeks) will have their main focus on sorting out deals for themselves next year and less on the day job. Understandable on there part but makes life a lot harder for us
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jun 30, 2020 16:48:49 GMT 1
There’s talk that L2 and L1 will have a limit of 20 players in the squad aged 21+, meaning increased opportunities for Academy lads, which I think will happen anyway even if we don’t get relegated.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jun 30, 2020 16:58:25 GMT 1
Cowley today: "We think a lot of Jon and see a lot of potential. He's a diligent professional and we were keen to keep him but we're not in a position where we can offer new contracts, and as a result we weren't able to take the option we had on his contract." That's a real concern to be honest - reading between the lines it says to me the club is brassic and even if we stay up we're going to really struggle next season I also predict that a lot of the out of contract lads (i.e. umemployed in 3 weeks) will have their main focus on sorting out deals for themselves next year and less on the day job. Understandable on there part but makes life a lot harder for us We cannot offer a contract possibly because we don't know what league we will be in? If it had been a normal season we would have been in a position, when the time came to take up the option, to offer him terms. Maybe because of the way the season has played out we are at that point but not knowing what we can offer without knowing which division we are in.
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