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Jun 30, 2020 17:23:35 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Jun 30, 2020 17:23:35 GMT 1
The official twitter page haven't even mentioned that part of his conference today, just skipped straight past it. . I find the Examiner feed to be far more detailed on what's said in the press conferences. Yeah, that's exactly where I got the quote from. Seems odd to miss the whole subject though. The examiner has got a lot better since Stephen Chicken arrived.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 30, 2020 17:27:03 GMT 1
That's a real concern to be honest - reading between the lines it says to me the club is brassic and even if we stay up we're going to really struggle next season I also predict that a lot of the out of contract lads (i.e. umemployed in 3 weeks) will have their main focus on sorting out deals for themselves next year and less on the day job. Understandable on there part but makes life a lot harder for us We cannot offer a contract possibly because we don't know what league we will be in? If it had been a normal season we would have been in a position, when the time came to take up the option, to offer him terms. Maybe because of the way the season has played out we are at that point but not knowing what we can offer without knowing which division we are in. And I hope you're right - time will tell Crazy to think this is where we are now - unable to take up options on contracts - and yet in June last year Julian Winter was saying this: "I've always said to people that the Club has a really strong platform. We had two years in the Premier League, which was fantastic, so we come out with a really strong platform. There’s no knee-jerk reaction here, there’s no fire sale that you see with some clubs that get relegated." www.htafc.com/news/2019/june/winter-players-will-come-and-go/
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Jun 30, 2020 17:29:33 GMT 1
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Post by impact on Jun 30, 2020 17:29:33 GMT 1
Finally something from the club
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 30, 2020 17:33:06 GMT 1
We cannot offer a contract possibly because we don't know what league we will be in? If it had been a normal season we would have been in a position, when the time came to take up the option, to offer him terms. Maybe because of the way the season has played out we are at that point but not knowing what we can offer without knowing which division we are in. And I hope you're right - time will tell Crazy to think this is where we are now - unable to take up options on contracts - and yet in June last year Julian Winter was saying this: "I've always said to people that the Club has a really strong platform. We had two years in the Premier League, which was fantastic, so we come out with a really strong platform. There’s no knee-jerk reaction here, there’s no fire sale that you see with some clubs that get relegated." www.htafc.com/news/2019/june/winter-players-will-come-and-go/That’s precisely what should have happened. A really strong platform.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 17:48:04 GMT 1
That's a real concern to be honest - reading between the lines it says to me the club is brassic and even if we stay up we're going to really struggle next season I also predict that a lot of the out of contract lads (i.e. umemployed in 3 weeks) will have their main focus on sorting out deals for themselves next year and less on the day job. Understandable on there part but makes life a lot harder for us We cannot offer a contract possibly because we don't know what league we will be in? If it had been a normal season we would have been in a position, when the time came to take up the option, to offer him terms. Maybe because of the way the season has played out we are at that point but not knowing what we can offer without knowing which division we are in. We don't know what division we'll be in and we don't know when and what that division will look like. Worst case of a League 1 campaign with a salary cap, squad limit and no fans for any games would see a totally different squad than Town kicking off in a Championship league with no restrictions on attendance from day one. Throw in all the other things we simply don't know on here...it could be that we've already lined up an incredible defensive set of inbound transfers (and a decent keeper) aided by the sheer volume of players that will be released throughout the game this summer, and the likelihood of Stankovic getting a game next season is even lower than it has been since he joined us.
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Jun 30, 2020 18:07:01 GMT 1
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Post by thomo on Jun 30, 2020 18:07:01 GMT 1
Surely this is very short termist. We know pretty much all of our income will come from parachute payments whatever division we’re in. Take the option and see if we can make him into an asset we can sell. The fact Cowley wanted him to stay sets alarm bells ringing
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 18:13:24 GMT 1
Surely this is very short termist. We know pretty much all of our income will come from parachute payments whatever division we’re in. Take the option and see if we can make him into an asset we can sell. The fact Cowley wanted him to stay sets alarm bells ringing You do know its also been stated that parachute payments we can expect to receive *WILL* be reduced?? And we can't magically force clubs to hand cash over to us to take Mounie, Campbell, Pritchard, Diakhaby, Schindler, Bacuna, Sobhi, Grant, and Kongolo etc off our hands. The whole purpose of parachute payments is to ensure the security of football clubs whilst they transition out of those EPL contracts...but whilst our parachutes ARE going to be reduced, the wages they're needing to cover won't be. Plus Stankovic is 24...what are we going to do, get him on a 4 year contract and hope to cash in on him in 2 years, when he's still not established himself a starting position and he's 26 years old and pretty much all football transfers will be for out of contract players with next to no transfer fees.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 18:21:42 GMT 1
Surely this is very short termist. We know pretty much all of our income will come from parachute payments whatever division we’re in. Take the option and see if we can make him into an asset we can sell. The fact Cowley wanted him to stay sets alarm bells ringing You do know its also been stated that parachute payments we can expect to receive *WILL* be reduced?? And we can't magically force clubs to hand cash over to us to take Mounie, Campbell, Pritchard, Diakhaby, Schindler, Bacuna, Sobhi, Grant, and Kongolo etc off our hands. The whole purpose of parachute payments is to ensure the security of football clubs whilst they transition out of those EPL contracts...but whilst our parachutes ARE going to be reduced, the wages they're needing to cover won't be. Plus Stankovic is 24...what are we going to do, get him on a 4 year contract and hope to cash in on him in 2 years, when he's still not established himself a starting position and he's 26 years old and pretty much all football transfers will be for out of contract players with next to no transfer fees. as I have posted before we are not in a great place but believe me compared to some indeed a lot we are not in a dire one either. whatever the division we are in there will be a big change in player turn around but I doubt there will be a fire sale but some will go like many money will talk
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 18:36:00 GMT 1
Surely this is very short termist. We know pretty much all of our income will come from parachute payments whatever division we’re in. Take the option and see if we can make him into an asset we can sell. The fact Cowley wanted him to stay sets alarm bells ringing Wednesday 22nd july 2020Management duo shock resignation following final season day goaless draw that secures championship football for another season. In a pre-prepared statement they commented " We have done all that was asked of us by the Chairman when we agreed to take the job on, part way through the season in what was at the time, desperate circumstances.
However, we both feel that we do not have the Chairman's backing going forawrd to implement our exciting plans for the future, in returning success to this football club again"
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Jun 30, 2020 18:45:35 GMT 1
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Post by thomo on Jun 30, 2020 18:45:35 GMT 1
Surely this is very short termist. We know pretty much all of our income will come from parachute payments whatever division we’re in. Take the option and see if we can make him into an asset we can sell. The fact Cowley wanted him to stay sets alarm bells ringing You do know its also been stated that parachute payments we can expect to receive *WILL* be reduced?? Are they? - news to me. Why?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 18:49:04 GMT 1
You do know its also been stated that parachute payments we can expect to receive *WILL* be reduced?? Are they? - news to me. Why?
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Post by Up the Duff. on Jun 30, 2020 19:00:03 GMT 1
If we're going to sign a centre half, which along with striker is the only place we have a full complement of players, then we're screwed. Players needed for 2 in each position, before any more leave and not including the players on loan Gk at least 1 Rb 2 Lb 1 Cm 1 Rw 1 Am 1 Lw 2 We're 9 short before we get started. You're making an assumption that Stankovc leaving is a cost cutting exercise, which we have no evidence to prove either way at the moment. Also we have a load of young lads such as REG, Daly, High, Austerfield, Brown (Jaden & Reece if he comes back), Koroma, Jackson, Harratt, Elliot, Rowe and one or two more, who will be expected to fill some of the above positions. I don't expect all of them to be ready for the fist team but there's likely to be two or three that are. Assumption proven correct then...well assumed that man
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Post by alexdire on Jun 30, 2020 19:00:43 GMT 1
This is just more running our own players down rather than a sensible assessment. Elphick, after a shaky start, was looking solid before he got crocked at Preston as was Stearman before the lockdown. Either would be fine at this level or league 1. Jon was in and out of the team at centre back, and tried as a holding midfielder, and although I think he is a talented player, and has probably been unlucky for a number of reasons, it sounds like the right thing for him and the club. The trouble is when the legs go on old centre halves they quickly get found out - they know they've lost it and the opposition see it as well I remember being shocked just how bad Lucketti was the second time around - having been an absolute rock in his first spell Hudson is another example. Came with a great pedigree but started out average and descended by the month. Frankly he was a liability by the time he hung his boots up and looked completely out of his depth when Bristol City beat us 4-0 in the promotion season Elphick was poor and cost goals against Derby and Blackburn off the top of my head. He's then since done his ACL which at one point for a career ender - he'll be 33 when he comes back from that and I don't have very high hopes I'm afraid Stearman started well but he turns 33 soon - I don't see him having more than 30 games in his legs next season My hope is that Edmonds Green can step up but ... and to place in context he was playing for Brighouse at the end of last season! Also to put it into context its not a massive step up from the top of League Two to League One. He'll be the one bright spark, then hopefully we'll be able to sell him at the end of the 20/21 season to a championship club to keep us in business.
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Post by thomo on Jun 30, 2020 19:05:45 GMT 1
Are they? - news to me. Why? “Town chairman Phil Hodgkinson has confirmed parachute payments have been cut this time because of the Covid-19 pandemic.” That seems a bit loose - has there been a more specific statement? Does he mean the payments we are receiving are reduced or that they will be reduced for those clubs getting relegated this year. I genuinely don’t see why our parachute payments would be cut. The premier league got to televise whichever games they wanted when we were in the league. That money should surely be guaranteed as we’ve met the terms of the contract without interruption. It’s understandable those in the prem now who have not been able to let sky broadcast games as planned as a result of corona virus have broken their contract so their tv income should be cut??
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Post by impact on Jun 30, 2020 19:10:14 GMT 1
“Town chairman Phil Hodgkinson has confirmed parachute payments have been cut this time because of the Covid-19 pandemic.” That seems a bit loose - has there been a more specific statement? Does he mean the payments we are receiving are reduced or that they will be reduced for those clubs getting relegated this year. I genuinely don’t see why our parachute payments would be cut. The premier league got to televise whichever games they wanted when we were in the league. That money should surely be guaranteed as we’ve met the terms of the contract without interruption. It’s understandable those in the prem now who have not been able to let sky broadcast games as planned as a result of corona virus have broken their contract so their tv income should be cut?? Parachute payments are a % of the shared revenue the Premier league teams get. So if their revenue goes down, so does ours.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jun 30, 2020 19:13:06 GMT 1
Town chairman Phil Hodgkinson has confirmed parachute payments have been cut this time because of the Covid-19 pandemic. That seems a bit loose - has there been a more specific statement. does he mean the payments we are receiving are reduced or that they will be reduced for those clubs getting relegated this year. I genuinely don’t see why our parachute payments would be cut. The premier league got to televise whichever games they wanted when we were in the league. That money should surely be guaranteed as we’ve met the terms of the contract without interruption. It’s understandable those in the prem now who have not been able to let sky broadcast games as planned as a result of corona virus have broken their contract so their monies could be cut?? I do wonder how much this is - is it millions we’re losing or more in the region a hundred grant (the price of a shirt sponsorship fine) Today the premier league found £1m down the back of the sofa to give womens football for player testing And it’s not that long since they literally gave Richard scudamore £5m as a retirement gift Seems unfair they’re this awash but are reneging contractual commitments which have direct ramifications on town who can’t renege on their player contracts made based on the understanding they’d be getting parachute payments
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2020 19:14:30 GMT 1
“Town chairman Phil Hodgkinson has confirmed parachute payments have been cut this time because of the Covid-19 pandemic.” That seems a bit loose - has there been a more specific statement? Does he mean the payments we are receiving are reduced or that they will be reduced for those clubs getting relegated this year. I genuinely don’t see why our parachute payments would be cut. The premier league got to televise whichever games they wanted when we were in the league. That money should surely be guaranteed as we’ve met the terms of the contract without interruption. It’s understandable those in the prem now who have not been able to let sky broadcast games as planned as a result of corona virus have broken their contract so their tv income should be cut?? Parachute payments are a % of the shared revenue the Premier league teams get. So if their revenue goes down, so does ours. That's correct as I understand it Covid-19 = TV revenue down therefore Parachute payments reduced QED
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Post by space hardware on Jun 30, 2020 19:23:50 GMT 1
We cannot offer a contract possibly because we don't know what league we will be in? If it had been a normal season we would have been in a position, when the time came to take up the option, to offer him terms. Maybe because of the way the season has played out we are at that point but not knowing what we can offer without knowing which division we are in. And I hope you're right - time will tell Crazy to think this is where we are now - unable to take up options on contracts - and yet in June last year Julian Winter was saying this: "I've always said to people that the Club has a really strong platform. We had two years in the Premier League, which was fantastic, so we come out with a really strong platform.
There’s no knee-jerk reaction here, there’s no fire sale that you see with some clubs that get relegated."www.htafc.com/news/2019/june/winter-players-will-come-and-go/That statement aged well, didn't it? 😁
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Post by specialun on Jun 30, 2020 19:36:38 GMT 1
There’s a wider point here He’s out of contract Should we have offered him another contract? Imo yes without doubt However do not underestimate the financial impact of Covid Unless we have a young prospect (cheap) then I expect all first team players out of contract to be released So at centre half we half Schindler, Edmonds-Green, Stearman and Elphick under contract next season. Max use of loans from start of the season to fill in the gaps in the squad rather than add to what we have But that's such short-termism. He is one of few players on our books with real potential and the ability to command a decent transfer fee. If it was needing to offer a brand new contract and he wanted more then I could sort of get it. But we had the option to extend it by a year. I'd be absolutely shocked if he's on more than 20k pw - 1m pa - given he came as a young prospect. I believe he could command a fee a fair bit in excess of that if we actually play him. Can we really not afford £1m to invest in a player who may have some serious potential? Are we really that strapped of cash? I agree with your logic - and expect Cowley would want to keep him, interesting to see what he says But to your last question ‘are we really that strapped for cash’? The answer may be yes.... We have come down from the premier league & income:wage mismatch Cowley had to reduce the wage bill in January We can talk parachute payments but £45m of those are going / pear gone to Hoyle We’re in the worst economic recession for 300 years... We don’t know when we will start to have fans in the ground / match day revenue Obviously Chairman Phil is a very successful businessman ... let’s not forget what a very successful businessman he is
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Jun 30, 2020 19:40:21 GMT 1
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Post by Wingman on Jun 30, 2020 19:40:21 GMT 1
Are they? - news to me. Why? Was Rick Parry once the EPL Chairman after being Liverpool Chief Exec? So he will surely have had a hand in setting up these parachute payments, will have trumpeted their use and now wants to pull them down? Love how he uses us and Leeds as examples; Leeds who won’t give a shit about the EFL in a matter of weeks. His argument about wealth distribution is old and he has given Richard Masters an excuse to save the EPL millions now. Come in Agent Parry, your work is done.
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Post by sapphireblue on Jul 7, 2020 20:13:37 GMT 1
Take a bow son. When others may have tossed it off, you showed this evening what sort of bloke you are.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 7, 2020 20:22:09 GMT 1
Take a bow son. When others may have tossed it off, you showed this evening what sort of bloke you are. Yes, he put in a stalwart performance today. Superb from a player who didn't really need to extend himself if he doesn't want to.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 7, 2020 20:26:47 GMT 1
Take a bow son. When others may have tossed it off, you showed this evening what sort of bloke you are. Showed us exactly what he is. A model professional who hopefully has a brilliant future in the game.
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Post by clayts on Jul 7, 2020 21:00:27 GMT 1
Why on earth did we give Stearman a two year contract?
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Post by frankslegs on Jul 7, 2020 21:00:57 GMT 1
Has he ever let us down in any game?For me and my regular town chums he has had the rawest of deals...Great credit to him how h3 has handled it - all the best Jon
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Jul 7, 2020 21:05:10 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 21:05:10 GMT 1
We will have Elphick and Stearman next season, I dare say both on more money than JGS would have been on.
Still, not as ridiculous as this:
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Post by Galpharmer on Jul 7, 2020 21:12:34 GMT 1
Full credit to him today.
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Post by ilsonterrier on Jul 7, 2020 22:12:37 GMT 1
Having already secured a new contract at Sturm Graz, it would have been so easy for him to walk away and refuse to play in these last few games, but he's shown us exactly the type of person he is. As someone else has said, a model professional.
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