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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 0:20:13 GMT 1
I’d rather the brothers stay If we drop they know the lower leagues well and should be able to build a good competitive side If we stay up they’ve done a good job and deserve the opportunity to build on that They know fuck all about League 1, having managed less games in that league than they have fingers, or are you suggesting we get relegated next season too before they wave their magic wand of tedious lower league football into action?!
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Post by dm on Jul 17, 2020 8:22:01 GMT 1
I’d rather the brothers stay If we drop they know the lower leagues well and should be able to build a good competitive side If we stay up they’ve done a good job and deserve the opportunity to build on that They know fuck all about League 1, having managed less games in that league than they have fingers, or are you suggesting we get relegated next season too before they their magic wand of tedious lower league football into action?! Is that all that matters? Lee Clark knew League 1 very well and he couldn't get Town out of it, even when we were spending more than almost everybody else. Whereas David Wagner only managed 1 full season in the Championship but got us straight out of it when the "experts" predicted us to be relegated.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 17, 2020 8:39:06 GMT 1
I’d rather the brothers stay If we drop they know the lower leagues well and should be able to build a good competitive side If we stay up they’ve done a good job and deserve the opportunity to build on that They know fuck all about League 1, having managed less games in that league than they have fingers, or are you suggesting we get relegated next season too before they their magic wand of tedious lower league football into action?! They average 1.21 points per game in the championship - that’s enough for a mid table finish over a season. If we go down it will be due to JS and decision not to fire him in May www.transfermarkt.co.uk/danny-cowley/profil/trainer/37278The only reason they didn’t manage longer in league one is because they had various championship sides making them offers If we drop - and I make it 50/50 right now - I would stick with them as I think they’ll build a organised hard working side in the sheff Utd mould when they were in league one under wilder I actually think if they keep us up they’ll have other offers and will walk so it’s likely you’ll get your wish without town making a huge pay out
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Post by tvor on Jul 17, 2020 9:06:58 GMT 1
It does appear that I am in the minority in wanting the Brothers to stay and build a nasty niggly team full of terriers. I think we will punch above our weight next season if we can stay in this division with these two in charge, I cannot think of anyone better to have in charge if we go down and whatever happens I don't think we could afford to pay em off. So I presume a fair few folk are hoping they walk away, I hope they don't. I hope they don’t walk either. The first, or one of their first press conferences, was all about long term projects so maybe they’ll stick by that. We’ve needed some niggly, complaining to the ref type players for a while. And I don’t mind the two Rons shouting from the sidelines approach either.
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Post by specialun on Jul 17, 2020 9:15:51 GMT 1
Of course they should stay if they keep us up and imo if we go down
The blame firmly at our diabolical recruitment in the last few years - and last summers was the worst of the lot
Their points per game equates to a 15/16 place finish in the championship
I said at the start of the season we’d do well to finish 16th
Judge them next season
I’m not exactly sure what some of you expected inheriting they squad they did with 1 win in 9 months
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 9:29:10 GMT 1
They know fuck all about League 1, having managed less games in that league than they have fingers, or are you suggesting we get relegated next season too before they their magic wand of tedious lower league football into action?! They average 1.21 points per game in the championship - that’s enough for a mid table finish over a season. If we go down it will be due to JS and decision not to fire him in May www.transfermarkt.co.uk/danny-cowley/profil/trainer/37278The only reason they didn’t manage longer in league one is because they had various championship sides making them offers If we drop - and I make it 50/50 right now - I would stick with them as I think they’ll build a organised hard working side in the sheff Utd mould when they were in league one under wilder I actually think if they keep us up they’ll have other offers and will walk so it’s likely you’ll get your wish without town making a huge pay out My wish? I have no desire whatsoever to see the Cowleys leave. I’ve stated before that the route to potential success (whatever that might mean) likely means giving then next season as a freebie and then see what happens the following season.
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 9:41:07 GMT 1
Of course they should stay if they keep us up and imo if we go down The blame firmly at our diabolical recruitment in the last few years - and last summers was the worst of the lot Their points per game equates to a 15/16 place finish in the championship
I said at the start of the season we’d do well to finish 16thJudge them next season I’m not exactly sure what some of you expected inheriting they squad they did with 1 win in 9 months
Yet people expected Siewert to start winning games instantly? Despite us only winning 4 games in a year when he came in. Mr. Cowley has been given a free pass this season by a lot of supporters, the same supporters who would be up in arms if Siewert was overseeing this mess. Double standards as usual.
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Post by softboy on Jul 17, 2020 9:48:10 GMT 1
Given the comments on here it is ridiculous so say he has been given a "free pass" this season. He came in with the team in the complete shit and whilst I would have liked to be safe by now i think the fact that we are still in a strong position to stay up is credit to him. For a team that were in complete disarray when they arrived I feel they have worked hard to get us to where we are now - a solid chance of stating up.
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 9:58:42 GMT 1
Given the comments on here it is ridiculous so say he has been given a "free pass" this season. He came in with the team in the complete shit and whilst I would have liked to be safe by now i think the fact that we are still in a strong position to stay up is credit to him. For a team that were in complete disarray when they arrived I feel they have worked hard to get us to where we are now - a solid chance of stating up. We are still in a relegation battle, after 10 months of him being here, with no recognised style of play and the worst football seen in years. Hardly anyone seems bothered or is willing to criticise him. I'd say that was a free pass.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 17, 2020 11:08:43 GMT 1
Given the comments on here it is ridiculous so say he has been given a "free pass" this season. He came in with the team in the complete shit and whilst I would have liked to be safe by now i think the fact that we are still in a strong position to stay up is credit to him. For a team that were in complete disarray when they arrived I feel they have worked hard to get us to where we are now - a solid chance of stating up. We are still in a relegation battle, after 10 months of him being here, with no recognised style of play and the worst football seen in years. Hardly anyone seems bothered or is willing to criticise him. I'd say that was a free pass. If you’ve ever played football when a team is losing regular it takes a huge changes to turn things round even at low levels at the top is like climbing Everest as players who have lost confidence often can’t just be replaced due to huge wages that other clubs don’t want to risk taking on. You cannot underestimate how hard a job the Cowleys took on, have some patience because these two have what it takes and it’s people like yourself that can make it easier.
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 11:12:32 GMT 1
We are still in a relegation battle, after 10 months of him being here, with no recognised style of play and the worst football seen in years. Hardly anyone seems bothered or is willing to criticise him. I'd say that was a free pass. If you’ve ever played football when a team is losing regular it takes a huge changes to turn things round even at low levels at the top is like climbing Everest as players who have lost confidence often can’t just be replaced due to huge wages that other clubs don’t want to risk taking on. You cannot underestimate how hard a job the Cowleys took on, have some patience because these two have what it takes and it’s people like yourself that can make it easier. The last fella was hounded out for not turning it around quickly yet we should stick with the current manager? Who ironically has had longer in the job than his predecessor. It gets to a stage where you either keep the manager or you satisfy the fans. Because if Cowley continues to play the guff that he is currently playing, you can kiss goodbye to the big crowds we've had. Look at what happened under Powell, he drove 1000s away and Cowley will do the same unless it improves dramatically. How long do we give him? If we go down and we finish mid-table, is that really acceptable?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 11:28:02 GMT 1
The Cowley's haven't done enough to suggest they'd do well next season. I appreciate that since they've come in, we're midtable in terms of results, however that's a very simplistic way of looking at it. Whether we're in L1 or the Championship, they will be getting rid of 15+ players, a lot of them for free. Our only hope of a decent budget next season is if we sell Grant for £5m/£10m. There is no clear style of play. Whilst we're not the big-hitters that we used to be, can we get a better manager? Yes. With the right management team, our club can be top 10 as an absolute minimum. Are the Cowley's good enough to do that for us? I just don't see it.
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Post by houllierspal on Jul 17, 2020 11:37:10 GMT 1
Don’t think that we can judge them accurately yet, most on here were pleased with their appointment, let’s give them a fair chance with a full pre season and their own recruitment
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Post by workshyfop on Jul 17, 2020 11:50:14 GMT 1
The Cowley's haven't done enough to suggest they'd do well next season. I appreciate that since they've come in, we're midtable in terms of results, however that's a very simplistic way of looking at it. Whether we're in L1 or the Championship, they will be getting rid of 15+ players, a lot of them for free. Our only hope of a decent budget next season is if we sell Grant for £5m/£10m. There is no clear style of play. Whilst we're not the big-hitters that we used to be, can we get a better manager? Yes. With the right management team, our club can be top 10 as an absolute minimum. Are the Cowley's good enough to do that for us? I just don't see it. Top 10 in the Championship “as a minimum” or League 1? As you say, we’ll be getting rid of 15 players and we’re skint. I’m afraid we’re back to trying to scrape up on a tight budget, barring an absolute miracle (which, sadly, probably won’t strike twice in our lifetime).
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Post by houllierspal on Jul 17, 2020 11:50:15 GMT 1
Plus - More than ever, we simply can’t afford the endless sack/compensate compensate/appoint culture of recent times
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 17, 2020 12:18:33 GMT 1
If you’ve ever played football when a team is losing regular it takes a huge changes to turn things round even at low levels at the top is like climbing Everest as players who have lost confidence often can’t just be replaced due to huge wages that other clubs don’t want to risk taking on. You cannot underestimate how hard a job the Cowleys took on, have some patience because these two have what it takes and it’s people like yourself that can make it easier. The last fella was hounded out for not turning it around quickly yet we should stick with the current manager? Who ironically has had longer in the job than his predecessor. It gets to a stage where you either keep the manager or you satisfy the fans. Because if Cowley continues to play the guff that he is currently playing, you can kiss goodbye to the big crowds we've had. Look at what happened under Powell, he drove 1000s away and Cowley will do the same unless it improves dramatically. How long do we give him? If we go down and we finish mid-table, is that really acceptable? No comparison Cowley started to turn the shitstorm around JS was losing game after game after game after game. You cannot keep changing managers your quick fix is what fucks most clubs up but JS Jesus that was DH at his worst .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 12:23:38 GMT 1
Call me an eternal optimist, but I still have confidence in the Cowley's.
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 12:26:52 GMT 1
The last fella was hounded out for not turning it around quickly yet we should stick with the current manager? Who ironically has had longer in the job than his predecessor. It gets to a stage where you either keep the manager or you satisfy the fans. Because if Cowley continues to play the guff that he is currently playing, you can kiss goodbye to the big crowds we've had. Look at what happened under Powell, he drove 1000s away and Cowley will do the same unless it improves dramatically. How long do we give him? If we go down and we finish mid-table, is that really acceptable? No comparison Cowley started to turn the shitstorm around JS was losing game after game after game after game. You cannot keep changing managers your quick fix is what fucks most clubs up but JS Jesus that was DH at his worst . Siewert had 15 games in the Premier League with the worst side to ever grace the division. Cowley has had 38 games in the Championship with a side that according to some should be challenging for Top 6. You're right, there's no comparison.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 17, 2020 12:31:35 GMT 1
No comparison Cowley started to turn the shitstorm around JS was losing game after game after game after game. You cannot keep changing managers your quick fix is what fucks most clubs up but JS Jesus that was DH at his worst . Siewert had 15 games in the Premier League with the worst side to ever grace the division. Cowley has had 38 games in the Championship with a side that according to some should be challenging for Top 6. You're right, there's no comparison. In your head there is no comparison, no town fans after the first 6 games thought town were a top 6 side in fact most will have known escaping relegation was a bloody miracle.
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 12:32:12 GMT 1
Siewert had 15 games in the Premier League with the worst side to ever grace the division. Cowley has had 38 games in the Championship with a side that according to some should be challenging for Top 6. You're right, there's no comparison. In your head there is no comparison, no town fans after the first 6 games thought town were a top 6 side in fact most will have known escaping relegation was a bloody miracle. The chairman does.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 17, 2020 12:36:05 GMT 1
When JS lost his job no club was interested in employing him ( he now is back at his level). If the Cowleys leave championship clubs will come looking). That speaks volumes.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 17, 2020 12:36:46 GMT 1
In your head there is no comparison, no town fans after the first 6 games thought town were a top 6 side in fact most will have known escaping relegation was a bloody miracle. The chairman does. Well who do you agree with the chairman or me.
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 12:37:07 GMT 1
When JS lost his job no club was interested in employing him ( he now is back at his level). If the Cowleys leave championship clubs will come looking). That speaks volumes. Says who?
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 12:37:52 GMT 1
Well who do you agree with the chairman or me. It's pretty obvious that we are not a Top 6 side, on paper or otherwise. The chairman is talking bollocks - as usual.
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Post by digs on Jul 17, 2020 12:38:31 GMT 1
When JS lost his job no club was interested in employing him ( he now is back at his level). If the Cowleys leave championship clubs will come looking). That speaks volumes. Says who? Their mum
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Post by clayts on Jul 17, 2020 12:39:26 GMT 1
Maybe they are under instruction to play crap boring football from their mum, just like Lossl is under instruction to kick it into the seats every game.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 17, 2020 12:43:12 GMT 1
Siewert had 15 games in the Premier League with the worst side to ever grace the division. Cowley has had 38 games in the Championship with a side that according to some should be challenging for Top 6. You're right, there's no comparison. In your head there is no comparison, no town fans after the first 6 games thought town were a top 6 side in fact most will have known escaping relegation was a bloody miracle. I thought, and still do, that we should be with the players we had. These 2 have relied on Grant or Bacuna pulling something out the bag for them rather than finding a system and gameplan that suits what they've got available.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 17, 2020 12:44:38 GMT 1
They stay for me despite the dismal form of late, the football needs to improve a bit though.
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Post by hartyhtfc on Jul 17, 2020 12:53:09 GMT 1
Those who think we are a "top 6 side" are stuck in a different vision of the Championship from as little as 2/3 years ago.
When we went up, our inventiveness and approach with Wagner was still quite new for the league. Since then we've seen Wolves, Sheffield United and Bielsa's Leeds all raise levels ridiculously, which has filtered down the league. You don't get away with playing the same rubbish every week now, you'll get found out very quickly.
I do think the overall quality of the league this season is worse than when we went up, but at the same time, we need to do more to outwit other teams now
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 17, 2020 12:56:25 GMT 1
When JS lost his job no club was interested in employing him ( he now is back at his level). If the Cowleys leave championship clubs will come looking). That speaks volumes. Says who? Says me I will bring back this thread to prove it in time if not you can
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