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Post by shawsie on Jul 14, 2020 22:30:12 GMT 1
What planet is Cowley fucking on! I just thought the same! Sheff wed have a great squad...look at their subs! Theyve got 8 pts more than us and we are absolutely dreadful!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 22:30:35 GMT 1
The Cowleys must be the most negative managers we have had in a long time, they just seem to stop the players going and winning a game. They were clearly happy with the point, Lossl showed that at the end messing about with the goal kick. I posted after Luton that they never learn from their mistakes, and that just sums it up really. After all the criticism tossed their way, they prove that its correct. This style will not work in the Championship, and when you play like this you normally get punished. They got away with it against Preston, Wednesday and Reading, but most of the time, like Luton, Wigan, Forest, and plenty of other games this season, you get punished. If the chairman has watched the last few weeks, and has seen something in the Cowleys that I am missing, then fair play to him, but we just look tactically clueless, we have NO idea how to attack, let alone score a goal, our mindset is that of a team expecting to lose, and the entertainment value is just none existant. I have paid for dental work thats been more exciting than this. This summer whether we stay up or not, we have to make some big changes, because I will say this now, if we stay up and try to do again, next season, what we did this season, in terms of transfer activity, in terms of tactics, in terms of game plans, we will go down next season. Another 2 hours wasted tonight, just 2 more games to go... They are good at posturing on the sidelines though to be fair
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Post by ACW on Jul 14, 2020 22:30:39 GMT 1
If you think we made a concerted attempt to win that game you need your head read. Yes, we created one good chance, but there was little attacking intent throughout the match. If you think otherwise then fine, but I disagree. The Cowley's inherited alot of dross - true - but they are also responsible for the direction of the team. At the moment I see no identity on the pitch whatsoever. There is no structure, no patterns of play, no attacking intent. The players take some responsibility for that, but so do the managers. They are managing a team that looks utterly devoid of attacking ideas. And its the same game after game. If you want to absolve the Cowleys of any blame for our utterly ineffective and directionless performances, then fine. You do that. I am not one for calling for manager's jobs - never have been - but I am losing faith in their ability to take us forward. I have rarely - if ever - seen such an ineffective team. We never look like scoring at one end, and live by the seat of our pants at the other. As we did tonight. Its not good enough. That is a bit unfair. I think it was an attacking team put out tonight. Where we struggle, still, is speed of movement and thought in the final third. When Campbell missed near the end we had two players in the box. Toffolo was first to the ball on the wing and hit a good cross first time. If we did more of that and had better finishers we would score more. You cannot blame the Cowleys for a bunch of players who just can not seem to hit the net. It is probably partly fear, given our position, but Nahki Wells would have buried that chance as would Jordan Rhodes (in his day) and a bunch of others. We don't have that quality, and haven't for a few seasons. Positives, I thought Chalobah played well again. They got in dangerous positions a few times but we defended pretty well. O'Brien worked hard and linked up well with ESR, it is just that last push toward goal. Fingers crossed other teams fluff their lines at least as badly as us. We need a lot of changes next season wherever we are. I am struggling to see how the creation of one chance - no matter how good - is evidence of general attacking intent. We may have had two players in the box when Campbell missed, but how often does that happen? No often. I don't blame the Cowleys for poor finishing, but I partially blame them for our utterly ineffective attacking play. If we were missing chances with poor finishing then I can see your argument, but we are creating hardly any chances game after game. I accept that fear and lack of confidence is affecting our play. I also accept that the Cowleys inherited some poor players. However, our lack of mastery of the basics of attacking play - game after game - is at least partly down to them. This isn't one game we're talking about - its a run of them. On the positive side, I also thought Chalobah played well again. As did Stearman.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 14, 2020 22:30:56 GMT 1
I am pretty sure I will get ridiculed for this but if Brentford beat Preston tomorrow they are one point behind WBA with Stoke and Barnsley to play. It may be squeaky bum time for WBA on Friday, they will not want to be scrapping their way through the playoffs. I know we had more quality in the team back then but the two results which kept us in the Prem were against teams nobody gave us a hope of getting anything from. Football is a funny old game
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Post by terriers321 on Jul 14, 2020 22:34:00 GMT 1
If this is accurate, it says it all. Sooner he goes the better. He might be a nice guy but he just isnt very good.
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Post by omegasupreme on Jul 14, 2020 22:34:18 GMT 1
Best chances? We had one - Campbell's miss. Must have missed the chances at the other end. What about Grant's miss? Grant is a disgrace. I don't care how many penalties he's scored.
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Post by softboy on Jul 14, 2020 22:36:32 GMT 1
Apart from last Friday we have become hard to score against which may well see us over the line. Yes I would have preferred more attacking intent but given Hull thrashing at Wigan & Luton only drawing at home the QPR I think this is a very useful point indeed.
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Post by ACW on Jul 14, 2020 22:36:37 GMT 1
I am pretty sure I will get ridiculed for this but if Brentford beat Preston tomorrow they are one point behind WBA with Stoke and Barnsley to play. It may be squeaky bum time for WBA on Friday, they will not want to be scrapping their way through the playoffs. I know we had more quality in the team back then but the two results which kept us in the Prem were against teams nobody gave us a hope of getting anything from. Football is a funny old game Didn't a certain VLP score the winners in both games? Absolute beauty in the home game.
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Jul 14, 2020 22:38:03 GMT 1
Grant is a disgrace. I don't care how many penalties he's scored. If I was Captain, I’d not only be grabbing Grant by the scruff of the neck, I’d be questioning the Manager why he gets 90 minutes every game when he is clearly not arsed.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 14, 2020 22:38:19 GMT 1
That is a bit unfair. I think it was an attacking team put out tonight. Where we struggle, still, is speed of movement and thought in the final third. When Campbell missed near the end we had two players in the box. Toffolo was first to the ball on the wing and hit a good cross first time. If we did more of that and had better finishers we would score more. You cannot blame the Cowleys for a bunch of players who just can not seem to hit the net. It is probably partly fear, given our position, but Nahki Wells would have buried that chance as would Jordan Rhodes (in his day) and a bunch of others. We don't have that quality, and haven't for a few seasons. Positives, I thought Chalobah played well again. They got in dangerous positions a few times but we defended pretty well. O'Brien worked hard and linked up well with ESR, it is just that last push toward goal. Fingers crossed other teams fluff their lines at least as badly as us. We need a lot of changes next season wherever we are. I am struggling to see how the creation of one chance - no matter how good - is evidence of general attacking intent. We may have had two players in the box when Campbell missed, but how often does that happen? No often. I don't blame the Cowleys for poor finishing, but I partially blame them for our utterly ineffective attacking play. If we were missing chances with poor finishing then I can see your argument, but we are creating hardly any chance game to game. I accept that fear and lack of confidence is affecting our play. I also accept that the Cowleys inherited some poor players. However, our lack of mastery of the basics of attacking play - game after game - is at least partly down to them. This isn't one game we're talking about - its a run of them. On the positive side, I also thought Chalobah played well again. As did Stearman. We had a few chances but poor delivery, poor attackers and defenders first to the ball took any threat away. The Cowleys cannot change that with the personnel they have. Pretty much everything Wigan hit tonight went in, partly because there is no fear for them. Win or lose they probably won't be there next season so caution to the wind. They just looked relaxed and thoroughly enjoying themselves and filled their boots. No pressure in football can be a lovely thing. Seems a long time since we were in that place.
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 14, 2020 22:38:48 GMT 1
Think some of the comments about players not caring, or displaying no effort or desire are wide of the mark. I think you could tell they cared and put in a shift tonight, we're just not a very good team playing with absolutely zero confidence that's all. They looked like they didn't give a shit on Friday and I honestly expected an abject tonight. We were spared that at least. Still offering too little going forward but at they looked like they gave a shit tonight. Sadly, given the quality of the opposition for our final 2 games I'm looking more to Wigan, Charlton, Hull, Luton & Barnsley dropping points to keep us up. If offered 1 point from our last 2 games I'd take it TBH.
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Post by terriers321 on Jul 14, 2020 22:39:35 GMT 1
I am pretty sure I will get ridiculed for this but if Brentford beat Preston tomorrow they are one point behind WBA with Stoke and Barnsley to play. It may be squeaky bum time for WBA on Friday, they will not want to be scrapping their way through the playoffs. I know we had more quality in the team back then but the two results which kept us in the Prem were against teams nobody gave us a hope of getting anything from. Football is a funny old game Ive never been more confident in a town loss. They will score, we wont.
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Post by Nabysarratemyhamster on Jul 14, 2020 22:40:23 GMT 1
It’s a long while since I’ve posted on here but feel I have to as I can’t believe what I’m reading, I would happily watch us play like that until the end of the season if we get over the line.... at 80 mins tonight a point was far more preserving than pressing for 3 and ending up with 0, there is a very strong possibility that Hull and Luton can draw and we would need only a point if that was the case to guarantee survival, West Brom will be feeling the pressure as well as us and there is also the possibility that Millwall could be playing for nothing, so the point could be absolutely vital... I read above a suggestion that the cowleys would be sacked even if we stayed up arguably up there with the most ridiculous posts ever made on here along with Hogg being a diabolical footballer (possibly same post) he will always look poor in poor teams but he has been on the whole outstanding for town.
The problem for me is very clear.... we lack pace in vital areas to get from defence to attack quickly.... this is why we looked far more threatening with VLP and dare I say it on occasions with Diakhaby, again this is why Toffolo stands out as he does get in behind.
Anyway the fact is tonight was a very very good point and one more in my opinion will be enough.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 14, 2020 22:40:52 GMT 1
I am pretty sure I will get ridiculed for this but if Brentford beat Preston tomorrow they are one point behind WBA with Stoke and Barnsley to play. It may be squeaky bum time for WBA on Friday, they will not want to be scrapping their way through the playoffs. I know we had more quality in the team back then but the two results which kept us in the Prem were against teams nobody gave us a hope of getting anything from. Football is a funny old game Didn't a certain VLP score the winners in both games? Absolute beauty in the home game. Not that old chestnut
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Post by Tinpot on Jul 14, 2020 22:41:25 GMT 1
I am pretty sure I will get ridiculed for this but if Brentford beat Preston tomorrow they are one point behind WBA with Stoke and Barnsley to play. It may be squeaky bum time for WBA on Friday, they will not want to be scrapping their way through the playoffs. I know we had more quality in the team back then but the two results which kept us in the Prem were against teams nobody gave us a hope of getting anything from. Football is a funny old game Didn't a certain VLP score the winners in both games? Absolute beauty in the home game. I think he's referring to the 0-0 at Man City & the 1-1 at Chelsea.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 14, 2020 22:42:17 GMT 1
It’s a long while since I’ve posted on here but feel I have to as I can’t believe what I’m reading, I would happily watch us play like that until the end of the season if we get over the line.... at 80 mins tonight a point was far more preserving than pressing for 3 and ending up with 0, there is a very strong possibility that Hull and Luton can draw and we would need only a point if that was the case to guarantee survival, West Brom will be feeling the pressure as well as us and there is also the possibility that Millwall could be playing for nothing, so the point could be absolutely vital... I read above a suggestion that the cowleys would be sacked even if we stayed up arguably up there with the most ridiculous posts ever made on here along with Hogg being a diabolical footballer (possibly same post) he will always look poor in poor teams but he has been on the whole outstanding for town. The problem for me is very clear.... we lack pace in vital areas to get from defence to attack quickly.... this is why we looked far more threatening with VLP and dare I say it on occasions with Diakhaby, again this is why Toffolo stands out as he does get in behind. Anyway the fact is tonight was a very very good point and one more in my opinion will be enough. Re VLP. I definitely agree with you.
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Post by saible on Jul 14, 2020 22:42:50 GMT 1
I really think the players are the ones to blame, they haven't really looked like they give a shit this season. Before lockdown we were terrible and i thought we'd come back with some real fight...we haven't, we look an awful side and I reckon quite a few of this lot will move on this summer if we drop. Can't stand the thought of L1..it wasn't hat long since we were playing Man city ffs.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 14, 2020 22:43:21 GMT 1
It’s a long while since I’ve posted on here but feel I have to as I can’t believe what I’m reading, I would happily watch us play like that until the end of the season if we get over the line.... at 80 mins tonight a point was far more preserving than pressing for 3 and ending up with 0, there is a very strong possibility that Hull and Luton can draw and we would need only a point if that was the case to guarantee survival, West Brom will be feeling the pressure as well as us and there is also the possibility that Millwall could be playing for nothing, so the point could be absolutely vital... I read above a suggestion that the cowleys would be sacked even if we stayed up arguably up there with the most ridiculous posts ever made on here along with Hogg being a diabolical footballer (possibly same post) he will always look poor in poor teams but he has been on the whole outstanding for town. The problem for me is very clear.... we lack pace in vital areas to get from defence to attack quickly.... this is why we looked far more threatening with VLP and dare I say it on occasions with Diakhaby, again this is why Toffolo stands out as he does get in behind. Anyway the fact is tonight was a very very good point and one more in my opinion will be enough. IMHO that was worth coming back for.
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Jul 14, 2020 22:43:47 GMT 1
Willock is crap. He would make a god 5aside player as he has quick feet but that is it.
Kachunga bab
Grant get shut of him his 1st touch is a tackle
Hogg offers nothing but slows us down
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Post by jim59 on Jul 14, 2020 22:44:03 GMT 1
If this is accurate, it says it all. Sooner he goes the better. He might be a nice guy but he just isnt very good. Interesting. nicholas says the same re my earlier po.st in this thread Mounie does not try to get in front of his man or attack the ball.
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Post by schindlersmissed on Jul 14, 2020 22:45:07 GMT 1
Also we had some great individual performances, Lossl, Chalobah and Toffolo and young Smith Rowe worked his socks off and Stearman and Schinds were solid. All in all a good cohesive team effort, not the many on here alluded to was it? Utft Agreed. We are battling hard and inching nearer safety which short term wise is all that matters. Bet the bookies don’t think we’ll go down!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 14, 2020 22:46:40 GMT 1
Sadly, I think our fate is in other teams hands on this occasion, despite the official odds suggesting otherwise.
Didn't watch or listen tonight, the comments on here seemed to be quite unanimous. Irks me that we just don't have any oomph to just go for it for one cup final that will just about secure their place in the Championship.
Not many seasons where Town haven't taken things to the wire though...
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 14, 2020 22:48:48 GMT 1
If this is accurate, it says it all. Sooner he goes the better. He might be a nice guy but he just isnt very good. Mmm, Andy Booth was slow but put the ball on his bonce and guess where it ended up ? Play to his strength for gods sake
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 14, 2020 22:50:58 GMT 1
May need to play a Wagner favourite formation on Friday 541 to see if we can get a point
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 14, 2020 22:51:13 GMT 1
Sooner he goes the better. He might be a nice guy but he just isnt very good. Mmm, Andy Booth was slow but put the ball on his bonce and guess where it ended up ? Play to his strength for gods sake It’s easier to slag him off rather than understand that the lack of quality service to him is the cause.
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Post by Nabysarratemyhamster on Jul 14, 2020 22:51:43 GMT 1
Furthermore I cant grasp the lack of basic of general understanding.
Numerous posts of its out of our hands until we are in the bottom 3 regardless of who we have left to play it’s entirely in our hands.
Equally annoying we deserve to go down.... we will only deserve to go down if we finish in the bottom 3 that’s how football works.
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Post by ACW on Jul 14, 2020 22:52:05 GMT 1
Didn't a certain VLP score the winners in both games? Absolute beauty in the home game. I think he's referring to the 0-0 at Man City & the 1-1 at Chelsea. Read it wrong - whoops!
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Post by stinkypete on Jul 14, 2020 22:52:58 GMT 1
I think after tonight, that QPR goal has given us a huge boost towards safety. I’d happily take 2 more of those 0-0s and stay up. I honestly think another point will do, but if Charlton lose tomorrow we might already have enough! (Although I wouldn’t want to bet on it)
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Post by space hardware on Jul 14, 2020 22:53:38 GMT 1
We've been here before, with Lou Macari. We know how that ended up.
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Post by H7 on Jul 14, 2020 22:54:01 GMT 1
It’s a long while since I’ve posted on here but feel I have to as I can’t believe what I’m reading, I would happily watch us play like that until the end of the season if we get over the line.... at 80 mins tonight a point was far more preserving than pressing for 3 and ending up with 0, there is a very strong possibility that Hull and Luton can draw and we would need only a point if that was the case to guarantee survival, West Brom will be feeling the pressure as well as us and there is also the possibility that Millwall could be playing for nothing, so the point could be absolutely vital... I read above a suggestion that the cowleys would be sacked even if we stayed up arguably up there with the most ridiculous posts ever made on here along with Hogg being a diabolical footballer (possibly same post) he will always look poor in poor teams but he has been on the whole outstanding for town. The problem for me is very clear.... we lack pace in vital areas to get from defence to attack quickly.... this is why we looked far more threatening with VLP and dare I say it on occasions with Diakhaby, again this is why Toffolo stands out as he does get in behind. Anyway the fact is tonight was a very very good point and one more in my opinion will be enough. I agree with all of this (even the Diakhaby part!) The problem we have is the personnel, they are all tidy footballers individually but the team as a unit is so unbalanced it is a joke. My thoughts for next season are we need to invest in a right back of a similar mould to Toffolo and assemble a front 4 (in the 4231 formation the Cowleys clearly like) that can all play fluid, narrow and all are hungry to score goals. One potential target that I don't think is unrealistic is Marcus Maddison, the type player who can play anywhere across that front 4 and has an eye for goal. This will allow Toff and the RB to maraud forward providing the width allowing us to flood the box. We have seen glimpses of Toffolo's forward runs since he came in and he made 2 or 3 excellent overlapping and underlapping forward runs tonight and anyone else in the entire stadium on the end of that final cross other than Campbell and we win 1-0.
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