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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 15, 2020 7:19:59 GMT 1
Whereas no one can really question the players effort and we would all accept eeking out survival with 0-0 draws the whole goings on at Huddersfield Town is simply not good enough. It's absolute dogshit to watch and the serious lack of quality to create and take chances is absolutely woeful, to the extent I'm incredulous.
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Post by softboy on Jul 15, 2020 7:33:14 GMT 1
Ww just need to get over the line this season and if that means taking 0 0 draws then so be it. On the question of a points deduction Wednesday were really putting in a real effort to win the game in the last 10 mins (much more than you would usually expect from a mid table side) so perhaps there will be sonething this season after all.
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Post by townrwe on Jul 15, 2020 7:47:21 GMT 1
Woken up this morning and the its all a bit mmeeeeh.
Cant be bothered with it, not sure if its because its into July and its cricket season or I'm just bored by watching town.
I was saying from day one that Chabolah couldn't play in midfield as he didn't see the picture behind him, his game was all in front of him, its taken professional football managers 9 months to see something that was obvious day one.
I'll watch the last 2 games, but the longer the summer break is the better for me.... its really not inspiring me to renew my season tickets.
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Post by bedgroveterrier on Jul 15, 2020 9:23:35 GMT 1
My take, after letting it all sink in. I was generally pleased with the effort we put in tonight apart as usual, from the final third ( front zone in Cowley speak) In Chalobah we seem to have solved the right back problem - he’s been a revelation since moving there and looks a class player to me. O’Brien was back to his best and worked well with Hogg . Interesting that Hogg was criticised in the first half for going backwards. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was playing to orders as it seems that our first half game plan is to keep things tight and hold onto possession at all costs. 2nd half he was more positive with his passing. Lossl is a great keeper and kept us in the game. It’s clear that our main problem is upfront. Grant is poor at the moment but could of scored. ESR is a good player but has a poor shot. No point playing Mounié if we are not going to get quality crosses to him. I don’t think we are a million miles away and I can see us giving WBA a good game on Friday. Optimistic at best, deluded at worst.
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Post by worthington on Jul 15, 2020 9:51:12 GMT 1
When the country went into lockdown we were 3 points above the bottom 3 - 7 games later we are still 3 points above the bottom 3. The order of things may have changed but the overall position hasn't so whilst our performances have been poor and we cannot score goals we have kept things pretty tight at the back recently (apart from the Luton game) which has allowed things to tick over - be it slowly. For those who say "things are out of our hands" I would be interested to know which of the teams below us you would like to change places with. It's a bloody tough watch though. But you are right in what you say. The worry is that we are totally devoid of attacking intent (scored in open play in just one of the last eight games) and the Cowleys are clueless when it comes to changing the pattern of a game and that we get caught out so often on the restart after breaks (half times, drinks break - we were nearly done tonight). Massive overhaul, on and off the pitch in the 'close season', including the management and backroom staff. I don't envy the job given the short window.
A friend has had a season ticket at Lincoln for the last few years. He was always telling me they played terrible football even though they won more than they lost. So the Cowleys have at least brought 50% of their formula with them.
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Post by royrace on Jul 15, 2020 9:56:11 GMT 1
It's a bloody tough watch though. But you are right in what you say. The worry is that we are totally devoid of attacking intent (scored in open play in just one of the last eight games) and the Cowleys are clueless when it comes to changing the pattern of a game and that we get caught out so often on the restart after breaks (half times, drinks break - we were nearly done tonight). Massive overhaul, on and off the pitch in the 'close season', including the management and backroom staff. I don't envy the job given the short window.
A friend has had a season ticket at Lincoln for the last few years. He was always telling me they played terrible football even though they won more than they lost. So the Cowleys have at least brought 50% of their formula with them. You must be mates with the only Lincoln fan who didn't rate them If the football is shit next season when they don't have the pressure of a relegation battle, a shit squad, COVID and no pre-season to contend with I think it will be fair to judge them then on the quality of the football.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 15, 2020 9:57:14 GMT 1
It's a bloody tough watch though. But you are right in what you say. The worry is that we are totally devoid of attacking intent (scored in open play in just one of the last eight games) and the Cowleys are clueless when it comes to changing the pattern of a game and that we get caught out so often on the restart after breaks (half times, drinks break - we were nearly done tonight). Massive overhaul, on and off the pitch in the 'close season', including the management and backroom staff. I don't envy the job given the short window.
A friend has had a season ticket at Lincoln for the last few years. He was always telling me they played terrible football even though they won more than they lost. So the Cowleys have at least brought 50% of their formula with them. According to Cowley: “ we were a bit tight in the final action”
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Post by royrace on Jul 15, 2020 10:01:12 GMT 1
You didn't have to put the ball directly onto Boothy's head, you had to put it somewhere in the box and he'd do the rest. Similarly with Rhodes it was his movement that got him so many headed goals rather than aerial prowess. With Mounie if you don't put the ball exactly where he's standing you have no chance. He doesn't make space for himself, he doesn't look to get in front of defenders and he doesn't anticipate anything. Spot on, being saying same for ages and he's no bully in the box either, put a big nasty centre back on his case and he goes missing. Free headers with a good ball in, fine. People forget how good Rhodes was of intercepting the diagonal cross to glance headers into a far corner that the keeper couldn't get to. Anticipation and execution and he wasn't particularly tall either. Yup. I think the Cowleys also agree and he'll hopefully get himself a decent move, been a good servant and good character but he's not the answer and you sometimes have to remind yourself he cost £12M when you see that first touch. A passenger most games, could probably do really well in the right league but not in England IMO.
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 15, 2020 10:09:08 GMT 1
Has anyone else given up on watching the Town games and just waiting and praying for a positive result at full-time?
It's been so depressing and pretty dire to watch that I've actually stopped - I just hope we can limp over the finish line and start afresh next season.
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Post by impact on Jul 15, 2020 10:16:27 GMT 1
Yeah let's accept awful, dire performances devoid of all attacking intent and be happy we are narrowly close to the drop having not scored a goal in open play for nearly 5 months. I know you are not but with that comment above you sound like one of those armchair supporting, PlayStation era, spotty kid, football ‘fan’ who thinks the word revolves around Premier League. If you think that was an awful, dire performance then you need to wake up. Yes, it was lacking up top, not for the want of Toffolo, ESR and O’Brien trying though. How many times did they burst forward or do you care not to warrant that with acknowledgement? We are very poor up front but to call that performance dire and awful is unwarranted and uneducated. You don’t all have to be sheep. You can have a view that is different to the masses. I have my own views. I don't understand how anyone criticising that performance is a sheep, armchair supporting (which BTW everyone is right now) fan or someone who believes the Premier League is everything. That's a pathetic comment. It was awful. We created 1 chance all match against a side which has kept 1 clean sheet since the return from lockdown. We barely threatened. We didn't make runs in behind. We didn't have a plan of how to play. We looked shaky at the back and were saved on numerous occasions by Lossl. We made 2 subs out of 5 and left one of our most creative players on the bench when he has shown before he can change games. We didn't try to win the game yet again. We now have to play 2 sides battling at the top of the table whilst teams around us who are showing form play worse sides. There is a very real chance we are playing league 1 football next year, and we needed 1 good performance to avoid that tonight against a poor side. Yet again in a big match we were poor and looked clueless going forward. If saying 1 shot on target against a side on a bad run of form who have leaked goals for fun isn't good is uneducated and unwarranted, then clearly I am thick as shit. If bursting forwards every so often is your definition of a decent performance then crack on. I prefer to see some decent play, decent tactics and decent subs who change the game. The Cowleys have been in charge for some of the worst performances in recent memory this calendar year even pre-lockdown - Barnsley A, Stoke H, Leeds A, Cardiff H - and it hasn't got better since the restart. They deserve critisicm, not being told to shut up if you do.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 15, 2020 10:30:48 GMT 1
I have my own views. I don't understand how anyone criticising that performance is a sheep, armchair supporting (which BTW everyone is right now) fan or someone who believes the Premier League is everything. That's a pathetic comment. It was awful. We created 1 chance all match against a side which has kept 1 clean sheet since the return from lockdown. We barely threatened. We didn't make runs in behind. We didn't have a plan of how to play. We looked shaky at the back and were saved on numerous occasions by Lossl. We made 2 subs out of 5 and left one of our most creative players on the bench when he has shown before he can change games. We didn't try to win the game yet again. We now have to play 2 sides battling at the top of the table whilst teams around us who are showing form play worse sides. There is a very real chance we are playing league 1 football next year, and we needed 1 good performance to avoid that tonight against a poor side. Yet again in a big match we were poor and looked clueless going forward. If saying 1 shot on target against a side on a bad run of form who have leaked goals for fun isn't good is uneducated and unwarranted, then clearly I am thick as shit. If bursting forwards every so often is your definition of a decent performance then crack on. I prefer to see some decent play, decent tactics and decent subs who change the game. The Cowleys have been in charge for some of the worst performances in recent memory this calendar year even pre-lockdown - Barnsley A, Stoke H, Leeds A, Cardiff H - and it hasn't got better since the restart. They deserve critisicm, not being told to shut up if you do. You made a statement that it was awful and dire, which it clearly wasn’t. We weren’t shaky at the back, Lossl and Stearman, Chalobah and Toffolo were all excellent. Schindler, average. You didn’t say having 1 shot on target isn’t good, you said we were awful and dire. Of course they deserve criticism, I personally think tactics and formation are wrong. You didn’t offer anything in your comment that I responded to other than accepting an awful, dire performance. Hence my response. My opinion, we played ok but are toothless up front. Due to formation, tactics and a player out wide who put in one of the most disrespectful performances I have seen by a Town player.
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Post by impact on Jul 15, 2020 10:55:08 GMT 1
I have my own views. I don't understand how anyone criticising that performance is a sheep, armchair supporting (which BTW everyone is right now) fan or someone who believes the Premier League is everything. That's a pathetic comment. It was awful. We created 1 chance all match against a side which has kept 1 clean sheet since the return from lockdown. We barely threatened. We didn't make runs in behind. We didn't have a plan of how to play. We looked shaky at the back and were saved on numerous occasions by Lossl. We made 2 subs out of 5 and left one of our most creative players on the bench when he has shown before he can change games. We didn't try to win the game yet again. We now have to play 2 sides battling at the top of the table whilst teams around us who are showing form play worse sides. There is a very real chance we are playing league 1 football next year, and we needed 1 good performance to avoid that tonight against a poor side. Yet again in a big match we were poor and looked clueless going forward. If saying 1 shot on target against a side on a bad run of form who have leaked goals for fun isn't good is uneducated and unwarranted, then clearly I am thick as shit. If bursting forwards every so often is your definition of a decent performance then crack on. I prefer to see some decent play, decent tactics and decent subs who change the game. The Cowleys have been in charge for some of the worst performances in recent memory this calendar year even pre-lockdown - Barnsley A, Stoke H, Leeds A, Cardiff H - and it hasn't got better since the restart. They deserve critisicm, not being told to shut up if you do. You made a statement that it was awful and dire, which it clearly wasn’t. We weren’t shaky at the back, Lossl and Stearman, Chalobah and Toffolo were all excellent. Schindler, average. You didn’t say having 1 shot on target isn’t good, you said we were awful and dire. Of course they deserve criticism, I personally think tactics and formation are wrong. You didn’t offer anything in your comment that I responded to other than accepting an awful, dire performance. Hence my response. My opinion, we played ok but are toothless up front. Due to formation, tactics and a player out wide who put in one of the most disrespectful performances I have seen by a Town player. Saying it was awful and dire (which for starters was a comment on recent performances) is an opinion. You have a different opinion. I clearly thought it was or I wouldn't have said it. Toffolo was skinned every time at full back. Stearman jumped out on a few occasions and players got past him. Lossl kept us in the game with some great saves. That to me is shaky at the back. If you think the tactics and formation were wrong (and therefore it's likely you feel the same about other recent games) then why are you pulling me up saying that they can be criticised because right now we have awful football on show? We have not scored a goal from open play since February 29th. That is awful and dire.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 15, 2020 11:07:32 GMT 1
Saying it was awful and dire (which for starters was a comment on recent performances) is an opinion. You have a different opinion. I clearly thought it was or I wouldn't have said it. Toffolo was skinned every time at full back. Stearman jumped out on a few occasions and players got past him. Lossl kept us in the game with some great saves. That to me is shaky at the back. If you think the tactics and formation were wrong (and therefore it's likely you feel the same about other recent games) then why are you pulling me up saying that they can be criticised because right now we have awful football on show? We have not scored a goal from open play since February 29th. That is awful and dire. I started writing a detailed response but deleted it. I can’t be arsed. You think we were dire, I don’t. You thought the back 4 were shaky, I don’t. Your last paragraph sums up the debate. You keep changing your point. It started with calling the performance dire, then changed to having 1 shot as what you meant, now how many goals since February. Ill leave it be now.
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Post by impact on Jul 15, 2020 11:48:30 GMT 1
Saying it was awful and dire (which for starters was a comment on recent performances) is an opinion. You have a different opinion. I clearly thought it was or I wouldn't have said it. Toffolo was skinned every time at full back. Stearman jumped out on a few occasions and players got past him. Lossl kept us in the game with some great saves. That to me is shaky at the back. If you think the tactics and formation were wrong (and therefore it's likely you feel the same about other recent games) then why are you pulling me up saying that they can be criticised because right now we have awful football on show? We have not scored a goal from open play since February 29th. That is awful and dire. I started writing a detailed response but deleted it. I can’t be arsed. You think we were dire, I don’t. You thought the back 4 were shaky, I don’t. Your last paragraph sums up the debate. You keep changing your point. It started with calling the performance dire, then changed to having 1 shot as what you meant, now how many goals since February. Ill leave it be now. This word for word was my reply to someone who said those criticising the Cowleys should shut up. I have highlighted the bits in bold you seemingly didn't read. My point has not changed. "Yeah let's accept awful, dire performances devoid of all attacking intent and be happy we are narrowly close to the drop having not scored a goal in open play for nearly 5 months. "
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Post by Camel Grabber on Jul 15, 2020 11:54:59 GMT 1
Yes it is a good point every point counts and has. Them who are having a go at cowledy shut up Yeah let's accept awful, dire performances devoid of all attacking intent and be happy we are narrowly close to the drop having not scored a goal in open play for nearly 5 months. Should know by now positive lives up to his name. We could lose 8-0 away at Wigan and he would find something good about it
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Post by Camel Grabber on Jul 15, 2020 11:57:40 GMT 1
Spot on, being saying same for ages and he's no bully in the box either, put a big nasty centre back on his case and he goes missing. Free headers with a good ball in, fine. People forget how good Rhodes was of intercepting the diagonal cross to glance headers into a far corner that the keeper couldn't get to. Anticipation and execution and he wasn't particularly tall either. Yup. I think the Cowleys also agree and he'll hopefully get himself a decent move, been a good servant and good character but he's not the answer and you sometimes have to remind yourself he cost £12M when you see that first touch. A passenger most games, could probably do really well in the right league but not in England IMO. Mounie has one of the best touches in our team, controls well and rarely gives the ball away. Also one of the best finishes some of the coaches have seen too. source, before you ask, my contact on the inside.
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Post by crux on Jul 15, 2020 12:22:52 GMT 1
Yup. I think the Cowleys also agree and he'll hopefully get himself a decent move, been a good servant and good character but he's not the answer and you sometimes have to remind yourself he cost £12M when you see that first touch. A passenger most games, could probably do really well in the right league but not in England IMO. Mounie has one of the best touches in our team, controls well and rarely gives the ball away. Also one of the best finishes some of the coaches have seen too. source, before you ask, my contact on the inside. Who thinks that, Stevie Wonder? Mounie traps the ball further than I could ever kick it. He's got the turning circle of a supertanker. His movement is awful and he's not very quick. Apart from that he's OK 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2020 13:12:11 GMT 1
Saying it was awful and dire (which for starters was a comment on recent performances) is an opinion. You have a different opinion. I clearly thought it was or I wouldn't have said it. Toffolo was skinned every time at full back. Stearman jumped out on a few occasions and players got past him. Lossl kept us in the game with some great saves. That to me is shaky at the back. If you think the tactics and formation were wrong (and therefore it's likely you feel the same about other recent games) then why are you pulling me up saying that they can be criticised because right now we have awful football on show? We have not scored a goal from open play since February 29th. That is awful and dire. What about Campbell and Kacha's goals at Brum? Quite right otherwise.
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 15, 2020 13:17:37 GMT 1
Mounie has one of the best touches in our team, controls well and rarely gives the ball away. Also one of the best finishes some of the coaches have seen too. source, before you ask, my contact on the inside. Who thinks that, Stevie Wonder? Mounie traps the ball further than I could ever kick it. He's got the turning circle of a supertanker. His movement is awful and he's not very quick. Apart from that he's OK 😉 At one point in the first half last night he dropped deep. Took a lovely touch played a great ball Down the left wing. The subsequent cross was met by esr. Think we got a corner. When the camera showed it from a different angle mounie just walked forward after playing the great pass. Summed him up in 5 seconds. No heart
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Post by griffa on Jul 15, 2020 13:24:33 GMT 1
Yup. I think the Cowleys also agree and he'll hopefully get himself a decent move, been a good servant and good character but he's not the answer and you sometimes have to remind yourself he cost £12M when you see that first touch. A passenger most games, could probably do really well in the right league but not in England IMO. Mounie has one of the best touches in our team, controls well and rarely gives the ball away. Also one of the best finishes some of the coaches have seen too. source, before you ask, my contact on the inside. Hahaha, hilarious it's they way you tell em! -utt
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 15, 2020 13:29:07 GMT 1
Has anyone else given up on watching the Town games and just waiting and praying for a positive result at full-time? It's been so depressing and pretty dire to watch that I've actually stopped - I just hope we can limp over the finish line and start afresh next season. I never watch Town live on TV. Never. I’m a poor watcher of football on TV (or anything else, really), and watching Town would be too stressful, so I don’t bother. Being at the match itself is totally different, and is what football is about for me. That’s why I never have a problem going to other games as a neutral.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 15, 2020 13:31:37 GMT 1
Woken up this morning and the its all a bit mmeeeeh. Cant be bothered with it, not sure if its because its into July and its cricket season or I'm just bored by watching town. I was saying from day one that Chabolah couldn't play in midfield as he didn't see the picture behind him, his game was all in front of him, its taken professional football managers 9 months to see something that was obvious day one. I'll watch the last 2 games, but the longer the summer break is the better for me.... its really not inspiring me to renew my season tickets. The good news is that Frankiesleftpeg has just started a "summer transfer 2020" thread. I'm sure that will cheer you up.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 15, 2020 13:34:28 GMT 1
Has anyone else given up on watching the Town games and just waiting and praying for a positive result at full-time? It's been so depressing and pretty dire to watch that I've actually stopped - I just hope we can limp over the finish line and start afresh next season. I never watch Town live on TV. Never. I’m a poor watcher of football on TV (or anything else, really), and watching Town would be too stressful, so I don’t bother. Being at the match itself is totally different, and is what football is about for me. That’s why I never have a problem going to other games as a neutral. A few years ago I had one of the 24hr blood pressure monitors on. It coincided with our night away game against West Ham when we lost 2-0. When the Doc got the results he asked what on earth I'd been doing between 19:45 and 21:45 in the evening.
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Post by sabailand on Jul 15, 2020 14:43:17 GMT 1
Last three away games have shown that we have it in us (yes i know our next game is at home) all without conceding, surely we have enough in the tank for one final `performance`, admittedly our goalscoring or lack of is concerning, thats got to end sometime though. Lots and lots of doom and gloom on here, and while its understandable we still have a good chance of staying up with less points than many anticipate.
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Post by terriers321 on Jul 15, 2020 15:09:31 GMT 1
Mmm, Andy Booth was slow but put the ball on his bonce and guess where it ended up ? Play to his strength for gods sake It’s easier to slag him off rather than understand that the lack of quality service to him is the cause. A 12 million pound striker should display more than the one attribute he has which is pretty much having to cross the ball precisely on his bonce in a dangerous area to score. He cant even hold it up all that well he ends up heading it to nobody, his link up plays crap, he has no pace and his touch in general is dreadful. This is the third season weve had him, hes had the odd very rare moment but in general we know what hes all about and it isnt working. Time for a change. It cant get much worst can it.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 15, 2020 15:59:35 GMT 1
It’s easier to slag him off rather than understand that the lack of quality service to him is the cause. A 12 million pound striker should display more than the one attribute he has which is pretty much having to cross the ball precisely on his bonce in a dangerous area to score. He cant even hold it up all that well he ends up heading it to nobody, his link up plays crap, he has no pace and his touch in general is dreadful. This is the third season weve had him, hes had the odd very rare moment but in general we know what hes all about and it isnt working. Time for a change. It cant get much worst can it. Yes. Much worse.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 15, 2020 17:08:19 GMT 1
I never watch Town live on TV. Never. I’m a poor watcher of football on TV (or anything else, really), and watching Town would be too stressful, so I don’t bother. Being at the match itself is totally different, and is what football is about for me. That’s why I never have a problem going to other games as a neutral. A few years ago I had one of the 24hr blood pressure monitors on. It coincided with our night away game against West Ham when we lost 2-0. When the Doc got the results he asked what on earth I'd been doing between 19:45 and 21:45 in the evening. Watching football that old chestnut
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Post by bogart on Jul 15, 2020 17:20:32 GMT 1
It’s easier to slag him off rather than understand that the lack of quality service to him is the cause. A 12 million pound striker should display more than the one attribute he has which is pretty much having to cross the ball precisely on his bonce in a dangerous area to score. He cant even hold it up all that well he ends up heading it to nobody, his link up plays crap, he has no pace and his touch in general is dreadful. This is the third season weve had him, hes had the odd very rare moment but in general we know what hes all about and it isnt working. Time for a change. It cant get much worst can it. Totally agree. Everybody bangs on about he will score goals if given the service. Maybe true but is a slightly narrow field of opportunity. You need a centre forward who can out muscle the opponent and make them make mistakes, Mounie does none of that.
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Post by yappledapple on Jul 15, 2020 17:21:51 GMT 1
I never watch Town live on TV. Never. I’m a poor watcher of football on TV (or anything else, really), and watching Town would be too stressful, so I don’t bother. Being at the match itself is totally different, and is what football is about for me. That’s why I never have a problem going to other games as a neutral. A few years ago I had one of the 24hr blood pressure monitors on. It coincided with our night away game against West Ham when we lost 2-0. When the Doc got the results he asked what on earth I'd been doing between 19:45 and 21:45 in the evening. Couldn’t you have winked knowingly at the doctor and said a romantic night in 😉
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 15, 2020 17:36:48 GMT 1
A few years ago I had one of the 24hr blood pressure monitors on. It coincided with our night away game against West Ham when we lost 2-0. When the Doc got the results he asked what on earth I'd been doing between 19:45 and 21:45 in the evening. Couldn’t you have winked knowingly at the doctor and said a romantic night in 😉 Two hours? Ten minutes more like I'm married!
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