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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 22:54:02 GMT 1
Apart from last Friday we have become hard to score against which may well see us over the line. Yes I would have preferred more attacking intent but given Hull thrashing at Wigan & Luton only drawing at home the QPR I think this is a very useful point indeed. Yes it is a good point every point counts and has. Them who are having a go at cowley give up
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Post by impact on Jul 14, 2020 22:55:34 GMT 1
Apart from last Friday we have become hard to score against which may well see us over the line. Yes I would have preferred more attacking intent but given Hull thrashing at Wigan & Luton only drawing at home the QPR I think this is a very useful point indeed. Yes it is a good point every point counts and has. Them who are having a go at cowledy shut up Yeah let's accept awful, dire performances devoid of all attacking intent and be happy we are narrowly close to the drop having not scored a goal in open play for nearly 5 months.
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Post by northnottsblue on Jul 14, 2020 23:01:21 GMT 1
Draws will keep us up.Hull,Barnsley and Charlton ( if they don’t win tomorrow) to go down.
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Post by softboy on Jul 14, 2020 23:02:50 GMT 1
When the country went into lockdown we were 3 points above the bottom 3 - 7 games later we are still 3 points above the bottom 3. The order of things may have changed but the overall position hasn't so whilst our performances have been poor and we cannot score goals we have kept things pretty tight at the back recently (apart from the Luton game) which has allowed things to tick over - be it slowly. For those who say "things are out of our hands" I would be interested to know which of the teams below us you would like to change places with.
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Post by gingerc on Jul 14, 2020 23:12:50 GMT 1
Ok, a cold alcoholic drink later I'm going to try and see the positives from tonight on the basis I didn't have to endure watching the match or seeing Campbell's miss (although I did get a lot of texts from Weds fans laughing about it).
1. Most people in the poll on this thread thought we'd lose this match which we didn't and so a point exceeds a lot of people's expectations. 2. QPR's equaliser was a godsend so Luton a) didn't get three points and b) didn't get a bigger lift about their chances of survival. 3. Hull's battering may further damage them psychologically going into the last two games (although they are playing Luton next which could be seen as a double edged sword). 4. If we get one more point in our last two games eeked out through another 0-0 then if Luton and Hull draw and even win their last game we would all be on 49pts but probably be above them on GD. Barnsley will have to win 2 out of their 3 last games to get to 49pts and then it'd be tight on GD.
I admit the above are overly optimistic slant on yet another disappointing performance but it is the hope that kills you.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Jul 14, 2020 23:13:33 GMT 1
If both Hull and Luton lose one more game they will not be able to catch us. I have a feeling we are already safe, but one more point will more or less guarantee it.
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Post by Clark W Griswald (CAS) on Jul 14, 2020 23:13:59 GMT 1
Mmm, Andy Booth was slow but put the ball on his bonce and guess where it ended up ? Play to his strength for gods sake It’s easier to slag him off rather than understand that the lack of quality service to him is the cause. And that's my point, did Jordan Rhodes cover every single blade of grass ? Very few goalscorers are multi faceted. Play to their strengths though and they will deliver
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 23:16:53 GMT 1
When the country went into lockdown we were 3 points above the bottom 3 - 7 games later we are still 3 points above the bottom 3. The order of things may have changed but the overall position hasn't so whilst our performances have been poor and we cannot score goals we have kept things pretty tight at the back recently (apart from the Luton game) which has allowed things to tick over - be it slowly. For those who say "things are out of our hands" I would be interested to know which of the teams below us you would like to change places with. It's a bloody tough watch though. But you are right in what you say. The worry is that we are totally devoid of attacking intent (scored in open play in just one of the last eight games) and the Cowleys are clueless when it comes to changing the pattern of a game and that we get caught out so often on the restart after breaks (half times, drinks break - we were nearly done tonight). Massive overhaul, on and off the pitch in the 'close season', including the management and backroom staff. I don't envy the job given the short window.
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Post by gingerc on Jul 14, 2020 23:24:06 GMT 1
When the country went into lockdown we were 3 points above the bottom 3 - 7 games later we are still 3 points above the bottom 3. The order of things may have changed but the overall position hasn't so whilst our performances have been poor and we cannot score goals we have kept things pretty tight at the back recently (apart from the Luton game) which has allowed things to tick over - be it slowly. For those who say "things are out of our hands" I would be interested to know which of the teams below us you would like to change places with. Possibly Charlton as their game in hand is Birmingham and they can't buy even a draw having lost their last 4 - I mean even we stuffed them?! That would get them to 49pts and put them above us and Birmingham heading into the last two games. However, I do acknowledge the old adage that it'd better to have points in the bank than games in hand...
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Post by ACW on Jul 14, 2020 23:26:26 GMT 1
It’s easier to slag him off rather than understand that the lack of quality service to him is the cause. And that's my point, did Jordan Rhodes cover every single blade of grass ? Very few goalscorers are multi faceted. Play to their strengths though and they will deliver I agree that we don't give Mounie enough of the service he thrives on. That said, at one point in the first half Grant appeared to have a go at Mounie for not moving to the far post for a corner he signalled was going in that direction. Perhaps it was miscommunication, maybe it was just a lack of movement from Mounie. I think with Mounie the problem is both the player and the service. We don't give him the service he wants, but he does not exactly bust a gut to make the most of the service he does get. And his movement/anticipation in the box has never been a strong point. He rarely seems to be able to make space for himself in the box, or make runs across/behind defenders. But he has scored goals this season when the service is right. Our service to all our strikers is generally poor, but Mounie especially needs good service. He's not going to create much himself.
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Post by jim59 on Jul 14, 2020 23:34:50 GMT 1
The worrying thing is when we lose a lot of the current players and most will say no great loss. Our finances will be in such a parlours stae that we might y face the same issues again if we go down.
The club reeks of demise. Seen it before over the years and the pattern is familiar.
DH was able to inject new life into us when we were languishing in league one. His financial clout made us a big fish in the lower league pond. Unfortunately we might well be consigned to the nether regions for some time.
It's such a pity DH chose the exit route he did. Given his statement that he could have sold to a foreign investor it seems strange he chose the route of repayment from parachute payments as the source of capital to repay his directors loans. DH must have known it would hamstring the club going forward.
Perhaps as has been suggested a foreign investor wouldn't have been so willing to clear the debt to him but surely they could have worked a repayment schedule.
I have no understanding of DH business interests it may be that he needed the money to support other aspects of his finances.
TBH I just don't get it. Given DH undoubted business acumen why would he choose to do this?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 23:41:40 GMT 1
Other than the final action it was a good performance.
Tee to green we were good.
We changed our pressing against a back five. They have two channel running forwards who are mobile.
But we got good pressure on the ball.
Apologies for my comment earlier about Cowley's post match comment regarding numbers etc. From the above, it seems it's not Netball he has in the morning but golf. Or Swimming. Or caravans. Not got a clue to be fair
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 14, 2020 23:44:44 GMT 1
The best word in football for us right now?
Default...
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 14, 2020 23:49:19 GMT 1
We had one player on the bench who could potentially change the game. The same player who is probably the best crosser of the ball, the best free kick taker, the only player cable of shooting from outside the box. Bacuna most have pissed the Cowleys off good and proper to not get a single minute of action tonight.
The Cowleys are utterly clueless in knowing how to change a game and their substitutions are woeful. My support for them is rapidly wearing thin and if they fail to keep us up then they have to pay the price for me.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 14, 2020 23:50:30 GMT 1
It’s easier to slag him off rather than understand that the lack of quality service to him is the cause. And that's my point, did Jordan Rhodes cover every single blade of grass ? Very few goalscorers are multi faceted. Play to their strengths though and they will deliver There is only one player in our team who regularly plays precise passes to Mounié and that’s our goalkeeper.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jul 14, 2020 23:54:56 GMT 1
I cant get over Wigan. One win in 17 in the middle of the season and now they have conceded in just one of their last 12 matches....a staggering turnaround. If they stay up with 12 deducted it will be an amazing achievement but also highlight how poor some teams are.
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Post by impact on Jul 14, 2020 23:56:12 GMT 1
Sooner he goes the better. He might be a nice guy but he just isnt very good. Mmm, Andy Booth was slow but put the ball on his bonce and guess where it ended up ? Play to his strength for gods sake You didn't have to put the ball directly onto Boothy's head, you had to put it somewhere in the box and he'd do the rest. Similarly with Rhodes it was his movement that got him so many headed goals rather than aerial prowess. With Mounie if you don't put the ball exactly where he's standing you have no chance. He doesn't make space for himself, he doesn't look to get in front of defenders and he doesn't anticipate anything.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 15, 2020 0:04:44 GMT 1
My take, after letting it all sink in. I was generally pleased with the effort we put in tonight apart as usual, from the final third ( front zone in Cowley speak) In Chalobah we seem to have solved the right back problem - he’s been a revelation since moving there and looks a class player to me. O’Brien was back to his best and worked well with Hogg . Interesting that Hogg was criticised in the first half for going backwards. I wouldn’t be surprised if he was playing to orders as it seems that our first half game plan is to keep things tight and hold onto possession at all costs. 2nd half he was more positive with his passing. Lossl is a great keeper and kept us in the game. It’s clear that our main problem is upfront. Grant is poor at the moment but could of scored. ESR is a good player but has a poor shot. No point playing Mounié if we are not going to get quality crosses to him. I don’t think we are a million miles away and I can see us giving WBA a good game on Friday.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jul 15, 2020 0:09:00 GMT 1
Mmm, Andy Booth was slo hi uhw but put the ball on his bonce and guess where it ended up ? Play to his strength for gods sake You didn't have to put the ball directly onto Boothy's head, you had to put it somewhere in the box and he'd do the rest. Similarly with Rhodes it was his movement that got him so many headed goals rather than aerial prowess. With Mounie if you don't put the ball exactly where he's standing you have no chance. He doesn't make space for himself, he doesn't look to get in front of defenders and he doesn't anticipate anything. Spot on, being saying same for ages and he's no bully in the box either, put a big nasty centre back on his case and he goes missing. Free headers with a good ball in, fine. People forget how good Rhodes was of intercepting the diagonal cross to glance headers into a far corner that the keeper couldn't get to. Anticipation and execution and he wasn't particularly tall either.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 15, 2020 0:13:05 GMT 1
One positive tonight is that Stearman & Schindler showed once again that they are our best central defensive pairing. Some folk prefer Stankovic but the stats show that tonight's pairing is clearly our best. Also special praise to Lossl and Chalobah, who continues to excel at right back. Toffolo good going forward but I'd play Brown behind him to strengthen that side.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 15, 2020 0:13:53 GMT 1
Mmm, Andy Booth was slow but put the ball on his bonce and guess where it ended up ? Play to his strength for gods sake You didn't have to put the ball directly onto Boothy's head, you had to put it somewhere in the box and he'd do the rest. Similarly with Rhodes it was his movement that got him so many headed goals rather than aerial prowess. With Mounie if you don't put the ball exactly where he's standing you have no chance. He doesn't make space for himself, he doesn't look to get in front of defenders and he doesn't anticipate anything. Totally agree and you can add his ball control, which is like something youd nomally see from an average pub league player. I thought the general performance was decent tonight. Same problems as always though in that once were in the final third ,the killer pass or shot just isnt there. They had the better of the chances and missed a sitter, but we had the better of the general play and missed a sitter too. Draw a fair result IMO 2 very tough games now, so might have to hope weve already got enough.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 15, 2020 0:17:08 GMT 1
You didn't have to put the ball directly onto Boothy's head, you had to put it somewhere in the box and he'd do the rest. Similarly with Rhodes it was his movement that got him so many headed goals rather than aerial prowess. With Mounie if you don't put the ball exactly where he's standing you have no chance. He doesn't make space for himself, he doesn't look to get in front of defenders and he doesn't anticipate anything. Spot on, being saying same for ages and he's no bully in the box either, put a big nasty centre back on his case and he goes missing. Free headers with a good ball in, fine. People forget how good Rhodes was of intercepting the diagonal cross to glance headers into a far corner that the keeper couldn't get to. Anticipation and execution and he wasn't particularly tall either. We had Pilkington, Roberts and Ward putting the crosses in back then. All of them were far better crosses of a ball than anybody we've had since. Agree on Rhodes' movement though, which was excellent.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jul 15, 2020 0:28:32 GMT 1
Yes it is a good point every point counts and has. Them who are having a go at cowledy shut up Yeah let's accept awful, dire performances devoid of all attacking intent and be happy we are narrowly close to the drop having not scored a goal in open play for nearly 5 months. Really? Is that including the 3 months or so where there was no play at all due to the shutdown of football in Corona times. Thus, effectively, actually 2 months. Or are we going back to December or so?
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Post by ACW on Jul 15, 2020 0:37:46 GMT 1
Yeah let's accept awful, dire performances devoid of all attacking intent and be happy we are narrowly close to the drop having not scored a goal in open play for nearly 5 months. Really? Is that including the 3 months or so where there was no play at all due to the shutdown of football in Corona times. Thus, effectively, actually 2 months. Or are we going back to December or so? Two months without scoring from open play is still very poor. And how many good chances have we created in that time? Not many. At the moment we are relying on keeping the opposition out rather than scoring goals to win games. That puts an awful lot of pressure on our defence, which cannot always be relied upon to keep clean sheets.
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Post by impact on Jul 15, 2020 0:42:26 GMT 1
Yeah let's accept awful, dire performances devoid of all attacking intent and be happy we are narrowly close to the drop having not scored a goal in open play for nearly 5 months. Really? Is that including the 3 months or so where there was no play at all due to the shutdown of football in Corona times. Thus, effectively, actually 2 months. Or are we going back to December or so? 29th Feb when we beat Charlton 4-0.
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Post by impact on Jul 15, 2020 0:44:03 GMT 1
Spot on, being saying same for ages and he's no bully in the box either, put a big nasty centre back on his case and he goes missing. Free headers with a good ball in, fine. People forget how good Rhodes was of intercepting the diagonal cross to glance headers into a far corner that the keeper couldn't get to. Anticipation and execution and he wasn't particularly tall either. We had Pilkington, Roberts and Ward putting the crosses in back then. All of them were far better crosses of a ball than anybody we've had since. Agree on Rhodes' movement though, which was excellent. The question were many of those balls from those players good, or did Rhodes make them look good? For example look at the 2 crosses from the 5 v Wycombe. I don't think either of those balls are amazing, but they were turned into very good balls by his movement. Those wide angle shots show just how good a striker he was and how much he moved in the box. With Mounie the last one in particular would look like an awful ball because he'd still be stood in the middle.
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Post by specialun on Jul 15, 2020 1:35:56 GMT 1
Lossl - Huge difference. Grabara / Ward / Coleman / Hamer don’t save the Harris shot tonight
We’ve conceded 17 in last 14 with Lossl @ 1.21 a game. 6 clean sheets in 14
Prior to that 48 in 30 @ 1.6 a game. 4 clean sheets in 30
Stearman on the whole has done well as part of that bar the odd few games.
Another point - but thought we could have brought on Bacuna as a wildcard tonight for Grant.
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Post by Convictatthemac on Jul 15, 2020 2:34:36 GMT 1
After the dross that’s been served up recently, I decided interrupting my sleep wasn’t worth it and it looks like that decision has been vindicated. 😴
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Post by terriers321 on Jul 15, 2020 6:21:04 GMT 1
Sooner he goes the better. He might be a nice guy but he just isnt very good. Mmm, Andy Booth was slow but put the ball on his bonce and guess where it ended up ? Play to his strength for gods sake How long have we been saying that now. Best thing for us and for him would be to sell on.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jul 15, 2020 6:36:18 GMT 1
Yes it is a good point every point counts and has. Them who are having a go at cowledy shut up Yeah let's accept awful, dire performances devoid of all attacking intent and be happy we are narrowly close to the drop having not scored a goal in open play for nearly 5 months. I know you are not but with that comment above you sound like one of those armchair supporting, PlayStation era, spotty kid, football ‘fan’ who thinks the word revolves around Premier League. If you think that was an awful, dire performance then you need to wake up. Yes, it was lacking up top, not for the want of Toffolo, ESR and O’Brien trying though. How many times did they burst forward or do you care not to warrant that with acknowledgement? We are very poor up front but to call that performance dire and awful is unwarranted and uneducated. You don’t all have to be sheep. You can have a view that is different to the masses.
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