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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 16, 2020 15:34:39 GMT 1
Wagner will have known all about who sobhi was. Hed recently played against us and scored! Its probably true that he himself wouldnt have gone scouting around europe looking for targets. Doubt many modern managers do. But by the time we were signing Diakhaby and Mbenza etc hed been our manager for 2 1/2 years and had had ample time to put in place a scouting network he trusted to work for him. Im pretty sure wagner will have been instrumental in Rebbe getting the job here for one. He'll have worked on a daily basis with Kongolo for 6 months and should have got a good grip on the player's character. And whilst im sure the system worked where he would tell these scouts to source him a particular type of player, the ultimate decision was his on whether we bought them or not. He'll have gone and watched a game if there was one to watch, it being the close season. He'll have watched as many videos of games as he could and he'll have talked to as many people he could who would have an opinion. And hell have made his ultimate call from that. And it was his call. Then he'll have approached Hoyle and persuaded him to cough up whatever we had to to buy the player. I think he decided we needed a quick wide player to feed Mounie, went out and bought 3 for some reason, and quickly realised none of them were any good to the point we couldnt play that way. It was a disastrous piece of management which not only ruined his whole strategy for the upcoming season and chucked away an enormous amount of our money, but one that we will still be totally hamstrung by 3 years later.
Being close season I would imagine Wagner will have been spending a bit of time with his family and chilling a little, Rather than watching loads of videos of players, Give over.
You think thats what managers do all summer? Put their feet up because theres no games on?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 15:50:25 GMT 1
Being close season I would imagine Wagner will have been spending a bit of time with his family and chilling a little, Rather than watching loads of videos of players, Give over.
You think thats what managers do all summer? Put their feet up because theres no games on?
No, They will have a jolly with their family, take a break and hope that the lads they have already chosen as potential signings will be sorted by the guys that sort the signings.
They certainly will not spend loads of time watching football videos in the 3 weeks they have off before planning pre season, friendlies etc.
No wonder Wagner fucked off, He did everything, Improved nigh on everything and hardly ever stopped working, He worked himself to a stand still because we didn't get the right people in to support him,,,, That was Hoyles fault.
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Post by royrace on Jul 16, 2020 15:53:25 GMT 1
Wagner will have known all about who sobhi was. Hed recently played against us and scored! Its probably true that he himself wouldnt have gone scouting around europe looking for targets. Doubt many modern managers do. But by the time we were signing Diakhaby and Mbenza etc hed been our manager for 2 1/2 years and had had ample time to put in place a scouting network he trusted to work for him. Im pretty sure wagner will have been instrumental in Rebbe getting the job here for one. He'll have worked on a daily basis with Kongolo for 6 months and should have got a good grip on the player's character. And whilst im sure the system worked where he would tell these scouts to source him a particular type of player, the ultimate decision was his on whether we bought them or not. He'll have gone and watched a game if there was one to watch, it being the close season. He'll have watched as many videos of games as he could and he'll have talked to as many people he could who would have an opinion. And hell have made his ultimate call from that. And it was his call. Then he'll have approached Hoyle and persuaded him to cough up whatever we had to to buy the player. I think he decided we needed a quick wide player to feed Mounie, went out and bought 3 for some reason, and quickly realised none of them were any good to the point we couldnt play that way. It was a disastrous piece of management which not only ruined his whole strategy for the upcoming season and chucked away an enormous amount of our money, but one that we will still be totally hamstrung by 3 years later. Blaming it on Wagner is IMO laughable, I can see why some are very keen to do it mind. Even if it was all Wagner (it wasn't), the club would have to be idiotic not to do ridiculous amounts of due diligence on players they're about to spunk tens of millions on. My due diligence consisted of 5 minutes on the internet and it confirmed all three were massively over-priced and likely to fail. One of them had just spent a season in the same league just down the road showing he wasnt up to it. He couldn't even get in the Egypt team at the world cup, kept out by players plying their trade in the arab league yet we pay £5M for him and expect him to be PL quality. Madness.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 16, 2020 15:56:25 GMT 1
Rebbe did the shortlist with his team: "My role was to source the targets for David, working with the recruitment team, and it was a very intense time. We have a small group, but a decisive one and that allows us to react very quickly to opportunities." - www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/olaf-rebbe-describes-role-sporting-15184255 They came up with a terrible list. It was like giving Lewis Hamilton a choice of milk floats to pick from and wondering why he's slower than the other F1 drivers Once Wagner had seen the new players in training he realised they were well short and never played them. The only exception being Durn, who clearly came for Wagner
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 16, 2020 16:03:29 GMT 1
Wagners strength was man management. Most of the players and most of the fanbase would have run through a brick wall for him, even before he took us up. Contrary to revisionism he was also a decent tactician, you have to view his 'failures' in the context of the budget he had and the players we were up against. And he turned average champ players like Hogg and Smith into top ones for a period of time, like Bielsa has done with half that Leeds squad who prior to his arrival were crap. What he probably wasn't was someone who went home and watched every game of football on TV and had an encyclopaedic knowledge of European football - He barely knew who HTFC were, even I know who all the Bundesliga 2 teams are and even most of the 3Liga. It's obvious most of the initial signings came from his knowledge of German football and players he had come up against, with gaps filled in by Webber. The latter should have been recognised from above, Wagner needed help in the scouting and signings aspect, and it wasn't forthcoming. He was the classic Head Coach. The amount of time we spent with no DOF (or whatever we're choosing to call the role), or the amount of DOFs we've lost by not being competitive on wages, or the frankly L1 standard scouting network we operate (Ross Wilson quote, not mine) is down to the owner. Anyone who thinks Wagner was actively seeking Diakhaby or Mbenza is delusional. He blatantly asked for quick wide men given who we were linked with that summer and if the only decent one on your list goes to Wolves and the rest you are presented with aren't good enough because the scouting is crap and the wages uncompetitive that's not the managers fault. Where would he even have seen Diakhaby other than whatever footage we as a club presented to him? Do folk think he was spending 12 hours a day at Canalside then going home and flicking BT sport on to watch Montpellier v Guimgamp, or even flying to France between Town games? EXACTLY. Anyone who thinks Wagner scouted Diakbenza, Sobhi and and Ben Hamer is living in cloud cuckoo land. I've heard both Dean and Phil basically say that Wagner asked for wingers and then didn't play them whilst completely failing to take into account that all three are total and utter dogshit, even at champ level let alone PL. So much so that he changed the whole system to avoid having to use them. Do people seriously think he'd have done that had he hand picked them himself? He didn't even give them a sniff, hopefully now we can all see and agree why that was. I find it baffling, its almost like those culpable are being allowed to deflect any blame onto the manager. "Wrong players, not bad players"? My arse. Diakhaby was number one on DW's list of 'wants'.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 16, 2020 16:03:45 GMT 1
Rebbe did the shortlist with his team: "My role was to source the targets for David, working with the recruitment team, and it was a very intense time. We have a small group, but a decisive one and that allows us to react very quickly to opportunities." - www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/olaf-rebbe-describes-role-sporting-15184255 They came up with a terrible list. It was like giving Lewis Hamilton a choice of milk floats to pick from and wondering why he's slower than the other F1 drivers Once Wagner had seen the new players in training he realised they were well short and never played them. The only exception being Durn, who clearly came for Wagner Exactly this. If clubs are employing “ specialists “ to do specific jobs within the club then they are expected to do this job which is designed to reduce the workload of the coach - otherwise why employ these people? Now you know why, over the years, so many managers/ coaches have left their jobs due to disagreements etc with “Heads of Football”
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Post by andyboothscat on Jul 16, 2020 16:03:50 GMT 1
Wagner will have known all about who sobhi was. Hed recently played against us and scored! Its probably true that he himself wouldnt have gone scouting around europe looking for targets. Doubt many modern managers do. But by the time we were signing Diakhaby and Mbenza etc hed been our manager for 2 1/2 years and had had ample time to put in place a scouting network he trusted to work for him. Im pretty sure wagner will have been instrumental in Rebbe getting the job here for one. He'll have worked on a daily basis with Kongolo for 6 months and should have got a good grip on the player's character. And whilst im sure the system worked where he would tell these scouts to source him a particular type of player, the ultimate decision was his on whether we bought them or not. He'll have gone and watched a game if there was one to watch, it being the close season. He'll have watched as many videos of games as he could and he'll have talked to as many people he could who would have an opinion. And hell have made his ultimate call from that. And it was his call. Then he'll have approached Hoyle and persuaded him to cough up whatever we had to to buy the player. I think he decided we needed a quick wide player to feed Mounie, went out and bought 3 for some reason, and quickly realised none of them were any good to the point we couldnt play that way. It was a disastrous piece of management which not only ruined his whole strategy for the upcoming season and chucked away an enormous amount of our money, but one that we will still be totally hamstrung by 3 years later. Blaming it on Wagner is IMO laughable, I can see why some are very keen to do it mind. Even if it was all Wagner (it wasn't), the club would have to be idiotic not to do ridiculous amounts of due diligence on players they're about to spunk tens of millions on. My due diligence consisted of 5 minutes on the internet and it confirmed all three were massively over-priced and likely to fail. One of them had just spent a season in the same league just down the road showing he wasnt up to it. He couldn't even get in the Egypt team at the world cup, kept out by players plying their trade in the arab league yet we pay £5M for him and expect him to be PL quality. Madness. DH has already accepted full blame for the shortcomings of last season and said that he bears full responsibility which for me exonerates DW.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 16:06:16 GMT 1
Wagner will have known all about who sobhi was. Hed recently played against us and scored! Its probably true that he himself wouldnt have gone scouting around europe looking for targets. Doubt many modern managers do. But by the time we were signing Diakhaby and Mbenza etc hed been our manager for 2 1/2 years and had had ample time to put in place a scouting network he trusted to work for him. Im pretty sure wagner will have been instrumental in Rebbe getting the job here for one. He'll have worked on a daily basis with Kongolo for 6 months and should have got a good grip on the player's character. And whilst im sure the system worked where he would tell these scouts to source him a particular type of player, the ultimate decision was his on whether we bought them or not. He'll have gone and watched a game if there was one to watch, it being the close season. He'll have watched as many videos of games as he could and he'll have talked to as many people he could who would have an opinion. And hell have made his ultimate call from that. And it was his call. Then he'll have approached Hoyle and persuaded him to cough up whatever we had to to buy the player. I think he decided we needed a quick wide player to feed Mounie, went out and bought 3 for some reason, and quickly realised none of them were any good to the point we couldnt play that way. It was a disastrous piece of management which not only ruined his whole strategy for the upcoming season and chucked away an enormous amount of our money, but one that we will still be totally hamstrung by 3 years later. Blaming it on Wagner is IMO laughable, I can see why some are very keen to do it mind. Even if it was all Wagner (it wasn't), the club would have to be idiotic not to do ridiculous amounts of due diligence on players they're about to spunk tens of millions on. My due diligence consisted of 5 minutes on the internet and it confirmed all three were massively over-priced and likely to fail. One of them had just spent a season in the same league just down the road showing he wasnt up to it. He couldn't even get in the Egypt team at the world cup, kept out by players plying their trade in the arab league yet we pay £5M for him and expect him to be PL quality. Madness.
Sobhi signing came across as a brain fart by somebody who looked at his stats and thought Egypts Messi with 20 million Egyptian followers, We could utilise this and make ourselves one of the most popular club in Egypt = sponsors and cash.
Or somebody said " fuck me the two French greyhounds we signed have no technique and cant pass, get the young lad to look for a winger with high numbers in technique and passing, bugger the pace this time "
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2020 16:11:04 GMT 1
EXACTLY. Anyone who thinks Wagner scouted Diakbenza, Sobhi and and Ben Hamer is living in cloud cuckoo land. I've heard both Dean and Phil basically say that Wagner asked for wingers and then didn't play them whilst completely failing to take into account that all three are total and utter dogshit, even at champ level let alone PL. So much so that he changed the whole system to avoid having to use them. Do people seriously think he'd have done that had he hand picked them himself? He didn't even give them a sniff, hopefully now we can all see and agree why that was. I find it baffling, its almost like those culpable are being allowed to deflect any blame onto the manager. "Wrong players, not bad players"? My arse. Diakhaby was number one on DW's list of 'wants'.
You sure ? I thought it was Traore and we couldn't afford him, Then it was the other Belgian lad who turned us down and went to Nantes instead.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 16, 2020 16:13:36 GMT 1
Its not the Head Coaches job to go and employ scouts is it. That's the clubs job. He also probably wasn't involved in the finances of any of the deals, if he was that would certainly be unusual in modern management. The head coach will have a lot of say in who the club employs as scouts. I imagine most will want people they know and trust. And wagner will certainly have been instrumental in Rebbe joining I would have thought. They hadnt previously directly worked together but wagner will have known him and been aware of his work. There s no way IMO at that point the club would have appointed a DOF without wagners full backing and cooperation. Rebbe was probably recommended by Wagner. The finances of any deal will be arranged by the club. The manager has a budget to work within but if wagner tells the club that Mbenza is a good buy at £12m, then the club will be guided by that opinion. They either back their managers valuation or they dont, which at the time would have probably meant DW taking one of the offers from other clubs that were after him Id have thought. We only know about the ones we actually got. Sure therell have been many others where wagner and his scouting team said player x is worth say £10m but the selling club wanted £15m, so it never happened. No, they don't. Your vision of what a Head Coach or Manager does is Warnock in about 1994. They might bring a couple of analysts with them as Cowley did from Lincoln but not scouts. Might still be like that for a few of the old school managers, particularly in L2 and below, but its not the norm up here.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 16, 2020 16:14:39 GMT 1
EXACTLY. Anyone who thinks Wagner scouted Diakbenza, Sobhi and and Ben Hamer is living in cloud cuckoo land. I've heard both Dean and Phil basically say that Wagner asked for wingers and then didn't play them whilst completely failing to take into account that all three are total and utter dogshit, even at champ level let alone PL. So much so that he changed the whole system to avoid having to use them. Do people seriously think he'd have done that had he hand picked them himself? He didn't even give them a sniff, hopefully now we can all see and agree why that was. I find it baffling, its almost like those culpable are being allowed to deflect any blame onto the manager. "Wrong players, not bad players"? My arse. Diakhaby was number one on DW's list of 'wants'. Says who? Everyone left in the building?
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Post by joburgjon on Jul 16, 2020 16:15:48 GMT 1
Its not the Head Coaches job to go and employ scouts is it. That's the clubs job. He also probably wasn't involved in the finances of any of the deals, if he was that would certainly be unusual in modern management. The head coach will have a lot of say in who the club employs as scouts. I imagine most will want people they know and trust. And wagner will certainly have been instrumental in Rebbe joining I would have thought. They hadnt previously directly worked together but wagner will have known him and been aware of his work. There s no way IMO at that point the club would have appointed a DOF without wagners full backing and cooperation. Rebbe was probably recommended by Wagner. The finances of any deal will be arranged by the club. The manager has a budget to work within but if wagner tells the club that Mbenza is a good buy at £12m, then the club will be guided by that opinion. They either back their managers valuation or they dont, which at the time would have probably meant DW taking one of the offers from other clubs that were after him Id have thought. We only know about the ones we actually got. Sure therell have been many others where wagner and his scouting team said player x is worth say £10m but the selling club wanted £15m, so it never happened. The Head Coach will have no say in who the club appoints as Scouts, unless he actually brings a Head Scout with him when he joins the club. The Head Coach will tell the person who manages the recruitment team, which includes the scouts, what positions he wants to strengthen and what type of players he wants the scouts to look for. Recruitment team will then go look for these type of players in these positions and bring their suggestions to the person who manages the Recruitment team. Those that are then involved in deciding who the club make offers for will discuss the options that have been brought to them. Someone in that group will have the final say. David Wagner himself always said he had the final say at Town
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 16, 2020 16:25:40 GMT 1
Diakhaby was number one on DW's list of 'wants'. Says who? Everyone left in the building? You sure ? I thought it was Traore and we couldn't afford him, Then it was the other Belgian lad who turned us down and went to Nantes instead. " We bought into a data based scouting network. David Moss produced a comprehensive list meeting David Wagner's requirements. David Wagner then made his selections. Diakhaby was DWs No1 choice and he was adamant. Wagner had lost his way by then."
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 16:27:02 GMT 1
Diakhaby was number one on DW's list of 'wants'. Says who? Everyone left in the building? Dean Hoyle said it in an interview when Wagner was still at the club.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 16:27:53 GMT 1
You cannot give Wagner all the plaudits for the signings in his first season without criticising him for the signings during the PL years. He either had final say on players or he didn't, he couldn't have both.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 16:28:35 GMT 1
The head coach will have a lot of say in who the club employs as scouts. I imagine most will want people they know and trust. And wagner will certainly have been instrumental in Rebbe joining I would have thought. They hadnt previously directly worked together but wagner will have known him and been aware of his work. There s no way IMO at that point the club would have appointed a DOF without wagners full backing and cooperation. Rebbe was probably recommended by Wagner. The finances of any deal will be arranged by the club. The manager has a budget to work within but if wagner tells the club that Mbenza is a good buy at £12m, then the club will be guided by that opinion. They either back their managers valuation or they dont, which at the time would have probably meant DW taking one of the offers from other clubs that were after him Id have thought. We only know about the ones we actually got. Sure therell have been many others where wagner and his scouting team said player x is worth say £10m but the selling club wanted £15m, so it never happened. The Head Coach will have no say in who the club appoints as Scouts, unless he actually brings a Head Scout with him when he joins the club. The Head Coach will tell the person who manages the recruitment team, which includes the scouts, what positions he wants to strengthen and what type of players he wants the scouts to look for. Recruitment team will then go look for these type of players in these positions and bring their suggestions to the person who manages the Recruitment team. Those that are then involved in deciding who the club make offers for will discuss the options that have been brought to them. Someone in that group will have the final say. David Wagner himself always said he had the final say at Town David Wagner brought Olaf Rebbe in.
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Post by El Mel on Jul 16, 2020 16:29:00 GMT 1
Says who? Everyone left in the building? " We bought into a data based scouting network. David Moss produced a comprehensive list meeting David Wagner's requirements. David Wagner then made his selections. Diakhaby was DWs No1 choice and he was adamant. Wagner had lost his way by then."I've seen the video where Dean makes the comment about AD being Wagner's number one target, but can't find it anywhere now. Mind you, it was on the examiner website - so no surprises there.
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Post by joburgjon on Jul 16, 2020 16:38:50 GMT 1
Did he actually bring him in though. Do we know this is correct or are we assuming it to be correct
I've not seen it anywhere where it says Warner asked or told the club to bring him in.
I'm not saying that he didn't. Just that I've never seen or heard the club say Wagner wanted or requested Rebbe.
I've only ever seen it written on here
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 16, 2020 16:39:21 GMT 1
Says who? Everyone left in the building? You sure ? I thought it was Traore and we couldn't afford him, Then it was the other Belgian lad who turned us down and went to Nantes instead. " We bought into a data based scouting network. David Moss produced a comprehensive list meeting David Wagner's requirements. David Wagner then made his selections. Diakhaby was DWs No1 choice and he was adamant. Wagner had lost his way by then."Must be true then if Hoyle said it. Would happily criticise Wagner for the signing of some of the players he was almost certainly fully involved in btw, like Pritchard who he'd seen first hand and was never cut out for top flight football. Durm was 5 years past his sell by date and Sobhi was plain odd given his failure at Stoke.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 16:40:27 GMT 1
" We bought into a data based scouting network. David Moss produced a comprehensive list meeting David Wagner's requirements. David Wagner then made his selections. Diakhaby was DWs No1 choice and he was adamant. Wagner had lost his way by then."I've seen the video where Dean makes the comment about AD being Wagner's number one target, but can't find it anywhere now. Mind you, it was on the examiner website - so no surprises there.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 16:43:57 GMT 1
" We bought into a data based scouting network. David Moss produced a comprehensive list meeting David Wagner's requirements. David Wagner then made his selections. Diakhaby was DWs No1 choice and he was adamant. Wagner had lost his way by then."I've seen the video where Dean makes the comment about AD being Wagner's number one target, but can't find it anywhere now. Mind you, it was on the examiner website - so no surprises there. www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/dean-hoyle-huddersfield-town-100m-15146141
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 16, 2020 16:46:46 GMT 1
I've seen the video where Dean makes the comment about AD being Wagner's number one target, but can't find it anywhere now. Mind you, it was on the examiner website - so no surprises there. Well Hoyle also says in the same article "we have a really competitive wage bill"
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 16:48:55 GMT 1
Well Hoyle also says in the same article "we have a really competitive wage bill" Yeah you're right, he's lying
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Post by royrace on Jul 16, 2020 17:03:05 GMT 1
I've seen the video where Dean makes the comment about AD being Wagner's number one target, but can't find it anywhere now. Mind you, it was on the examiner website - so no surprises there. Also Mbenza was our number one target all summer according to Dean, it was obvious at the time that was complete BS too. You have a team of highly paid professionals and scouts specialising in recruitment and because the list, data, intelligence or whatever they supply to the manager is massively flawed its still the managers fault because he had the final say? Sorry but that's bollocks, same as its bollocks in any other organisation. You have to be able to trust the people you're paying to do the actual work. Wagner doesn't have the time to do due diligence on Adama Diakhaby and work out whether he's worth £8M. If he did you may as well sack the rest of them and save their salaries. Its a massive cop out and disingenuous for anyone at the club to trot out the line that Wagner had the final say on all transfers IMO but its obviously the official line along with 'wrong players not bad players'.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 16, 2020 17:06:38 GMT 1
Also Mbenza was our number one target all summer according to Dean, it was obvious at the time that was complete BS too. You have a team of highly paid professionals and scouts specialising in recruitment and because the list, data, intelligence or whatever they supply to the manager is massively flawed its still the managers fault because he had the final say? Sorry but that's bollocks, same as its bollocks in any other organisation. You have to be able to trust the people you're paying to do the actual work. Wagner doesn't have the time to do due diligence on Adama Diakhaby and work out whether he's worth £8M. If he did you may as well sack the rest of them and save their salaries. Its a massive cop out and disingenuous for anyone at the club to trot out the line that Wagner had the final say on all transfers IMO but its obviously the official line along with 'wrong players not bad players'. Have it your way, then. Yes. You're obviously right. Be happy.
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Post by clayts on Jul 16, 2020 17:15:55 GMT 1
Also Mbenza was our number one target all summer according to Dean, it was obvious at the time that was complete BS too. You have a team of highly paid professionals and scouts specialising in recruitment and because the list, data, intelligence or whatever they supply to the manager is massively flawed its still the managers fault because he had the final say? Sorry but that's bollocks, same as its bollocks in any other organisation. You have to be able to trust the people you're paying to do the actual work. Wagner doesn't have the time to do due diligence on Adama Diakhaby and work out whether he's worth £8M. If he did you may as well sack the rest of them and save their salaries. Its a massive cop out and disingenuous for anyone at the club to trot out the line that Wagner had the final say on all transfers IMO but its obviously the official line along with 'wrong players not bad players'. Have it your way, then. Yes. You're obviously right. Be happy. Yes Roger, I can't even be arsed responding to him. "Yes your honour, I've got it wrong but I'm going to convince you I was right".
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 16, 2020 17:20:28 GMT 1
The head coach will have a lot of say in who the club employs as scouts. I imagine most will want people they know and trust. And wagner will certainly have been instrumental in Rebbe joining I would have thought. They hadnt previously directly worked together but wagner will have known him and been aware of his work. There s no way IMO at that point the club would have appointed a DOF without wagners full backing and cooperation. Rebbe was probably recommended by Wagner. The finances of any deal will be arranged by the club. The manager has a budget to work within but if wagner tells the club that Mbenza is a good buy at £12m, then the club will be guided by that opinion. They either back their managers valuation or they dont, which at the time would have probably meant DW taking one of the offers from other clubs that were after him Id have thought. We only know about the ones we actually got. Sure therell have been many others where wagner and his scouting team said player x is worth say £10m but the selling club wanted £15m, so it never happened. No, they don't. Your vision of what a Head Coach or Manager does is Warnock in about 1994. They might bring a couple of analysts with them as Cowley did from Lincoln but not scouts. Might still be like that for a few of the old school managers, particularly in L2 and below, but its not the norm up here. Disagree totally. Of course they do. Scouts are part of the managers team and as such they'll have a big say in who the club employs, especially by the time theyve been at a club 2 1/2 years. Not talking about the local blokes who watch Meltham U12s, but the key blokes who the manager needs to trust and rely on to scout foreign leagues.
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 16, 2020 17:21:03 GMT 1
Rebbe did the shortlist with his team: "My role was to source the targets for David, working with the recruitment team, and it was a very intense time. We have a small group, but a decisive one and that allows us to react very quickly to opportunities." - www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/olaf-rebbe-describes-role-sporting-15184255 They came up with a terrible list. It was like giving Lewis Hamilton a choice of milk floats to pick from and wondering why he's slower than the other F1 drivers Once Wagner had seen the new players in training he realised they were well short and never played them. The only exception being Durn, who clearly came for Wagner I'm surprised we didn't sign Ernie. (One for the older fans).
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 16, 2020 17:24:33 GMT 1
What's that word for folk who rewrite history? Revisionists? It is very trendy at the moment (hi Boris et al, hi Russia, hi China, hi right wingers) and we seemingly have a lot on here.
Here's a thought. We will never, ever know what truly went wrong between PL season 1 and 2.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 16, 2020 17:27:05 GMT 1
Did he actually bring him in though. Do we know this is correct or are we assuming it to be correct I've not seen it anywhere where it says Warner asked or told the club to bring him in. I'm not saying that he didn't. Just that I've never seen or heard the club say Wagner wanted or requested Rebbe. I've only ever seen it written on here Its an assumption that its correct. Because its a lot more likely than we brought in a DOF from Germany who wagner will know all about without Wagner having a big say in it. I love wagner for what he did for this club,. but his signings, and they were his signings, whilst we were in the prem were dreadful and we are where we are because of them.
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