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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 3, 2020 19:28:48 GMT 1
Mounie no good in the air. I've read it all now. In truth, that's his only strength!
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Post by huddersfc on Sept 3, 2020 19:30:36 GMT 1
I honestly dont understand why people think that getting rid of Grant and Mounie would be such a good idea even for the money talked about.
Start with Grant, a player who has supposedly had his head turned and has been playing half arsed for half a season (nonsense in my opinion). 1 short of 20 goals in a team that must have been close to the worst attacking side in the Championship last season. Half the games we struggled to muster a single shot on goal. When we went forward there was no support and if we were lucky there would be 1 man in the box and 3 or 4 defenders. How many other Championship strikers would have got 19 goals last season in our team, mainly playing on the left wing? Yes, his touch let him down at times and he would choose the wrong option, he wasnt Lionel Messi with the ball at his feet, but when it came to finishing, for a Championship striker, he had some absolute class. Without his goals, I am almost certain we would have been in League 1 so factor that into his price tag. I think it was summed up nicely in that Bradford game the other day, the first half was almost more of the same from last year, but what got us back into the game. A fantastic finish from just outside the area. Who else is going to step up in our team with the quality of that finish on a regular basis?
Mounie, once again, another who supposedly couldnt be arsed according to some, wanted rid of him, waste of space etc. Without his goals I am pretty certain we would have been relegated in the first Premier League season. I remember the West Brom away game in that season, and the Soccer Saturday pundits were raving about him during and then after the match, saying he is the real deal and he has been quality for us in every game they had seen him in. Then as we struggled in the second season as we became more and more negative, his confidence took a battering and he wasnt the same player, but we didnt play to his strengths. That continued in the Championship but he had a resurgence when he got his confidence back and showed again what he was capable of, and then the Cowleys dropped him, so harshly in my opinion, and we went back to the negative rubbish playing for 0-0's to scrape over the line.
I honestly dont know what people expect from them after the football we have played in the last couple of seasons. The problem has so obviously in my opinion been in the midfield and the tactics, as soon as Mooy went and we didnt replace him. Our midfield has put pressure on both the defence and attack, because we had zero creativity. No-one to put their foot on the ball and pick a quality ball forward. No-one to spot a pass or a run. It was the same nearly everytime, and that was watching us pass it slowly around the midfield and back 4, without crossing the half way line, and as soon as any team put pressure on, they would win it back off us and attack.
We sell Grant and Mounie and its terrible business, unless we have replacements lined up who can score 20 in a Championship season.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 19:32:51 GMT 1
7 la liga games last season 4 europa league games and capped for spains under 21s slightly better level than Bockhorn dont you think ? Any excuse to moan i guess! Please tell me where I moaned?? I said I hope it is not Bockhorn #2. Bellend What are your thoughts on diakhaby? Signed by Monaco and has French caps at youth level. Also thoughts on mbenza who has Belgium u21 caps. Can go through many an Englishman to have been capped several times for the u21s and had a shit career hahahaha bellend pot and kettle there sunshine it was quite obviously a dig a moan however you want to put it no need to compare to bockhorn at all the lad from Espanyol has played at a far higher level you absolute weapon.
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Post by Dan on Sept 3, 2020 19:34:38 GMT 1
I honestly dont understand why people think that getting rid of Grant and Mounie would be such a good idea even for the money talked about. Start with Grant, a player who has supposedly had his head turned and has been playing half arsed for half a season (nonsense in my opinion). 1 short of 20 goals in a team that must have been close to the worst attacking side in the Championship last season. Half the games we struggled to muster a single shot on goal. When we went forward there was no support and if we were lucky there would be 1 man in the box and 3 or 4 defenders. How many other Championship strikers would have got 19 goals last season in our team, mainly playing on the left wing? Yes, his touch let him down at times and he would choose the wrong option, he wasnt Lionel Messi with the ball at his feet, but when it came to finishing, for a Championship striker, he had some absolute class. Without his goals, I am almost certain we would have been in League 1 so factor that into his price tag. I think it was summed up nicely in that Bradford game the other day, the first half was almost more of the same from last year, but what got us back into the game. A fantastic finish from just outside the area. Who else is going to step up in our team with the quality of that finish on a regular basis? Mounie, once again, another who supposedly couldnt be arsed according to some, wanted rid of him, waste of space etc. Without his goals I am pretty certain we would have been relegated in the first Premier League season. I remember the West Brom away game in that season, and the Soccer Saturday pundits were raving about him during and then after the match, saying he is the real deal and he has been quality for us in every game they had seen him in. Then as we struggled in the second season as we became more and more negative, his confidence took a battering and he wasnt the same player, but we didnt play to his strengths. That continued in the Championship but he had a resurgence when he got his confidence back and showed again what he was capable of, and then the Cowleys dropped him, so harshly in my opinion, and we went back to the negative rubbish playing for 0-0's to scrape over the line. I honestly dont know what people expect from them after the football we have played in the last couple of seasons. The problem has so obviously in my opinion been in the midfield and the tactics, as soon as Mooy went and we didnt replace him. Our midfield has put pressure on both the defence and attack, because we had zero creativity. No-one to put their foot on the ball and pick a quality ball forward. No-one to spot a pass or a run. It was the same nearly everytime, and that was watching us pass it slowly around the midfield and back 4, without crossing the half way line, and as soon as any team put pressure on, they would win it back off us and attack. We sell Grant and Mounie and its terrible business, unless we have replacements lined up who can score 20 in a Championship season. You can talk about their footballing ability until you're blue in the face but what it comes down to is Grant - wants to leave and play PL football and we are being offered VERY good money for him Mounie - doesn't particularly fit the style of play of the new manager, won't start and will be worthless in a years time as he would not sign a new contract even if he was offered one
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Post by Camel Grabber on Sept 3, 2020 19:37:29 GMT 1
Please tell me where I moaned?? I said I hope it is not Bockhorn #2. Bellend What are your thoughts on diakhaby? Signed by Monaco and has French caps at youth level. Also thoughts on mbenza who has Belgium u21 caps. Can go through many an Englishman to have been capped several times for the u21s and had a shit career hahahaha bellend pot and kettle there sunshine it was quite obviously a dig a moan however you want to put it no need to compare to bockhorn at all the lad from Espanyol has played at a far higher level you absolute weapon. It wasn't a dig at all. It was a statement. We need a RB and don't want us to mess up their again. Believe what you want, wouldn't act so sarcastic though to my face I guarantee.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 3, 2020 19:40:35 GMT 1
Please tell me where I moaned?? I said I hope it is not Bockhorn #2. Bellend What are your thoughts on diakhaby? Signed by Monaco and has French caps at youth level. Also thoughts on mbenza who has Belgium u21 caps. Can go through many an Englishman to have been capped several times for the u21s and had a shit career hahahaha bellend pot and kettle there sunshine it was quite obviously a dig a moan however you want to put it no need to compare to bockhorn at all the lad from Espanyol has played at a far higher level you absolute weapon. Looks like he played for the Spain U21s tonight aswell 👇 www.flashscore.co.uk/match/Uq03X3Oi/#lineups;1
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Post by sykeylad on Sept 3, 2020 19:46:22 GMT 1
Also if you liquidate assets that are about to become worthless and invest in lower cost options that is good business not asset stripping. I know things beforehand have had problems but PH can only manage what is on f6ontbof him. Wish I had your optimism. You could have said we did the same with Mooy and Billing, how did that work out for us? It worked out £20 mill better for us. Doubt we would have been promoted had they stayed so correct move. The issue is replacing them. I am happy with Ward but no Mounie means Willock wide I guess. Him and Ward will return less than Grant and Mounie. However, bring a positive soul I see goals coming from Bacuna, Pritchard, Koroma in open play.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Sept 3, 2020 19:47:25 GMT 1
Mounie no good in the air. I've read it all now. In truth, that's his only strength! Sadly a great asset that we have horrendously underutilsed during his time here. A high ball to the far post is his forte and we havent had the players to provide that for him. PL defenders struggled to deal with him in this scenario. CC's style of play doesnt mesh with this strength either so sadly a move might be the bedt for all parties but Mounie WILL flourish under a system that plays to his strengths
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 19:50:54 GMT 1
And people don't believe this is asset stripping. Call me dramatic all you like but we're selling our best assets and we're talking 20m with Grant, Mounie and Sobhi, not a chance will even 20% of that be reinvested.. loan loan loan and maybe a gamble here and there, re the RB with 4 relegations on his CV. You can only sell if someone is willing to buy. I'm sure the club would rather sell Diakhaby and Mbenza before Mounie but no one wants them. Will Mounie and Grant sign new contracts to enable us to get more? Probably not. We got promoted by shopping smart, I think we spent around 5m? That was after selling Rhodes, Clayton, Hunt and Butterfield for 15m. Its the way town have operated for years but because its Phil and not Dean at the helm then fans aren't happy? fair point and some on here have there own agendas and its not supporting the club
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Post by bluesandtwos on Sept 3, 2020 19:59:00 GMT 1
hahahaha bellend pot and kettle there sunshine it was quite obviously a dig a moan however you want to put it no need to compare to bockhorn at all the lad from Espanyol has played at a far higher level you absolute weapon. Looks like he played for the Spain U21s tonight aswell 👇 www.flashscore.co.uk/match/Uq03X3Oi/#lineups;1Nice spot - well done. You need to be half decent to play for Spain's Under 21, even though he is 22? It does make you wonder how he will get here for a medical tomorrow though, given quarantine issues? Maybe there are ways of doing the medical in quarantine?
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Post by royrace on Sept 3, 2020 20:01:47 GMT 1
Lol, I don't think you understand the term snowflake do you? Although you managed to find a special emoji of one, bless, give yourself a pat on the back. Sent from my SM-A515F using proboards Oh dear. "S nowflake is a 2010s derogatory slang term for a person, implying that they have an inflated sense of uniqueness, an unwarranted sense of entitlement, or are overly-emotional, easily offended, and unable to deal with opposing opinions[/b]"Maybe it's not what you think, heh. Not the first time you've taken a firm judgement on something without being clued-up, is it. Chin up. As you were, back to the footy. [/quote][/quote] Touched a nerve I see I know what it means thanks sweetheart but well done for looking it up in the dictionary and how sweet that you seem to genuinely think that maybe I dont Judging by your reaction I'm guessing its fits you to a tee. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're confusing me with another poster. If I were overly emotional, easily offended and unable to deal with opposing opinions I'd probably resort to insulting people on here, unprovoked, from behind a keyboard. Sound familiar? Not being clued up you say? I don't remember a single one of your posts or opinions unless you've had a name change so I cant comment on your views but feel free to correct me on anything you think I've been wrong about oh knowledgeable one. You come across as the type to spend hours trawling through previous posts on here so a bit of homework for you, I'm sure you can find something I've been wrong about, enjoy x
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Post by bluesandtwos on Sept 3, 2020 20:03:36 GMT 1
In truth, that's his only strength! Sadly a great asset that we have horrendously underutilsed during his time here. A high ball to the far post is his forte and we havent had the players to provide that for him. PL defenders struggled to deal with him in this scenario. CC's style of play doesnt mesh with this strength either so sadly a move might be the bedt for all parties but Mounie WILL flourish under a system that plays to his strengths He is not the only one to look poor in the last two seasons and he has had very little service. He probably needs a new start and good luck to him. A fans favourite and a good guy by all accounts. A move to France is probably good for him now, I don't think he will fit the high press quick delivery system we will be playing, but we will probably never know.
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Post by griffa on Sept 3, 2020 20:09:35 GMT 1
In truth, that's his only strength! Sadly a great asset that we have horrendously underutilsed during his time here. A high ball to the far post is his forte and we havent had the players to provide that for him. PL defenders struggled to deal with him in this scenario. CC's style of play doesnt mesh with this strength either so sadly a move might be the bedt for all parties but Mounie WILL flourish under a system that plays to his strengths Mounie's great strength is heading the ball. His link up play & all round game is poor. He doesn't run the channels, or make near post or far post runs. Time to get rid - UTT.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 3, 2020 20:33:02 GMT 1
Nice spot - well done. You need to be half decent to play for Spain's Under 21, even though he is 22? It does make you wonder how he will get here for a medical tomorrow though, given quarantine issues? Maybe there are ways of doing the medical in quarantine? He's a footballer - they're special - the rules governing plebs like you and me don't apply. He'll be fine.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 3, 2020 20:36:12 GMT 1
Nice spot - well done. You need to be half decent to play for Spain's Under 21, even though he is 22? It does make you wonder how he will get here for a medical tomorrow though, given quarantine issues? Maybe there are ways of doing the medical in quarantine. They were away to North Macedonia. If he flies in from there maybe he'll get round the quarantine rules.
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Post by Tiro on Sept 3, 2020 20:48:37 GMT 1
Nice spot - well done. You need to be half decent to play for Spain's Under 21, even though he is 22? It does make you wonder how he will get here for a medical tomorrow though, given quarantine issues? Maybe there are ways of doing the medical in quarantine. They were away to North Macedonia. If he flies in from there maybe he'll get round the quarantine rules. Also wasn’t an issue for Real Madrid when they visited during a similar (if not the same) period of restriction. I imagine there will be some creative ways around it - it didn’t do Johnson’s Dad any harm....
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 3, 2020 20:51:52 GMT 1
They were away to North Macedonia. If he flies in from there maybe he'll get round the quarantine rules. Also wasn’t an issue for Real Madrid when they visited during a similar (if not the same) period of restriction. I imagine there will be some creative ways around it - it didn’t do Johnson’s Dad any harm.... We can always claim he's here cos he needs to drive around to check his eyesight
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Post by The Lightening Bomber on Sept 3, 2020 20:53:50 GMT 1
In my opinion (are they still allowed on here) I actually have no issues with any of the outgoings muted apart from O’Brien.
Grant if we get anything above 15 we should snap their hands off. He looks disinterested and has his heart set on Prem and as I have seen on here before I think Bacuna can do a good job in that position. A 13 million profit in 2 years is good business.
Sobhi...well that’s like free money as he’s nothing really to do with us.
Mounie, contract aside I think is never gonna be the striker CC wants. He’s an expensive commodity to have on the bench to throw on for last 10.
I don’t know if any fee mentioned for Mounie but for arguments sake say 4 million. We are looking at 25 million there. IF and it’s a big IF even 30% of that goes into new signings for this window I’d be ok with it.
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Post by yappledapple on Sept 3, 2020 21:10:51 GMT 1
Diangana (£20M) having a medical at WBA tomorrow - will this affect them wanting Grant you think?
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 3, 2020 21:16:49 GMT 1
In my opinion (are they still allowed on here) I actually have no issues with any of the outgoings muted apart from O’Brien. Grant if we get anything above 15 we should snap their hands off. He looks disinterested and has his heart set on Prem and as I have seen on here before I think Bacuna can do a good job in that position. A 13 million profit in 2 years is good business. Sobhi...well that’s like free money as he’s nothing really to do with us. Mounie, contract aside I think is never gonna be the striker CC wants. He’s an expensive commodity to have on the bench to throw on for last 10. I don’t know if any fee mentioned for Mounie but for arguments sake say 4 million. We are looking at 25 million there. IF and it’s a big IF even 30% of that goes into new signings for this window I’d be ok with it. If the espanyol guy is £500k for a Spanish u-21 international I’m guessing £5m in the Spanish market could go a long way.
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Post by specialun on Sept 3, 2020 21:31:54 GMT 1
Re Pipa - Are Espanyol pushing for him to leave or is he keen to move on to get more opportunities to play?
I ask as they’re at our level now
Edit - Not expecting DATM to know this!
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Sept 3, 2020 21:34:27 GMT 1
Possibly them needing the money?
Hadergjonaj has come off the bench for Kosovo tonight. No mention by the club. Not that it’s any secret but we’ve clearly disowned him.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 3, 2020 21:46:38 GMT 1
Possibly them needing the money? Hadergjonaj has come off the bench for Kosovo tonight. No mention by the club. Not that it’s any secret but we’ve clearly disowned him. The club used to make a big thing out of our players involvement in International games - no mention of this on the club website at all.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 3, 2020 21:50:49 GMT 1
👀 finally the buses are arriving. ❌
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Post by sykeylad on Sept 3, 2020 22:05:48 GMT 1
In my opinion (are they still allowed on here) I actually have no issues with any of the outgoings muted apart from O’Brien. Grant if we get anything above 15 we should snap their hands off. He looks disinterested and has his heart set on Prem and as I have seen on here before I think Bacuna can do a good job in that position. A 13 million profit in 2 years is good business. Sobhi...well that’s like free money as he’s nothing really to do with us. Mounie, contract aside I think is never gonna be the striker CC wants. He’s an expensive commodity to have on the bench to throw on for last 10. I don’t know if any fee mentioned for Mounie but for arguments sake say 4 million. We are looking at 25 million there. IF and it’s a big IF even 30% of that goes into new signings for this window I’d be ok with it. Can't see any Town fans wanting LOB to leave, especially for 6 mill. However, if he gets a chance of the Premier League he's going to want to go for it I should imagine. If we show we can take young players in and move them up into the Prem it will help us attract more good talent perhaps.
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Post by linson on Sept 3, 2020 22:34:08 GMT 1
Lewis O'Brien is literally the last player I would let leave, his potential is massive and realistically is the only player we can/should "build the team around".
£6m? It would have to be triple that as an absolute minimum.
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 3, 2020 22:53:35 GMT 1
So 100 pages (that I’m contributing too) and we’ve signed an ex player and loaned a keeper who has already been murdered before being thrown under the literary bus 🤦♂️
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 3, 2020 22:53:57 GMT 1
Only town
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 3, 2020 22:55:36 GMT 1
The massive are in crisis but still seem to have done alright in this window!! As far as potless has been saying “our” transition was a three window one so he’s hoping 🤞
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Post by keefer on Sept 3, 2020 23:01:01 GMT 1
This is nothing short of phenomenal, 100 pages nearly for 1 signing! Only Town could do this. 2 signings! Please bear in mind 71 1/2 pages have been taken up by the wonderfully positive potlessphil2, where he has rearranged the same 40 words into endless posts.
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