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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 3, 2020 18:16:08 GMT 1
Mounie is the most underrated player at this club without a shadow of a doubt. Remember the start of last season when everyone had put him in the 'couldn't give a shit camp' when he was benched and then he played and scored some crucial goals. Remember crystal Palace away?? The club has failed him. He is a player that is way way way better than what we have made him. A la Lolley That’s a good summary. I agree that the club has failed him - certainly by never been able to provide him with the service that his type of player needs. Fans are not idiots and I think the support he has always received tells you that the majority recognise this. I’ll be sorry to see him leave ( if true )
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Post by Ross83 on Sept 3, 2020 18:31:15 GMT 1
And people don't believe this is asset stripping. Call me dramatic all you like but we're selling our best assets and we're talking 20m with Grant, Mounie and Sobhi, not a chance will even 20% of that be reinvested.. loan loan loan and maybe a gamble here and there, re the RB with 4 relegations on his CV.
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Post by jqhtfc on Sept 3, 2020 18:35:59 GMT 1
Huddersfield Town striker Steve Mounie is in talks with St Etienne over a potential move, If this is true should be good all parties. Damn. Going to need that hot sauce with such a delicious rumour. I'm not against him leaving at all. He's such a good guy but the speed twins failed him massively. With them he was supposed to be the battering ram to our new attack but it never worked out and he just seems to be getting slower and less effective. I really like him but I wouldn't be sad to see him go and try reignite his career elsewhere. If both him and KG are off we're guaranteed to be getting new strikers in. It wouldn’t surprise me if we didn’t replace either
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 3, 2020 18:40:27 GMT 1
And people don't believe this is asset stripping. Call me dramatic all you like but we're selling our best assets and we're talking 20m with Grant, Mounie and Sobhi, not a chance will even 20% of that be reinvested.. loan loan loan and maybe a gamble here and there, re the RB with 4 relegations on his CV. You can only sell if someone is willing to buy. I'm sure the club would rather sell Diakhaby and Mbenza before Mounie but no one wants them. Will Mounie and Grant sign new contracts to enable us to get more? Probably not. We got promoted by shopping smart, I think we spent around 5m? That was after selling Rhodes, Clayton, Hunt and Butterfield for 15m. Its the way town have operated for years but because its Phil and not Dean at the helm then fans aren't happy?
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Post by RickDangerous on Sept 3, 2020 18:40:35 GMT 1
And people don't believe this is asset stripping. Call me dramatic all you like but we're selling our best assets and we're talking 20m with Grant, Mounie and Sobhi, not a chance will even 20% of that be reinvested.. loan loan loan and maybe a gamble here and there, re the RB with 4 relegations on his CV. Not arguing with Grant.. but Mounie I don't believe is an asset to us, especially under the new gaffer... And Sobhi, Jesus christ man if he's worth 5 million to someone... wow, he sure as hell ain't with that to us. Get rid whilst we can.
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Post by Mr Breitside on Sept 3, 2020 18:42:58 GMT 1
Specialist training... was training for all those wanting to leave or ones we want out.
Let's see how many in that group are still here come the end of the transfer window.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 3, 2020 18:44:30 GMT 1
And people don't believe this is asset stripping. Call me dramatic all you like but we're selling our best assets and we're talking 20m with Grant, Mounie and Sobhi, not a chance will even 20% of that be reinvested.. loan loan loan and maybe a gamble here and there, re the RB with 4 relegations on his CV. I refer you to the earlier definition of asset stripping and this. "Asset stripping is the process of buying an undervalued company with the intent of selling off its assets to generate a profit for shareholders. The individual assets of the company, such as its equipment, real estate, brands, or intellectual property, may be more valuable than the company as a whole due to such factors as poor management or poor economic conditions." You have just not got it right. - Was HTFC under valued. - The profit doesn't exist we are selling players at a loss.
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Post by Camel Grabber on Sept 3, 2020 18:45:06 GMT 1
Mounie is the most underrated player at this club without a shadow of a doubt. Remember the start of last season when everyone had put him in the 'couldn't give a shit camp' when he was benched and then he played and scored some crucial goals. Remember crystal Palace away?? The club has failed him. He is a player that is way way way better than what we have made him. A la Lolley He’s a nice guy. Just not very good at football. From that comment, I conclude you know nothing about football.
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Post by Camel Grabber on Sept 3, 2020 18:46:30 GMT 1
Hope this is not Bockhorn #2
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 18:49:22 GMT 1
He’s a nice guy. Just not very good at football. You arent good at judging players either What’s he good at? Awful first touch. Bad passer. Gets beaten in the air a hell of a lot to say he’s 6ft3. Poor goal scoring record. Slow.
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Post by Ross83 on Sept 3, 2020 18:50:11 GMT 1
And people don't believe this is asset stripping. Call me dramatic all you like but we're selling our best assets and we're talking 20m with Grant, Mounie and Sobhi, not a chance will even 20% of that be reinvested.. loan loan loan and maybe a gamble here and there, re the RB with 4 relegations on his CV. I refer you to the earlier definition of asset stripping and this. "Asset stripping is the process of buying an undervalued company with the intent of selling off its assets to generate a profit for shareholders. The individual assets of the company, such as its equipment, real estate, brands, or intellectual property, may be more valuable than the company as a whole due to such factors as poor management or poor economic conditions." You have just not got it right. - Was HTFC under valued. - The profit doesn't exist we are selling players at a loss. In footballing terms I think anyone would agree that selling the most valuable "assets" and replacing them with freebies and loans which hold no future value to us would be classed as "stripping" the club bare, would it not?
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Post by Dan on Sept 3, 2020 18:51:34 GMT 1
I refer you to the earlier definition of asset stripping and this. "Asset stripping is the process of buying an undervalued company with the intent of selling off its assets to generate a profit for shareholders. The individual assets of the company, such as its equipment, real estate, brands, or intellectual property, may be more valuable than the company as a whole due to such factors as poor management or poor economic conditions." You have just not got it right. - Was HTFC under valued. - The profit doesn't exist we are selling players at a loss. In footballing terms I think anyone would agree that selling the most valuable "assets" and replacing them with freebies and loans which hold no future value to us would be classed as "stripping" the club bare, would it not? Would you rather he stayed, spent the season on the bench and left for free next summer then?
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Post by Camel Grabber on Sept 3, 2020 18:52:43 GMT 1
You arent good at judging players either What’s he good at? Awful first touch. Bad passer. Gets beaten in the air a hell of a lot to say he’s 6ft3. Poor goal scoring record. Slow. Mounie barely loses the ball. When he does it is because he has held it up for that long and no1 has supported him. His goal scoring record since playing for town isn't that bad either if you consider minutes and also how crap we were. Poor in the air? Are you sure you know who mounie is? Wins most headers, unfortunately no1 around him to follow that up.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 3, 2020 18:53:00 GMT 1
I refer you to the earlier definition of asset stripping and this. "Asset stripping is the process of buying an undervalued company with the intent of selling off its assets to generate a profit for shareholders. The individual assets of the company, such as its equipment, real estate, brands, or intellectual property, may be more valuable than the company as a whole due to such factors as poor management or poor economic conditions." You have just not got it right. - Was HTFC under valued. - The profit doesn't exist we are selling players at a loss. In footballing terms I think anyone would agree that selling the most valuable "assets" and replacing them with freebies and loans which hold no future value to us would be classed as "stripping" the club bare, would it not? Nope only on here, i highlighted the pertinent relevent bits that might help.
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Post by Ross83 on Sept 3, 2020 18:55:56 GMT 1
And people don't believe this is asset stripping. Call me dramatic all you like but we're selling our best assets and we're talking 20m with Grant, Mounie and Sobhi, not a chance will even 20% of that be reinvested.. loan loan loan and maybe a gamble here and there, re the RB with 4 relegations on his CV. You can only sell if someone is willing to buy. I'm sure the club would rather sell Diakhaby and Mbenza before Mounie but no one wants them. Will Mounie and Grant sign new contracts to enable us to get more? Probably not. We got promoted by shopping smart, I think we spent around 5m? That was after selling Rhodes, Clayton, Hunt and Butterfield for 15m. Its the way town have operated for years but because its Phil and not Dean at the helm then fans aren't happy? What Wagner did was a near "miracle", one which I can't see us pulling off again anytime soon. I know what you're getting at but it just seems anyone of any value is surplus to us at the moment. None of us know who's truly to blame for this mess, whether it be Phil's plan or Dean's demands but it seems like we want to do everything on the cheap and we're taking a huge gamble. The big worry is all the loan rumours once again, FFS we need a team we can call our own, what good is it trying to build 50% of a team knowing the other 50% will be gone next season and we'll still be in the shit.
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Post by Ross83 on Sept 3, 2020 18:57:51 GMT 1
In footballing terms I think anyone would agree that selling the most valuable "assets" and replacing them with freebies and loans which hold no future value to us would be classed as "stripping" the club bare, would it not? Would you rather he stayed, spent the season on the bench and left for free next summer then? No, as the below poster said I'd rather we played to his strengths and see him scoring us goals like we know he can.
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Post by sykeylad on Sept 3, 2020 18:58:26 GMT 1
Mounie no good in the air. I've read it all now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 18:59:19 GMT 1
What’s he good at? Awful first touch. Bad passer. Gets beaten in the air a hell of a lot to say he’s 6ft3. Poor goal scoring record. Slow. Mounie barely loses the ball. When he does it is because he has held it up for that long and no1 has supported him. His goal scoring record since playing for town isn't that bad either if you consider minutes and also how crap we were. Poor in the air? Are you sure you know who mounie is? Wins most headers, unfortunately no1 around him to follow that up. Fair enough, hope he had a good season 👍
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Post by sykeylad on Sept 3, 2020 19:00:53 GMT 1
Also if you liquidate assets that are about to become worthless and invest in lower cost options that is good business not asset stripping.
I know things beforehand have had problems but PH can only manage what is on f6ontbof him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 19:03:48 GMT 1
You arent good at judging players either What’s he good at? Awful first touch. Bad passer. Gets beaten in the air a hell of a lot to say he’s 6ft3. Poor goal scoring record. Slow. ONE OF THE BEST IN THE AIR
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 19:04:10 GMT 1
Hope this is not Bockhorn #2 7 la liga games last season 4 europa league games and capped for spains under 21s slightly better level than Bockhorn dont you think ? Any excuse to moan i guess!
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Post by Ross83 on Sept 3, 2020 19:07:03 GMT 1
Also if you liquidate assets that are about to become worthless and invest in lower cost options that is good business not asset stripping. I know things beforehand have had problems but PH can only manage what is on f6ontbof him. Wish I had your optimism. You could have said we did the same with Mooy and Billing, how did that work out for us?
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Post by arry11 on Sept 3, 2020 19:13:22 GMT 1
Personally i think its best we clear out the big earners who do not wish to be here and not performing for what ever reason time too refresh the squad and start moving forward and stop the decline.
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Post by ACW on Sept 3, 2020 19:13:48 GMT 1
Mounie no good in the air. I've read it all now. Yep. Mounie can be criticised for many things, but not his ability in the air. We just never gave him the right service or got players near enough to him to make the most of it. For me, Mounie's main failing is his inability to anticipate in the box and find space. He always seemed to be reactive rather than proactive. His first touch is not always the best either. I can't see him fitting in with a quick-paced passing game favoured by Corberan. That's not to say he's a poor player, and won't be an asset to a team set up to play to his strengths, just that his attributes are not suited to the way we are likely to play. Always a player who divides opinion, but I always had a soft spot for him, probably because he's obviously a nice bloke and he has been one of our few sources of goals recently. But if he's not likely to play we are best to cash in while we have the chance. Hopefully the fee and monies saved in wages will be reinvested in a new forward line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 19:18:44 GMT 1
Where did all the busses go?
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 3, 2020 19:20:41 GMT 1
You arent good at judging players either What’s he good at? Awful first touch. Bad passer. Gets beaten in the air a hell of a lot to say he’s 6ft3. Poor goal scoring record. Slow. Grant has an awful first touch, is a bad passer, wins nowt in the air, is slow and has a worse goals/minutes record than Mounie this season 🤔
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Post by arry11 on Sept 3, 2020 19:22:36 GMT 1
Where did all the busses go? Do they ever turn up on time.
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Post by Camel Grabber on Sept 3, 2020 19:22:43 GMT 1
Hope this is not Bockhorn #2 7 la liga games last season 4 europa league games and capped for spains under 21s slightly better level than Bockhorn dont you think ? Any excuse to moan i guess! Please tell me where I moaned?? I said I hope it is not Bockhorn #2. Bellend What are your thoughts on diakhaby? Signed by Monaco and has French caps at youth level. Also thoughts on mbenza who has Belgium u21 caps. Can go through many an Englishman to have been capped several times for the u21s and had a shit career
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 3, 2020 19:27:26 GMT 1
You can only sell if someone is willing to buy. I'm sure the club would rather sell Diakhaby and Mbenza before Mounie but no one wants them. Will Mounie and Grant sign new contracts to enable us to get more? Probably not. We got promoted by shopping smart, I think we spent around 5m? That was after selling Rhodes, Clayton, Hunt and Butterfield for 15m. Its the way town have operated for years but because its Phil and not Dean at the helm then fans aren't happy? What Wagner did was a near "miracle", one which I can't see us pulling off again anytime soon. I know what you're getting at but it just seems anyone of any value is surplus to us at the moment. None of us know who's truly to blame for this mess, whether it be Phil's plan or Dean's demands but it seems like we want to do everything on the cheap and we're taking a huge gamble. The big worry is all the loan rumours once again, FFS we need a team we can call our own, what good is it trying to build 50% of a team knowing the other 50% will be gone next season and we'll still be in the shit. To me loans should be players that are too good for you otherwise its blocking a development pathway. The curve ball in all of that is the financial effects of the pandemic. We have added into the equation loans who we have an option on which is sensible in the current climate. If we get 20m for Grant and Mounie and we only invest 4m (20% like you say) then of course that doesn't set the fans pulses racing. However if we pick up another Grant, Toffolo, Schindler and Hogg (circa 4m?) Then we have the basis of a good team there and some definite profit going forward. Also we are about to spend 500k on a Spanish U21 International so there is some money there anyway for what the club believe to be shrewd purchases. I'm sure Phil knows we cant afford too many Simpsons or Andy Kings if we want to move forward.
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Post by ldotm on Sept 3, 2020 19:28:32 GMT 1
Hope this is not Bockhorn #2 Lazy comparison because he’s a foreign fullback and the reported fee is cheap. He was a Spanish u21 player last year and in La Liga, not comparable to the standard Bockhorn was playing. Espanyol fans seem gutted they’re letting him go, which is a lot better than the majority of our recent signings. Time will tell.
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