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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 15, 2020 8:59:24 GMT 1
Grant leaves when the price we want and the price WBA are prepared to pay meet somewhere in the middle.
Selling for millions less would simply be another thing to bash Phil with..
Transfers have now seemingly become more complicated and difficult than International treaties??
I guess it's so more people get a piece of the pie??
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 9:10:08 GMT 1
we've seen a good number of nasty bastards in opposing teams kicking or thumping lumps out of our lads, Norwich being the latest with the elbow into Stearman's face...about time we had one of our own..we've been too soft..Austin will rattle defenders and make space for others..just what we need for a couple of seasons while we settle our squad and bring through the B team lads... we doa need more physical presence up front but dont get decieved in to thinking we are asoft touch some can certainly put there foot in |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 9:12:49 GMT 1
Lets be honest we need to just let Grant go now so we can invest the money on his replacement and actually improve the side, the hard ball is boring they either need to take it or leave it. If we end up selling him like a week before the deadline with no time to replace there will be absolute carnage and although I have stuck up for him PH would deserve every criticism he gets. so let him go whatever the price?really? i doubt it |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 15, 2020 9:15:13 GMT 1
Alan Lee was a dirty bastard who loved leaving an elbow or a boot in on someone. FAR worse than Austin's ever been.
Yet he was always a fans favourite, despite being a bit shit as a player.
Everyone hates a dirty bastard on the other side... but on your own??.. They're the popular ones so long as they dont become a liability, and Austins red card history suggests he doesn't.
Hed be a great signing IMO.
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Post by space hardware on Sept 15, 2020 9:21:27 GMT 1
Lets be honest we need to just let Grant go now so we can invest the money on his replacement and actually improve the side, the hard ball is boring they either need to take it or leave it. If we end up selling him like a week before the deadline with no time to replace there will be absolute carnage and although I have stuck up for him PH would deserve every criticism he gets. We fucked about with Kongolo potentially being sold last summer. That went well for us. Hope lessons have been learned from that. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 15, 2020 9:27:58 GMT 1
If we mess about for too long and WBA decide to go in for someone else we are in deep trouble! I'd take the current offer and use it to get a few players in pronto. There are a number of clubs chasing strikers in the PL. If WBA decides to go another way it probably takes a target from another PL club. With regards to the current offer, what is it? From what I’ve seen the dealing is all over the upfront payment. If the upfront is low, how are we to bring in a few players pronto? |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 15, 2020 9:38:12 GMT 1
Lets be honest we need to just let Grant go now so we can invest the money on his replacement and actually improve the side, the hard ball is boring they either need to take it or leave it. If we end up selling him like a week before the deadline with no time to replace there will be absolute carnage and although I have stuck up for him PH would deserve every criticism he gets. Right on cue a website has put out an article talking about how dire WBA were and their need to sign Grant after playing a winger upfront. They got tonked so the pressure is now on them. If Town got tonked, the pressure would have been on us. |
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Post by Uddersfield on Sept 15, 2020 9:39:54 GMT 1
I take it Grant isn't training with us then?
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 15, 2020 9:53:24 GMT 1
Alan Lee was a dirty bastard who loved leaving an elbow or a boot in on someone. FAR worse than Austin's ever been. Yet he was always a fans favourite, despite being a bit shit as a player. Everyone hates a dirty bastard on the other side... but on your own??.. They're the popular ones so long as they dont become a liability, and Austins red card history suggests he doesn't. Hed be a great signing IMO. Eggfoooookinzackly bro.. Get him in.. We need a reyt dirty bassa in team.. Let’s hope he kicks.. Elbows.. Leaves a foot in.. And headbuts us to the play offs.. It’s a yes from me.. 👍 |
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Post by 4 pts on Sept 15, 2020 10:04:25 GMT 1
If we mess about for too long and WBA decide to go in for someone else we are in deep trouble! I'd take the current offer and use it to get a few players in pronto. There are a number of clubs chasing strikers in the PL. If WBA decides to go another way it probably takes a target from another PL club. With regards to the current offer, what is it? From what I’ve seen the dealing is all over the upfront payment. If the upfront is low, how are we to bring in a few players pronto? the hold up is regarding the initial payment for Grant, then that would suggest to me that cupboards really are bare. Especially if we are looking at players around the fee paid for Pipa. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 15, 2020 10:05:37 GMT 1
Lets be honest we need to just let Grant go now so we can invest the money on his replacement and actually improve the side, the hard ball is boring they either need to take it or leave it. If we end up selling him like a week before the deadline with no time to replace there will be absolute carnage and although I have stuck up for him PH would deserve every criticism he gets. so let him go whatever the price?really? i doubt it The thing he doesn’t control the market |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 15, 2020 10:08:58 GMT 1
Alan Lee was a dirty bastard who loved leaving an elbow or a boot in on someone. FAR worse than Austin's ever been. Yet he was always a fans favourite, despite being a bit shit as a player. Everyone hates a dirty bastard on the other side... but on your own??.. They're the popular ones so long as they dont become a liability, and Austins red card history suggests he doesn't. Hed be a great signing IMO. That is very true. Alan, Alan was great in my eyes particularly because of how he roughed up the opposition’s Centre Half’s. Same can be said of Hoggy - whenever he makes a full blooded challenge and takes a player out I’m on my feet applauding him. |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 15, 2020 10:09:17 GMT 1
If we mess about for too long and WBA decide to go in for someone else we are in deep trouble! I'd take the current offer and use it to get a few players in pronto. There are a number of clubs chasing strikers in the PL. If WBA decides to go another way it probably takes a target from another PL club. With regards to the current offer, what is it? From what I’ve seen the dealing is all over the upfront payment. If the upfront is low, how are we to bring in a few players pronto? If there is a deal over a few years that won’t matter If it is based on performance or league statement that would be an issue |
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Post by huddersfc on Sept 15, 2020 10:10:09 GMT 1
I dont understand why people think selling Grant is going to open the flood gates for incomings unless I am missing something. It hasnt before with any of our previous outgoings in the last year or so. We sold Mounie and Sobhi for reportedly decent sums, and they were both big earners. I might be completely wrong but Grant surely isnt even one of our big earners, we signed him as a young lad with potential knowing we were going to be relegated, and he hasnt been given a new contract. I get why Grant will want to leave because I imagine it will be his big payday if he leaves for around 15 million, however unless the club decide to completely go against what we have been doing, it isnt going to trigger a load of players coming in.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 10:17:21 GMT 1
Grant leaves when the price we want and the price WBA are prepared to pay meet somewhere in the middle. Selling for millions less would simply be another thing to bash Phil with.. Transfers have now seemingly become more complicated and difficult than International treaties?? I guess it's so more people get a piece of the pie?? No doubt the fee will be ‘undisclosed’, though. We’ll never know how much Grant goes for, when he eventually leaves. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 15, 2020 10:17:27 GMT 1
I dont understand why people think selling Grant is going to open the flood gates for incomings unless I am missing something. It hasnt before with any of our previous outgoings in the last year or so. We sold Mounie and Sobhi for reportedly decent sums, and they were both big earners. I might be completely wrong but Grant surely isnt even one of our big earners, we signed him as a young lad with potential knowing we were going to be relegated, and he hasnt been given a new contract. I get why Grant will want to leave because I imagine it will be his big payday if he leaves for around 15 million, however unless the club decide to completely go against what we have been doing, it isnt going to trigger a load of players coming in. The initial payments for Sobhi and Mounie probably go towards clearing what we owed on them. The Grant fee is significant so the upfront fee will give us some surplus to spend once we pay Charlton their sell on. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 15, 2020 10:17:53 GMT 1
There are a number of clubs chasing strikers in the PL. If WBA decides to go another way it probably takes a target from another PL club. With regards to the current offer, what is it? From what I’ve seen the dealing is all over the upfront payment. If the upfront is low, how are we to bring in a few players pronto? the hold up is regarding the initial payment for Grant, then that would suggest to me that cupboards really are bare. Especially if we are looking at players around the fee paid for Pipa. I know nothing of the deal other than what is rumoured on Twitter. According to the Twitterverse the delay is/was because of the upfront being offered, rumoured at being a £4-7m offer upfront. If true that’s a pretty low upfront when Ivan Toney is reportedly going from League 1 to the Championship for an initial £5m rising up to £10m with add ons. So two points. First that undervalues Grant substantially. Second, if we were to go into the market, we would struggle to buy 1 top League 1 striker, let alone a few players. |
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Post by Dan on Sept 15, 2020 10:26:59 GMT 1
IF the hold up is regarding the initial payment for Grant, then that would suggest to me that cupboards really are bare. Especially if we are looking at players around the fee paid for Pipa. I know nothing of the deal other than what is rumoured on Twitter. According to the Twitterverse the delay is/was because of the upfront being offered, rumoured at being a £4-7m offer upfront. If true that’s a pretty low upfront when Ivan Toney is reportedly going from League 1 to the Championship for an initial £5m rising up to £10m with add ons. So two points. First that undervalues Grant substantially. Second, if we were to go into the market, we would struggle to buy 1 top League 1 striker, let alone a few players. There's a difference though. From what you're saying the Toney deal is dependent on achievements to be met to get to £10m (like 20 goals scored, or 100 appearances etc) We're negotiating the structure of the payments with WBA. I would assume it will be £16million at least guaranteed, but as with all deals these days, the payments are spread over the course of 2, 3 or 4 years. Town want more of it up front. |
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Post by drumriggend on Sept 15, 2020 10:28:19 GMT 1
I dont understand why people think selling Grant is going to open the flood gates for incomings unless I am missing something. It hasnt before with any of our previous outgoings in the last year or so. We sold Mounie and Sobhi for reportedly decent sums, and they were both big earners. I might be completely wrong but Grant surely isnt even one of our big earners, we signed him as a young lad with potential knowing we were going to be relegated, and he hasnt been given a new contract. I get why Grant will want to leave because I imagine it will be his big payday if he leaves for around 15 million, however unless the club decide to completely go against what we have been doing, it isnt going to trigger a load of players coming in. Yes it is.. Link in the chain bro.. His sale kicks it all off.. 🤞 |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Sept 15, 2020 10:36:23 GMT 1
If the Grant sale kicks it all off then we're playing an extremely dangerous game................................
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Post by crux on Sept 15, 2020 10:37:05 GMT 1
I know nothing of the deal other than what is rumoured on Twitter. According to the Twitterverse the delay is/was because of the upfront being offered, rumoured at being a £4-7m offer upfront. If true that’s a pretty low upfront when Ivan Toney is reportedly going from League 1 to the Championship for an initial £5m rising up to £10m with add ons. So two points. First that undervalues Grant substantially. Second, if we were to go into the market, we would struggle to buy 1 top League 1 striker, let alone a few players. There's a difference though. From what you're saying the Toney deal is dependent on achievements to be met to get to £10m (like 20 goals scored, or 100 appearances etc) We're negotiating the structure of the payments with WBA. I would assume it will be £16million at least guaranteed, but as with all deals these days, the payments are spread over the course of 2, 3 or 4 years. Town want more of it up front. Transfer fees are normally split equally over the length of the initial contract the player signs. So a four year contract has the fee split over four equal payments. Any front loading of the payments usually leads to a reduced overall fee, as it implies the selling club is desperate for the cash - like Wigan have been recently. It seems that any hold up is probably due to the split of any fee between guaranteed payment and add-ons. I still think, because it is common knowledge that we turned down a fee of £15m in January, we need to be able to say that we've sold Grant for an undisclosed club record fee - beating the £15m paid for Billing. |
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 15, 2020 10:38:09 GMT 1
I know nothing of the deal other than what is rumoured on Twitter. According to the Twitterverse the delay is/was because of the upfront being offered, rumoured at being a £4-7m offer upfront. If true that’s a pretty low upfront when Ivan Toney is reportedly going from League 1 to the Championship for an initial £5m rising up to £10m with add ons. So two points. First that undervalues Grant substantially. Second, if we were to go into the market, we would struggle to buy 1 top League 1 striker, let alone a few players. There's a difference though. From what you're saying the Toney deal is dependent on achievements to be met to get to £10m (like 20 goals scored, or 100 appearances etc) We're negotiating the structure of the payments with WBA. I would assume it will be £16million at least guaranteed, but as with all deals these days, the payments are spread over the course of 2, 3 or 4 years. Town want more of it up front. I see what you are saying. As always we don’t know the details of the deal and probably never will, but for the moment we do know that Town feel like they are being low-balled. If the deal was fair in the mind of Town management we wouldn’t be having this discussion. They would also have money earmarked for the future to get incomings sorted based on how much they receive. |
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Post by H6dds on Sept 15, 2020 10:53:00 GMT 1
Who says it’s us holding that deal up? It could just as well be West Brom needing to get rid of players (like Zohore and Austin) first. They might have another preferred target and Grant is their second choice if it doesn’t come off?
Phil is many things but I don’t think being a poor businessman is one of them. If we are holding this deal up I’m sure we have a good reason (maybe west Brom wants to pay just x m split over y years for example and we need more money now to be able to get a competetive squad together)
After what we have heard about the Kongolo saga at least I hope it isn’t a case of us just being greedy again, and as of now there is no evidence that is the case.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 10:53:13 GMT 1
Grant leaves when the price we want and the price WBA are prepared to pay meet somewhere in the middle. Selling for millions less would simply be another thing to bash Phil with.. Transfers have now seemingly become more complicated and difficult than International treaties?? I guess it's so more people get a piece of the pie?? No doubt the fee will be ‘undisclosed’, though. We’ll never know how much Grant goes for, when he eventually leaves. should we/ |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 15, 2020 10:54:18 GMT 1
Grant leaves when the price we want and the price WBA are prepared to pay meet somewhere in the middle. Selling for millions less would simply be another thing to bash Phil with.. Transfers have now seemingly become more complicated and difficult than International treaties?? I guess it's so more people get a piece of the pie?? No doubt the fee will be ‘undisclosed’, though. We’ll never know how much Grant goes for, when he eventually leaves. If you want the right to know then getting on the board seems the way to go. Keep saying I buy my season card and it gives me the right to watch 23 home games in the stadium(usually) with all safety guidelines being met. Town will complete the games with a team and subs. That's it.. If and when I dont accept these terms I will cease paying in. The truth is that in the last 2 seasons i have considered knocking it on the head but only due to the lack of effort/commitment on the pitch, not the board or the finances or even the lack of any great quality that we should expect from the wages. I expect more graft and commitment this season, if they fail for a third season on that score, I will definitely reconsider. The finances are something that has always been an argument between fans based on guessing and personal likes/dislikes of the current chairman or board, with very little actual knowledge of the real situation or person? |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 15, 2020 11:05:21 GMT 1
Grant leaves when the price we want and the price WBA are prepared to pay meet somewhere in the middle. Selling for millions less would simply be another thing to bash Phil with.. Transfers have now seemingly become more complicated and difficult than International treaties?? I guess it's so more people get a piece of the pie?? No doubt the fee will be ‘undisclosed’, though. We’ll never know how much Grant goes for, when he eventually leaves. They can’t say it will mean everyone we want will go through roof on prices Announce when the window closes? |
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Post by stable on Sept 15, 2020 11:05:25 GMT 1
If we only get a small upfront fee, then the substantial sell-on for Charlton, plus the tax on the profit, would soon eat that up.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 15, 2020 11:06:30 GMT 1
If the Grant sale kicks it all off then we're playing an extremely dangerous game................................ We may / are likely to have no choice |
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Post by thongsbridge on Sept 15, 2020 11:08:24 GMT 1
I take it Grant isn't training with us then? Wrapped in cotton wool I'd hope. |
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Post by royrace on Sept 15, 2020 11:12:04 GMT 1
Lets be honest we need to just let Grant go now so we can invest the money on his replacement and actually improve the side, the hard ball is boring they either need to take it or leave it. If we end up selling him like a week before the deadline with no time to replace there will be absolute carnage and although I have stuck up for him PH would deserve every criticism he gets. We fucked about with Kongolo potentially being sold last summer. That went well for us. Hope lessons have been learned from that. Shirt sponsor negotiations obviously went well also, I wonder how many back office salaries that would pay? Any other championship teams without a sponsor? Or any in the whole pyramid for that matter? |
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