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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Sept 18, 2020 11:08:45 GMT 1
Any updates on the lad from Ajax on loan?? Seemed like a credible source. PeteO Sky. Anyone can see we’re desperately in need of championship standard players, without some signings Carlos has no chance. There were encouraging signs against Norwich but everybody knew it would be Huddersfield nil at the final whistle. I fear we're setting transfers up in the hope Grant gets moved on. Reading between the lines, we could genuinely have missed out on a number of targets due to us messing around waiting for funds, I hope I'm wrong. |
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Post by royrace on Sept 18, 2020 11:10:20 GMT 1
It's not West Brom that need to play ball.....It's us that need to play ball with them and get the deal done rather than holding out for more money, better payment terms etc etc. We did the same with Kongolo last year. Grant should have been sold 3-4 weeks ago. We have no idea what WBA are offering though. They may be offering £15m, but it's £5m guaranteed with the rest based on goals, appearances, WBA staying up plus anything else. Should we accept that? Would you? I wouldn't. It's easy to say get on with it when we all know we need reinforcements. But there's only really Grant and O'Brien that we can get good money from, so we need to maximise the deal for Grant and not end up having to sell O'Brien. I'd take £10m guaranteed, with an extra £5m based on reasonable extras (not WBA staying up!). I'd then have a 40% sell-on and another £5m on unreasonable extras 😂 Like anything he’s worth what someone is prepared to pay and right now only WBA seem to be interested. I wouldn’t mind if we genuinely were interested in keeping him but we’re not, we’re absolutely desperate to sell. It’s obvious to anyone looking at the state of the squad and our recent dealings. Time to make it happen, as someone has alluded to trying to be clever with Kongolo turned out to be very false economy and has probably cost millions. This feels a bit like the Mooy deal, amazing to me it happened so late in the window but left no time to replace him. You’d also think we might be interested in one or two of their strikers since we only have two and both are massively injury prone, apparently not, probably too expensive. |
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Post by 4 pts on Sept 18, 2020 11:16:21 GMT 1
This is the problem when there is seemly only one club looking at him. I reckon it would have been done a couple of weeks ago if there were 2 or 3 clubs involved. Snap We need Derby 2015 to enter the race Craig. £20m and Rooney's wages matched, problem solved  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 11:24:39 GMT 1
I have to say that our lack of activity this week is astounding. We all know we need to get a few in, and we know that some or all of these will be loans - surely these are low financial risk so can be done without the need for Grant/Flo to go? We've cleared so much off the wage bill and brought in fees - the lack of movement and communication is ridiculous. how the hell do you know there is a lack of communication?im sure the club are communicating with players clubs all the time.as for activity just because they don't give a running commentary on what goes on every day you say there is a lack of activity.!when thereis anything significant ie new in or out they will tell you as always. chill out and keep calm. |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 18, 2020 11:25:53 GMT 1
When you see a long time and dare I say it respected poster commenting like this, very much time to be concerned. The guy was useless at the basics how do explain his many shots that never troubled a keeper. if we need goals VLP is not the answer end of. I suspect you may have replied to the wrong post there? |
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Post by 4 pts on Sept 18, 2020 11:26:22 GMT 1
We have no idea what WBA are offering though. They may be offering £15m, but it's £5m guaranteed with the rest based on goals, appearances, WBA staying up plus anything else. Should we accept that? Would you? I wouldn't. It's easy to say get on with it when we all know we need reinforcements. But there's only really Grant and O'Brien that we can get good money from, so we need to maximise the deal for Grant and not end up having to sell O'Brien. I'd take £10m guaranteed, with an extra £5m based on reasonable extras (not WBA staying up!). I'd then have a 40% sell-on and another £5m on unreasonable extras 😂 Like anything he’s worth what someone is prepared to pay and right now only WBA seem to be interested. I wouldn’t mind if we genuinely were interested in keeping him but we’re not, we’re absolutely desperate to sell. It’s obvious to anyone looking at the state of the squad and our recent dealings. Time to make it happen, as someone has alluded to trying to be clever with Kongolo turned out to be very false economy and has probably cost millions. This feels a bit like the Mooy deal, amazing to me it happened so late in the window but left no time to replace him. You’d also think we might be interested in one or two of their strikers since we only have two and both are massively injury prone, apparently not, probably too expensive. And we screwed ourselves over on that one by playing him against Derby. Probably lost a couple of mil in January because only Brighton could buy him |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 18, 2020 11:29:45 GMT 1
When you see a long time and dare I say it respected poster commenting like this, very much time to be concerned. Not sure about that, but it's certainly the first period since the Davy era where I've been profoundly concerned about the running of the club at all levels, on and off the pitch. Phil Has had over a year and apart from a few bad tempered Twitter forays and an appearance on the Takes That Chance Podcast that raised more questions than it answered, communication is non existent. Sean Jarvis currently tweets more about the club than anyone still involved at a higher level. It's a retrograde step and we appear to be in total disarray. Of course, it may all be going according to some master plan, but without the club being open with us or engaging the fan base (arguably our biggest asset and most attractive marketing tool?) we are forced to speculate. We currently have a striker way past his best (and his best was never that great) and another who wasn't brilliant first time he was here and whom we got for nowt - all this in a side that has struggled to score goals for 4 or 5 years, periods when we always had better than we have now available to us. I don't think anyone can argue with any of that. I worry that we are watching the club slowly self combust and end up in the footballing backwaters. If that happens it will be such a waste. As you say there maybe a master plan that could come good but at the moment you hope for better every week and every week you just get more concerned. I am particularly uncomfortable with my perception. It feels as if that because we had 2 great seasons we should accept a return to struggle. I am not saying this is true but with everyday that we aren't communicated with that feeling grows stronger. The silence from the club is as concerning as it is insulting. Town fans are straight forward in the main, tell us the truth, respect us and we will steadfastly support the club. It feels that because there has been some mindless (and unhelpful/unacceptable) comments on social media we are all put on a media black out. It is absolutely true that we have a few weeks before the full transfer window closes. It is also true that Covid isn't helping anyone at the moment. However from the dramatic sacking of the Cowleys, which led to a degree of cautious optimism that we had thought things through and had a plan. The evidence since has led to more questions than answers as to where we are heading. I think as a fan base we are realistic about what we can afford but anyone, and with the pre-season previews this has proven to be true, can look at our squad and spot significant deficiencies. You therefore worry that these are not being addressed. Yesterday's comment that we were looking at Ward and Campbell as our strikers was equally alarming and baffling. Even if we had goals across the rest of the team this would be a worrying comment. We don't have much time left to address this, if the window closes without significant change I think we all fear the worst. If that happens what will PH tell us then? Will he say anything? The problem is the history of Town is a litany of poor decisions that have seen positions of relative strength not built upon the list is endless; Losing Shankly Not supporting Ian Greaves Not supporting Mick Buxton after his 2nd promotion Letting Neil Warnock go Losing our nerve and selling Marcus Stewart Add to this list not having a coherent plan for a long term future when we achieved promotion to the Premier League. Town fans will be justified in saying...."seen it all before". The Covid position could see fans say "sod it" and it will take a lot to bring them back. The one thing we all have in common, either consciously or subconsciously, that the club could be successful but I wonder the latest episode may kill that hope for a generation. The sad thing is that I think those currently in charge of the club really don't get any of this. They give the impression of being out of touch and dismissive of us as fans. It is really disappointing and if things don't turn round, and I very much hope they will, the damage of how things have gone in the past 2 years is something we never recover from again. |
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Post by arry11 on Sept 18, 2020 11:33:32 GMT 1
VLP..took us up 50 yards a few times, held it, held it, held it, came all the way back and played a square ball to an opponent, break they score.. One game he beat the same man 4 times..then lost it.. I'm all for running with the ball and running at opponents but!!!!!!! He held the ball because when there was no viable pass available the aim was not to lose possession . I’m convinced that with the shackles taken off he’d be one hell of an attacking threat. The guy was useless at the basics how do explain his many shots that never troubled a keeper. if we need goals VLP is not the answer end of. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 18, 2020 11:35:17 GMT 1
We have no idea what WBA are offering though. They may be offering £15m, but it's £5m guaranteed with the rest based on goals, appearances, WBA staying up plus anything else. Should we accept that? Would you? I wouldn't. It's easy to say get on with it when we all know we need reinforcements. But there's only really Grant and O'Brien that we can get good money from, so we need to maximise the deal for Grant and not end up having to sell O'Brien. I'd take £10m guaranteed, with an extra £5m based on reasonable extras (not WBA staying up!). I'd then have a 40% sell-on and another £5m on unreasonable extras 😂 Like anything he’s worth what someone is prepared to pay and right now only WBA seem to be interested. I wouldn’t mind if we genuinely were interested in keeping him but we’re not, we’re absolutely desperate to sell. It’s obvious to anyone looking at the state of the squad and our recent dealings. Time to make it happen, as someone has alluded to trying to be clever with Kongolo turned out to be very false economy and has probably cost millions. This feels a bit like the Mooy deal, amazing to me it happened so late in the window but left no time to replace him. You’d also think we might be interested in one or two of their strikers since we only have two and both are massively injury prone, apparently not, probably too expensive. But here's the thing....surely we should be in a stronger position than to have to rely on one big deal going through before we can sign new players? It's not very good really is it? |
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Post by arroloui on Sept 18, 2020 11:36:26 GMT 1
but if I said it i would be a wanker? .. I bow to you my lord 🙄🙄 FFS you couldn't make it up talk about kissing ass Did you miss the word 'respected'? Respect is earned, as is being called a wanker. Don't give up hope though. Maybe one day you'll be coherent enough to be a cockwomble 👍 brown tongue 👅 |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 11:39:58 GMT 1
Not sure about that, but it's certainly the first period since the Davy era where I've been profoundly concerned about the running of the club at all levels, on and off the pitch. Phil Has had over a year and apart from a few bad tempered Twitter forays and an appearance on the Takes That Chance Podcast that raised more questions than it answered, communication is non existent. Sean Jarvis currently tweets more about the club than anyone still involved at a higher level. It's a retrograde step and we appear to be in total disarray. Of course, it may all be going according to some master plan, but without the club being open with us or engaging the fan base (arguably our biggest asset and most attractive marketing tool?) we are forced to speculate. We currently have a striker way past his best (and his best was never that great) and another who wasn't brilliant first time he was here and whom we got for nowt - all this in a side that has struggled to score goals for 4 or 5 years, periods when we always had better than we have now available to us. I don't think anyone can argue with any of that. I worry that we are watching the club slowly self combust and end up in the footballing backwaters. If that happens it will be such a waste. As you say there maybe a master plan that could come good but at the moment you hope for better every week and every week you just get more concerned. I am particularly uncomfortable with my perception. It feels as if that because we had 2 great seasons we should accept a return to struggle. I am not saying this is true but with everyday that we aren't communicated with that feeling grows stronger. The silence from the club is as concerning as it is insulting. Town fans are straight forward in the main, tell us the truth, respect us and we will steadfastly support the club. It feels that because there has been some mindless (and unhelpful/unacceptable) comments on social media we are all put on a media black out. It is absolutely true that we have a few weeks before the full transfer window closes. It is also true that Covid isn't helping anyone at the moment. However from the dramatic sacking of the Cowleys, which led to a degree of cautious optimism that we had thought things through and had a plan. The evidence since has led to more questions than answers as to where we are heading. I think as a fan base we are realistic about what we can afford but anyone, and with the pre-season previews this has proven to be true, can look at our squad and spot significant deficiencies. You therefore worry that these are not being addressed. Yesterday's comment that we were looking at Ward and Campbell as our strikers was equally alarming and baffling. Even if we had goals across the rest of the team this would be a worrying comment. We don't have much time left to address this, if the window closes without significant change I think we all fear the worst. If that happens what will PH tell us then? Will he say anything? The problem is the history of Town is a litany of poor decisions that have seen positions of relative strength not built upon the list is endless; Losing Shankly Not supporting Ian Greaves Not supporting Mick Buxton after his 2nd promotion Letting Neil Warnock go Losing our nerve and selling Marcus Stewart Add to this list not having a coherent plan for a long term future when we achieved promotion to the Premier League. Town fans will be justified in saying...."seen it all before". The Covid position could see fans say "sod it" and it will take a lot to bring them back. The one thing we all have in common, either consciously or subconsciously, that the club could be successful but I wonder the latest episode may kill that hope for a generation. The sad thing is that I think those currently in charge of the club really don't get any of this. They give the impression of being out of touch and dismissive of us as fans. It is really disappointing and if things don't turn round, and I very much hope they will, the damage of how things have gone in the past 2 years is something we never recover from again. we did not let neil Warnock go neil left on a point of principle and any one with any self respect would have done the same. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 18, 2020 11:41:50 GMT 1
I don't think anyone can argue with any of that. I worry that we are watching the club slowly self combust and end up in the footballing backwaters. If that happens it will be such a waste. As you say there maybe a master plan that could come good but at the moment you hope for better every week and every week you just get more concerned. I am particularly uncomfortable with my perception. It feels as if that because we had 2 great seasons we should accept a return to struggle. I am not saying this is true but with everyday that we aren't communicated with that feeling grows stronger. The silence from the club is as concerning as it is insulting. Town fans are straight forward in the main, tell us the truth, respect us and we will steadfastly support the club. It feels that because there has been some mindless (and unhelpful/unacceptable) comments on social media we are all put on a media black out. It is absolutely true that we have a few weeks before the full transfer window closes. It is also true that Covid isn't helping anyone at the moment. However from the dramatic sacking of the Cowleys, which led to a degree of cautious optimism that we had thought things through and had a plan. The evidence since has led to more questions than answers as to where we are heading. I think as a fan base we are realistic about what we can afford but anyone, and with the pre-season previews this has proven to be true, can look at our squad and spot significant deficiencies. You therefore worry that these are not being addressed. Yesterday's comment that we were looking at Ward and Campbell as our strikers was equally alarming and baffling. Even if we had goals across the rest of the team this would be a worrying comment. We don't have much time left to address this, if the window closes without significant change I think we all fear the worst. If that happens what will PH tell us then? Will he say anything? The problem is the history of Town is a litany of poor decisions that have seen positions of relative strength not built upon the list is endless; Losing Shankly Not supporting Ian Greaves Not supporting Mick Buxton after his 2nd promotion Letting Neil Warnock go Losing our nerve and selling Marcus Stewart Add to this list not having a coherent plan for a long term future when we achieved promotion to the Premier League. Town fans will be justified in saying...."seen it all before". The Covid position could see fans say "sod it" and it will take a lot to bring them back. The one thing we all have in common, either consciously or subconsciously, that the club could be successful but I wonder the latest episode may kill that hope for a generation. The sad thing is that I think those currently in charge of the club really don't get any of this. They give the impression of being out of touch and dismissive of us as fans. It is really disappointing and if things don't turn round, and I very much hope they will, the damage of how things have gone in the past 2 years is something we never recover from again. we did not let neil Warnock go neil left on a point of principle and any one with any self respect would have done the same. Agreed, but that could have been avoided |
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Post by arroloui on Sept 18, 2020 11:42:22 GMT 1
Did you miss the word 'respected'? Respect is earned, as is being called a wanker. Don't give up hope though. Maybe one day you'll be coherent enough to be a cockwomble 👍 I like to think that when I post about football I try to use logic/reason and add value. Sure, when I am on the politics sub board I'm a different beast, but then it comes to football I try to explain my posts, back them up somehow and not just post incessantly negative posts lacking in context. Loui is angry that he got a yellow and doesn't seem to want to let it go. yeah your right ✅ But just because I dont use the same wording as you its still criticism of the club .. Same as me Talk a out glass houses.. |
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Post by arry11 on Sept 18, 2020 11:43:33 GMT 1
I like to think that when I post about football I try to use logic/reason and add value. Sure, when I am on the politics sub board I'm a different beast, but then it comes to football I try to explain my posts, back them up somehow and not just post incessantly negative posts lacking in context. Loui is angry that he got a yellow and doesn't seem to want to let it go. yeah your right ✅ But just because I dont use the same wording as you its still criticism of the club .. Same as me Talk a out glass houses.. FFS SHUT UP |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 11:46:11 GMT 1
we did not let neil Warnock go neil left on a point of principle and any one with any self respect would have done the same. Agreed, but that could have been avoided yes it could you are right but the chairman at the time backtracked and once that happened there was no way back neil was happy just won playoffs and then that happened. |
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Post by dugnet on Sept 18, 2020 11:48:00 GMT 1
Agreed, but that could have been avoided yes it could you are right but the chairman at the time backtracked and once that happened there was no way back neil was happy just won playoffs and then that happened. It is therefore a fair example of a poor decision by those in charge of the club down the years. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 18, 2020 11:53:50 GMT 1
Garner gone Watford
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Post by arroloui on Sept 18, 2020 11:54:26 GMT 1
yeah your right ✅ But just because I dont use the same wording as you its still criticism of the club .. Same as me Talk a out glass houses.. FFS SHUT UP 😁😄 |
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Post by Camel Grabber on Sept 18, 2020 11:55:20 GMT 1
Long term we will be in a better financial position, I can see why the club are doing things this way, but they also need to realise that we need bums on seats when we are allowed back in. We need something to excite us.
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Post by Stavros on Sept 18, 2020 12:02:47 GMT 1
He held the ball because when there was no viable pass available the aim was not to lose possession . I’m convinced that with the shackles taken off he’d be one hell of an attacking threat. The guy was useless at the basics how do explain his many shots that never troubled a keeper. if we need goals VLP is not the answer end of. What do you mean 'end of'? What's that bollocks? Are we all supposed to change our view now because Arry said 'end of'? Do you say 'rant over' when you've got to the end of a rant too? FFS.  |
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Post by space hardware on Sept 18, 2020 12:04:10 GMT 1
Long term we will be in a better financial position, I can see why the club are doing things this way, but they also need to realise that we need bums on seats when we are allowed back in. We need something to excite us. Never mind "long term", if we don't get some Championship ready players in during this window we're probably looking at League One in the short term. Season tickets will be a tough sell for the club when fans are back in the stadium, even at £250 a pop. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 18, 2020 12:05:28 GMT 1
He held the ball because when there was no viable pass available the aim was not to lose possession . I’m convinced that with the shackles taken off he’d be one hell of an attacking threat. The guy was useless at the basics how do explain his many shots that never troubled a keeper. if we need goals VLP is not the answer end of. And yet he's been our only winger that's remotely bothered opponents since Pilks and Jug Ears |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 18, 2020 12:08:01 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2020 12:08:35 GMT 1
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Post by arry11 on Sept 18, 2020 12:10:33 GMT 1
The guy was useless at the basics how do explain his many shots that never troubled a keeper. if we need goals VLP is not the answer end of. And yet he's been our only winger that's remotely bothered opponents since Pilks and Jug Ears That does mean we have too go down the same road we lack scoring goals and need too buck the trend attacking forwards need too do more damage |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 18, 2020 12:18:44 GMT 1
He held the ball because when there was no viable pass available the aim was not to lose possession . I’m convinced that with the shackles taken off he’d be one hell of an attacking threat. I'm all for possession.. Not a great believer in possession for it's own sake no matter how it puts the whole team out of position.. 2 incidents from the norwich game reinforced this.. Schindler gets stick for putting the ball out for a corner, he could have tried to play, we organised and they didnt score. 0 0 at 80 plus minutes, we overplay and Stearman ends up facing his own goal, has extra touches allowing norwich to move up before he plays a bad back pass. We play the ball forward at any point in this and they dont get an easy goal, they probably dont score at all. Bad possession is worse than playing a percentage forward ball.. It might be me but I think I have seen more bad, easy, mistake ridden goals than really good ones?? We have become experts at aiding and abetting the opposition.. Quite agree with you on this. But players play to the orders of the coach which sometimes means that their natural inclination to attack is stifled as was the case with VLP imo. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 18, 2020 12:20:01 GMT 1
I can't believe anyone wouldn't take VLP back right now. He is better than any other wide player currently at the club and it doesn't look like we are able to attract anyone who would be better than him
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Post by detox on Sept 18, 2020 12:23:40 GMT 1
So what's the problem at WBA? Someone told me they have to sell first but surely they're loaded now. We need to start playing Grant now and hope he cam rattle in some goals, might start a bidding wary.
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Post by Camel Grabber on Sept 18, 2020 12:24:15 GMT 1
Long term we will be in a better financial position, I can see why the club are doing things this way, but they also need to realise that we need bums on seats when we are allowed back in. We need something to excite us. Never mind "long term", if we don't get some Championship ready players in during this window we're probably looking at League One in the short term. Season tickets will be a tough sell for the club when fans are back in the stadium, even at £250 a pop. The way some fans are going on there would be no long term as the club will go bust. We will come back stronger than most the way we are playing it. It's a risk, don't get me wrong, but the money we are saving by getting rid of high earners will be needed in months to come |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Sept 18, 2020 12:29:49 GMT 1
I have to say that our lack of activity this week is astounding. We all know we need to get a few in, and we know that some or all of these will be loans - surely these are low financial risk so can be done without the need for Grant/Flo to go? We've cleared so much off the wage bill and brought in fees - the lack of movement and communication is ridiculous. how the hell do you know there is a lack of communication?im sure the club are communicating with players clubs all the time.as for activity just because they don't give a running commentary on what goes on every day you say there is a lack of activity.!when thereis anything significant ie new in or out they will tell you as always. chill out and keep calm. Lack of communication with the fans - it's at the lowest level I can remember in years. There seems to be no desire to engage with the fanbase any more, whereas in the Hoyle era we have Jarvis, Hoyle et al doing Q and As, engaging on social media and so on. And I'm perfectly calm, just concerned. |
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