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Post by leroy212 on Jul 17, 2020 21:17:50 GMT 1
Wonder how Sunderland are going to get on given they currently spend £30million+ on wages. Can’t see the cap happening. It would be more feasible to say 70% of turnover. I think any cap will be for new contracts, rather than existing contracts. However, I agree with you that it should relate to turnover rather than a fixed amount. I also don't think clubs should be allowed to borrow money to buy players either. Any transfers should have to be paid from within existing funds or be funded by a cash injection (not loan) from a shareholder. I thought they had something that related to turnover and how much they could spend already. I maybe wrong tho |
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 17, 2020 21:34:01 GMT 1
I'm guessing that we will be selling Mooy this window. With the London Bridge thrown in? 😉 I must have unconsciously tried to blank out selling Mooy from my memory. I thought we may have had another £15 mill still to come. |
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Jul 17, 2020 22:36:58 GMT 1
I hate to p*ss on your chips lads but... If we couldn't afford to extend Stankovics' contract as a squad player, then we can't afford to get the right players in. More loans, has beens and Herbert Bockhorns I reckon. I really hope I'm proved wrong though. Our only hope is that shifting the forest-worth of deadwood will free up some funds but frankly pretty much everyone has managed to devalue themselves by a disgusting amount. I guess that the Cowleys would want to keep him as a squad player, it would be a decision that they would make based upon how much he would take out of their budget. They would feel that they can get more value for money elsewhere. |
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 17, 2020 23:49:52 GMT 1
Wonder how Sunderland are going to get on given they currently spend £30million+ on wages. Can’t see the cap happening. It would be more feasible to say 70% of turnover. Salary cap is a great idea. Fixed amount, fair competition (except for the brown paper bags at service stations). I had a look at Owlstalk the other day looking for any insight on their transgression, but was gobsmacked to find a significant proportion of posters on there advocating a fixed salary cap. No, none of your percentage of income bollocks thanks, which can all be manipulated |
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Post by ruggedivy on Jul 17, 2020 23:57:07 GMT 1
Wonder how Sunderland are going to get on given they currently spend £30million+ on wages. Can’t see the cap happening. It would be more feasible to say 70% of turnover. Salary cap is a great idea. Fixed amount, fair competition (except for the brown paper bags at service stations). I had a look at Owlstalk the other day looking for any insight on their transgression, but was gobsmacked to find a significant proportion of posters on there advocating a fixed salary cap. No, none of your percentage of income bollocks thanks, which can all be manipulated Okay flower.. whatever you say.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2020 23:59:57 GMT 1
Wonder how Sunderland are going to get on given they currently spend £30million+ on wages. Can’t see the cap happening. It would be more feasible to say 70% of turnover. Salary cap is a great idea. Fixed amount, fair competition (except for the brown paper bags at service stations). I had a look at Owlstalk the other day looking for any insight on their transgression, but was gobsmacked to find a significant proportion of posters on there advocating a fixed salary cap. No, none of your percentage of income bollocks thanks, which can all be manipulated It’s a great idea only if football drops it’s current model and moves to a franchise basis. (It should). |
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Post by specialun on Jul 18, 2020 0:13:18 GMT 1
Chairman Phil has plenty of cash - he told us this time last year
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 18, 2020 0:19:07 GMT 1
Salary cap is a great idea. Fixed amount, fair competition (except for the brown paper bags at service stations). I had a look at Owlstalk the other day looking for any insight on their transgression, but was gobsmacked to find a significant proportion of posters on there advocating a fixed salary cap. No, none of your percentage of income bollocks thanks, which can all be manipulated Okay flower.. whatever you say.. Thanks Ivy. |
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Post by ruggedivy on Jul 18, 2020 0:20:59 GMT 1
Okay flower.. whatever you say.. Thanks Ivy. Any time cherub |
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Post by townrwe on Jul 18, 2020 0:58:28 GMT 1
Chairman Phil has plenty of cash - he told us this time last year Its gonna take 3 windows to be competitive.... this year was consolidation and luckily this next window is window 3 so we gonna spend big. |
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Post by impact on Jul 18, 2020 1:46:56 GMT 1
Wonder how Sunderland are going to get on given they currently spend £30million+ on wages. Can’t see the cap happening. It would be more feasible to say 70% of turnover. FFP is already like that in L1 and L2. I don't know the figures off hand but it's wages as a % of turnover as the limit. |
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Post by htfctx on Jul 18, 2020 2:54:25 GMT 1
Salary cap is a great idea. Fixed amount, fair competition (except for the brown paper bags at service stations). I had a look at Owlstalk the other day looking for any insight on their transgression, but was gobsmacked to find a significant proportion of posters on there advocating a fixed salary cap. No, none of your percentage of income bollocks thanks, which can all be manipulated It’s a great idea only if football drops it’s current model and moves to a franchise basis. (It should). Not just in England. All of FIFA should have financial sense, otherwise the best players follow the most money. Cutting money from one league creates an exodus to the next honey pot. |
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Post by thomo on Jul 18, 2020 7:25:20 GMT 1
Time to use the money from the players we sold last year to buy the right standard of player to challenge next year.
Phil needs to drop the ‘this team is good enough to be top 6’
I’d offload everyone if we could apart from O’Brien, Toffolo and Bacuna.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 10:25:14 GMT 1
Time to use the money from the players we sold last year to buy the right standard of player to challenge next year. Phil needs to drop the ‘this team is good enough to be top 6’ I’d offload everyone if we could apart from O’Brien, Toffolo and Bacuna. I’d say nobodies place should be “safe” if better players are available. Chalobahs performances these last few games on the other side have shown how distinctly average Toffolo is for example, defensively, in the final third, and doing that progressive building work across the middle third. I’d happily go into next season with Toffolo as first choice (we don’t have the funds and you can’t just magically replace everybody!)...but we’re going to struggle to be a top half team or creep to the edge of the play offs with such a run of the mill player in what has become a key position in modern football. |
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Post by ram on Jul 18, 2020 12:22:53 GMT 1
According to he Examiner writer Town have nil pounds in the transfer kitty.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 18, 2020 12:29:56 GMT 1
According to he Examiner writer Town have nil pounds in the transfer kitty. If I was Phil, I would be making that known too. It manages the expectations of agents, selling clubs and fans alike. And as a fan,you then have to hope for a pleasant surprise. |
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Post by aca00js on Jul 18, 2020 12:32:38 GMT 1
According to he Examiner writer Town have nil pounds in the transfer kitty. We are not alone there are going to be very few clubs who will pay transfer fees this summer. People will point to Chelsea but they are just spending the Hazard and Morata money which is guaranteed. The majority of deals will be loans, fee transfers and swap deals. |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 18, 2020 12:53:49 GMT 1
I’ll be staggered if the cowleys are here come the start of next season. I've heard today that it was actually PH who phoned in to Radio Leeds last night and was just putting a silly voice on. He planted the Lee Clark idea in to our subconcious so that we're somewhat ready when be breaks the news that he's returning on the 1st of August with Big Steve Black and Steve Watson Deals already in place to sign Smithies, Ward, Peltier, Rhodes, Roberts and Pilkington All joking aside, that was Nick. |
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Post by Dan on Jul 19, 2020 9:39:47 GMT 1
I think if we can carry on with these updates, particularly this one of a rumour of a league 2 team getting a premier league teams 4th choice keeper on loan for the season, then we could perhaps make this thread the longest and dullest ever! |
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Post by artysid on Jul 19, 2020 9:57:30 GMT 1
It's going to be difficult for players out of contract across the EFL to adjust to potentially much lower contract offers.
Probably quite a bit of poker playing between Clubs and agents.
Add to that squads that are a mix of players on currently high salaries and those on newer potentially much lower salaries in terms of moral, motivation and jelousies.
I don't know how Clubs in DI & 2 are going to survive with massively reduced gate receipts (maybe none at all for the first couple of months) and probably the Championship too.
Not sure Clubs (including ourselves) will be rushing to sign new players until they see the lie of the land. Rush in and you could be paying massively over the odds.
Will be interesting to see how players react if their Clubs offer them new contracts but on massively reduced terms.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 19, 2020 10:04:05 GMT 1
It's going to be difficult for players out of contract across the EFL to adjust to potentially much lower contract offers. Probably quite a bit of poker playing between Clubs and agents. Add to that squads that are a mix of players on currently high salaries and those on newer potentially much lower salaries in terms of moral and jelousies. I don't know how Clubs in DI & 2 are going to survive with massively reduced gate receipts (maybe none at all for the first couple of months) and probably the Championship too. Not sure Clubs (including ourselves) will be rushing to sign new players until they see the lie of the land. Rush in and you could be paying massively over the odds. Yup.. Its all unknown.. What's the baseline? We turned down 15m for grant in Jan. What's he worth now? 15? 10? 5? 500000? It's hard to tell what's going to happen. Are clubs going to pay big wages on long contracts not knowing what the future holds? I can't see it myself. I reckon for most players their last payday will be their best |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 19, 2020 10:11:54 GMT 1
It's going to be difficult for players out of contract across the EFL to adjust to potentially much lower contract offers. Probably quite a bit of poker playing between Clubs and agents. Add to that squads that are a mix of players on currently high salaries and those on newer potentially much lower salaries in terms of moral and jelousies. I don't know how Clubs in DI & 2 are going to survive with massively reduced gate receipts (maybe none at all for the first couple of months) and probably the Championship too. Not sure Clubs (including ourselves) will be rushing to sign new players until they see the lie of the land. Rush in and you could be paying massively over the odds. Yup.. Its all unknown.. What's the baseline? We turned down 15m for grant in Jan. What's he worth now? 15? 10? 5? 500000? It's hard to tell what's going to happen. Are clubs going to pay big wages on long contracts not knowing what the future holds? I can't see it myself. I reckon for most players their last payday will be their best Agreed. Going to be a lot of disappointed players and maybe those who are most realistic will get settled early whilst those who refuse to adjust to reality in time could be left without a contract. Especially with salary cap in lower leagues (is that confirmed?) |
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Post by artysid on Jul 19, 2020 10:14:31 GMT 1
Yup.. Its all unknown.. What's the baseline? We turned down 15m for grant in Jan. What's he worth now? 15? 10? 5? 500000? It's hard to tell what's going to happen. Are clubs going to pay big wages on long contracts not knowing what the future holds? I can't see it myself. I reckon for most players their last payday will be their best Agreed. Going to be a lot of disappointed players and maybe those who are most realistic will get settled early whilst those who refuse to adjust to reality in time could be left without a contract. Especially with salary cap in lower leagues (is that confirmed?) Is a salary cap, a cap on what you can pay an individual player, or the total amount you can pay a squad? |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 19, 2020 10:24:16 GMT 1
QPR set to get £4.75m for Bright Osayi-Samuel
Will be worth watching other transfers closely to calibrate where the market is at
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Jul 19, 2020 10:28:03 GMT 1
Agreed. Going to be a lot of disappointed players and maybe those who are most realistic will get settled early whilst those who refuse to adjust to reality in time could be left without a contract. Especially with salary cap in lower leagues (is that confirmed?) Is a salary cap, a cap on what you can pay an individual player, or the total amount you can pay a squad? That's my reading of it anyway. |
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Post by basil on Jul 19, 2020 10:29:08 GMT 1
I suppose that we should be rooting for a Fulham promotion. Probably our best chance of getting something back on Kongolo.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 19, 2020 10:30:29 GMT 1
A suggestion, provided we stay up......... Billy Sharp, Sheff U? I’d take him but imagine his wage demands will be too high. Billy Sharp is more one dimensional than Mounie (not having a go at either by that comment), so if he's gonna be suitable depends entirely on how we're gonna set-up. Could be a tad expensive to generally bring on from the bench. |
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 19, 2020 10:32:21 GMT 1
Wonder how Sunderland are going to get on given they currently spend £30million+ on wages. Can’t see the cap happening. It would be more feasible to say 70% of turnover. Salary cap is a great idea. Fixed amount, fair competition (except for the brown paper bags at service stations). I had a look at Owlstalk the other day looking for any insight on their transgression, but was gobsmacked to find a significant proportion of posters on there advocating a fixed salary cap. No, none of your percentage of income bollocks thanks, which can all be manipulated If they bring one in, it's clearly going to factor in existing contracts; there'll be some form of grandfathering rule in place for the first few years. |
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