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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 19, 2020 10:36:12 GMT 1
Agreed. Going to be a lot of disappointed players and maybe those who are most realistic will get settled early whilst those who refuse to adjust to reality in time could be left without a contract. Especially with salary cap in lower leagues (is that confirmed?) Is a salary cap, a cap on what you can pay an individual player, or the total amount you can pay a squad? I guess it must be player but £50k a week still sounds pretty generous for League 1 |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 19, 2020 10:39:52 GMT 1
Is a salary cap, a cap on what you can pay an individual player, or the total amount you can pay a squad? I guess it must be player but £50k a week still sounds pretty generous for League 1 Another article suggests per squad so average salary of around £125k based on a limited squad size of 20. A further reason for players to get their contracts sorted early |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 19, 2020 10:42:18 GMT 1
Just read comments from Cowley on Examiner App re the Transfer Window.
As we are a “working class” club we will only be signing “working class” players.
I assume that means we won’t be looking at any players from “Posh”.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 10:47:33 GMT 1
Just read comments from Cowley on Examiner App re the Transfer Window. As we are a “working class” club we will only be signing “working class” players. I assume that means we won’t be looking at any players from “Posh”. Once again, the Duke of Westminster's dreams have been cruelly snuffed out. |
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Post by Kenny irons on Jul 19, 2020 11:34:01 GMT 1
A target man will be high on Mr cowleys priority list for sure
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Post by ACW on Jul 19, 2020 12:09:42 GMT 1
Just read comments from Cowley on Examiner App re the Transfer Window. As we are a “working class” club we will only be signing “working class” players. I assume that means we won’t be looking at any players from “Posh”. Your post made me smile, but in all seriousness I don't care about our players backgrounds as long as they have the right qualities. I think Cowley realises there is a disconnect between many of the players and the fans. Alot of the players are seen as not caring about the club and not wanting to be here. He wants to create a team spirit that includes everybody involved in the club. I don't think for one moment he'll base his recruitment on social class - more that the players have the right qualities i.e.they have the right technical qualities but also have the right attitude. No point signing a great player if they are a potential trouble maker. We've had enough of those recently! I just hope he doesn't plan to turn us into pragmatic, physical team with little flair. We need those qualities, but I also want to see some skill and creativity too. |
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Post by alexdire on Jul 19, 2020 12:10:16 GMT 1
Just read comments from Cowley on Examiner App re the Transfer Window. As we are a “working class” club we will only be signing “working class” players. I assume that means we won’t be looking at any players from “Posh”. Once again, the Duke of Westminster's dreams have been cruelly snuffed out. The 6th Duke was offered a contract at Fulham as an apprentice, when he was a teenager. His father the 5th Duke said no, due to kissing during goal celebrations. |
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Post by btwoowah on Jul 19, 2020 12:21:09 GMT 1
Just read comments from Cowley on Examiner App re the Transfer Window. As we are a “working class” club we will only be signing “working class” players. I assume that means we won’t be looking at any players from “Posh”. Your post made me smile, but in all seriousness I don't care about our players backgrounds as long as they have the right qualities. I think Cowley realises there is a disconnect between many of the players and the fans. Alot of the players are seen as not caring about the club and not wanting to be here. He wants to create a team spirit that includes everybody involved in the club. I don't think for one moment he'll base his recruitment on social class - more that the players have the right qualities i.e.they have the right technical qualities but also have the right attitude. No point signing a great player if they are a potential trouble maker. We've had enough of those recently! I just hope he doesn't plan to turn us into pragmatic, physical team with little flair. We need those qualities, but I also want to see some skill and creativity too. What about his recruitment so far - ESR, Willock, King, Toffolo, Stearman - makes you concerned that he’ll ‘turn us into pragmatic, physical team with little flair’? This myth that the Cowleys are only proponents of hoofball needs to die. I mean, where the hell has it come from? Is it because they’re English? Recruited from the lower leagues? The stats don’t back it up, the recruitment doesn’t back it up, and fans of their previous clubs don’t back it up. It’s just weird. |
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Post by ACW on Jul 19, 2020 12:36:56 GMT 1
Your post made me smile, but in all seriousness I don't care about our players backgrounds as long as they have the right qualities. I think Cowley realises there is a disconnect between many of the players and the fans. Alot of the players are seen as not caring about the club and not wanting to be here. He wants to create a team spirit that includes everybody involved in the club. I don't think for one moment he'll base his recruitment on social class - more that the players have the right qualities i.e.they have the right technical qualities but also have the right attitude. No point signing a great player if they are a potential trouble maker. We've had enough of those recently! I just hope he doesn't plan to turn us into pragmatic, physical team with little flair. We need those qualities, but I also want to see some skill and creativity too. What about his recruitment so far - ESR, Willock, King, Toffolo, Stearman - makes you concerned that he’ll ‘turn us into pragmatic, physical team with little flair’? This myth that the Cowleys are only proponents of hoofball needs to die. I mean, where the hell has it come from? Is it because they’re English? Recruited from the lower leagues? The stats don’t back it up, the recruitment doesn’t back it up, and fans of their previous clubs don’t back it up. It’s just weird. We've hardly been a team showing loads of flair and creativity this season have we? Now that may be due to the circumstances we have been in, but if anything we've become more and more pragmatic as the season has progressed. I can only judge on what I've seen with my own eyes. I now see a team that is far more direct and pragmatic. Almost every set piece goes long and high. Even our throw-ins are chuckled high up the line in the vain hope we may win the first header. This may have been due to our relegation struggle, but it gives me cause for concern. Also, the constant talk about the need for a 'point of reference' i.e. a target man makes me wonder about the preferred style for next season. Having a target man does not necessarily mean we will play direct football, but it suggests there is a good chance we will. I hope my concerns are unfounded. Time will tell. Stearman and King are strange players to mention to back up your argument. Stearman is a traditional centre half and Andy King is hardly a player to get you off your seat. The Cowleys have a reputation for long ball tactics. Is it fully justified? I don't know, but it won't have come from nowhere. It may be exaggerated, but it's not come from thin air. Its not because they are English: there are plenty of English managers who don't play that way. Perhaps it's because they managed in the lower leagues where that sort of football is more prevalent. Perhaps other fans have seen it with their own eyes? I haven't made my mind up about the Cowleys yet. There are too many exceptional circumstances to consider. I hope they are given the opportunity to rebuild the squad and implement the tactics they prefer. Hopefully that will involve playing more attacking, creative football than we've seen for the majority of this season. That may happen, but IMO there is evidence to suggest they may go down a different route. Time will tell. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 19, 2020 12:41:11 GMT 1
What about his recruitment so far - ESR, Willock, King, Toffolo, Stearman - makes you concerned that he’ll ‘turn us into pragmatic, physical team with little flair’? This myth that the Cowleys are only proponents of hoofball needs to die. I mean, where the hell has it come from? Is it because they’re English? Recruited from the lower leagues? The stats don’t back it up, the recruitment doesn’t back it up, and fans of their previous clubs don’t back it up. It’s just weird. We've hardly been a team showing loads of flair and creativity this season have we? Now that may be due to the circumstances we have been in, but if anything we've become more and more pragmatic as the season has progressed. I can only judge on what I've seen with my own eyes. I now see a team that is far more direct and pragmatic. Almost every set piece goes long and high. Even our throw-ins are chuckled high up the line in the vain hope we may win the first header. This may have been due to our relegation struggle, but it gives me cause for concern. Also, the constant talk about the need for a 'point of reference' i.e. a target man makes me wonder about the preferred style for next season. Having a target man does not necessarily mean we will play direct football, but it suggests there is a good chance we will. I hope my concerns are unfounded. Time will tell. Stearman and King are strange players to mention to back up your argument. Stearman is a traditional centre half and Andy King is hardly a player to get you off your seat. The Cowleys have a reputation for long ball tactics. Is it fully justified? I don't know, but it won't have come from nowhere. It may be exaggerated, but it's not come from thin air. Its not because they are English: there are plenty of English managers who don't play that way. Perhaps it's because they managed in the lower leagues where that sort of football is more prevalent. I haven't made my mind up about the Cowleys yet. There are too many exceptional circumstances to consider. I hope they are given the opportunity to rebuild the squad and implement the tactics they prefer. Hopefully that will involve playing more attacking, creative football than we've seen for the majority of this season. That may happen, but IMO there is evidence to suggest they may go down a different route. Time will tell. I agree with your points completely. I want to like the Cowley’s but like you I’m not completely sold yet. Can’t wait to see who we bring in - it’s going to be an interesting few weeks. |
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Post by wigster on Jul 19, 2020 13:02:17 GMT 1
You've always been a bit of a purist Andy - nothing wrong with that of course - but I personally wouldn't give a toss if the Cowleys made us revert to long-ball "gerrit forward" stuff - IF IT MEANT that we had some goals and some excitement. For me, goals are the crucial element.
I go back 50+ years watching Town and the teams that gave me the most excitement were the Buxton/Warnock/Greaves teams. Perhaps Ian Greaves team had a few more flair players - not many - but the others were mainly effective, powerful get-it-in-their-penalty-area-as-often-as-possible teams.
Perhaps I'm too results-driven but the season I enjoyed most was the Buxton/Robins/Kindon etc etc season. Give me that any day over the more silky skills. Ideally, of course, we'll get both as they don't have to be mutually exclusive. Town's winner against West Brom had a bit of everything...
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 19, 2020 13:21:05 GMT 1
I suppose that we should be rooting for a Fulham promotion. Probably our best chance of getting something back on Kongolo. Likewise West Brom May be back in for grant if they go up |
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Post by Maynardblue on Jul 19, 2020 13:22:39 GMT 1
Is a salary cap, a cap on what you can pay an individual player, or the total amount you can pay a squad? That's my reading of it anyway. The proposed salary cap of 18m includes entire spend on players, bonuses and even agents fees |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 19, 2020 13:23:58 GMT 1
Just read comments from Cowley on Examiner App re the Transfer Window. As we are a “working class” club we will only be signing “working class” players. I assume that means we won’t be looking at any players from “Posh”. I honestly don’t get this working class stuff Schindler is very much middle class - his dad is a solicitor and he’s said in interviews he’d have gone into that profession if he’d not been a footballer. He the best professional on the books So what does a working class player mean? |
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Post by specialun on Jul 19, 2020 13:27:23 GMT 1
Just read comments from Cowley on Examiner App re the Transfer Window. As we are a “working class” club we will only be signing “working class” players. I assume that means we won’t be looking at any players from “Posh”. I honestly don’t get this working class stuff Schindler is very much middle class - his dad is a solicitor and he’s said in interviews he’d have gone into that profession if he’d not been a footballer So what does a working class player mean? Completely agree The quicker they drop this ridiculous working class club the better |
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Jul 19, 2020 13:29:56 GMT 1
I think the Cowleys are pure pragmatists. They do whatever they need to do to get the job done. If they’re afforded a superior squad they’ll open the game out. If not they’ll time waste, shrink the game time down and eek out a result (or at least that’s the plan).
I think they’ve tuned into something very important to the culture of town fans. We love someone who tries more than anything. There’s been some average footballers get hero status from fans because of the effort they put in.
And that’s really not just a given for all clubs. I used to work in the Forest ground and in my opinion they valued skill/ technique more than effort. It’s a shame for Diakhaby that he’s got neither.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 19, 2020 13:30:37 GMT 1
Just read comments from Cowley on Examiner App re the Transfer Window. As we are a “working class” club we will only be signing “working class” players. I assume that means we won’t be looking at any players from “Posh”. I honestly don’t get this working class stuff Schindler is very much middle class - his dad is a solicitor and he’s said in interviews he’d have gone into that profession if he’d not been a footballer. He the best professional on the books So what does a working class player mean? Gritty, tough-tackling, confrontational, no nonsense, do-my-job-but-do-it-well, in your face, combative? None of your namby-pamby passing, dribbling, flair players. I'm really looking forward to it. 😳🙄 |
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Post by ACW on Jul 19, 2020 13:32:44 GMT 1
You've always been a bit of a purist Andy - nothing wrong with that of course - but I personally wouldn't give a toss if the Cowleys made us revert to long-ball "gerrit forward" stuff - IF IT MEANT that we had some goals and some excitement. For me, goals are the crucial element. I go back 50+ years watching Town and the teams that gave me the most excitement were the Buxton/Warnock/Greaves teams. Perhaps Ian Greaves team had a few more flair players - not many - but the others were mainly effective, powerful get-it-in-their-penalty-area-as-often-as-possible teams. Perhaps I'm too results-driven but the season I enjoyed most was the Buxton/Robins/Kindon etc etc season. Give me that any day over the more silky skills. Ideally, of course, we'll get both as they don't have to be mutually exclusive. Town's winner against West Brom had a bit of everything... We have differing opinions on the football we like to see. Nothing wrong in that. I want to see us win above all else, but although I don't expect Man City-style footie every match, I do prefer to be entertained during matches more often than not. Otherwise I'd save myself a load of money and follow the scores on the Internet. Usually, when I get into these type of discussions, someone will say something like, "Well, I suppose you'd prefer to see us playing tippy-tappy football in our own half". No I wouldn't, and football is not that black and white. It's not a case of either John Beck-style football or passing it ineffectively in your own half. Those are extremes. Wagner is often derided for his negative football, but his teams in the Championship played high energy passing football that looked to dominate the opposition in all areas of the pitch. That's my ideal. Now I accept that Wagner has gone and so has his football. The gegenpressing actually disappeared before he did! The Cowleys are their own men and deserve time to build their own style. At times we have played good stuff undervthem, but we've also played alot of dour, pragmatic stuff. Hopefully because of the circumstances they have been operating in. As I say, I don't expect Cruyff-style total football from Town, but I have to say my heart sinks when I see every goal kick and set piece hit long and high, no matter where it is on the pitch. And when I start to see throw ins being chucked up the line rather than being used as means to restart the play with a quick throw to someone's feet, I start to fear the worst. Perhaps my concerns will be unfounded. Perhaps they won't, but the Cowleys will find a way to get results playing a more pragmatic approach. As I keep saying, time will tell. |
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Post by specialun on Jul 19, 2020 13:34:55 GMT 1
Cowley has definitely set expectations we’ve got nothing to spend, will have to buy cheap young players, loans and a few older heads on free
Chairman Phil will undoubtedly think we can win the champions league with the squad
Presumably he’ll also reconcile his statements 12 months ago re not needing to sell anyone and then selling £25m of players to the lack of a budget now
And before he and Devlin mentions Covid this applied in January when we were somehow over budget
Good luck Cowley - you’ll need it!
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 19, 2020 13:41:38 GMT 1
I think the Cowleys are pure pragmatists. They do whatever they need to do to get the job done. If they’re afforded a superior squad they’ll open the game out. If not they’ll time waste, shrink the game time down and eek out a result (or at least that’s the plan). I think they’ve tuned into something very important to the culture of town fans. We love someone who tries more than anything. There’s been some average footballers get hero status from fans because of the effort they put in. And that’s really not just a given for all clubs. I used to work in the Forest ground and in my opinion they valued skill/ technique more than effort. It’s a shame for Diakhaby that he’s got neither. I’m hoping you are right re the fact that they have tuned into the Town fans. They must realise the strength of feeling re our previous poor recruitment. If that makes them more determined to get it right then that can only be a good thing. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 19, 2020 13:43:45 GMT 1
I think the Cowleys are pure pragmatists. They do whatever they need to do to get the job done. If they’re afforded a superior squad they’ll open the game out. If not they’ll time waste, shrink the game time down and eek out a result (or at least that’s the plan). I think they’ve tuned into something very important to the culture of town fans. We love someone who tries more than anything. There’s been some average footballers get hero status from fans because of the effort they put in. And that’s really not just a given for all clubs. I used to work in the Forest ground and in my opinion they valued skill/ technique more than effort. It’s a shame for Diakhaby that he’s got neither. Fully agree Town fans (myself included) by and large always appreciate a big crunching tackle over a 40 yard cross field pass |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jul 19, 2020 13:46:28 GMT 1
Cowley has definitely set expectations we’ve got nothing to spend, will have to buy cheap young players, loans and a few older heads on free Chairman Phil will undoubtedly think we can win the champions league with the squad Presumably he’ll also reconcile his statements 12 months ago re not needing to sell anyone and then selling £25m of players to the lack of a budget now And before he and Devlin mentions Covid this applied in January when we were somehow over budget Good luck Cowley - you’ll need it! My view is next season will be easier - simply because others will implode financially and get point deductions I can’t see us threatening the top six - and would love to be wrong - but I don’t expect we’ll be scrambling to stay up For me next season is about getting on and then keeping on an even keel - then seeing what we can do in 21/22 |
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Post by specialun on Jul 19, 2020 13:50:20 GMT 1
Cowley has definitely set expectations we’ve got nothing to spend, will have to buy cheap young players, loans and a few older heads on free Chairman Phil will undoubtedly think we can win the champions league with the squad Presumably he’ll also reconcile his statements 12 months ago re not needing to sell anyone and then selling £25m of players to the lack of a budget now And before he and Devlin mentions Covid this applied in January when we were somehow over budget Good luck Cowley - you’ll need it! My view is next season will be easier - simply because others will implode financially and get point deductions I can’t see us threatening the top six - and would love to be wrong - but I don’t expect we’ll be scrambling to stay up For me next season is about getting on then keeping on an even keel - then seeing what we can do in 21/22 I agree with this. Cowley’s record which would have seen us around 14th over a full season, a good achievement. If you gave me top half next season I’d take it But Chairman Phil thinks we have a top 6 squad on paper... |
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Post by ben1987 on Jul 19, 2020 14:01:19 GMT 1
I’ll be staggered if the cowleys are here come the start of next season. I think you will be staggered then. It’s not an I told you so mate but it’s been coming for a while |
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Post by NumeroUno on Jul 19, 2020 14:10:22 GMT 1
So Cowley's gone - now what?
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Post by upthetown on Jul 19, 2020 14:10:23 GMT 1
I think you will be staggered then. It’s not an I told you so mate but it’s been coming for a while For what reasons? Too big for their boots? Style of play? Behind the scenes clashes? Out of depth? Something else? |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 19, 2020 15:01:46 GMT 1
Only 2 scenarios I can think of & I hope I'm way off the mark:
1) a takeover had been agreed on the proviso we stay in the Championship & they want their own men (pure hope & prayers on my part)
2) we stay up, the Cowleys go to PH & say we need 17 new players, here they are & PH shits himself & fires them saying they don't have the same vision for the team etc etc
Still, let's wait & see eh?
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 19, 2020 15:25:08 GMT 1
I honestly don’t get this working class stuff Schindler is very much middle class - his dad is a solicitor and he’s said in interviews he’d have gone into that profession if he’d not been a footballer. He the best professional on the books So what does a working class player mean? Gritty, tough-tackling, confrontational, no nonsense, do-my-job-but-do-it-well, in your face, combative? None of your namby-pamby passing, dribbling, flair players. I'm really looking forward to it. 😳🙄 Oh, and cheap!! Thanks, #Potless |
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Post by aca00js on Jul 19, 2020 15:26:25 GMT 1
Is a salary cap, a cap on what you can pay an individual player, or the total amount you can pay a squad? I guess it must be player but £50k a week still sounds pretty generous for League 1 Its for a 20 senior players, there will be some players who don't count towards it |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 19, 2020 15:36:25 GMT 1
I think you will be staggered then. It’s not an I told you so mate but it’s been coming for a while I saw your post the other day and thought I bet there’s something in this. Would be keen to hear reasoning. |
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