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Post by upthetown on Jul 27, 2020 12:10:07 GMT 1
Could see a place for him but unless his mid to long range passing can improve I think that place could be from the bench ifwe play 4 3 3 hogg would be perfect in the holding role in front of the back four but we really cannot say who we will have not just for the start of the season but when the transfer window closes in october Not convinced any more. I’d prefer Lewis O’Brien there. Gets his foot in and recycles possession more quickly and often looks for the forward pass. Hogg was great next to Mooy, but feel his time may be drawing to a close. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 12:15:31 GMT 1
Goodness that's rude... Would you be that rude to his face in public? Everyone saying Hogg needs to go, mental, he has a fighting mentality but he needs to be used in a very specific way. He is a classic DCM and needs a CAM / B2B next to him to get the best out of him. Having said that, the only players I would be genuinely sad to see go would be Toffolo, O'Brien and Grant as they're the only ones that I believe are genuine top 6 quality Championship. Grant and Toffolo are nowhere near top 6 quality, one has the all round game of a district league player and one's a full back that's hopeless at defending that comment is what I mean about real football people and posters like you what a stupid and immature post that is. Bloody hell you coudnt make it up district league player and hopeless at defending.?neither are perfect but you know best[ not] |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 27, 2020 12:25:45 GMT 1
Grant and Toffolo are nowhere near top 6 quality, one has the all round game of a district league player and one's a full back that's hopeless at defending that comment is what I mean about real football people and posters like you what a stupid and immature post that is. Bloody hell you coudnt make it up district league player and hopeless at defending.?neither are perfect but you know best[ not] Well, after near on 50 years of watching Town I'm still immature. If only I could be a real football person like you, in a land where everything to do with the club is beyond reproach. |
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Jul 27, 2020 12:30:05 GMT 1
Could see a place for him but unless his mid to long range passing can improve I think that place could be from the bench ifwe play 4 3 3 hogg would be perfect in the holding role in front of the back four but we really cannot say who we will have not just for the start of the season but when the transfer window closes in october I don’t think this guy will be having Hogg there. If he plays 1 holding midfielder then it will likely be someone who can pick up the ball in tight spaces and turn. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 12:37:06 GMT 1
that comment is what I mean about real football people and posters like you what a stupid and immature post that is. Bloody hell you coudnt make it up district league player and hopeless at defending.?neither are perfect but you know best[ not] Well, after near on 50 years of watching Town I'm still immature. If only I could be a real football person like you, in a land where everything to do with the club is beyond reproach. well I just beat you after watching town for over 65 years and worked in the game part time for a lot of years and no one is above reproach and like you have seen many things that could have been done better but your comment about grant and vtoffolo really was immature and wrong but you are entiled to your view as am I we will just haveto differ on this one |
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Post by dezzly on Jul 27, 2020 13:43:21 GMT 1
ifwe play 4 3 3 hogg would be perfect in the holding role in front of the back four but we really cannot say who we will have not just for the start of the season but when the transfer window closes in october I don’t think this guy will be having Hogg there. If he plays 1 holding midfielder then it will likely be someone who can pick up the ball in tight spaces and turn. Think exactly the same...need to be able to cover the ground,tackle and be able to dribble and pass to play there on your own.Hogg one of the best at first two but the second two he most certainly is not.Can see it been more of a squad role for hogg this season. |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 27, 2020 13:52:20 GMT 1
I don’t think this guy will be having Hogg there. If he plays 1 holding midfielder then it will likely be someone who can pick up the ball in tight spaces and turn. Think exactly the same...need to be able to cover the ground,tackle and be able to dribble and pass to play there on your own.Hogg one of the best at first two but the second two he most certainly is not.Can see it been more of a squad role for hogg this season. No way will Hogg just be a squad player. If it becomes apparent that this is how the new bloke will use him , I’d say he would have the pick of several clubs in the Championship. |
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Post by dezzly on Jul 27, 2020 13:55:00 GMT 1
Think exactly the same...need to be able to cover the ground,tackle and be able to dribble and pass to play there on your own.Hogg one of the best at first two but the second two he most certainly is not.Can see it been more of a squad role for hogg this season. No way will Hogg just be a squad player. If it becomes apparent that this is how the new bloke will use him , I’d say he would have the pick of several clubs in the Championship. Potentially yeh.However post covid he isn’t going to get the same wages anywhere else so he might choose to stay for that reason alone at his age.Think he has another year and then club have option of a further year |
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Jul 27, 2020 17:21:31 GMT 1
I don’t think this guy will be having Hogg there. If he plays 1 holding midfielder then it will likely be someone who can pick up the ball in tight spaces and turn. Think exactly the same...need to be able to cover the ground,tackle and be able to dribble and pass to play there on your own.Hogg one of the best at first two but the second two he most certainly is not.Can see it been more of a squad role for hogg this season.  Calm down you 2 should know better |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 27, 2020 19:56:51 GMT 1
Well, after near on 50 years of watching Town I'm still immature. If only I could be a real football person like you, in a land where everything to do with the club is beyond reproach. well I just beat you after watching town for over 65 years and worked in the game part time for a lot of years and no one is above reproach and like you have seen many things that could have been done better but your comment about grant and vtoffolo really was immature and wrong but you are entiled to your view as am I we will just haveto differ on this one OK, I was a bit over the top, Toff is great going forward but not great defensively, Grant, to me, just isn't a very good footballer. He knows where the net is but take that away and he's a passenger, he doesn't beat men, he can't hold the ball up and his passing is poor as is his ball control. |
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 27, 2020 20:09:46 GMT 1
well I just beat you after watching town for over 65 years and worked in the game part time for a lot of years and no one is above reproach and like you have seen many things that could have been done better but your comment about grant and vtoffolo really was immature and wrong but you are entiled to your view as am I we will just haveto differ on this one OK, I was a bit over the top, Toff is great going forward but not great defensively, Grant, to me, just isn't a very good footballer. He knows where the net is but take that away and he's a passenger, he doesn't beat men, he can't hold the ball up and his passing is poor as is his ball control. I agree with what you say, but his movement in the box is generally good and he is quick over short distances. He would be lethal with the right team members around him. |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 27, 2020 21:21:34 GMT 1
OK, I was a bit over the top, Toff is great going forward but not great defensively, Grant, to me, just isn't a very good footballer. He knows where the net is but take that away and he's a passenger, he doesn't beat men, he can't hold the ball up and his passing is poor as is his ball control. I agree with what you say, but his movement in the box is generally good and he is quick over short distances. He would be lethal with the right team members around him. He isn't quick over short distances. I've lost count of the amount of times hes tried to push it past a full back and completely fail to outpace them |
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Post by linson on Jul 27, 2020 22:08:53 GMT 1
So.... No rumours yet so I'll get the ball rolling....
The Hudd are obliging Al-Ahly to purchase Sobhi rather than a further loan (https://www.kingfut.com/2020/07/27/huddersfield-stance-sobhi-alahly/) with Udinese apparently interested in him (http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/6/51/375507/-.aspx)...
Hardly reputable sauce but it's interesting nonetheless...
The Hudd are considering a move for Dillon Phillips (GK) from relegated Charlton (https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/cardiff-city-and-middlesbrough-amongst-four-way-championship-pursuit-of-25-year-old/)... No real quotes, so could just be wild conjecture. Seems he played a lot of games last season at least...
I think it's positive they're looking at the GK situation and that they're getting hard on Sobhi (steady...).
Personally I'd prefer they let the new manager take a look at ALL the players, irrespective of past, fresh slate, new manager, new tactics and new mentality might get the best of them.
Out of interest Sobhi seems like he had 9 appearances, 5 goals and 1 assist whilst on loan. Not bad but potentially not a comparable league.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Jul 27, 2020 22:16:23 GMT 1
So.... No rumours yet so I'll get the ball rolling.... The Hudd are obliging Al-Ahly to purchase Sobhi rather than a further loan (https://www.kingfut.com/2020/07/27/huddersfield-stance-sobhi-alahly/) with Udinese apparently interested in him (http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/6/51/375507/-.aspx)... Hardly reputable sauce but it's interesting nonetheless... The Hudd are considering a move for Dillon Phillips (GK) from relegated Charlton (https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/cardiff-city-and-middlesbrough-amongst-four-way-championship-pursuit-of-25-year-old/)... No real quotes, so could just be wild conjecture. Seems he played a lot of games last season at least... I think it's positive they're looking at the GK situation and that they're getting hard on Sobhi (steady...). Personally I'd prefer they let the new manager take a look at ALL the players, irrespective of past, fresh slate, new manager, new tactics and new mentality might get the best of them. Out of interest Sobhi seems like he had 9 appearances, 5 goals and 1 assist whilst on loan. Not bad but potentially not a comparable league. Agree with you that in theory the new boss should be given the opportunity to form an opinion on every player we have, but at the same time, if we can get the reported €7m for Sobhi then I'd have him out the door before Corberán has even finished his summer holidays. |
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Post by linson on Jul 27, 2020 22:24:31 GMT 1
So.... No rumours yet so I'll get the ball rolling.... The Hudd are obliging Al-Ahly to purchase Sobhi rather than a further loan (https://www.kingfut.com/2020/07/27/huddersfield-stance-sobhi-alahly/) with Udinese apparently interested in him (http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/6/51/375507/-.aspx)... Hardly reputable sauce but it's interesting nonetheless... The Hudd are considering a move for Dillon Phillips (GK) from relegated Charlton (https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/cardiff-city-and-middlesbrough-amongst-four-way-championship-pursuit-of-25-year-old/)... No real quotes, so could just be wild conjecture. Seems he played a lot of games last season at least... I think it's positive they're looking at the GK situation and that they're getting hard on Sobhi (steady...). Personally I'd prefer they let the new manager take a look at ALL the players, irrespective of past, fresh slate, new manager, new tactics and new mentality might get the best of them. Out of interest Sobhi seems like he had 9 appearances, 5 goals and 1 assist whilst on loan. Not bad but potentially not a comparable league. Agree with you that in theory the new boss should be given the opportunity to form an opinion on every player we have, but at the same time, if we can get the reported €7m for Sobhi then I'd have him out the door before Corberán has even finished his summer holidays. I guess as long as we get more than £4m then we're winning... I read last year that we're turning a profit on him with loans etc so if we can get what we've paid for him then it really doesn't matter. In fact, we can have more like him to fill the coffers! |
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Post by royrace on Jul 27, 2020 23:04:08 GMT 1
I don’t think this guy will be having Hogg there. If he plays 1 holding midfielder then it will likely be someone who can pick up the ball in tight spaces and turn. Think exactly the same...need to be able to cover the ground,tackle and be able to dribble and pass to play there on your own.Hogg one of the best at first two but the second two he most certainly is not.Can see it been more of a squad role for hogg this season. We’ll do well to bring in a midfielder who is capable of pushing Hogg to the bench. Like your optimism though! |
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Post by dezzly on Jul 27, 2020 23:20:53 GMT 1
Think exactly the same...need to be able to cover the ground,tackle and be able to dribble and pass to play there on your own.Hogg one of the best at first two but the second two he most certainly is not.Can see it been more of a squad role for hogg this season. We’ll do well to bring in a midfielder who is capable of pushing Hogg to the bench. Like your optimism though! Just think if we are to play 4-3-3 as Bromby has said means one defensive midfielder and think they have to have bit more about them than hogg.Hes brilliant when playing as a two especially in promotion season and can dominate the ball with mooy etc.But as the one defensive midfielder I would think he could be suspect,be happy to see him prove me wrong though. |
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Post by NewMill Terrier on Jul 28, 2020 1:13:08 GMT 1
Sobhi to Udinese
Was a random one i saw on twitter
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Jul 28, 2020 2:30:42 GMT 1
We’ll do well to bring in a midfielder who is capable of pushing Hogg to the bench. Like your optimism though! Just think if we are to play 4-3-3 as Bromby has said means one defensive midfielder and think they have to have bit more about them than hogg.Hes brilliant when playing as a two especially in promotion season and can dominate the ball with mooy etc.But as the one defensive midfielder I would think he could be suspect,be happy to see him prove me wrong though. 100%. And getting the right man for this role is going to cost a lot unless it’s a loan - and we’re not building on solid ground if that’s the plan. I could see Hogg ending up at Middlesbrough given he moved to us to be closer to home there. He’d be a Warnock dream, and I’ll be gutted to see him go but you get the feeling we’re not compromising on anything with this new direction. |
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 28, 2020 8:30:36 GMT 1
We’ll do well to bring in a midfielder who is capable of pushing Hogg to the bench. Like your optimism though! Just think if we are to play 4-3-3 as Bromby has said means one defensive midfielder and think they have to have bit more about them than hogg.Hes brilliant when playing as a two especially in promotion season and can dominate the ball with mooy etc.But as the one defensive midfielder I would think he could be suspect,be happy to see him prove me wrong though. Having played DM in a 433 for a number of years, trust me you don’t need much more about them. Tackle and then give it to someone that can play 😉😉😂😂. Personally I think Hogg will be fine in there. The 2 other midfielders are a little closer and therefore should be easier to play more forward. Would a better player (not O’Brien) be great to have there? Of course, but with the potential problems we have finding players for the front 3, GK and RB, Hoggs position isn’t one we need to prioritise. |
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Post by dezzly on Jul 28, 2020 8:44:31 GMT 1
Just think if we are to play 4-3-3 as Bromby has said means one defensive midfielder and think they have to have bit more about them than hogg.Hes brilliant when playing as a two especially in promotion season and can dominate the ball with mooy etc.But as the one defensive midfielder I would think he could be suspect,be happy to see him prove me wrong though. Having played DM in a 433 for a number of years, trust me you don’t need much more about them. Tackle and then give it to someone that can play 😉😉😂😂. Personally I think Hogg will be fine in there. The 2 other midfielders are a little closer and therefore should be easier to play more forward. Would a better player (not O’Brien) be great to have there? Of course, but with the potential problems we have finding players for the front 3, GK and RB, Hoggs position isn’t one we need to prioritise. Yeh I take your points.Think I just meant more specifically if hogg were to receive the ball and come under heavy press/pressure he could be guilty of giving it away a lot and inviting the other team onto us. I agree though that other positions are definitely more of a priority |
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Post by bigtruck on Jul 28, 2020 9:24:28 GMT 1
Having played DM in a 433 for a number of years, trust me you don’t need much more about them. Tackle and then give it to someone that can play 😉😉😂😂. Personally I think Hogg will be fine in there. The 2 other midfielders are a little closer and therefore should be easier to play more forward. Would a better player (not O’Brien) be great to have there? Of course, but with the potential problems we have finding players for the front 3, GK and RB, Hoggs position isn’t one we need to prioritise. Yeh I take your points.Think I just meant more specifically if hogg were to receive the ball and come under heavy press/pressure he could be guilty of giving it away a lot and inviting the other team onto us. I agree though that other positions are definitely more of a priority Yeah must admit a couple times under pressure he’s either taken a bad touch or made a crap pass. I’m hoping after him (and Schindler) taking a bit of a battering confidence wise over last 2 seasons, a bit of positivity from Carlos rubs off on him and we get the Hoggy back we know is in there. (Don’t forget there were some calling for an England call up in our first PL season. 😉) |
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Post by dezzly on Jul 28, 2020 9:41:15 GMT 1
Yeh I take your points.Think I just meant more specifically if hogg were to receive the ball and come under heavy press/pressure he could be guilty of giving it away a lot and inviting the other team onto us. I agree though that other positions are definitely more of a priority Yeah must admit a couple times under pressure he’s either taken a bad touch or made a crap pass. I’m hoping after him (and Schindler) taking a bit of a battering confidence wise over last 2 seasons, a bit of positivity from Carlos rubs off on him and we get the Hoggy back we know is in there. (Don’t forget there were some calling for an England call up in our first PL season. 😉) Yeh true we are all pretty quick to forget,and can happen a lot that a different manager makes a certain player look almost unrecognisable under them.Like you said the main thing in all of this maybe that we have bigger areas of priority and if nothing else you know you will get 100% from hogg |
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 28, 2020 10:37:52 GMT 1
We’ll do well to bring in a midfielder who is capable of pushing Hogg to the bench. Like your optimism though! Just think if we are to play 4-3-3 as Bromby has said means one defensive midfielder and think they have to have bit more about them than hogg.Hes brilliant when playing as a two especially in promotion season and can dominate the ball with mooy etc.But as the one defensive midfielder I would think he could be suspect,be happy to see him prove me wrong though. That’s good as I’m sure he will. |
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Post by londonterrier11 on Jul 28, 2020 11:55:29 GMT 1
I'll be honest, I'm worried for Carlos. Head Coach to me means he works with the players on the football side of things but has limited say on transfers, running of the club, facilities etc.
If what I've read about his philosophy and playing style is true, he will want to do a root and branch overhaul of the first team, but it sounds like he may just have to work with what fat Phil gives him. I can see a disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 28, 2020 12:12:41 GMT 1
Yeh I take your points.Think I just meant more specifically if hogg were to receive the ball and come under heavy press/pressure he could be guilty of giving it away a lot and inviting the other team onto us. I agree though that other positions are definitely more of a priority Yeah must admit a couple times under pressure he’s either taken a bad touch or made a crap pass. I’m hoping after him (and Schindler) taking a bit of a battering confidence wise over last 2 seasons, a bit of positivity from Carlos rubs off on him and we get the Hoggy back we know is in there. (Don’t forget there were some calling for an England call up in our first PL season. 😉) When I've seen young High he looks like they've cloned Hoggy but is better on the ball |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jul 28, 2020 12:15:17 GMT 1
I'll be honest, I'm worried for Carlos. Head Coach to me means he works with the players on the football side of things but has limited say on transfers, running of the club, facilities etc. If what I've read about his philosophy and playing style is true, he will want to do a root and branch overhaul of the first team, but it sounds like he may just have to work with what fat Phil gives him. I can see a disaster waiting to happen. You need to change what you read and watch. CC will have final say on all transfers. He'll tell Bromby and Devlin what positions he wants players for, what qualities those players need and then they'll go away, draw up a shortlist and present them to him. If he likes one enough, we'll initiate a bid. I suspect our approach will become similar to Brentford's - almost a moneyball approach. No more square pegs in round holes. If the hole is a dodecahedron, and the best dodecahedron available is liked by CC, it won't matter if he's someone we've never heard of or if they were a failure elsewhere. We'll buy players who may not have been a success elsewhere, may be unknown, may appear past it, but they fit what he wants. The business model we had for a few years of buying young players, improving them and shipping them on at a profit will evolve but not hugely, and the hope is that all the while our overall direction of travel is upwards - it's got Brentford to within sniffing distance of the EPL with a shiny new stadium. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 13:20:43 GMT 1
I'll be honest, I'm worried for Carlos. Head Coach to me means he works with the players on the football side of things but has limited say on transfers, running of the club, facilities etc. If what I've read about his philosophy and playing style is true, he will want to do a root and branch overhaul of the first team, but it sounds like he may just have to work with what fat Phil gives him. I can see a disaster waiting to happen. All your points lose credibility when you refer to PH contemptuously! |
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Post by ldotm on Jul 28, 2020 13:30:17 GMT 1
I'll be honest, I'm worried for Carlos. Head Coach to me means he works with the players on the football side of things but has limited say on transfers, running of the club, facilities etc. If what I've read about his philosophy and playing style is true, he will want to do a root and branch overhaul of the first team, but it sounds like he may just have to work with what fat Phil gives him. I can see a disaster waiting to happen. Why the need to call him fat? Some fans get so personal with him as if he’s stripped the club dry and done everything in his power to send the club under. The sacking of Cowley suggests the opposite and that he really wants a crack at us competing in the Championship. |
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jul 28, 2020 13:40:23 GMT 1
I'll be honest, I'm worried for Carlos. Head Coach to me means he works with the players on the football side of things but has limited say on transfers, running of the club, facilities etc. If what I've read about his philosophy and playing style is true, he will want to do a root and branch overhaul of the first team, but it sounds like he may just have to work with what fat Phil gives him. I can see a disaster waiting to happen. Why the need to call him fat? Some fans get so personal with him as if he’s stripped the club dry and done everything in his power to send the club under. The sacking of Cowley suggests the opposite and that he really wants a crack at us competing in the Championship. Agree. If people have an issue with the way the club was sold they need to be taking it up with someone else. I’ll give them a clue. His name is Dean |
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