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Post by Porrohman on Jul 18, 2020 13:17:58 GMT 1
Rate that dickie from oxford (centre back) plus cowley said he is looking in Germany for some players but I reckon we end up getting someone like ched Evans from fleewtood he fits into cowleys system but I have faith with the cowley's getting their own players in just need the backing off Phil but I'm excited who we bring in and next season will be enjoyable not awful like the last 2 seasons Someone like Ched Evans from Fleetwood? Jesus is this how far we have sunk Someone who doesn't understand NO to replace someone who doesn't understand NO ?
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 18, 2020 13:20:18 GMT 1
The way he refused to go back and play the last 9 games for Charlton, wanting to protect himself from an injury so not to scupper a ‘life changing move’, tells me he had a much bigger move in mind than us. I wouldn’t call HTFC a life changing move. Not where we are at at this time. Rangers are interested in him apparently Hope so, that should wrap up 10 in a row
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 13:38:59 GMT 1
Delighted we are safe! Now I’m thinking of next season - it could be quite an exciting summer which we haven’t had of late, as there is a complete squad rebuild needed. Take out loans and leavers - which existing senior pros do we expect to see back with us at the start of next season? to be honest there is so much to do its pointless speculating as so many things can change reducing the wage bill if possible will be way top of the list.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 13:44:55 GMT 1
As has been said, Hamer, Hadergonaj, Kolongo, Sobhi, Mpenza, Diahaby, Bockthorn and others not wanted or suited here eat into the wage bill that we are allowed to have so if we can't get shot then to a large extent our hands are tied. I'm most looking forward to the first departure from the high earning not wanted group! That'll give a clue to what we can expect.
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Post by ACW on Jul 18, 2020 14:06:51 GMT 1
As has been said, Hamer, Hadergonaj, Kolongo, Sobhi, Mpenza, Diahaby, Bockthorn and others not wanted or suited here eat into the wage bill that we are allowed to have so if we can't get shot then to a large extent our hands are tied. I'm most looking forward to the first departure from the high earning not wanted group! That'll give a clue to what we can expect. If we can get rid of anywhere near half of those we'll have done well. I don't think it's realistic to expect to get rid of most of them. But even if three of those go, it'll hopefully free up some funds to help the Cowleys rebuild the squad. Squad rebuilding will take time, and I think we'll all need to be patient. But as long as we see progress - even if it is slower than we'd like - then we should be reasonably satisfied.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 14:15:18 GMT 1
which existing senior pros do we expect to see back with us at the start of next season? All of those contracted. Ain't nobody buying them unless they're idiots - our players cost will far exceed their value because of the contracts they're on. Mounie, Mbenza, Diakhaby, Kongolo, Pritchard, Schindler, Bacuna, Campbell, O'Brien, Stearman, Elphick, Grant, Toffolo, (Sobhi?) So - somewhere between 7 and 12 signings (perm or loan) required depending how burned some of those bridges really are. Suspect it'll be more likely between 5 and 7 and Phil H will get his dream of showing us some of the awesome Academy products that haven't been good enough to break through into one of the worst performing Town teams in living memory!
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Post by Wingman on Jul 18, 2020 14:19:42 GMT 1
Unfair on the Academy lads that last part, you couldn’t reasonably expect kids to come in and change things in such a desperate run of games for the club. If we had been safer earlier then yes, we could’ve given them a run.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 14:26:00 GMT 1
which existing senior pros do we expect to see back with us at the start of next season? All of those contracted. Ain't nobody buying them unless they're idiots - our players cost will far exceed their value because of the contracts they're on. Mounie, Mbenza, Diakhaby, Kongolo, Pritchard, Schindler, Bacuna, Campbell, O'Brien, Stearman, Elphick, Grant, Toffolo, (Sobhi?) So - somewhere between 7 and 12 signings (perm or loan) required depending how burned some of those bridges really are. Suspect it'll be more likely between 5 and 7 and Phil H will get his dream of showing us some of the awesome Academy products that haven't been good enough to break through into one of the worst performing Town teams in living memory! Like Lewis O'Brien has done, no?
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Post by townohiofan on Jul 18, 2020 14:33:42 GMT 1
We need to address goalkeeper, right back, a box to box midfielder, a #10, 2 wingers, and a striker. That’s a lot for one window. I’d be pleased with 3 pros in their primes (we have a gluttony of 30+ and 23 and under players) and 3 promising loanees. For the other spots bring in a couple promising young players/gave academy players a chance in the first team. If those academy players/young signees can’t cut it address those holes in January. Without how much needs fixed to bring balance to the squad I don’t expect all holes to be fixed but if there’s only a couple in January we’ve done good business.
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Post by k1man999 on Jul 18, 2020 15:43:02 GMT 1
Think massive hits on the "unwanted" players will have to happen I'd let them go for a fraction of cost but with sell on clause just in case, that way we save the massive wages they are on. It's a massive job but done right it could be exciting. The only players we have who I wouldn't let go are o'brien and toffolo bids on anyone else I'd seriously concider even though it would be sad to see Schindler hogg etc go think a new start is needed.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 18, 2020 15:48:56 GMT 1
Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole. Refused to turn out for tyre club that made him. Tosser I doubt it was that straight forward. Looking at it from his point of view that he has a chance for a move that will set him up and maybe he asked Charlton if he got injured will you give me a year deal as protecting and they said no (reports are that Fraser at Bournemouth asked for this type of agreement), would you really play? Pedro and Willian at Chelsea have signed those type of deals. Ahem. Look at Stankovic's situation. Kachunga and Quaner also.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2020 15:57:43 GMT 1
Clearly a lot of work needs doing, but think its worth baring in mind that even if we had exactly the same bunch of players next season, we wouldnt have the same flirt with relegation. Our form after those first 9 games, when the new managers got into the job properly, has been comfortably mid-table. ( the flirt with relegation has been down to the disastrous start we had in other words )
Think the sort of business we do is going to be very dependant on whether we can ditch enough of the crap we lumbered ourselves with whilst in the prem. And thats isn;t going to be easy. Getting Kongolo away would be a start.. free up a lot of wages and maybe we'll even get a fee, though nothing like what we paid. Mounie is out of contract hopefully. Wont get anything for him but big saving on wage budget
Just can't see any way we'll get rid of Mbenza and Diakhaby permanently. Just got to hope we can loan them out somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 16:12:56 GMT 1
Clearly a lot of work needs doing, but think its worth baring in mind that even if we had exactly the same bunch of players next season, we wouldnt have the same flirt with relegation. Our form after those first 9 games, when the new managers got into the job properly, has been comfortably mid-table. ( the flirt with relegation has been down to the disastrous start we had in other words ) Think the sort of business we do is going to be very dependant on whether we can ditch enough of the crap we lumbered ourselves with whilst in the prem. And thats isn;t going to be easy. Getting Kongolo away would be a start.. free up a lot of wages and maybe we'll even get a fee, though nothing like what we paid. Mounie is out of contract hopefully. Wont get anything for him but big saving on wage budget Just can't see any way we'll get rid of Mbenza and Diakhaby permanently. Just got to hope we can loan them out somewhere. Mounie has 1 year left of his 4 year contract.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2020 16:38:49 GMT 1
Clearly a lot of work needs doing, but think its worth baring in mind that even if we had exactly the same bunch of players next season, we wouldnt have the same flirt with relegation. Our form after those first 9 games, when the new managers got into the job properly, has been comfortably mid-table. ( the flirt with relegation has been down to the disastrous start we had in other words ) Think the sort of business we do is going to be very dependant on whether we can ditch enough of the crap we lumbered ourselves with whilst in the prem. And thats isn;t going to be easy. Getting Kongolo away would be a start.. free up a lot of wages and maybe we'll even get a fee, though nothing like what we paid. Mounie is out of contract hopefully. Wont get anything for him but big saving on wage budget Just can't see any way we'll get rid of Mbenza and Diakhaby permanently. Just got to hope we can loan them out somewhere. Mounie has 1 year left of his 4 year contract. Bugger. Was really hoping we could ditch him. There can never have been a footballer bought for so much money, who had so little basic ability at football. His touch, control , vision and movement is that of a sunday league player.
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 18, 2020 16:56:06 GMT 1
Mounie has 1 year left of his 4 year contract. Bugger. Was really hoping we could ditch him. There can never have been a footballer bought for so much money, who had so little basic ability at football. His touch, control , vision and movement is that of a sunday league player. Mounie showed in his first couple of games what he can do. Not sure what went wrong but I’d be happy to see him leave.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 17:06:38 GMT 1
All of those contracted. Ain't nobody buying them unless they're idiots - our players cost will far exceed their value because of the contracts they're on. Mounie, Mbenza, Diakhaby, Kongolo, Pritchard, Schindler, Bacuna, Campbell, O'Brien, Stearman, Elphick, Grant, Toffolo, (Sobhi?) So - somewhere between 7 and 12 signings (perm or loan) required depending how burned some of those bridges really are. Suspect it'll be more likely between 5 and 7 and Phil H will get his dream of showing us some of the awesome Academy products that haven't been good enough to break through into one of the worst performing Town teams in living memory! Like Lewis O'Brien has done, no? He has - after having gone out and played a full season of stand-out competitive mens football at a lower level first. None of our current crop have stood out, most have barely shown enough to gain a regular start at clubs mostly much lower down the order than even Bradford City - its a big ask to step up from not being an automatic choice at Brighouse Town to being a worthwhile part of a Championship squad. O'Brien is like the once every 3 or 4 year player that we used to use to justify the old Academy system, where producing one first teamer every few years made the overall cost worthwhile. Billing was the prior example I guess. Those coming through at the moment, like Duhaney, Brown and Daly etc look like they need to go and do it elsewhere for another half season at least before they're ready to be anything other than bit parts at this level. Is there someone else coming through who will magically break into the first team next season and be a positive contributor? I've not seen them yet, whereas it was never a surprise that O'Brien or Billing would step up, one having excelled elsewhere, and one simply being gifted with the physical attributed where its harder for him to fail to be a useful squad player than be one!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 17:12:43 GMT 1
Clearly a lot of work needs doing, but think its worth baring in mind that even if we had exactly the same bunch of players next season, we wouldnt have the same flirt with relegation. The difficulty of course is Lossl + Smith-Rowe + Chalobah + Willock have been a massive part of our survival this season. (plus Danny Simpson for a short while before his legs rapidly fell off, and Grabara before he fortuitously for us banged his head when he dropped out of form). We've got to replace that lot to even get close to this seasons poor starting point.
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Post by workshyfop on Jul 18, 2020 17:28:45 GMT 1
Mounie has 1 year left of his 4 year contract. Bugger. Was really hoping we could ditch him. There can never have been a footballer bought for so much money, who had so little basic ability at football. His touch, control , vision and movement is that of a sunday league player. A Sunday League player wouldn't score nine goals in his first season in the Premier League. Wins everything in the air, but lacked service and lost confidence. Not as bad as folk make out. Still only 25, bit of good coaching and a bit of confidence and he could have a decent career. Agreed it's probably best for all concerned if he moves on though.
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Post by terriers321 on Jul 18, 2020 17:33:22 GMT 1
Bugger. Was really hoping we could ditch him. There can never have been a footballer bought for so much money, who had so little basic ability at football. His touch, control , vision and movement is that of a sunday league player. A Sunday League player wouldn't score nine goals in his first season in the Premier League. Wins everything in the air, but lacked service and lost confidence. Not as bad as folk make out. Still only 25, bit of good coaching and a bit of confidence and he could have a decent career. Agreed it's probably best for all concerned if he moves on though. He doesn't win everything in the air. And when it comes to the ball getting booted up to him from the keeper or the back the majority of the time he does win it the ball ends up going to an opposing player.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 18, 2020 17:33:47 GMT 1
Mounie has 1 year left of his 4 year contract. Bugger. Was really hoping we could ditch him. There can never have been a footballer bought for so much money, who had so little basic ability at football. His touch, control , vision and movement is that of a sunday league player. This sort of thing makes it so strange how protective you are of Pritchard. He cost about the same but his output is miles behind Mounie. Is it 1 or 2 goals in 60 odd games vs 1 goal every 110 minutes for the past 8 months, plus behind in assists. Different positions but both play in the 2 most attacking roles in our team. One has no end product, the other does. One gets constantly backed by some, the other doesn't.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 18, 2020 17:39:00 GMT 1
A Sunday League player wouldn't score nine goals in his first season in the Premier League. Wins everything in the air, but lacked service and lost confidence. Not as bad as folk make out. Still only 25, bit of good coaching and a bit of confidence and he could have a decent career. Agreed it's probably best for all concerned if he moves on though. He doesn't win everything in the air. And when it comes to the ball getting booted up to him from the keeper or the back the majority of the time he does win it the ball ends up going to an opposing player. He won more headers per game in the entire Premier League last season. Think he's top 5 in the Championship this season. I'm not sure it's his fault if he wins the header and there is nobody stood within 30 yards of him. Others players should cotton on to the fact he's going to win it and flick it on and they should gamble on that. I'm sure everyone would be delighted if he was winning headers half way in the opposition half and heading back 30 yards in to our half just so someone might get it.
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Post by royrace on Jul 18, 2020 17:56:20 GMT 1
He doesn't win everything in the air. And when it comes to the ball getting booted up to him from the keeper or the back the majority of the time he does win it the ball ends up going to an opposing player. 1 player won more headers per game in the entire Premier League last season. Think he's top 5 in the Championship this season. I'm not sure it's his fault if he wins the header and there is nobody stood within 30 yards of him. Others players should cotton on to the fact he's going to win it and flick it on and they should gamble on that. I'm sure everyone would be delighted if he was winning headers half way in the opposition half and heading back 30 yards in to our half just so someone might get it. Probably some big lads in league two that would also win a lot of headers in the PL, doesnt mean that much. I like Mounie but I’m sure we could do a lot better for the money and his all round game is weak. Hopefully we might even get a fee.
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Post by ACW on Jul 18, 2020 18:02:17 GMT 1
He doesn't win everything in the air. And when it comes to the ball getting booted up to him from the keeper or the back the majority of the time he does win it the ball ends up going to an opposing player. 1 player won more headers per game in the entire Premier League last season. Think he's top 5 in the Championship this season. I'm not sure it's his fault if he wins the header and there is nobody stood within 30 yards of him. Others players should cotton on to the fact he's going to win it and flick it on and they should gamble on that. I'm sure everyone would be delighted if he was winning headers half way in the opposition half and heading back 30 yards in to our half just so someone might get it. I'd personally like to see us replace Mounie, but if we're going to play him I'd rather we concentrated on giving him decent crosses to attack rather than relying on hitting him in the air from deep. That said, if we are going to play that way - and with Cowley repeatedly talking about the need for a 'point of reference' I suspect he wants us to play off a target man - we need to get players closer to the target, playing off him and running in behind.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 18:22:56 GMT 1
Like Lewis O'Brien has done, no? He has - after having gone out and played a full season of stand-out competitive mens football at a lower level first. None of our current crop have stood out, most have barely shown enough to gain a regular start at clubs mostly much lower down the order than even Bradford City - its a big ask to step up from not being an automatic choice at Brighouse Town to being a worthwhile part of a Championship squad. O'Brien is like the once every 3 or 4 year player that we used to use to justify the old Academy system, where producing one first teamer every few years made the overall cost worthwhile. Billing was the prior example I guess. Those coming through at the moment, like Duhaney, Brown and Daly etc look like they need to go and do it elsewhere for another half season at least before they're ready to be anything other than bit parts at this level. Is there someone else coming through who will magically break into the first team next season and be a positive contributor? I've not seen them yet, whereas it was never a surprise that O'Brien or Billing would step up, one having excelled elsewhere, and one simply being gifted with the physical attributed where its harder for him to fail to be a useful squad player than be one! Edmonds-Green has excelled at Swindon will be in the first team squad next season, 100%
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Post by Mr Breitside on Jul 18, 2020 18:24:59 GMT 1
Depending where they end up, Kiefer Moore, tall Wigan striker anyone? Wigan player wages wont come cheap... they have a £19m wage bill
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 18:32:28 GMT 1
Bugger. Was really hoping we could ditch him. There can never have been a footballer bought for so much money, who had so little basic ability at football. His touch, control , vision and movement is that of a sunday league player. A Sunday League player wouldn't score nine goals in his first season in the Premier League. Wins everything in the air, but lacked service and lost confidence. Not as bad as folk make out. Still only 25, bit of good coaching and a bit of confidence and he could have a decent career. Agreed it's probably best for all concerned if he moves on though. Was a breath of fresh air after he came on having had to endure another non contribution from Campbell, who tears round like a madman but does the square root of bugger all, constantly on the verge of a caution. What really stands out for me is how incredibly poor in the air he is, you'd expect a dirty cynical player to love mixing it up with 'accidental' flailing arms but he seems to just do the old Andy Booth,"ooh, my back, you've fouled me" trick and not much else. Mounie comes on, and his first touch is to win an aerial ball far trickier than any that Campbell failed to get close to. We're going to end up with the wrong sluggish supporting forward of the two left with us if we somehow manage to sign someone capable of scoring goals to do the bulk of the role.
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Post by ACW on Jul 18, 2020 18:38:30 GMT 1
A Sunday League player wouldn't score nine goals in his first season in the Premier League. Wins everything in the air, but lacked service and lost confidence. Not as bad as folk make out. Still only 25, bit of good coaching and a bit of confidence and he could have a decent career. Agreed it's probably best for all concerned if he moves on though. Was a breath of fresh air after he came on having had to endure another non contribution from Campbell, who tears round like a madman but does the square root of bugger all, constantly on the verge of a caution. What really stands out for me is how incredibly poor in the air he is, you'd expect a dirty cynical player to love mixing it up with 'accidental' flailing arms but he seems to just do the old Andy Booth,"ooh, my back, you've fouled me" trick and not much else. Mounie comes on, and his first touch is to win an aerial ball far trickier than any that Campbell failed to get close to. We're going to end up with the wrong sluggish supporting forward of the two left with us if we somehow manage to sign someone capable of scoring goals to do the bulk of the role. Personally, I hope we're not relying on either next season. Neither contribute enough, but given the choice I'd rather keep Mounie.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2020 18:39:47 GMT 1
Bugger. Was really hoping we could ditch him. There can never have been a footballer bought for so much money, who had so little basic ability at football. His touch, control , vision and movement is that of a sunday league player. A Sunday League player wouldn't score nine goals in his first season in the Premier League. Wins everything in the air, but lacked service and lost confidence. Not as bad as folk make out. Still only 25, bit of good coaching and a bit of confidence and he could have a decent career. Agreed it's probably best for all concerned if he moves on though. He'll score the odd header but its his actual touch and skill levels and footballing brain that are sunday league level. This season and last hes been dreadful IMO
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Post by Mr Breitside on Jul 18, 2020 18:48:14 GMT 1
I think Mounie wants to go to west brom, pre match he went and fist bumped Bilic...surely he has no connection to him. Go on Bilic take his wages off us and Pritchard's... plus our two quality wingers, oh and kongolo, go on then have Flo too. Ok you can have Grant.... 5m will do.
Take them all and you can have Hamer, Elphick and Campbell for free.
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Post by workshyfop on Jul 18, 2020 18:51:56 GMT 1
A Sunday League player wouldn't score nine goals in his first season in the Premier League. Wins everything in the air, but lacked service and lost confidence. Not as bad as folk make out. Still only 25, bit of good coaching and a bit of confidence and he could have a decent career. Agreed it's probably best for all concerned if he moves on though. He'll score the odd header but its his actual touch and skill levels and footballing brain that are sunday league level. This season and last hes been dreadful IMO It's time for him to move on, but don't think he's been as bad as you suggest. Anyway, how long is Campbell contracted with us for? Been really disappointed with him. We're desperate for a goalscorer or we'll struggle again, IMO. Assuming we get a few quid for Grant, hopefully the Cowleys have spotted a few lower down the league ladder who could do a job.
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