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Post by royrace on Jul 18, 2020 18:55:50 GMT 1
I think Mounie wants to go to west bro m, pre match he went and fist bumped Bilic...surely he has no connection to him. Go on Bilic take his wages off us and Pritchard's... plus our two quality wingers, oh and kongolo, go on then have Flo too. Ok you can have Grant.... 5m will do. Take them all and you can have Hamer, Elphick and Campbell for free. I think kachunga did too, was wondering what the connection was there too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 18:57:11 GMT 1
Top of my list of players ( who are here at the moment not those on loan) would be that little guy Prithatd .What a waste of money he has been
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 18, 2020 19:03:43 GMT 1
Top of my list of players ( who are here at the moment not those on loan) would be that little guy Prithatd .What a waste of money he has been The biggest waste of money in our history
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Post by impact on Jul 18, 2020 19:08:20 GMT 1
Top of my list of players ( who are here at the moment not those on loan) would be that little guy Prithatd .What a waste of money he has been The biggest waste of money in our history Mbenza, Sobhi and Diakhaby piss the biggest waste of money in our history award.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 18, 2020 19:08:38 GMT 1
Top of my list of players ( who are here at the moment not those on loan) would be that little guy Prithatd .What a waste of money he has been The biggest waste of money in our history Nah....the sprint twins aka the two who will rip up the championship remain miles in front of him!!!
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Post by basil on Jul 18, 2020 19:08:52 GMT 1
We get used to the idea that the sun sets, but will always rise again in the morning. Are we entitled to assume that professional football will start again in early September? The Govt. trials on allowing fans to return to sport involve cricket, horse racing and snooker in a theatre. It's hard to see that 'the science' is suddenly going to allow fans to return any time soon, so where does that leave divisions 1 and 2 with no income? The Prem will be ok on the back of tv revenues, but the Championship falls between the two.
And if it is possible, how do we shoehorn in all the games when the players now need a holiday, a pre season and we need to finish early for the Euros?
Can anyone help me?
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 18, 2020 19:16:22 GMT 1
The biggest waste of money in our history Mbenza, Sobhi and Diakhaby piss the biggest waste of money in our history award. Despite costing less than the gnome, we couldve had 3 Sobhis for what Pritchard cost
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 18, 2020 19:17:54 GMT 1
The biggest waste of money in our history Nah....the sprint twins aka the two who will rip up the championship remain miles in front of him!!! Together they cost about the same as him and have about the same amount of goals and more assists between them
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 18, 2020 19:19:22 GMT 1
We get used to the idea that the sun sets, but will always rise again in the morning. Are we entitled to assume that professional football will start again in early September? The Govt. trials on allowing fans to return to sport involve cricket, horse racing and snooker in a theatre. It's hard to see that 'the science' is suddenly going to allow fans to return any time soon, so where does that leave divisions 1 and 2 with no income? The Prem will be ok on the back of tv revenues, but the Championship falls between the two. And if it is possible, how do we shoehorn in all the games when the players now need a holiday, a pre season and we need to finish early for the Euros? Can anyone help me? Are they trialling fans at horse racing just because Handjob,the Health Minister is MP for Newmarket ?
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Post by impact on Jul 18, 2020 19:19:58 GMT 1
Mbenza, Sobhi and Diakhaby piss the biggest waste of money in our history award. Despite costing less than the gnome, we couldve had 3 Sobhis for what Pritchard cost Pritchard helped us stay up in the prem. Sobhi has played like 2 games for us. Sobhi is definitely the bigger waste of money.
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Post by linson on Jul 18, 2020 19:30:10 GMT 1
We're an impending disaster, the squad mismanagement before the Cowley's literally couldn't have been worse. From the acquisitions of Mbenza, Diakhaby, Bockhorn, Sobhi to Siewert full on losing the dressing room within 5 minutes leading to the disillusionment of the Danish contingent collapsing any hope we'd go in to the Championship with a competitive squad (just imagine if we had Zanka, Billing and Lossl from the start).
I actually think we're a case study on how not to do things these past 2 seasons.
We've still got the following spectacular triple whammy to contend with:
1. Not good enough / Youth - Coleman, Schofield, Pyke, Bockhorn, Diakhaby, Mbenza, Kongolo, Flo, R Brown, J Brown, Sobhi, Duhaney, Edmonds-Green, Daly
2. Will get plucked - O'Brien, Mounie, Grant
3. End of loan / contract - Lossl, Chalobah, ESR, Willock, Stankovich, Kachunga, Quaner, King, Simpson
Leaving these established players:
Hamer
Toffolo
Stearman
Schindler
Elphick
Hoggy
Bacuna
Pritchard
Campbell
The most worrying thing for me, however, is that Danny Cowley basically said we couldn't afford to extend Stankovic contract. If we can't afford a one year extension on a squad player (although he really should have been starting XI IMO) then how are we going to compete in the market? Lot's more bargain basement, lower league hopefuls and over the hill free transfers to come I reckon.
I've said it several times now but this summer will define who we are as a club more than any in recent memory. We're staring down the barrel of an absolute collapse and the only way to survive this is to accept that we won't have a fully competitive starting XI and that we won't get rid of everyone we want to.
In an ideal world the speed twins, Kongolo and Hamer all come back and actually want to perform for the club, which would save a fortune on transfers.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 18, 2020 19:34:34 GMT 1
Despite costing less than the gnome, we couldve had 3 Sobhis for what Pritchard cost Pritchard helped us stay up in the prem. Sobhi has played like 2 games for us. Sobhi is definitely the bigger waste of money. Sobhi only cost £5m and we've got most of that back in loan fees. We'll be lucky to give Pritchard away for free, £14m down the swanny
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 18, 2020 19:36:34 GMT 1
We're an impending disaster, the squad mismanagement before the Cowley's literally couldn't have been worse. From the acquisitions of Mbenza, Diakhaby, Bockhorn, Sobhi to Siewert full on losing the dressing room within 5 minutes leading to the disillusionment of the Danish contingent collapsing any hope we'd go in to the Championship with a competitive squad (just imagine if we had Zanka, Billing and Lossl from the start). I actually think we're a case study on how not to do things these past 2 seasons. We've still got the following spectacular triple whammy to contend with: 1. Not good enough / Youth - Coleman, Schofield, Pyke, Bockhorn, Diakhaby, Mbenza, Kongolo, Flo, R Brown, J Brown, Sobhi, Duhaney, Edmonds-Green, Daly 2. Will get plucked - O'Brien, Mounie, Grant 3. End of loan / contract - Lossl, Chalobah, ESR, Willock, Stankovich, Kachunga, Quaner, King, Simpson Leaving these established players: Hamer Toffolo Stearman Schindler Elphick Hoggy Bacuna Pritchard Campbell The most worrying thing for me, however, is that Danny Cowley basically said we couldn't afford to extend Stankovic contract. If we can't afford a one year extension on a squad player (although he really should have been starting XI IMO) then how are we going to compete in the market? Lot's more bargain basement, lower league hopefuls and over the hill free transfers to come I reckon. I've said it several times now but this summer will define who we are as a club more than any in recent memory. We're staring down the barrel of an absolute collapse and the only way to survive this is to accept that we won't have a fully competitive starting XI and that we won't get rid of everyone we want to. In an ideal world the speed twins, Kongolo and Hamer all come back and actually want to perform for the club, which would save a fortune on transfers. I'm OK with the first 3 but please god I never see Hamer on a Town shirt again 😉
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2020 19:48:34 GMT 1
which existing senior pros do we expect to see back with us at the start of next season? All of those contracted. Ain't nobody buying them unless they're idiots - our players cost will far exceed their value because of the contracts they're on. Mounie, Mbenza, Diakhaby, Kongolo, Pritchard, Schindler, Bacuna, Campbell, O'Brien, Stearman, Elphick, Grant, Toffolo, (Sobhi?) So - somewhere between 7 and 12 signings (perm or loan) required depending how burned some of those bridges really are. Suspect it'll be more likely between 5 and 7 and Phil H will get his dream of showing us some of the awesome Academy products that haven't been good enough to break through into one of the worst performing Town teams in living memory! dear me are you a supporter because if you are god help us.
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Post by impact on Jul 18, 2020 19:54:44 GMT 1
Pritchard helped us stay up in the prem. Sobhi has played like 2 games for us. Sobhi is definitely the bigger waste of money. Sobhi only cost £5m and we've got most of that back in loan fees. We'll be lucky to give Pritchard away for free, £14m down the swanny Closer to 6m, and Pritchard was less than 14m. You can't include loan fees if you're not going to include transfer fees if/when they leave. Doesn't really make someone less of a waste of money on buying them either. We got an extra £100m from staying up which he helped. So compared to the other 3 he was a bargain.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 18, 2020 20:02:14 GMT 1
Nah....the sprint twins aka the two who will rip up the championship remain miles in front of him!!! Together they cost about the same as him and have about the same amount of goals and more assists between them Nothing like pal. One cost alot more than pritchard on his own!
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2020 20:15:58 GMT 1
Clearly a lot of work needs doing, but think its worth baring in mind that even if we had exactly the same bunch of players next season, we wouldnt have the same flirt with relegation. The difficulty of course is Lossl + Smith-Rowe + Chalobah + Willock have been a massive part of our survival this season. (plus Danny Simpson for a short while before his legs rapidly fell off, and Grabara before he fortuitously for us banged his head when he dropped out of form). We've got to replace that lot to even get close to this seasons poor starting point. Smith Rowe will be a challenge to replace with as good. Dont think the others will.
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Post by ACW on Jul 18, 2020 20:18:12 GMT 1
Together they cost about the same as him and have about the same amount of goals and more assists between them Nothing like pal. One cost alot more than pritchard on his own! Diakhaby about 9m,Mbenza about 8m and Pritchard about 11m. But as always with Town, there don't seem to be any definate figures. Whatever the figures, they've all been a waste of the money we paid for them. Nearly 30m combined!
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Post by shawsie on Jul 18, 2020 20:18:56 GMT 1
Nothing like pal. One cost alot more than pritchard on his own! Diakhaby about 9m,Mbenza about 8m and Pritchard about 11m. But as always with Town, there don't seem to be any definate figures. Whatever the figures, they've all been a waste of the money we paid for them. Nearly 30m combined! We can only wish those figures were correct fella!
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2020 20:19:18 GMT 1
Bugger. Was really hoping we could ditch him. There can never have been a footballer bought for so much money, who had so little basic ability at football. His touch, control , vision and movement is that of a sunday league player. This sort of thing makes it so strange how protective you are of Pritchard. He cost about the same but his output is miles behind Mounie. Is it 1 or 2 goals in 60 odd games vs 1 goal every 110 minutes for the past 8 months, plus behind in assists. Different positions but both play in the 2 most attacking roles in our team. One has no end product, the other does. One gets constantly backed by some, the other doesn't. I dont think Im protective of pritchard ( maybe youre confusing me with someone ) I think theres a player in there, just one we haven;t seen yet, but I do think hes been massively disappointing. Just dont see any player in Mounie. Technically he is awful. He is slow, clumsy and either too idle or just lacks the football intelligence to make the runs he needs to.
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Post by ACW on Jul 18, 2020 20:26:22 GMT 1
Diakhaby about 9m,Mbenza about 8m and Pritchard about 11m. But as always with Town, there don't seem to be any definate figures. Whatever the figures, they've all been a waste of the money we paid for them. Nearly 30m combined! We can only wish those figures were correct fella! I was going by reports in the Examiner and Yorkshire Post. Transfermarkt say Diakhaby for £9m, £11.25m for Mbenza and Pritchard £11.12m. Also say Diakhaby now worth £4.32m, Mbenza £4.95m and Pritchard £4.32m. I'd be amazed if we got anything near that for them.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2020 20:27:25 GMT 1
He doesn't win everything in the air. And when it comes to the ball getting booted up to him from the keeper or the back the majority of the time he does win it the ball ends up going to an opposing player. He won more headers per game in the entire Premier League last season. Think he's top 5 in the Championship this season. I'm not sure it's his fault if he wins the header and there is nobody stood within 30 yards of him. Others players should cotton on to the fact he's going to win it and flick it on and they should gamble on that. I'm sure everyone would be delighted if he was winning headers half way in the opposition half and heading back 30 yards in to our half just so someone might get it. He does win those flick ons on the half way line. But that really is the limit of what he can do... certainly for the past 2 seasons. People talk about the service into him being poor, and its a valid argument. But what else is the service to him going to be when he never makes any run to lose his marker and find space? If the cross is right on his head, he might have a chance of scoring. If it requires him to move for it, or dash infront of the defender to reach it first, then you can forget it. He plays like hes marking the centre back! I would be amazed if the Cowleys couldnt replace Mounie with better for a fraction of what he cost and a fraction of his wages.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 18, 2020 20:29:35 GMT 1
This sort of thing makes it so strange how protective you are of Pritchard. He cost about the same but his output is miles behind Mounie. Is it 1 or 2 goals in 60 odd games vs 1 goal every 110 minutes for the past 8 months, plus behind in assists. Different positions but both play in the 2 most attacking roles in our team. One has no end product, the other does. One gets constantly backed by some, the other doesn't. I dont think Im protective of pritchard ( maybe youre confusing me with someone ) I think theres a player in there, just one we haven;t seen yet, but I do think hes been massively disappointing. Just dont see any player in Mounie. Technically he is awful. He is slow, clumsy and either too idle or just lacks the football intelligence to make the runs he needs to. You were backing him the other day as someone we should keep. I've no idea what you've seen in 3 years that's shown there's a footballer in there. Mounie showed more technical ability in 3 seconds against Blackburn than Pritchard has since he arrived. Only just over a third of his goals have been headers as well so the "he scores the odd header and nothing else" doesn't stand up to facts either.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 18, 2020 20:32:04 GMT 1
We can only wish those figures were correct fella! I was going by reports in the Examiner and Yorkshire Post. Transfermarkt say Diakhaby £9m, £11.25m for Mbenza and Pritchard £11.12m. Also say Diakhaby now worth £4.32m, Mbenza £4.95m and Pritchard £4.32m. I'd be amazed if we got anything near that for them. Replace the current values m with p and its probably nearer the mark!!! Has to be a huge clearout this summer......its more a case of who not to let go than who to for me but i cant see anyone prepared to pay decent wedge for hamer, sobhi, kongolo, mbenza, diakhaby, bockhorn, j brown, pritchard, mounie.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 18, 2020 20:33:00 GMT 1
He won more headers per game in the entire Premier League last season. Think he's top 5 in the Championship this season. I'm not sure it's his fault if he wins the header and there is nobody stood within 30 yards of him. Others players should cotton on to the fact he's going to win it and flick it on and they should gamble on that. I'm sure everyone would be delighted if he was winning headers half way in the opposition half and heading back 30 yards in to our half just so someone might get it. He does win those flick ons on the half way line. But that really is the limit of what he can do... certainly for the past 2 seasons. People talk about the service into him being poor, and its a valid argument. But what else is the service to him going to be when he never makes any run to lose his marker and find space? If the cross is right on his head, he might have a chance of scoring. If it requires him to move for it, or dash infront of the defender to reach it first, then you can forget it. He plays like hes marking the centre back! I would be amazed if the Cowleys couldnt replace Mounie with better for a fraction of what he cost and a fraction of his wages. Who are you thinking of that could score just shy of a goal a game over half a season in the Championship for, say, about £3m and £10k a week then?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jul 18, 2020 20:39:25 GMT 1
I’ve not seen one lower league player this season who I’d like to see Town go after, except possibly Ronan Curtis at Pompey. A left winger who makes goals and has a decent goal scoring record as well.
I’ve thought Randell Williams at Exeter could maybe cut it at Championship level as well, but l don’t think he's physically strong enough yet (somebody else mentioned him a few days ago).
Everton signed a 17/18 year old lad, Branthwaite, from Carlisle in January, and he looks an excellent prospect at centre half. He’s already played in their first team - maybe a loan target?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2020 20:40:00 GMT 1
I would keep him yes. Bit of blind faith maybe, but primarily because its not very long ago he was one of the best players in this division. Thats why i think theres a player in there.
Mounies technical ability is sunday league level. Its fucking appalling! Think it was the sheff wed game, he tried to control a pretty ordinary ball on his chest. It must have bounced off him 15 foot away. We were just laughing it was so crap.
His headed goals are the ones that probably require ability. id imagine nearly all the others were close range tap ins when it happened to fall at his feet.
First year he started great at palace and went steadily down hill, but did put in the odd good show along the way. Remember a great goal at West brom. Last season and this season hes just been shit. Theres no sign of him improving. Dont think he looks that bothered to be honest. He doesnt want to score enough.
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Post by Amigo on Jul 18, 2020 20:46:33 GMT 1
I would keep him yes. Bit of blind faith maybe, but primarily because its not very long ago he was one of the best players in this division. Thats why i think theres a player in there. Mounies technical ability is sunday league level. Its fucking appalling! Think it was the sheff wed game, he tried to control a pretty ordinary ball on his chest. It must have bounced off him 15 foot away. We were just laughing it was so crap. His headed goals are the ones that probably require ability. id imagine nearly all the others were close range tap ins when it happened to fall at his feet. First year he started great at palace and went steadily down hill, but did put in the odd good show along the way. Remember a great goal at West brom. Last season and this season hes just been shit. Theres no sign of him improving. Dont think he looks that bothered to be honest. He doesnt want to score enough. The goal against Blackburn a few months ago had nothing to do with ability?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 18, 2020 20:49:35 GMT 1
He does win those flick ons on the half way line. But that really is the limit of what he can do... certainly for the past 2 seasons. People talk about the service into him being poor, and its a valid argument. But what else is the service to him going to be when he never makes any run to lose his marker and find space? If the cross is right on his head, he might have a chance of scoring. If it requires him to move for it, or dash infront of the defender to reach it first, then you can forget it. He plays like hes marking the centre back! I would be amazed if the Cowleys couldnt replace Mounie with better for a fraction of what he cost and a fraction of his wages. Who are you thinking of that could score just shy of a goal a game over half a season in the Championship for, say, about £3m and £10k a week then? So we only include his run where he was scoring a few? We ignore all the games where his contribution was nothing? 22 goals in 3 seasons from 94 appearances. A 1 in 4 1/2 games striker.. Im actually surprised its as good as that. How much was Grant? Less than a fifth what Mounie cost and is a much better player IMO, even though he hasnt looked that interested lately either. I dont know players, but watching Mounie week in week out, like i say id be amazed if the cowleys couldnt replace him with better for far less money.
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Post by linson on Jul 18, 2020 20:51:44 GMT 1
Hamer could be an interesting prospect, he's played 26 games this season so can't be the nervous wreck he was for us in the prem anymore. The amount of abuse he got from our fans may mean he doesn't want to come back though.
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