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Post by Porrohman on Aug 4, 2020 12:15:25 GMT 1
10 home games where we didn't score a goal = diabolical To be fair, of those 10 we didn't score in, Danny wasn't in charge for 2 of them and 1 was his first game in charge. 1 was against the best team in the league when our bench was full of academy players. 1 was against Brentford, the best attacking team in the league who we didn't concede to (home or away) and got a point. Then 3 were with no fans in the ground. It isn't great, but it isn't diabolical either. The football was though
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Post by Convictatthemac on Aug 4, 2020 12:26:01 GMT 1
I’m down in Australia and get up in the middle of the night to watch the games. I can put up with a lot but the Cowleys had cracked my enjoyment and I stopped getting up to watch it live and would rather watch a replay the next morning if we got a result and not at all if we lost. It was diabolical to me. I stopped watching it live cos of the shite those 2 were producing and I only live 5 miles from the ground mate 😉 Phil made the right decision to get rid. Now we will find out if he made the right decision to get Carlos.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 4, 2020 14:29:20 GMT 1
One for Sandgrounder - A town fan of 33 years with a pseudonym that means ‘Southport fan’, only posts to slag off PH, only joined after PH took over and knows fairly intricate details about PH’s tenure as owner of Southport. Yeah makes sense.
In terms of his good decisions:
- Got rid of Siewert quickly - Brought in a highly rated young manager that kept us up - Brought in Simpson on big wages, which ended badly but he did have a big impact initially in helping us keep clean sheets - Managed to ship plenty of dead weight out on loan. £4m off the wage bill even temporarily - no way was Cowley doing that - Backed him with plenty of signings in January including an apparent £1m loan fee + wages to get Smith Rowe in
He’s done alright in the year he’s had in charge considering he inherited an absolute shambles. The decision to appoint Cowley was the right one, the jury is out as to whether it’s right to sack him as well but I think he’s earned the right for a bit of slack. Let’s remember he was Hoyle’s appointment, by all accounts he didn’t ask for it so he was pretty much thrown into it and won’t have many contacts at this level.
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Post by htfcfcfc on Aug 4, 2020 16:34:16 GMT 1
10 home games where we didn't score a goal = diabolical To be fair, of those 10 we didn't score in, Danny wasn't in charge for 2 of them and 1 was his first game in charge. 1 was against the best team in the league when our bench was full of academy players. 1 was against Brentford, the best attacking team in the league who we didn't concede to (home or away) and got a point. Then 3 were with no fans in the ground. It isn't great, but it isn't diabolical either. Wigan seemed to cope pretty well with no fans in the ground when they played relegation rivals. You’re clutching at straws here 10 (TEN) HOME games without a goal is absolutely diabolical.
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Aug 4, 2020 16:50:48 GMT 1
Expected nothing less than this article from the Cowleys, shithouses of the highest order.
I may eat my words but personally, while they may have the drive, I don't think they have the tactical knowledge and decision making to be a success in the Championship and beyond.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2020 16:57:42 GMT 1
To be fair, of those 10 we didn't score in, Danny wasn't in charge for 2 of them and 1 was his first game in charge. 1 was against the best team in the league when our bench was full of academy players. 1 was against Brentford, the best attacking team in the league who we didn't concede to (home or away) and got a point. Then 3 were with no fans in the ground. It isn't great, but it isn't diabolical either. Wigan seemed to cope pretty well with no fans in the ground when they played relegation rivals. You’re clutching at straws here 10 (TEN) HOME games without a goal is absolutely diabolical. Not clutching at anything. Just giving some context behind a random stat. And it is 8 (EIGHT) if we are talking about Danny Cowley's time in charge, unless we are course blaming Danny Cowley for Town not scoring against Danny Cowley's Lincoln.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Aug 4, 2020 20:27:04 GMT 1
With DW we had a strategy. Play a style of football through all levels of the club, form an identity. We lost that when DW left. Since then we have struggled and very nearly dropped into League 1. Corberán may have been on our radar as a DW style replacement but was not going to leave Leeds at the time we wanted him. The Cowleys were a punt in desperate times and if they had looked to fit how the club wanted to build maybe they would still be here, but it would seem they were not for turning, and I am not really interested in hearing their 'side of the story', because it is water under the bridge.
We have felt a bit like a patchwork quilt since DW left and if we are going to have a long term strategy we need someone who can build that. It will involve developing younger players and bringing younger players in, but that was part of DW's 'identity', but once we got promoted we had to try and pull a team together to stay in the top flight. Whether it was poor recruitment, or we just couldn't get who we wanted, it went seriously pear shaped after our first incredible escape. With DH's illness and the obvious lack of quality in the squad DW slumped and left. JS was a poor appointment and although the Cowleys did what was required regarding staying up we had moved a long way from the heady days after DW joined.
There has been a big clear out and on the coaching side you can see, if Carlos is to have complete control, he needs a team that can get straight into the groove. Regarding other changes I have no idea how they will pan out, or how PH will be as Chairman, but this does feel like a reboot rather than something completely new.
It is a shame we cannot lend our voices to the cause once the season starts but maybe without the pressure of a crowd we will get to see just how the future may look. I hope so. For all the achievements it has been pretty dour for a lot of the time. Only really sparked by playing teams we only thought we would occasionally see in a cup game. I want to see us start building with talented younger players, whether ours or loans, to put some fire into our performances. Only time will tell if that will happen but I don't see a better long term alternative.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 4, 2020 20:41:43 GMT 1
I think the squad cowley inherited.was miles better on paper. Though the attitude far worse. Both teams were pretty poor championship teams. I just think a lot in football is perception. Powell left us towards the bottom of the championship and is mocked and derided.. And don't forget he won league one with Charlton a couple of seasons earlier. Cowleys left us when we towards the bottom of the championship having won league Two with Lincoln. And some on here think they are the second coming. Im far from the cowleys biggest fans........but they came in, did what was asked and were let go to be replaced by an inexperienced new no.1 who wont control the one thing weve been abysmal at for 2 yrs - recruitment. Thats fine providing there is a plan behind it and the new man gets time and backing. If not, then some will rightly question is going on. Theres seems to be alot of knee jerk decision making going on and has been for some time. Siewert hastily appointed, clearly out of his depth in the prem as the club itself was and then booted after barely 6 games the following year. We chase the Cowleys for weeks, eventually get them and then they too are gone in unceremonious circumstances and hastily replaced. The DOF role seems to have a revolving door - how many now in the last 3 or 4 yrs?! PH has made a bold call - only time will tell if its the right one. You keep saying hastily, but that's probably just you not knowing. Siewert was the opposite, which probably makes it worse. He was identified and monitored for ages before he was eventually appointed. Similarly, it sounds like the convos with Corberan had been ongoing for some time. Agree on the DoF - that situation has been ridiculous.
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Post by hypotenuse on Aug 4, 2020 21:16:55 GMT 1
Can't believe people are still praising the Cowleys for keeping us up. They only had 4 points to gain to get us out of the bottom 3. A good management team would have got us easily safe mid table. The Cowleys got us out of it, 6 points clear at one stage, and then dragged us back into it. When they arrived we were averaging 1point every 6 league games. I we averaged just shy of 1.3 points per game in the 39 league games they were here. That’s 7.7 times as good.
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Post by hypotenuse on Aug 4, 2020 21:21:42 GMT 1
I appreciate there’s two sides to stories like this, but the piece about PH being an agent, coaching badges, spoke to players....if true is a bit off in my book. He needs to stick to being Chairman and not poking his nose in undermining Manager’s he pursued to keep us up. If the Cowley’s has failed would PH, in private, have taken some responsibility for sticking his nose in? I hate my boss snooping round when I’m working with my team, it just shows a lack of trust. Not a good sign for PH. Wonder what his side is? Precisely- it is that sort of overbearing micromanaging which I loathe. It is demeaning and the Cowley’s will be better off elsewhere. Good luck to them.
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Post by hypotenuse on Aug 4, 2020 21:24:48 GMT 1
Absolutely full of himself, lots of I did this and we did that. Despite talking of humility he demonstrates as much as Gary Monk - both demonstrating quite similar levels of snide, holier than thou cuntiness. As others have said plenty of sly digs at the club and how they’ve done such a wonderful job. I wonder if the suitors aren’t clambering over themselves for him like he expected so he’s touting himself around. Saying about how unfair it was that rumours about him being replaced came after the Wigan game. No mention of the utterly shambolic performance, every bit as shite as anything Siewert served up. We had months to prepare but it looked like they’d been out on the piss the night before. And while it might be correct to talk about what a state we were in when we arrived, have a bit of respect you cheeky fucker. Doesn’t even superficially mention anything he might have got wrong or why he might’ve got the bullet - just the white knight that came to our rescue and got stabbed in the back by an interfering, no nothing chairman. Also the way he’s star fucking and dropping those names he sounds like an absolute tourist. “Cor blimey Bielsa has five different types of forward run!” suggests he’s miles away from the tactical cutting edge and probably demonstrates one of the reasons he’s been tinned off. Ironically enough for someone that was in the coaching team implementing those forward runs for Bielsa last year. He kept us up. That’s the only thing that fucking well matters. The rest is stamp collecting (to misquote Rutherford).
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Post by hypotenuse on Aug 4, 2020 21:30:34 GMT 1
To provide some context. PH coached his sons team for about 2 seasons because like lots of clubs other parents weren’t prepared to give the time. He ran an agency briefly that was basically passed players from the then previous and now current Southport manager and none are playing above conference level or have done. lastly he was Southport chairman briefly and yes lots of mutterings about interference and strong opinions ( lots of staff turnover on and off the field) and he appointed a very inexperienced at the level manager in ex Bolton forward Kevin Davies and it was a disaster. He also sold a vision and delivered very little of it and then his dream move came up to Town and not many if any miss him at Southport but the club has survived but over spent massively under PH brief tenure. Which interestingly included a link up with Town for younger players to go on loan but not one did. Premier league at the time to Conf North a bit of a gulf. the bit I find distasteful in all this and since PH commencement is the constant leaking of information and BS from the club. vision, change of philosophy or cloth cutting. The fact is the Crowley’s were what they were prior to being appointed and had/have a big time reputation in the game and not universally popular but not sure they received what they were promised during the recruitment process from PH. Due diligence again. It would be like selling a football club to a former shirt sponsor whom was late in making payments on tranches of their sponsorship deal and the club actively having to look for a potential replacement in early part of that season, now you wouldn’t do that would you? It’s turned into a soap opera and won’t end well. You’re the Southport fan that keeps on popping up to have a go at PH aren’t you? You have an axe to grind which hardly makes you impartial although I don’t doubt that most of what you say is true. There’s definite worries about PH and it could well be a disastrous reign. Plenty of warning signs, he does seem a bit volatile and there are lots of concerns that he doesn’t have deep enough pockets for this level. But the ‘constant leaking of information and BS from the club’ you’ll have to expand on if you want me to take you seriously. There weren’t any leaks against the Cowleys when they were in charge. Murmurings after lockdown on here but that was people that work at the club hinting at things rather than a campaign by the club. It might have always been the plan to have the Cowleys in fire fighting for a short time and then replace them with someone that plays forward thinking, high pressing football. Did that occur to you? You realise this was our model before the Cowleys and it got us promoted to the premier league 3 years ago don’t you? Given that it gave us our most successful period in over 40 years it would be crazy if we scrapped that model just because Wagner ran out of steam and we had a car crash appointment in Siewert. The Cowleys have proved nothing at this level and it’s a huge jump from lower leagues to the championship. The egos, the tactics, the calibre of players and managers. With respect, a lot of what PH tried to do at Southport probably failed because you’re a non league team. We aren’t and he’s got a team to help him do it - the chief exec has been brought in from Brentford because they have the model there, embedded more deeply than we had. So whilst your criticisms of PH are valid and he may well fail here, this situation is completely different. And he’s actually made a lot of good decisions so far irrespective of what happens after sacking Cowley and appointing Corberán. The jury is very much out on the Cowleys at this level, they arrested the slide but we looked utterly clueless in some matches and didn’t score a goal from open play in 6 games near the end of the season. This is with a potential England player on loan from arsenal at number 10. Not good enough by a long chalk. I’d have stuck with the Cowleys and was surprised they were binned. It was ruthless but I don’t mind that, it’s a ruthless game. Do you think we want a manager in awe of the tactics of our biggest rivals or one that can implement them? The guy from Southport is speaking the absolute truth. I know two people (one from Southport and the other from the Midlands) who know PH pretty well and they would both say the same stuff almost word for word.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 4, 2020 21:35:15 GMT 1
You’re the Southport fan that keeps on popping up to have a go at PH aren’t you? You have an axe to grind which hardly makes you impartial although I don’t doubt that most of what you say is true. There’s definite worries about PH and it could well be a disastrous reign. Plenty of warning signs, he does seem a bit volatile and there are lots of concerns that he doesn’t have deep enough pockets for this level. But the ‘constant leaking of information and BS from the club’ you’ll have to expand on if you want me to take you seriously. There weren’t any leaks against the Cowleys when they were in charge. Murmurings after lockdown on here but that was people that work at the club hinting at things rather than a campaign by the club. It might have always been the plan to have the Cowleys in fire fighting for a short time and then replace them with someone that plays forward thinking, high pressing football. Did that occur to you? You realise this was our model before the Cowleys and it got us promoted to the premier league 3 years ago don’t you? Given that it gave us our most successful period in over 40 years it would be crazy if we scrapped that model just because Wagner ran out of steam and we had a car crash appointment in Siewert. The Cowleys have proved nothing at this level and it’s a huge jump from lower leagues to the championship. The egos, the tactics, the calibre of players and managers. With respect, a lot of what PH tried to do at Southport probably failed because you’re a non league team. We aren’t and he’s got a team to help him do it - the chief exec has been brought in from Brentford because they have the model there, embedded more deeply than we had. So whilst your criticisms of PH are valid and he may well fail here, this situation is completely different. And he’s actually made a lot of good decisions so far irrespective of what happens after sacking Cowley and appointing Corberán. The jury is very much out on the Cowleys at this level, they arrested the slide but we looked utterly clueless in some matches and didn’t score a goal from open play in 6 games near the end of the season. This is with a potential England player on loan from arsenal at number 10. Not good enough by a long chalk. I’d have stuck with the Cowleys and was surprised they were binned. It was ruthless but I don’t mind that, it’s a ruthless game. Do you think we want a manager in awe of the tactics of our biggest rivals or one that can implement them? The guy from Southport is speaking the absolute truth. I know two people (one from Southport and the other from the Midlands) who know PH pretty well and they would both say the same stuff almost word for word. But that doesn't mean he was wrong to get shut of the used car dealers
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Post by kirkheatonterrier on Aug 4, 2020 21:53:51 GMT 1
The Cowley's were brought in to keep us up and succeded. They would have done the same next season too in my opinion given any sort of backing in the transfer window. Not at all convinced the ex Leeds u23 manager will, are u? More likely to be Jan Stewart mark 2 than another Wagner
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 4, 2020 22:14:10 GMT 1
The Cowley's were brought in to keep us up and succeded. They would have done the same next season too in my opinion given any sort of backing in the transfer window. Not at all convinced the ex Leeds u23 manager will, are u? More likely to be Jan Stewart mark 2 than another Wagner Don't think they'd have improved us much, they couldn't man manage the team, other coaches were a lot more tactically clever and acting like a c*** on the touchline doesn't cut it at this level
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 4, 2020 22:25:09 GMT 1
Absolutely full of himself, lots of I did this and we did that. Despite talking of humility he demonstrates as much as Gary Monk - both demonstrating quite similar levels of snide, holier than thou cuntiness. As others have said plenty of sly digs at the club and how they’ve done such a wonderful job. I wonder if the suitors aren’t clambering over themselves for him like he expected so he’s touting himself around. Saying about how unfair it was that rumours about him being replaced came after the Wigan game. No mention of the utterly shambolic performance, every bit as shite as anything Siewert served up. We had months to prepare but it looked like they’d been out on the piss the night before. And while it might be correct to talk about what a state we were in when we arrived, have a bit of respect you cheeky fucker. Doesn’t even superficially mention anything he might have got wrong or why he might’ve got the bullet - just the white knight that came to our rescue and got stabbed in the back by an interfering, no nothing chairman. Also the way he’s star fucking and dropping those names he sounds like an absolute tourist. “Cor blimey Bielsa has five different types of forward run!” suggests he’s miles away from the tactical cutting edge and probably demonstrates one of the reasons he’s been tinned off. Ironically enough for someone that was in the coaching team implementing those forward runs for Bielsa last year. He kept us up. That’s the only thing that fucking well matters. The rest is stamp collecting (to misquote Rutherford). If staying up was the only thing that fucking well matters he wouldn’t need to say a word would he?
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Post by shawsie on Aug 4, 2020 22:38:48 GMT 1
Im far from the cowleys biggest fans........but they came in, did what was asked and were let go to be replaced by an inexperienced new no.1 who wont control the one thing weve been abysmal at for 2 yrs - recruitment. Thats fine providing there is a plan behind it and the new man gets time and backing. If not, then some will rightly question is going on. Theres seems to be alot of knee jerk decision making going on and has been for some time. Siewert hastily appointed, clearly out of his depth in the prem as the club itself was and then booted after barely 6 games the following year. We chase the Cowleys for weeks, eventually get them and then they too are gone in unceremonious circumstances and hastily replaced. The DOF role seems to have a revolving door - how many now in the last 3 or 4 yrs?! PH has made a bold call - only time will tell if its the right one. You keep saying hastily, but that's probably just you not knowing. Siewert was the opposite, which probably makes it worse. He was identified and monitored for ages before he was eventually appointed. Similarly, it sounds like the convos with Corberan had been ongoing for some time. Agree on the DoF - that situation has been ridiculous. Im not denying conversations may have gone on behind the scenes possibly for months......but we seem to have hastily decided the men weve appointed arent up to it particularly after both were given backing weeks earlier.
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Post by ACW on Aug 4, 2020 22:53:57 GMT 1
Absolutely full of himself, lots of I did this and we did that. Despite talking of humility he demonstrates as much as Gary Monk - both demonstrating quite similar levels of snide, holier than thou cuntiness. As others have said plenty of sly digs at the club and how they’ve done such a wonderful job. I wonder if the suitors aren’t clambering over themselves for him like he expected so he’s touting himself around. Saying about how unfair it was that rumours about him being replaced came after the Wigan game. No mention of the utterly shambolic performance, every bit as shite as anything Siewert served up. We had months to prepare but it looked like they’d been out on the piss the night before. And while it might be correct to talk about what a state we were in when we arrived, have a bit of respect you cheeky fucker. Doesn’t even superficially mention anything he might have got wrong or why he might’ve got the bullet - just the white knight that came to our rescue and got stabbed in the back by an interfering, no nothing chairman. Also the way he’s star fucking and dropping those names he sounds like an absolute tourist. “Cor blimey Bielsa has five different types of forward run!” suggests he’s miles away from the tactical cutting edge and probably demonstrates one of the reasons he’s been tinned off. Ironically enough for someone that was in the coaching team implementing those forward runs for Bielsa last year. He kept us up. That’s the only thing that fucking well matters. The rest is stamp collecting (to misquote Rutherford). Staying up was the only thing that mattered this season. But what about next? Having survived this season PH would have a vision of how he wanted us to progress. Rightly or wrongly PH has decided the Cowleys couldn't deliver this. That is why the decision was taken to get rid of them. I'm on the fence regarding the Cowleys - I can see and appreciate both sides - but the decision to get rid of them was obviously not just based on whether they achieved the targets for this season - it was made because they weren't seen as the people to take Town forward in the way PH wants. Time will judge whether he made the correct decision.
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Post by space hardware on Aug 4, 2020 23:48:21 GMT 1
Im far from the cowleys biggest fans........but they came in, did what was asked and were let go to be replaced by an inexperienced new no.1 who wont control the one thing weve been abysmal at for 2 yrs - recruitment. Thats fine providing there is a plan behind it and the new man gets time and backing. If not, then some will rightly question is going on. Theres seems to be alot of knee jerk decision making going on and has been for some time. Siewert hastily appointed, clearly out of his depth in the prem as the club itself was and then booted after barely 6 games the following year. We chase the Cowleys for weeks, eventually get them and then they too are gone in unceremonious circumstances and hastily replaced. The DOF role seems to have a revolving door - how many now in the last 3 or 4 yrs?! PH has made a bold call - only time will tell if its the right one. You keep saying hastily, but that's probably just you not knowing. Siewert was the opposite, which probably makes it worse. He was identified and monitored for ages before he was eventually appointed. Similarly, it sounds like the convos with Corberan had been ongoing for some time. Agree on the DoF - that situation has been ridiculous. If it's true we'd been tracking Siewert for years before he was appointed then I hope to Christ the people responsible for that process are no longer involved with the club 😁
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Post by boooothy on Aug 4, 2020 23:50:25 GMT 1
Phil is a blagger, making it up as he goes along.
I know he’s doing his best and who knows he might get lucky.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2020 9:21:07 GMT 1
For goodness sake as they say "The King is dead live the King". Time to get on and move on.
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Post by sandgrounder on Aug 5, 2020 16:50:02 GMT 1
One for Sandgrounder - A town fan of 33 years with a pseudonym that means ‘Southport fan’, only posts to slag off PH, only joined after PH took over and knows fairly intricate details about PH’s tenure as owner of Southport. Yeah makes sense. In terms of his good decisions: - Got rid of Siewert quickly - Brought in a highly rated young manager that kept us up - Brought in Simpson on big wages, which ended badly but he did have a big impact initially in helping us keep clean sheets - Managed to ship plenty of dead weight out on loan. £4m off the wage bill even temporarily - no way was Cowley doing that - Backed him with plenty of signings in January including an apparent £1m loan fee + wages to get Smith Rowe in He’s done alright in the year he’s had in charge considering he inherited an absolute shambles. The decision to appoint Cowley was the right one, the jury is out as to whether it’s right to sack him as well but I think he’s earned the right for a bit of slack. Let’s remember he was Hoyle’s appointment, by all accounts he didn’t ask for it so he was pretty much thrown into it and won’t have many contacts at this level. Thanks Baby, Yorkshire born and bred and glad the pseudonym wasn't lost on you but know as much about PH Town tenure and prior as his brief Southport flirtation and sure you have thought that was always his pathway to where he finds himself today and he could have said thanks but no thanks to Dean?? As for your positives it just demonstrates how subjective football is: -Siewert should have gone in the Summer as it was clear he never had, let alone, lost the dressing room. -Highly rated young manager we agree on something and the irony not lost i'm sure? But appear to be still fairly highly rated outside of Town.- -Simpson - we'd have been better placed investing that level of cash in the future rather than a temporary expensive stop gap that in the main didn't contribute much. -He didn't ship out any deadwood and there are still plenty to go at and i don't think a saving of 18% of the budget is anything to shout about! -Smith Rowe- £1m to secure your Championship status and subsequent revenue. Looks like decent value and more so compared to some of the other expenses incurred. Seems i'm not alone in expressing my concerns and i'd question the appointment of Bromby as DOF and Devlin as CEO but then again neither were first choices and sometimes you have to make do in life and for me that is where Town find themselves for now with the current Chairman. You'll say that's all negative and it is because we have had the biggest opportunity in my lifetime to put the Club on a firm footing with the Premier League adventure and made a real pigs ear of it. Brave or gamble it needs to work and Carlos has my full support but i'm far from convinced but that's more because i think we could have Pep or Klopp in charge and with our current squad and ownership i think they would still struggle. Be thrilled to be proved wrong.
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Post by Melc on Aug 5, 2020 17:31:30 GMT 1
The Cowley's were brought in to keep us up and succeded. They would have done the same next season too in my opinion given any sort of backing in the transfer window. Not at all convinced the ex Leeds u23 manager will, are u? More likely to be Jan Stewart mark 2 than another Wagner Well you have come on here full of beans haven’t you, 6 posts and all negative as hell!
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Post by ldotm on Aug 5, 2020 17:52:08 GMT 1
The Cowley's were brought in to keep us up and succeded. They would have done the same next season too in my opinion given any sort of backing in the transfer window. Not at all convinced the ex Leeds u23 manager will, are u? More likely to be Jan Stewart mark 2 than another Wagner Well you have come on here full of beans haven’t you, 6 posts and all negative as hell! Probs a WUM
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Post by softboy on Aug 5, 2020 18:01:01 GMT 1
Can we set a deadline when this thread is closed down. 2030 perhaps.
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Post by crux on Aug 5, 2020 20:13:18 GMT 1
Can we set a deadline when this thread is closed down. 2030 perhaps. I hope you mean half eight, I couldn't stand another bloody ten years of it 😂
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 14:34:46 GMT 1
The Cowley's were brought in to keep us up and succeded. They would have done the same next season too in my opinion given any sort of backing in the transfer window. Not at all convinced the ex Leeds u23 manager will, are u? More likely to be Jan Stewart mark 2 than another Wagner Don't think they'd have improved us much, they couldn't man manage the team, other coaches were a lot more tactically clever and acting like a c*** on the touchline doesn't cut it at this level We weren’t going anywhere under Cowleys. If anything we regressed after some ok form to end up scrapping for our lives. No way we should’ve been fighting for survival with the players at our disposal. I didn’t see Luton or Barnsley have anyone of Grant or ESR’s capability. Personally, I think they struggled with the step up tactically and in terms of managing dick head players on stupid money, but that’s part and parcel of football management these days. They never had a settled side or seem to know what their best XI was. They didn’t seem to know what our approach to scoring goals was and neither did the players. I didn’t see any value in carrying on another season where the club is pushed to get more loan players in. We need someone to get behind the players that are here not this endless boring narrative of the players not good enough. The Barnsley manager never once said that.
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Post by bluestripe on Aug 9, 2020 14:58:12 GMT 1
Don't think they'd have improved us much, they couldn't man manage the team, other coaches were a lot more tactically clever and acting like a c*** on the touchline doesn't cut it at this level We weren’t going anywhere under Cowleys. If anything we regressed after some ok form to end up scrapping for our lives. No way we should’ve been fighting for survival with the players at our disposal. I didn’t see Luton or Barnsley have anyone of Grant or ESR’s capability. Personally, I think they struggled with the step up tactically and in terms of managing dick head players on stupid money, but that’s part and parcel of football management these days. They never had a settled side or seem to know what their best XI was. They didn’t seem to know what our approach to scoring goals was and neither did the players. I didn’t see any value in carrying on another season where the club is pushed to get more loan players in. We need someone to get behind the players that are here not this endless boring narrative of the players not good enough. The Barnsley manager never once said that. Why do we assume that the Cowleys' second season would be the same as the first? They are on record saying it has been the most challenging time of their careers. Might they have not adapted having learnt from their first season? It's a similar situation with Danny Ward. Many on here have dissed the potential signing because they remember the Danny Ward of 2015. Might he not be a better player now? It's a good job the 21 year old Aaron Mooy played at St Mirren, not here. 😁
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 15:16:16 GMT 1
We weren’t going anywhere under Cowleys. If anything we regressed after some ok form to end up scrapping for our lives. No way we should’ve been fighting for survival with the players at our disposal. I didn’t see Luton or Barnsley have anyone of Grant or ESR’s capability. Personally, I think they struggled with the step up tactically and in terms of managing dick head players on stupid money, but that’s part and parcel of football management these days. They never had a settled side or seem to know what their best XI was. They didn’t seem to know what our approach to scoring goals was and neither did the players. I didn’t see any value in carrying on another season where the club is pushed to get more loan players in. We need someone to get behind the players that are here not this endless boring narrative of the players not good enough. The Barnsley manager never once said that. Why do we assume that the Cowleys' second season would be the same as the first? They are on record saying it has been the most challenging time of their careers. Might they have not adapted having learnt from their first season? It's a similar situation with Danny Ward. Many on here have dissed the potential signing because they remember the Danny Ward of 2015. Might he not be a better player now? It's a good job the 21 year old Aaron Mooy played at St Mirren, not here. 😁 Fair point but I’d have like to have seen the green shoots of recovery this season. Not loanees and survival on the penultimate weekend. If we’d finished the season with 6 wins and and a draw from 10 games and ended up 13th then I could see Phil saying yeah let’s go again. I just don’t think the evidence was there so suggest a big upturn was on the cards.
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