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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 16:26:46 GMT 1
Means to an end of survival New managing director from Brentford. Covid19 As others have said, abandoning our EPL primadonnas to depreciate on loans / bit part Plenty has changed when you think about it. NB. I was happy for Cowley to crack on next season How much he banged on about the Cowleys though it is a worrying change and shows a man who doesn't stick by an decision and the new guy is setting off the same alarm bells when we appointed Siewert. The problem now is it is all unknown and certainly means I won't be risking another season ticket. I regretted one this season when we didn't bin off Siewert at the end of the season. I am worried about his view we have a top 6 squad and somehow thinks somebody is going to get anything out of Diakhaby and Mbenza. I haven't seen anybody want those two to stay and there is a few others people have given up on as well Let the dust settle mate. This is not a wild unknown appointment. Renew and I think your loyalty will be rewarded next season.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 20, 2020 16:28:59 GMT 1
If that's the case then he might as well appoint himself manager. It most certainly isn't the case. You clearly know something so why don't you just spill the beans instead of dropping cryptic posts or say nothing because there is nothing more annoying than someone who clearly knows something but goes down the line of 'I know but I can't say' but continues to be cryptic over the matter.
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Post by aca00js on Jul 20, 2020 16:34:10 GMT 1
He has lost him with all the guff he has come out with and I don't trust him. What he is doing he believes is in the best interest for the club but I can't back him.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 20, 2020 16:49:58 GMT 1
It most certainly isn't the case. You clearly know something so why don't you just spill the beans instead of dropping cryptic posts or say nothing because there is nothing more annoying than someone who clearly knows something but goes down the line of 'I know but I can't say' but continues to be cryptic over the matter. Because I enjoy the wind up
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Post by bierleyterrier on Jul 20, 2020 17:17:07 GMT 1
Not sure why everyone is so surprised. Football is a fickle business at the best of times so these things happen from time to time. It came as a big surprise to me as given where we were when they took over, the best they could do was keep us in the division. We don't know what has gone on behind the scenes, it's all rumour, one thing is for certain - the football has been pretty dire recently so maybe a clean sweep is the answer(?).
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Post by hypotenuse on Jul 20, 2020 17:24:44 GMT 1
I wonder if the biggest reason for the change is the millions of pounds worth of players we are neither getting anything out of, or have prospect of selling. Maybe kongolo, diakhaby etc are going to be reintegrated into the squad and the only way to do that was a mass cull of staff. I've wondered the same thing to be honest. There are going to be high earners we can't shift so can we get someone in who can get the best out of them. For example Diakhaby, he's had more good games here than people will let on because he gets lumped with Mbenza but he still hasn't been good enough and he's had a similar time at Forest. Lamouchi has spoken highly of him though and says it's down to his confidence and that currently he has none why he's not performing. We've seen Kongolo perform extremely well for us but he might be the only one we might get a decent offer for. Getting the best out of some of these players as well as replacing deadwood might be the way forward. You can keep trying to convince yourself that there is a footballer in Diakhaby but you won’t convince me. Maybe an Olympic sprinter but not a footballer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 17:30:29 GMT 1
How much he banged on about the Cowleys though it is a worrying change and shows a man who doesn't stick by an decision and the new guy is setting off the same alarm bells when we appointed Siewert. The problem now is it is all unknown and certainly means I won't be risking another season ticket. I regretted one this season when we didn't bin off Siewert at the end of the season. I am worried about his view we have a top 6 squad and somehow thinks somebody is going to get anything out of Diakhaby and Mbenza. I haven't seen anybody want those two to stay and there is a few others people have given up on as well Let the dust settle mate. This is not a wild unknown appointment. Renew and I think your loyalty will be rewarded next season. Spoken like a true chairman - you should run the club....
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Post by v8bart on Jul 20, 2020 17:36:22 GMT 1
I don't normally jump on the bandwagon of this kind of thread, but seriously he is driving the club into the ground! Cowleys were the best we could have hoped for and to do it in the way he has is disgusting. I have zero respect for him whatsoever, doesn't matter what has gone on behind closed doors. Very sad day for the club. What a bizarre comment. So if it transpired that the Cowleys behaviour 'behind closed doors' has been wholly unacceptable, and that they have at times acted in a totally unprofessional manner, you'd still have zero respect for PH's decision? No I have no respect for him not his decision, there is a difference. The way it was announced, the complete lack of communication to the fans, the fact that he is cleaning house. Obviously he can't disclose certain facts, that doesn't mean that he can't say anything. There are plenty of ways to make a decision like this, and most of them would be a better option. Are you stating as fact the Cowleys behaviour was unacceptable and unprofessional? If so that would amount to a breach of contract surely and have resulted in us not having to pay them off?
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Post by aloadofdbullocks on Jul 20, 2020 17:38:49 GMT 1
The anti PH mob accuse him of being potless but he has taken the more expensive option here? Undoubtedly a risk as I think we would have been safe again next year with the Cowleys but my gut feeling is that I don’t think we would have challenged for promotion. This is a gamble and we may now have a chance or get relegated but at least it’s interesting.. No point in being an Everton club.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 20, 2020 17:44:53 GMT 1
Let the dust settle mate. This is not a wild unknown appointment. Renew and I think your loyalty will be rewarded next season. Spoken like a true chairman - you should run the club.... he will when he gets back in the boardroom.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 17:47:53 GMT 1
Spoken like a true chairman - you should run the club.... he will when he gets back in the boardroom. Hope to god he's not so transparent there ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Love you Big Phil - keep smiling - Prem in 2.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Jul 20, 2020 17:49:36 GMT 1
You clearly know something so why don't you just spill the beans instead of dropping cryptic posts or say nothing because there is nothing more annoying than someone who clearly knows something but goes down the line of 'I know but I can't say' but continues to be cryptic over the matter. Because I enjoy the wind up
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Post by Amigo on Jul 20, 2020 17:55:11 GMT 1
I've wondered the same thing to be honest. There are going to be high earners we can't shift so can we get someone in who can get the best out of them. For example Diakhaby, he's had more good games here than people will let on because he gets lumped with Mbenza but he still hasn't been good enough and he's had a similar time at Forest. Lamouchi has spoken highly of him though and says it's down to his confidence and that currently he has none why he's not performing. We've seen Kongolo perform extremely well for us but he might be the only one we might get a decent offer for. Getting the best out of some of these players as well as replacing deadwood might be the way forward. You can keep trying to convince yourself that there is a footballer in Diakhaby but you won’t convince me. Maybe an Olympic sprinter but not a footballer. Where did I say I thought he was a good footballer? I actually said he hasn't been good enough for us or Forest.
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Post by swam4mwg on Jul 20, 2020 18:08:38 GMT 1
Can't believe most fans lives up to the DC hype, all he did was waffle on. Did you enjoy Cowleys tactics? We were utter crap at home. Sheffield W Reading Luton Wigan Leeds Cardiff All beat us to nil. Stoke hammered us 5-2 too Bore 0-0s v boro, Brentford and Preston So can people please tell me why they didn't deserve the sack? People will say they kept us up from a position we were in when they took us over. But we were 6 points clear of the bottom 3 at Xmas. So please tell me that dragging ourselves back into it, is doing a good job? Depends if you prefer quality/entertaining football or you prefer results. For me getting 51 points after having only one point after ten games is quite an achievement. Town were as good as down and yet we stayed up. The actual quality of football was dire long before the Cowleys came along. Teams at the bottom rarely play entertaining stuff. It is all about what you want from your team, people differ on it.
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 20, 2020 18:29:42 GMT 1
I wasn’t sure about PH , the way the club was taken over proper annoyed me as it felt like the guy was picking up the club on the cheap so DH could get his money back, which meant long term he could make money himself on selling the club and giving himself a hefty wage every year. This as proper pissed me off with the Cowleys going. You are hanging on a thin thread PH and how you handle this summer will be your defining moment. People haven’t renewed due to covid 19 and others can ask for a refund , I hope you’ve got a bloody good plan for HTFC and your sake. I hadn't renewed due to Covid but I was seriously thinking about not doing, after 35 years of having a season ticket, due the the shite the Cowleys had us playing. Been watching town a similar length of time and find it amazing that you haven’t had a season ticket in some of those 35 years because last year is nowhere near as bad as some of those. Its more likely it’s a mix between covid 19 and us probably achieving the impossible so your desire to go has been effected, but you know best, it was the worst footy for 35 years.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 20, 2020 18:38:32 GMT 1
What a bizarre comment. So if it transpired that the Cowleys behaviour 'behind closed doors' has been wholly unacceptable, and that they have at times acted in a totally unprofessional manner, you'd still have zero respect for PH's decision? No I have no respect for him not his decision, there is a difference. The way it was announced, the complete lack of communication to the fans, the fact that he is cleaning house. Obviously he can't disclose certain facts, that doesn't mean that he can't say anything. There are plenty of ways to make a decision like this, and most of them would be a better option. Are you stating as fact the Cowleys behaviour was unacceptable and unprofessional? If so that would amount to a breach of contract surely and have resulted in us not having to pay them off? He’s running a business what’s it got to do with communicating to the fans? Do you think he owes you or anyone else anything? You spend £250 to be entertained (rarely happens tbf) and this gives you what right exactly? He’ll do what he wants with his money, he’ll be judged by us all on how well he does. I for one couldn’t give two shites that he’s sacked the Cowleys, nor could I really have cared if they’d been here next season, though on balance - I’m glad they’ve gone
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 18:39:58 GMT 1
No I have no respect for him not his decision, there is a difference. The way it was announced, the complete lack of communication to the fans, the fact that he is cleaning house. Obviously he can't disclose certain facts, that doesn't mean that he can't say anything. There are plenty of ways to make a decision like this, and most of them would be a better option. Are you stating as fact the Cowleys behaviour was unacceptable and unprofessional? If so that would amount to a breach of contract surely and have resulted in us not having to pay them off? He’s running a business what’s it got to do with communicating to the fans? Do you think he owes you or anyone else anything? You spend £250 to be entertained (rarely happens tbf) and this gives you what right exactly? He’ll do what he wants with his money, he’ll be judged by us all on how well he does. I for one couldn’t give two shites that he’s sacked the Cowleys, nor could I really have cared if they’d been here next season, though on balance - I’m glad they’ve gone He IS communicating to the fans - look up.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 20, 2020 18:43:35 GMT 1
Means to an end of survival New managing director from Brentford. Covid19 As others have said, abandoning our EPL primadonnas to depreciate on loans / bit part Plenty has changed when you think about it. NB. I was happy for Cowley to crack on next season How much he banged on about the Cowleys though it is a worrying change and shows a man who doesn't stick by an decision and the new guy is setting off the same alarm bells when we appointed Siewert. The problem now is it is all unknown and certainly means I won't be risking another season ticket. I regretted one this season when we didn't bin off Siewert at the end of the season. I am worried about his view we have a top 6 squad and somehow thinks somebody is going to get anything out of Diakhaby and Mbenza. I haven't seen anybody want those two to stay and there is a few others people have given up on as well But now he's got to know the Rons properly he doesn't think they're the answer 🤔
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 20, 2020 18:45:06 GMT 1
He has lost him with all the guff he has come out with and I don't trust him. What he is doing he believes is in the best interest for the club but I can't back him. Guff was what Cowley used to come out with in pre and post match interviews
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 20, 2020 18:53:08 GMT 1
Can't believe most fans lives up to the DC hype, all he did was waffle on. Did you enjoy Cowleys tactics? We were utter crap at home. Sheffield W Reading Luton Wigan Leeds Cardiff All beat us to nil. Stoke hammered us 5-2 too Bore 0-0s v boro, Brentford and Preston So can people please tell me why they didn't deserve the sack? People will say they kept us up from a position we were in when they took us over. But we were 6 points clear of the bottom 3 at Xmas. So please tell me that dragging ourselves back into it, is doing a good job? Depends if you prefer quality/entertaining football or you prefer results. For me getting 51 points after having only one point after ten games is quite an achievement. Town were as good as down and yet we stayed up. The actual quality of football was dire long before the Cowleys came along. Teams at the bottom rarely play entertaining stuff. It is all about what you want from your team, people differ on it. 2 from 9 not 1 from 10
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 20, 2020 18:57:09 GMT 1
I hadn't renewed due to Covid but I was seriously thinking about not doing, after 35 years of having a season ticket, due the the shite the Cowleys had us playing. Been watching town a similar length of time and find it amazing that you haven’t had a season ticket in some of those 35 years because last year is nowhere near as bad as some of those. Its more likely it’s a mix between covid 19 and us probably achieving the impossible so your desire to go has been effected, but you know best, it was the worst footy for 35 years. I didn't say it was the worst for 35 years but as you say with circumstances changing I didn't want to watch those 2 try and shithouse goalless draws week in, week out anymore
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Post by schindlersmissed on Jul 20, 2020 19:02:31 GMT 1
I hadn't renewed due to Covid but I was seriously thinking about not doing, after 35 years of having a season ticket, due the the shite the Cowleys had us playing. Been watching town a similar length of time and find it amazing that you haven’t had a season ticket in some of those 35 years because last year is nowhere near as bad as some of those. Its more likely it’s a mix between covid 19 and us probably achieving the impossible so your desire to go has been effected, but you know best, it was the worst footy for 35 years. Gosh your memory might not be working too well if that was the worst since 35 years!!
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 20, 2020 19:06:45 GMT 1
No I have no respect for him not his decision, there is a difference. The way it was announced, the complete lack of communication to the fans, the fact that he is cleaning house. Obviously he can't disclose certain facts, that doesn't mean that he can't say anything. There are plenty of ways to make a decision like this, and most of them would be a better option. Are you stating as fact the Cowleys behaviour was unacceptable and unprofessional? If so that would amount to a breach of contract surely and have resulted in us not having to pay them off? He’s running a business what’s it got to do with communicating to the fans? Do you think he owes you or anyone else anything? You spend £250 to be entertained (rarely happens tbf) and this gives you what right exactly? He’ll do what he wants with his money, he’ll be judged by us all on how well he does. I for one couldn’t give two shites that he’s sacked the Cowleys, nor could I really have cared if they’d been here next season, though on balance - I’m glad they’ve gone Views like yours are why football as gone down hill, it’s a business , no it’s not just a business it’s our football club it’s a part of us, I couldn’t give two shits about the person in charge making money what’s the point in that if he doesn’t reinvest it in our club. We aren’t here to make the owner money , he might be but we aren’t . The owners of footy clubs have brainwashed fans into money matters , it matters shit if the profits are kept for the owners , people / fans care about this club it’s nothing to do with the cost of a season ticket. Communication is irrelevant agreed but don’t say we are worthless because it’s a business and £250 is nothing. It’s our club and without us football clubs don’t exist. We have no power as one but fuck me we have all the power with unity, and EVERY STH matters, much more than one owner.
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Post by aca00js on Jul 20, 2020 19:15:47 GMT 1
He has lost him with all the guff he has come out with and I don't trust him. What he is doing he believes is in the best interest for the club but I can't back him. Guff was what Cowley used to come out with in pre and post match interviews That "guff" was just modern football speak, that is how they talk behind the scenes and the new guy will be talking in the same way. I've had enough of Phil and his top 6 squad bollocks and fear he is going to want to see the out on loans back into the fold.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 20, 2020 19:16:54 GMT 1
He’s running a business what’s it got to do with communicating to the fans? Do you think he owes you or anyone else anything? You spend £250 to be entertained (rarely happens tbf) and this gives you what right exactly? He’ll do what he wants with his money, he’ll be judged by us all on how well he does. I for one couldn’t give two shites that he’s sacked the Cowleys, nor could I really have cared if they’d been here next season, though on balance - I’m glad they’ve gone Views like yours are why football as gone down hill, it’s a business , no it’s not just a business it’s our football club it’s a part of us, I couldn’t give two shits about the person in charge making money what’s the point in that if he doesn’t reinvest it in our club. We aren’t here to make the owner money , he might be but we aren’t . The owners of footy clubs have brainwashed fans into money matters , it matters shit if the profits are kept for the owners , people / fans care about this club it’s nothing to do with the cost of a season ticket. Communication is irrelevant agreed but don’t say we are worthless because it’s a business and £250 is nothing. It’s our club and without us football clubs don’t exist. We have no power as one but fuck me we have all the power with unity, and EVERY STH matters, much more than one owner. You could buy the club, spend your hard earned money and decide how you would interact with fans? I didn’t say we were worthless, I said he’ll make his own decisions and be judged, by you and I for it.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 20, 2020 19:17:40 GMT 1
He’s running a business what’s it got to do with communicating to the fans? Do you think he owes you or anyone else anything? You spend £250 to be entertained (rarely happens tbf) and this gives you what right exactly? He’ll do what he wants with his money, he’ll be judged by us all on how well he does. I for one couldn’t give two shites that he’s sacked the Cowleys, nor could I really have cared if they’d been here next season, though on balance - I’m glad they’ve gone He IS communicating to the fans - look up. I didn’t say he WASNT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 19:22:02 GMT 1
I'm one of those 'fickle part timer' town fans who thinks we deserve good football for our pounds - when we play escapist football i don't go and watch, why should I? - when we do - i pay monies regardless of the league we are in. I haven't watched us live in two years as we have served up ABSOLUTE TURGID SHITE. Happy the Cowley borers are gone, couldn't give a monkey if they go on to be world beaters. Another Powell era gone, thank god. Ring the changes, get excitement back, get all the 'fickle! you're not a real fans' back - just like me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 19:24:30 GMT 1
He IS communicating to the fans - look up. I didn’t say he WASNT You're RIGHT. i APOLOGISE.
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Post by swam4mwg on Jul 20, 2020 19:30:32 GMT 1
Depends if you prefer quality/entertaining football or you prefer results. For me getting 51 points after having only one point after ten games is quite an achievement. Town were as good as down and yet we stayed up. The actual quality of football was dire long before the Cowleys came along. Teams at the bottom rarely play entertaining stuff. It is all about what you want from your team, people differ on it. 2 from 9 not 1 from 10 Well that point made the difference
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 20, 2020 19:31:50 GMT 1
Views like yours are why football as gone down hill, it’s a business , no it’s not just a business it’s our football club it’s a part of us, I couldn’t give two shits about the person in charge making money what’s the point in that if he doesn’t reinvest it in our club. We aren’t here to make the owner money , he might be but we aren’t . The owners of footy clubs have brainwashed fans into money matters , it matters shit if the profits are kept for the owners , people / fans care about this club it’s nothing to do with the cost of a season ticket. Communication is irrelevant agreed but don’t say we are worthless because it’s a business and £250 is nothing. It’s our club and without us football clubs don’t exist. We have no power as one but fuck me we have all the power with unity, and EVERY STH matters, much more than one owner. You could buy the club, spend your hard earned money and decide how you would interact with fans? I didn’t say we were worthless, I said he’ll make his own decisions and be judged, by you and I for it. I could buy the club , not heard that before, if I could buy the club one things for sure it would be in the hands of someone who loves this club and wasn’t interested in money or my own ego. Ph as yet to prove that . But like you said it’s a fucking business.
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