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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 23, 2020 9:02:52 GMT 1
If you actually stop and think about the decisions that PH has taken since he came here, for anyone to call them 'cheap options', or to repeatedly accuse him of not spending, is stupidity of the highest order.
I can't remember who wrote it but I saw a comment on another thread recently that said (WRT Cowleys being sacked) 'Dress it up how you like, this is a cost cutting exercise'.
Bizzarre logic.
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Post by ageingterrier on Jul 23, 2020 9:07:57 GMT 1
I can’t say I’m that bothered about another crack at the Premier League. What I do want to see is a side who enjoy playing and therefore play in the right spirit, trying to score goals. On paper, the players on Town’s books are capable of finishing top six when allowed to play to their abilities. They’ve been constrained by micro management coaches for too long. The Cowleys struck me as career driven middle managers who are only bothered about the stats and their CVs. If you were working for them you wouldn’t know what they wanted you to do from one week to the next. Hardly surprising the players appear inhibited on the field.
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Post by htfctx on Jul 23, 2020 13:34:01 GMT 1
Big Phil has got this. Who has a model to be admired? Brentford Where did Devlin come from? Brentford Town can't throw the baby out with the bath water. Phil can only retool 25% of the squad per season, otherwise the 'time balance' of player contracts gets 'skewed'. Town have got the majority of Premiere League wages handled. Recruitment has to be young talent that develops and can be sold for a profit. They have to score goals and players have to want to come here, so the fans have to be supportive and there has be a culture of positivity. Good luck with all of that. Interesting times ahead.
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Post by ben1987 on Jul 23, 2020 13:35:49 GMT 1
If you actually stop and think about the decisions that PH has taken since he came here, for anyone to call them 'cheap options', or to repeatedly accuse him of not spending, is stupidity of the highest order. I can't remember who wrote it but I saw a comment on another thread recently that said (WRT Cowleys being sacked) 'Dress it up how you like, this is a cost cutting exercise'. Bizzarre logic. Yea but mate we are going into admin and bankruptcy so it must be a cost cutting exercise.
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Post by showaddywaddywaddy on Jul 24, 2020 2:14:24 GMT 1
I'm done Phil, you've come and ripped the heart and soul out of HTFC like a wild donkey from Southport sands..where you once belonged, promising much and delivering nothing. Best of luck. The club I was born to love is no longer and you are the pillock that broke the camels back 😉 . Best wishes to all Town fans..all the best of luck thats needed.
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Post by portugalterrier on Jul 24, 2020 10:15:18 GMT 1
Just been told that the decision to get rid was a joint decision by the two main shareholders before “ they destroy this club”.
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Post by portugalterrier on Jul 24, 2020 10:17:28 GMT 1
I'm done Phil, you've come and ripped the heart and soul out of HTFC like a wild donkey from Southport sands..where you once belonged, promising much and delivering nothing. Best of luck. The club I was born to love is no longer and you are the pillock that broke the camels back 😉 . Best wishes to all Town fans..all the best of luck thats needed. Some right drama queens on here at the moment, do they come as part of the Premier League package, ie like new floodlights and press facilities ?
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Post by Amigo on Jul 24, 2020 10:24:58 GMT 1
I'm done Phil, you've come and ripped the heart and soul out of HTFC like a wild donkey from Southport sands..where you once belonged, promising much and delivering nothing. Best of luck. The club I was born to love is no longer and you are the pillock that broke the camels back 😉 . Best wishes to all Town fans..all the best of luck thats needed. How has he ripped out the heart and soul of the club?
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Post by space hardware on Jul 24, 2020 10:39:42 GMT 1
Just been told that the decision to get rid was a joint decision by the two main shareholders before “ they destroy this club”. There we go again with these rumours coming out of the club to discredit former employees. Shabby.
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Post by crux on Jul 24, 2020 10:44:32 GMT 1
Just been told that the decision to get rid was a joint decision by the two main shareholders before “ they destroy this club”. There we go again with these rumours coming out of the club to discredit former employees. Shabby. A bit like rumours in the rag of a paper from former employees to discredit former employers!
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Post by space hardware on Jul 24, 2020 10:49:04 GMT 1
There we go again with these rumours coming out of the club to discredit former employees. Shabby. A bit like rumours in the rag of a paper from former employees to discredit former employers! Come again? I haven't seen that?
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Post by portugalterrier on Jul 24, 2020 11:15:25 GMT 1
Just been told that the decision to get rid was a joint decision by the two main shareholders before “ they destroy this club”. There we go again with these rumours coming out of the club to discredit former employees. Shabby. Apart from this has come directly from within Canalside, not a rumour ,comment by a current employee.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 12:18:58 GMT 1
I'm done Phil, you've come and ripped the heart and soul out of HTFC like a wild donkey from Southport sands..where you once belonged, promising much and delivering nothing. Best of luck. The club I was born to love is no longer and you are the pillock that broke the camels back 😉 . Best wishes to all Town fans..all the best of luck thats needed. How has he ripped out the heart and soul of the club? you cannot make it up the stupid and ill informed posts like showaddywaddey. PHILL HAS LIKE ANYONE ELSE IN LIFE MADE MISTAKES BUT RIPPED THE HEART OUT OF THE CLUB ? Give it a rest he is doing what he feels is needed and its allright sniping from afar we need to pull together and help the new coach phill and all the club as we try to go foreward.
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Post by midlander on Jul 24, 2020 12:21:14 GMT 1
Just been told that the decision to get rid was a joint decision by the two main shareholders before “ they destroy this club”. There we go again with these rumours coming out of the club to discredit former employees. Shabby. But, complete true.
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Post by crux on Jul 24, 2020 12:26:53 GMT 1
A bit like rumours in the rag of a paper from former employees to discredit former employers! Come again? I haven't seen that? There was an article in The Sun straight after the Cowley's left quoting a 'Club insider' - which appeared to be the Cowley's themselves, putting their side of the story into the press first. The bottom line in all this is, the most important relationship in any football club is the one between Chairman and Manager (or their equivalents, such as proper Director of Football and Head Coach). If that relationship isn't working then the Manager (or Head Coach) has to go - unless the results on the pitch are utterly outstanding. Which ever way you look at it, the relationship between PH and DC/NC appears to have broken down, so they had to go. For what it's worth, I was happy when the Cowley's were appointed and after the result against WBA I was fully expecting them to be given the chance to start next season. I can't say I was excited by the prospect of watching another season's football under their management, but on the field I thought they'd probably earned the right to it. I am more excited by the prospect of watching a team under CC, but realistic enough to realise that the probability of being relegated is higher than under the Cowley's.
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Post by philatrickstarbuck on Jul 24, 2020 12:29:14 GMT 1
I'm done Phil, you've come and ripped the heart and soul out of HTFC like a wild donkey from Southport sands..where you once belonged, promising much and delivering nothing. Best of luck. The club I was born to love is no longer and you are the pillock that broke the camels back 😉 . Best wishes to all Town fans..all the best of luck thats needed. Bye 👋
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Post by conman on Jul 24, 2020 12:50:39 GMT 1
I'm done Phil, you've come and ripped the heart and soul out of HTFC like a wild donkey from Southport sands..where you once belonged, promising much and delivering nothing. Best of luck. The club I was born to love is no longer and you are the pillock that broke the camels back 😉 . Best wishes to all Town fans..all the best of luck thats needed. Winker or Wanker ? I'm going winker..
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Post by boooothy on Jul 24, 2020 12:53:04 GMT 1
If you actually stop and think about the decisions that PH has taken since he came here, for anyone to call them 'cheap options', or to repeatedly accuse him of not spending, is stupidity of the highest order. I can't remember who wrote it but I saw a comment on another thread recently that said (WRT Cowleys being sacked) 'Dress it up how you like, this is a cost cutting exercise'. Bizzarre logic. That wasn’t a comment to the Cowleys getting sacked, it was releasing Jon Iga
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Post by space hardware on Jul 24, 2020 13:11:43 GMT 1
Come again? I haven't seen that? There was an article in The Sun straight after the Cowley's left quoting a 'Club insider' - which appeared to be the Cowley's themselves, putting their side of the story into the press first. The bottom line in all this is, the most important relationship in any football club is the one between Chairman and Manager (or their equivalents, such as proper Director of Football and Head Coach). If that relationship isn't working then the Manager (or Head Coach) has to go - unless the results on the pitch are utterly outstanding. Which ever way you look at it, the relationship between PH and DC/NC appears to have broken down, so they had to go. For what it's worth, I was happy when the Cowley's were appointed and after the result against WBA I was fully expecting them to be given the chance to start next season. I can't say I was excited by the prospect of watching another season's football under their management, but on the field I thought they'd probably earned the right to it. I am more excited by the prospect of watching a team under CC, but realistic enough to realise that the probability of being relegated is higher than under the Cowley's. Fair enough, I didn't see that article. Whether this stuff about the Cowleys is true or not, the leaking of info from both sides is poor. A sign of the times though, I suppose.
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Post by midlander on Jul 24, 2020 13:50:43 GMT 1
There was an article in The Sun straight after the Cowley's left quoting a 'Club insider' - which appeared to be the Cowley's themselves, putting their side of the story into the press first. The bottom line in all this is, the most important relationship in any football club is the one between Chairman and Manager (or their equivalents, such as proper Director of Football and Head Coach). If that relationship isn't working then the Manager (or Head Coach) has to go - unless the results on the pitch are utterly outstanding. Which ever way you look at it, the relationship between PH and DC/NC appears to have broken down, so they had to go. For what it's worth, I was happy when the Cowley's were appointed and after the result against WBA I was fully expecting them to be given the chance to start next season. I can't say I was excited by the prospect of watching another season's football under their management, but on the field I thought they'd probably earned the right to it. I am more excited by the prospect of watching a team under CC, but realistic enough to realise that the probability of being relegated is higher than under the Cowley's. Fair enough, I didn't see that article. Whether this stuff about the Cowleys is true or not, the leaking of info from both sides is poor. A sign of the times though, I suppose. Don't think that Town have 'leaked' any information at all about the Cowleys. In fact, more the opposite - they have kept their counsel more so than many fans would have liked to have seen.
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Post by space hardware on Jul 24, 2020 13:56:07 GMT 1
Fair enough, I didn't see that article. Whether this stuff about the Cowleys is true or not, the leaking of info from both sides is poor. A sign of the times though, I suppose. Don't think that Town have 'leaked' any information at all about the Cowleys. In fact, more the opposite - they have kept their counsel more so than many fans would have liked to have seen. Where's the Bristol City stuff come from then?
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Post by midlander on Jul 24, 2020 14:12:24 GMT 1
Don't think that Town have 'leaked' any information at all about the Cowleys. In fact, more the opposite - they have kept their counsel more so than many fans would have liked to have seen. Where's the Bristol City stuff come from then? People on here, speculating? Somebody on Twitter, claiming it?
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 24, 2020 14:19:26 GMT 1
Where's the Bristol City stuff come from then? People on here, speculating? Somebody on Twitter, claiming it? Somebody was leaking because I heard about the sacking and the replacements name half an hour before it occured. There were loads repeating the same stuff, incredible stuff at the time tbh. As space says, it is commonplace now in just about every avenue of life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 14:21:59 GMT 1
People seem to have got way too into the Cowleys on here. Danny certainly talked a good game but we were shite on the pitch, just scraping up by one result.
We made little progress under DC.
They’re more suited to a lower league club. No one in the championship has managers making all the decisions these days. It’s not Brian Clough’s era.
Football is big business. Every decision is complex and cost hundreds of thousands or more.
They’d got weighed down by the challenge. It had all become too hard so much so that we struggled against Luton with our flair players benched. That weirdly negative period of not attacking at all- reminiscent of Powell before he went or Wagner before he went.
They’d gone into their shell due to the pressure.
They were however well backed in the transfer market by Phil.
I wasn’t optimistic about PH at first- I was a critic especially someone with a legal instead of a business background- but he has good football experience tbf.
What’s changed my mind with Phil H, via a series of moves has been the recruitment over the season. Yes some good picks from Cowleys in the case of Toffolo who they knew but Phil backed them well here.
Immediately went and bought a right back in Simpson no doubt on silly money for a fat lazy injury prone guy.
That would’ve rankled with me as chairman and damn right he didn’t deserve e a £150k bonus. F that. Good riddance. That’s not undermining the manager it’s being prudent with the clubs funds.
He immediately replaced Elphick after injury, arguably with an upgrade in Stearman.
ESR & Willock- since when did we get the pick of prem loanees. They won’t have been cheap.
Campbell signee and re-signed Lossl immediately- two decisions that kept us up.
Not sold Grant. Allegedly offered £15M & he rejected it. He knows he’ll be worth twice that if he’s top scorer at Christmas 2020 or ten times that if he can fire us back to the prem. stranger things have happened- 3 years ago!
Club stayed up despite the catastrophic retention of Siewert.
Now this new appointment smacks of learning to me. I suspect maybe Dean had something to do with keeping Siewert on. Not convinced he was Phil’s man ever.
He then went Cowleys for some stability and old school British values which made a lot of sense. That worked to a point but wasn’t leading anywhere but inconsistency and mid table mediocrity.
Phil clearly hasn’t just taken this job on for the status or ego trip. He wants to write his own chapter of HTFC success.
No, to actually make a name for himself as a chairman, he needed to make his own bold move/ Carlos Corberan is that choice- he’s had his Clark, now he’s having his Wagner.
An exciting well regarded coach of players. Intimate knowledge of the league and all the players in it including our own.
I’ve no reason to doubt that Phil will continue to back his new manager as he did with the Cowleys.
This is an exciting time imo when the club is set up the way the MD wants.
Now it’s for us to see some positive changes in pre season, some exciting new additions and get right behind the club for a good start. After all we all know what a good start in the championship can mean.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 14:24:00 GMT 1
If you actually stop and think about the decisions that PH has taken since he came here, for anyone to call them 'cheap options', or to repeatedly accuse him of not spending, is stupidity of the highest order. I can't remember who wrote it but I saw a comment on another thread recently that said (WRT Cowleys being sacked) 'Dress it up how you like, this is a cost cutting exercise'. Bizzarre logic. That wasn’t a comment to the Cowleys getting sacked, it was releasing Jon Iga
The fitness coach who in my eyes hadn't done a very good job recently.
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jul 24, 2020 14:29:35 GMT 1
If you actually stop and think about the decisions that PH has taken since he came here, for anyone to call them 'cheap options', or to repeatedly accuse him of not spending, is stupidity of the highest order. I can't remember who wrote it but I saw a comment on another thread recently that said (WRT Cowleys being sacked) 'Dress it up how you like, this is a cost cutting exercise'. Bizzarre logic. That wasn’t a comment to the Cowleys getting sacked, it was releasing Jon Iga Nevertheless, it's still wrong.
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Post by boooothy on Jul 24, 2020 14:36:56 GMT 1
That wasn’t a comment to the Cowleys getting sacked, it was releasing Jon Iga Nevertheless, it's still wrong. We will be paying less money, even allowing for compensation, to the next lot over the next 2 years than those we’ve just got rid of. If not, we are over paying. I didn’t even like the Cowleys. Their shithouse non league tactics eg leaving teams waiting to kick off the second half had worn thin with me. I’m over it. Carlos’ s Barmy Army
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Post by rastrick32 on Jul 24, 2020 14:43:14 GMT 1
Nevertheless, it's still wrong. We will be paying less money, even allowing for compensation, to the next lot over the next 2 years than those we’ve just got rid of. If not, we are over paying. I didn’t even like the Cowleys. Their shithouse non league tactics eg leaving teams waiting to kick off the second half had worn thin with me. I’m over it. Carlos’ s Barmy Army Starting a verbal ruck with EVERY opposition dugout. Actually, looking to start a ruck. Don't get me wrong, I love a bit of passion and I quite like it when it spills over; the Leeds match under Wagner springs to mind. But to do it every match as part of some preplanned routine really pissed me off.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 24, 2020 14:47:57 GMT 1
We will be paying less money, even allowing for compensation, to the next lot over the next 2 years than those we’ve just got rid of. If not, we are over paying. I didn’t even like the Cowleys. Their shithouse non league tactics eg leaving teams waiting to kick off the second half had worn thin with me. I’m over it. Carlos’ s Barmy Army Starting a verbal ruck with EVERY opposition dugout. Actually, looking to start a ruck. Don't get me wrong, I love a bit of passion and I quite like it when it spills over; the Leeds match under Wagner springs to mind. But to do it every match as part of some preplanned routine really pissed me off. Non League tactics and Non League behaviour. Hard to imagine that they are respected within the game.
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Post by deo1 on Jul 26, 2020 0:59:44 GMT 1
Who can you really blame? The person who bought the club or the person who sold it, got their money back and ended up owning the training ground and rents it back to the club? I know who I’m pointing g the finger at. As Ken Davy's biggest fan that's hardly a surprise No surprise at all. It’s just a shame what has transpired since we finished our first season in the PL as everything looked rosey in the garden back then.
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