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Post by rphyorks on Jul 20, 2020 19:48:18 GMT 1
The last thing we need is someone to walk in and the players to go "who" like when Siewart came in. surely the players would have said " who " when the Cowleys walked in .... and " who" when Dave Wagner was brought over ..
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 20, 2020 19:50:01 GMT 1
How much he banged on about the Cowleys though it is a worrying change and shows a man who doesn't stick by an decision and the new guy is setting off the same alarm bells when we appointed Siewert. The problem now is it is all unknown and certainly means I won't be risking another season ticket. I regretted one this season when we didn't bin off Siewert at the end of the season. I am worried about his view we have a top 6 squad and somehow thinks somebody is going to get anything out of Diakhaby and Mbenza. I haven't seen anybody want those two to stay and there is a few others people have given up on as well But now he's got to know the Rons properly he doesn't think they're the answer 🤔 “The Ron’s”. This still cracks me up
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Jul 20, 2020 19:51:40 GMT 1
I'm one of those 'fickle part timer' town fans who thinks we deserve good football for our pounds - when we play escapist football i don't go and watch, why should I? - when we do - i pay monies regardless of the league we are in. I haven't watched us live in two years as we have served up ABSOLUTE TURGID SHITE. Happy the Cowley borers are gone, couldn't give a monkey if they go on to be world beaters. Another Powell era gone, thank god. Ring the changes, get excitement back, get all the 'fickle! you're not a real fans' back - just like me. In the meanwhile i'll be watching the cricket. #HesGoneMate
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 19:55:26 GMT 1
I'm one of those 'fickle part timer' town fans who thinks we deserve good football for our pounds - when we play escapist football i don't go and watch, why should I? - when we do - i pay monies regardless of the league we are in. I haven't watched us live in two years as we have served up ABSOLUTE TURGID SHITE. Happy the Cowley borers are gone, couldn't give a monkey if they go on to be world beaters. Another Powell era gone, thank god. Ring the changes, get excitement back, get all the 'fickle! you're not a real fans' back - just like me. In the meanwhile i'll be watching the cricket. #HesGoneMate Haha - never gets old.
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Post by deo1 on Jul 20, 2020 19:55:38 GMT 1
Who can you really blame? The person who bought the club or the person who sold it, got their money back and ended up owning the training ground and rents it back to the club? I know who I’m pointing g the finger at.
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Post by gpaul19781 on Jul 20, 2020 20:28:35 GMT 1
Who can you really blame? The person who bought the club or the person who sold it, got their money back and ended up owning the training ground and rents it back to the club? I know who I’m pointing g the finger at. As Ken Davy's biggest fan that's hardly a surprise
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 20, 2020 20:43:16 GMT 1
You could buy the club, spend your hard earned money and decide how you would interact with fans? I didn’t say we were worthless, I said he’ll make his own decisions and be judged, by you and I for it. I could buy the club , not heard that before, if I could buy the club one things for sure it would be in the hands of someone who loves this club and wasn’t interested in money or my own ego. Ph as yet to prove that . But like you said it’s a fucking business. Genuine question, do you think it is a business?
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 20, 2020 21:01:20 GMT 1
I could buy the club , not heard that before, if I could buy the club one things for sure it would be in the hands of someone who loves this club and wasn’t interested in money or my own ego. Ph as yet to prove that . But like you said it’s a fucking business. Genuine question, do you think it is a business? It’s a nothing of a business without the fans.Some people earn money to survive, others earn money to enjoy their loves in life . Some think business is life . I know which of the 3 I’d wish for, unlucky for some they fall into the other 2 categories. Good luck in life you need it.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 20, 2020 21:35:39 GMT 1
Genuine question, do you think it is a business? It’s a nothing of a business without the fans.Some people earn money to survive, others earn money to enjoy their loves in life . Some think business is life . I know which of the 3 I’d wish for, unlucky for some they fall into the other 2 categories. Good luck in life you need it. Calm down lad, it was a very simple question. So we both agree it’s a business, cool (thumb)
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Post by brighousebandbred on Jul 20, 2020 23:13:18 GMT 1
It’s a nothing of a business without the fans.Some people earn money to survive, others earn money to enjoy their loves in life . Some think business is life . I know which of the 3 I’d wish for, unlucky for some they fall into the other 2 categories. Good luck in life you need it. Calm down lad, it was a very simple question. So we both agree it’s a business, cool (thumb) Who said I was a lad presumptious as ever.
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Post by specialun on Jul 22, 2020 21:13:01 GMT 1
We’ve played some pretty passes and some young lads
Is this Chairman Phil’s vision?
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Post by crux on Jul 22, 2020 21:51:16 GMT 1
We’ve played some pretty passes and some young lads Is this Chairman Phil’s vision? We get you don't like Phil and want the Cowley's back, but it isn't going to happen.
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Post by specialun on Jul 22, 2020 22:12:02 GMT 1
We’ve played some pretty passes and some young lads Is this Chairman Phil’s vision? We get you don't like Phil and want the Cowley's back, but it isn't going to happen. Cowley’s have gone - I didn’t want them to go. But they’ve gone. I’m more interested in understanding about Phil’s vision - any ideas?!
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Post by tvor on Jul 22, 2020 22:15:43 GMT 1
We’ll find out the vision in the next few days. It’s all relative but Hoyle backed and trusted Wagner in way that he wouldn’t do with Powell. We need something similar this time around.
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Post by jim100 on Jul 22, 2020 22:19:30 GMT 1
We get you don't like Phil and want the Cowley's back, but it isn't going to happen. Cowley’s have gone - I didn’t want them to go. But they’ve gone. I’m more interested in understanding about Phil’s vision - any ideas?! Pretty obvious. He's going to run the club on a shoe string and hope the new coach can get something out of mbemzna et al if they can't be sold. He's probably also counting on all the other clubs facing the abyss due to covid that this will be a bit of a leveller financially.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 22, 2020 22:24:20 GMT 1
Cowley’s have gone - I didn’t want them to go. But they’ve gone. I’m more interested in understanding about Phil’s vision - any ideas?! Pretty obvious. He's going to run the club on a shoe string and hope the new coach can get something out of mbemzna et al if they can't be sold. He's probably also counting on all the other clubs facing the abyss due to covid that this will be a bit of a leveller financially. Obvious, in the same way that Hoyle appointed an untested second team coach? Was he aiming to run the club on a shoestring? Lots of people making assumptions with absolutely no basis. Can you tell me what the lottery numbers are this weekend please
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Post by specialun on Jul 22, 2020 22:27:51 GMT 1
Pretty obvious. He's going to run the club on a shoe string and hope the new coach can get something out of mbemzna et al if they can't be sold. He's probably also counting on all the other clubs facing the abyss due to covid that this will be a bit of a leveller financially. Obvious, in the same way that Hoyle appointed an untested second team coach? Was he aiming to run the club on a shoestring? Lots of people making assumptions with absolutely no basis. Can you tell me what the lottery numbers are this weekend please I can tell you the line up tonight and score Are you suggesting a Phil is going to back the new head coach like dean backed Wagner, sensibly, but backed him nonetheless
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Post by jim100 on Jul 22, 2020 22:28:31 GMT 1
Pretty obvious. He's going to run the club on a shoe string and hope the new coach can get something out of mbemzna et al if they can't be sold. He's probably also counting on all the other clubs facing the abyss due to covid that this will be a bit of a leveller financially. Obvious, in the same way that Hoyle appointed an untested second team coach? Was he aiming to run the club on a shoestring? Lots of people making assumptions with absolutely no basis. Can you tell me what the lottery numbers are this weekend please Wish I could.! Look covid changes everything. The chairman has been on talk sport explaining this. We are not going to be spending money but neither will any other club. He's obviously going for a coach who can get the best out of the players we have and probably have connections for European loans
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Post by aca00js on Jul 22, 2020 22:28:49 GMT 1
Pretty obvious. He's going to run the club on a shoe string and hope the new coach can get something out of mbemzna et al if they can't be sold. He's probably also counting on all the other clubs facing the abyss due to covid that this will be a bit of a leveller financially. Obvious, in the same way that Hoyle appointed an untested second team coach? Was he aiming to run the club on a shoestring? Lots of people making assumptions with absolutely no basis. Can you tell me what the lottery numbers are this weekend please He hardly back Siewert last summer so why will it be any different. This is the man who thinks we have a top 6 squad and amazing youth players
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 22, 2020 22:33:23 GMT 1
Obvious, in the same way that Hoyle appointed an untested second team coach? Was he aiming to run the club on a shoestring? Lots of people making assumptions with absolutely no basis. Can you tell me what the lottery numbers are this weekend please I can tell you the line up tonight and score Are you suggesting a Phil is going to back the new head coach like dean backed Wagner, sensibly, but backed him nonetheless I’m suggesting he might, and pretty sure no one knows but Phil whether or not he will! Time will tell won’t it!
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 22, 2020 22:34:40 GMT 1
Obvious, in the same way that Hoyle appointed an untested second team coach? Was he aiming to run the club on a shoestring? Lots of people making assumptions with absolutely no basis. Can you tell me what the lottery numbers are this weekend please Wish I could.! Look covid changes everything. The chairman has been on talk sport explaining this. We are not going to be spending money but neither will any other club. He's obviously going for a coach who can get the best out of the players we have and probably have connections for European loans And if our new head coach does, happy days eh
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 22, 2020 22:37:10 GMT 1
Obvious, in the same way that Hoyle appointed an untested second team coach? Was he aiming to run the club on a shoestring? Lots of people making assumptions with absolutely no basis. Can you tell me what the lottery numbers are this weekend please He hardly back Siewert last summer so why will it be any different. This is the man who thinks we have a top 6 squad and amazing youth players I think we’re in for an exciting 12 months, I could be wrong of course, but I’m hopeful, more so than I would have been with Cowley in charge
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 22, 2020 23:56:40 GMT 1
Obvious, in the same way that Hoyle appointed an untested second team coach? Was he aiming to run the club on a shoestring? Lots of people making assumptions with absolutely no basis. Can you tell me what the lottery numbers are this weekend please I can tell you the line up tonight and score Are you suggesting a Phil is going to back the new head coach like dean backed Wagner, sensibly, but backed him nonetheless Phil must have backed the Cowleys in January ( December in Simpsons case ) more than Hoyle backed wagner in the same window in this division. Doubt wagner was bringing in 3 players each on ÂŁ30k+ a week plus other signings and loans. Are you really using tonights result as another thing to have a go at Hodgkinson about?
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jul 23, 2020 0:19:21 GMT 1
I can tell you the line up tonight and score Are you suggesting a Phil is going to back the new head coach like dean backed Wagner, sensibly, but backed him nonetheless Phil must have backed the Cowleys in January ( December in Simpsons case ) more than Hoyle backed wagner in the same window in this division. Doubt wagner was bringing in 3 players each on ÂŁ30k+ a week plus other signings and loans. Are you really using tonights result as another thing to have a go at Hodgkinson about? I have this feeling that the Covid situation has made Potless rethink. The Cowley's shut out Mbenza, Diakhaby and Kongolo because of their attitude and performance in training - general disruption in the dressing room that sort of thing. They would have been expecting to refresh the squad in the next transfer season. Potless has no money however so would have demanded that the three amigos be given another chance and that the Cowley's would have to re-integrate them. All this chatter about loads of new players is pie in the sky if you ask me.
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Post by irverino on Jul 23, 2020 0:20:01 GMT 1
Who do we think is pulling the strings in the boardroom.......answers on a postcard?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 23, 2020 0:31:13 GMT 1
Phil must have backed the Cowleys in January ( December in Simpsons case ) more than Hoyle backed wagner in the same window in this division. Doubt wagner was bringing in 3 players each on ÂŁ30k+ a week plus other signings and loans. Are you really using tonights result as another thing to have a go at Hodgkinson about? I have this feeling that the Covid situation has made Potless rethink. The Cowley's shut out Mbenza, Diakhaby and Kongolo because of their attitude and performance in training - general disruption in the dressing room that sort of thing. They would have been expecting to refresh the squad in the next transfer season. Potless has no money however so would have demanded that the three amigos be given another chance and that the Cowley's would have to re-integrate them. All this chatter about loads of new players is pie in the sky if you ask me. Are you really going to join the utter dullards who call him potless, Keith? Hodgkinson paid for the cowleys to refresh the side in january. SEVEN signings including Simpson who arrived in december. And we still only avoided going down by a cock hair. I dont think trying to get a manager who can get a song out of ÂŁ70m worth of signings we own, when its clear the Cowleys couldnt, is such a bad idea, if that was part of his thinking.
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Post by Wingman on Jul 23, 2020 5:12:11 GMT 1
What folk are forgetting here is that the banished few have to want to play for the club. You can have whoever you like in charge but if they are motivated by money and the bright lights of the PL then they are not going to just switch on and play for us. They didn’t for three successive managers, and I’ll be surprised if the fourth makes a difference.
The sooner they’re gone, the better for everyone, including themselves.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 23, 2020 7:27:26 GMT 1
Obvious, in the same way that Hoyle appointed an untested second team coach? Was he aiming to run the club on a shoestring? Lots of people making assumptions with absolutely no basis. Can you tell me what the lottery numbers are this weekend please Wish I could.! Look covid changes everything. The chairman has been on talk sport explaining this. We are not going to be spending money but neither will any other club. He's obviously going for a coach who can get the best out of the players we have and probably have connections for European loans The players we have arent up to it.....we wont be throwing money around for sure but if mbenza, diakhaby and sobhi are part of the plan it wont be any good, because they arent up to it. Kacha and quaner am told have both gone.
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Post by dugnet on Jul 23, 2020 8:47:22 GMT 1
There can be no doubt that our current playing squad requires a significant amount of work. I seriously worry if PH thinks, as he publically stated, it is top 6 on paper. It is absolutely not!
Many players are, in my view, are either at the end of their time at Town or aren't what we need. The money spent on transfer fees and wages has been pitifully wasted (not by PH). As I have posted before the lack of a plan and an experienced team in key roles was at the root of this.
When we look at the quality of our kids here's a sobering thought. Only, and I'll be corrected if I have this wrong, O'Brien, Schofield, Edmonds-Green and Pyke have been on loan to full time professional league teams. The remainder either haven't been out or have been at National League or lower. In the same way that we have taken U23 Premier League players you would hope that other teams in L1 & 2 would have taken some of our better youngsters. I don't think it's any coincidence that 3 of those named have either proved themselves (O'Brien) or look like being capable of making it at Championship level. The one exception is Daly who has looked more than capable but his development seems to have been managed differently, possibly due to his injury.
If PH is looking to clear the decks, back a sensible but focused recruitment policy then it could be the start of a structure that we can build on.
I certainly don't expect any challenge for promotion but if there's a plan, a sense of everyone working together, a spirit, some good football (accepting transition takes time) and re-engagement of the fans I will be greatly encouraged that the lessons have been learned and the club is moving forward. If however we are told we are going to build on the talent we already have I am going to be worried.
This really is make or break for PH. Moreover this is the final chance to build on the Premier League legacy. Get this wrong and I don't see any great hope unless someone with bigger pockets and a fresh vision sweep into the club. It's telling that both WBA and Cardiff are in the play offs this season. WBA have big investors and a model that allows them to hold their squad and bounce back. Cardiff do have a man with money but after being burnt by his last Premier League experience cut his cloth more sensibly. The legacy Warnock created has been built on by Harris. Cardiff have learned, not "blown their brains" and this from a club that many would have considered to be a "basket case". If I was DH I'd feel more than a little bit sheepish on where we are and what PH has been left with.
The bottom line is we need to see what happens, what is said and done. For me it's fine to reset and start again but it needs to be a thought through strategy, with a plan (and contingencies) that is realistically financed. If we see the green shoots of something better in the next season people will believe. If there is no evidence we are likely to be back to 12k gates at best and very likely League 1 football.
Over to you PH. You were a success in business, let's see what you can really do with a football club. My one ask would be get rid of the training gear. You have football people who need that, not you. It gives the impression that you are involved with key footballing decisions. As an analogy; I can rustle up a fantastic spag bol, but were I to open a restaurant I wouldn't be hiring me as chef!
It's going to be an interesting and potentially defining few weeks.
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Post by buckers on Jul 23, 2020 8:52:27 GMT 1
There can be no doubt that our current playing squad requires a significant amount of work. I seriously worry if PH thinks, as he publically stated, it is top 6 on paper. It is absolutely not! Many players are, in my view, are either at the end of their time at Town or aren't what we need. The money spent on transfer fees and wages has been pitifully wasted (not by PH). As I have posted before the lack of a plan and an experienced team in key roles was at the root of this. When we look at the quality of our kids here's a sobering thought. Only, and I'll be corrected if I have this wrong, O'Brien, Schofield, Edmonds-Green and Pyke have been on loan to full time professional league teams. The remainder either haven't been out or have been at National League or lower. In the same way that we have taken U23 Premier League players you would hope that other teams in L1 & 2 would have taken some of our better youngsters. I don't think it's any coincidence that 3 of those named have either proved themselves (O'Brien) or look like being capable of making it at Championship level. The one exception is Daly who has looked more than capable but his development seems to have been managed differently, possibly due to his injury. If PH is looking to clear the decks, back a sensible but focused recruitment policy then it could be the start of a structure that we can build on. I certainly don't expect any challenge for promotion but if there's a plan, a sense of everyone working together, a spirit, some good football (accepting transition takes time) and re-engagement of the fans I will be greatly encouraged that the lessons have been learned and the club is moving forward. If however we are told we are going to build on the talent we already have I am going to be worried. This really is make or break for PH. Moreover this is the final chance to build on the Premier League legacy. Get this wrong and I don't see any great hope unless someone with bigger pockets and a fresh vision sweep into the club. It's telling that both WBA and Cardiff are in the play offs this season. WBA have big investors and a model that allows them to hold their squad and bounce back. Cardiff do have a man with money but after being burnt by his last Premier League experience cut his cloth more sensibly. The legacy Warnock created has been built on by Harris. Cardiff have learned, not "blown their brains" and this from a club that many would have considered to be a "basket case". If I was DH I'd feel more than a little bit sheepish on where we are and what PH has been left with. The bottom line is we need to see what happens, what is said and done. For me it's fine to reset and start again but it needs to be a thought through strategy, with a plan (and contingencies) that is realistically financed. If we see the green shoots of something better in the next season people will believe. If there is no evidence we are likely to be back to 12k gates at best and very likely League 1 football. Over to you PH. You were a success in business, let's see what you can really do with a football club. My one ask would be get rid of the training gear. You have football people who need that, not you. It gives the impression that you are involved with key footballing decisions. As an analogy; I can rustle up a fantastic spag bol, but were I to open a restaurant I wouldn't be hiring me as chef! It's going to be an interesting and potentially defining few weeks. UTT Well said
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