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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 15, 2021 12:34:34 GMT 1
There is rationale for it . Its not a ridiculous notion . But I wouldn't go as far as "making sense " :-) It would make more sense this afternoon to introduce a ban on alcohol, tobacco, fast food and driving but to sweeten the pill relax the card only payment rules and allow cash to be used again. It wouldn't. But the sun is shining even I have an argument threshold.. take the last word and we will agree to disagree
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jun 15, 2021 12:52:17 GMT 1
It would make more sense this afternoon to introduce a ban on alcohol, tobacco, fast food and driving but to sweeten the pill relax the card only payment rules and allow cash to be used again. It wouldn't. But the sun is shining even I have an argument threshold.. take the last word and we will agree to disagree Of course it would, to argue to the contrary is clearly being argumentative for the sake of it ! You’ve just said there needs to be rules stating card payment, no cash accepted to help minimise the threat of COVID contact but now you want to argue that the hundreds of thousands of fatalities, every year as a direct result of smoking, drinking, driving and fast food are…….what, irrelevant, acceptable not important? Why are you agreeable to these but worried by handling cash due to COVID? As for your argument threshold, I doubt it somehow, let’s see if you can “take the last word” - oh and for the record I’m willing to bet the sun shine is warmer in San Javier than it is in Yorkshire ?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 15, 2021 13:08:26 GMT 1
For fucks sake ..
Enjoy your superior sun
And stop making things up
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jun 15, 2021 13:19:35 GMT 1
For fucks sake .. Enjoy your superior sun And stop making things up For fucks sake… I brought the sun into it after you twice made reference to it before me - Physician heal thyself ! Not sure what I’m making up either, you’re content to see retailers decline cash payment due to COVID, I think it’s a nonsense. The hundreds of thousands of yearly deaths due to smoking, drinking, driving and fast food are a matter of public record, you’ve again declined to comment as to why they are acceptable but anything related to COVID is not. So Fucks sake to you, with brass knobs on.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 15, 2021 13:29:05 GMT 1
For fucks sake .. Enjoy your superior sun And stop making things up For fucks sake… I brought the sun into it after you twice made reference to it before me - Physician heal thyself ! Not sure what I’m making up either, you’re content to see retailers decline cash payment due to COVID, I think it’s a nonsense. The hundreds of thousands of yearly deaths due to smoking, drinking, driving and fast food are a matter of public record, you’ve again declined to comment as to why they are acceptable but anything related to COVID is not. So Fucks sake to you, with brass knobs on. The 'rationale' for most of these restrictions is to make it look like they are doing something or to take credit for something that was coming anyway. If the weather remains as it is, the extended viral season due to May's bad weather and temperature drop , will fully pass and July will see a huge fall in infections anyway, which the govt can claim was down to a small percentage more being vaccinated and their keeping the restrictions on. It's simply playing with all the cards they have and picking the winning hand after the fact.
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Post by 28901 on Jun 15, 2021 13:56:36 GMT 1
For fucks sake… I brought the sun into it after you twice made reference to it before me - Physician heal thyself ! Not sure what I’m making up either, you’re content to see retailers decline cash payment due to COVID, I think it’s a nonsense. The hundreds of thousands of yearly deaths due to smoking, drinking, driving and fast food are a matter of public record, you’ve again declined to comment as to why they are acceptable but anything related to COVID is not. So Fucks sake to you, with brass knobs on. The 'rationale' for most of these restrictions is to make it look like they are doing something or to take credit for something that was coming anyway. If the weather remains as it is, the extended viral season due to May's bad weather and temperature drop , will fully pass and July will see a huge fall in infections anyway, which the govt can claim was down to a small percentage more being vaccinated and their keeping the restrictions on. It's simply playing with all the cards they have and picking the winning hand after the fact. You're on here and the Covid thread off topic pretty constantly and I'm still not sure what your opinion is. Are you saying it is all a conspiracy? Are you saying there isn't a vaccine? If there is are you refusing it? Simple yes or no would be nice if possible.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jun 15, 2021 14:41:53 GMT 1
Never mind not being able to use cash. As my eldest lad found out at the weekend, a best man is not allowed to pass the ring to the groom during a wedding ceremony now! Way too dangerous.
Think if anything summed up the levels of insane, obsessive and hysterical over-precaution we are seeing then that bit of idiocy is probably it.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 15, 2021 14:44:45 GMT 1
The 'rationale' for most of these restrictions is to make it look like they are doing something or to take credit for something that was coming anyway. If the weather remains as it is, the extended viral season due to May's bad weather and temperature drop , will fully pass and July will see a huge fall in infections anyway, which the govt can claim was down to a small percentage more being vaccinated and their keeping the restrictions on. It's simply playing with all the cards they have and picking the winning hand after the fact. You're on here and the Covid thread off topic pretty constantly and I'm still not sure what your opinion is. Are you saying it is all a conspiracy? Are you saying there isn't a vaccine? If there is are you refusing it? Simple yes or no would be nice if possible. The conspiracy is the removal of context from the very start. Once it wasnt nothing, it became everything and has remained untouchable by opposite fact or expert opinion. The projections were miles out and have been ever since but they facilitate the closing of hospitals to others and kill education, business and jobs. That's the conspiracy but it's not clear as to why its continued as yet, its definitely not for public health. A vaccine produced for a specific corona virus has never been produced before in 50 years of r&d. The bloke who ran the astra one said they had been working on this before it even started?, which leads me to believe it's a general immunity booster from previous trials, got over the line by throwing hundreds of millions of pounds into a previously under funded development of drugs to 'cure' thr common cold. It's hard to believe we have a vaccine for covid 19 but we cannot test for a live or trace result in our testing? I have had 2 jabs, astra zeneca because I had to for my job. I an not against vaccinating any single adult that wishes to have it, I am against calling it safe, no vaccine is ever safe and in this case it's too new to even give any proper full safety certificate to. I do not believe in vaccinating children if they are at no risk from the virus. We as adults take the risk either way and if it works we become the vaccine. There is no yes and no to many of the anomalies that have appeared during this crisis. If you can ignore that it does not kill young people and children and that a tiny proportion who catch it die and continue killing others collaterally and ruining mental health, business and jobs then we are already well into utter madness territory and any conspiracy theories are definitely no madder or far fetched than what we are already actually doing..
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jun 15, 2021 15:09:21 GMT 1
Never mind not being able to use cash. As my eldest lad found out at the weekend, a best man is not allowed to pass the ring to the groom during a wedding ceremony now! Way too dangerous. Think if anything summed up the levels of insane, obsessive and hysterical over-precaution we are seeing then that bit of idiocy is probably it. Ah but don’t forget, “zero contact is not possible it’s all about minimising the risk by eliminating unnecessary contact.” Our resident “ I clearly understand more than you” informed me so earlier when I was having a moan about card only payments!
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Jun 15, 2021 15:27:25 GMT 1
They estimated that 0.2% of the UK population has died within 28 days of a positive COVID test. That is over an 18 month period and not necessarily died of COVID just returned a positive test. If the restrictions aren't removed over the summer they'll be here for another year.
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Post by realmadkid on Jun 18, 2021 15:56:27 GMT 1
They estimated that 0.2% of the UK population has died within 28 days of a positive COVID test. That is over an 18 month period and not necessarily died of COVID just returned a positive test. If the restrictions aren't removed over the summer they'll be here for another year. If you notice on the news reports giving death figures they are very careful not to say died FROM covid. Its always died WITH covid... which opens up an entirely different can of worms. "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." Benjamin Franklin
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Post by Mecha Corte on Jun 19, 2021 9:01:48 GMT 1
They estimated that 0.2% of the UK population has died within 28 days of a positive COVID test. That is over an 18 month period and not necessarily died of COVID just returned a positive test. If the restrictions aren't removed over the summer they'll be here for another year. If you notice on the news reports giving death figures they are very careful not to say died FROM covid. Its always died WITH covid... which opens up an entirely different can of worms. "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." Benjamin Franklin If you’ve had a positive test within the last 28 days then no matter how you meet your maker you are added to the COVID figures ! So positive test on the 1st, run over by a bus on the 20th and according to the figures COVID has claimed another !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2021 12:48:46 GMT 1
If you notice on the news reports giving death figures they are very careful not to say died FROM covid. Its always died WITH covid... which opens up an entirely different can of worms. "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." Benjamin Franklin If you’ve had a positive test within the last 28 days then no matter how you meet your maker you are added to the COVID figures ! So positive test on the 1st, run over by a bus on the 20th and according to the figures COVID has claimed another ! It'll be interesting when the new method of calculating kicks in, which considers scenarios such as the following >> www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1492www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57242248www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/up-to-8700-patients-died-after-catching-covid-in-english-hospitals...where a significant minority of deaths are of people who went into hospital, covid free (you're tested on admission), because of all the regular reasons that people end up in hospital, and then contract covid whilst in hospital, and subsequently die 'with' Covid :/ There's a number of hospitals listed in this where more than a third of people who died with Covid definitely didn't have it when admitted to hospital. Shocking really.
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Post by benhomly on Jun 19, 2021 12:55:52 GMT 1
If you notice on the news reports giving death figures they are very careful not to say died FROM covid. Its always died WITH covid... which opens up an entirely different can of worms. "People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both." Benjamin Franklin If you’ve had a positive test within the last 28 days then no matter how you meet your maker you are added to the COVID figures ! So positive test on the 1st, run over by a bus on the 20th and according to the figures COVID has claimed another ! Exactly, the numbers are low enough now to eliminate those who would have died anyway from whatever else they had or through accidents etc
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 19, 2021 13:49:32 GMT 1
If you’ve had a positive test within the last 28 days then no matter how you meet your maker you are added to the COVID figures ! So positive test on the 1st, run over by a bus on the 20th and according to the figures COVID has claimed another ! It'll be interesting when the new method of calculating kicks in, which considers scenarios such as the following >> www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1492www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-57242248www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/24/up-to-8700-patients-died-after-catching-covid-in-english-hospitals...where a significant minority of deaths are of people who went into hospital, covid free (you're tested on admission), because of all the regular reasons that people end up in hospital, and then contract covid whilst in hospital, and subsequently die 'with' Covid :/ There's a number of hospitals listed in this where more than a third of people who died with Covid definitely didn't have it when admitted to hospital. Shocking really. Countrywide it's a third of the deaths are covid free patients being infected in hospitals. Add in the thousands sent to care homes at the start already infected, already dying and it becomes a fucking outrage. Think about 12k specialist beds in pop up special units never used to isolate the infected, add 6k extra beds purchased in private hospital wards that would have been ideal to isolate patients and staff to deal with covid, not one was utilised. Covid did not kill 50 or 60 thousand people, the policies did and the stupid idea you can have huge hospitals and huge numbers of staff moving about and doing different roles with a virus about without it spreading hugely. We banged spoons and drew rainbows whilst the service we applauded was killing people at the behest of govt and its science. The NHS bosses and disgracefully the medical unions never asked why or made a proper stand against the policies, they were more interested in what they could get out of the manufactured deaths and made up crisis.. appalling all round.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 21, 2021 19:09:52 GMT 1
I see in the news that limited crowds are going to be allowed in to watch the Olympics, as long as they “don’t cheer or shout”
The UK scientists are bound to latch onto this when advising the government on the return of football fans I think.
Apparently other heinous crimes such as “muttering under your breath” are also under consideration.
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Post by deepc on Jun 21, 2021 19:35:30 GMT 1
We have tickets for the T20 at Headingley on the 18th July , the day before we are due to be set free - again, unless Ferguson and his cronies can justify another extension to crowds gathering in the open air.
Sell out of 18,000 which has to be cut to 4,400
YCCC have published 6 levels of priority for getting your hands on a ticket.
Level one is Yorkshire members who donated their membership fees to the club.
Am I being unfair in thinking that there will not be too many in that level ?
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Post by huddersfc on Jun 21, 2021 21:39:36 GMT 1
I see in the news that limited crowds are going to be allowed in to watch the Olympics, as long as they “don’t cheer or shout” The UK scientists are bound to latch onto this when advising the government on the return of football fans I think. Apparently other heinous crimes such as “muttering under your breath” are also under consideration. What a load of old shite that is, not being able to cheer and shout. Are they going to stitch folks mouths up when they walk in and give them little chalkboards to make communication covid secure. The UK lot dont need any help, one of them already thinks masks should stay permanently. They have already scared plenty of folk into wearing them outside in the fresh air when going for a walk.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 21, 2021 21:43:05 GMT 1
I see in the news that limited crowds are going to be allowed in to watch the Olympics, as long as they “don’t cheer or shout” The UK scientists are bound to latch onto this when advising the government on the return of football fans I think. Apparently other heinous crimes such as “muttering under your breath” are also under consideration. What a load of old shite that is, not being able to cheer and shout. Are they going to stitch folks mouths up when they walk in and give them little chalkboards to make communication covid secure. The UK lot dont need any help, one of them already thinks masks should stay permanently. They have already scared plenty of folk into wearing them outside in the fresh air when going for a walk. I’m practicing “Stand up if you love the Town” in sign language - just in case.
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Post by 28901 on Jun 21, 2021 22:12:53 GMT 1
We have tickets for the T20 at Headingley on the 18th July , the day before we are due to be set free - again, unless Ferguson and his cronies can justify another extension to crowds gathering in the open air. Sell out of 18,000 which has to be cut to 4,400 YCCC have published 6 levels of priority for getting your hands on a ticket. Level one is Yorkshire members who donated their membership fees to the club. Am I being unfair in thinking that there will not be too many in that level ? Beyond a joke. It really is.
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Post by stegs2 on Jun 22, 2021 9:41:20 GMT 1
I won’t be rushing back , at least not before 3:00 if they’re still taking the knee. Time to drop the politics I think
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Post by Champers on Jun 22, 2021 12:10:44 GMT 1
I won’t be rushing back , at least not before 3:00 if they’re still taking the knee. Time to drop the politics I think Yawn
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Jun 22, 2021 13:54:54 GMT 1
Look at Copenhagen last night after the Danish win, Budapest when Hungary are playing. Grounds filled nearly to capacity and bouncing. No reason now why we shouldn't be allowed back into stadiums without crowd limits if you've had both jabs. Wear a mask if you want to, but that should be the only stipulation.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 22, 2021 14:29:59 GMT 1
Look at Copenhagen last night after the Danish win, Budapest when Hungary are playing. Grounds filled nearly to capacity and bouncing. No reason now why we shouldn't be allowed back into stadiums without crowd limits if you've had both jabs. Wear a mask if you want to, but that should be the only stipulation. No, you must travel at least 200 miles and then dance about in the streets and in fountains whilst arseholed to be sure you are not passing on the virus. See Nichola for full details, apparently if you dont stop off at Salford you will be ok..😜😜
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jun 22, 2021 14:35:44 GMT 1
Look at Copenhagen last night after the Danish win, Budapest when Hungary are playing. Grounds filled nearly to capacity and bouncing. No reason now why we shouldn't be allowed back into stadiums without crowd limits if you've had both jabs. Wear a mask if you want to, but that should be the only stipulation. No, you must travel at least 200 miles and then dance about in the streets and in fountains whilst arseholed to be sure you are not passing on the virus. See Nichola for full details, apparently if you dont stop off at Salford you will be ok..😜😜 It’s laughable. Even the staunchest supporters of this comedy sketch must be questioning some of it, surely?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 14:40:02 GMT 1
Look at Copenhagen last night after the Danish win, Budapest when Hungary are playing. Grounds filled nearly to capacity and bouncing. No reason now why we shouldn't be allowed back into stadiums without crowd limits if you've had both jabs. Wear a mask if you want to, but that should be the only stipulation. Or also if you've not had both, or indeed any jab. Whether the person sat next to you is vaccinated or not is pretty much irrelevant to YOUR chances of catching Covid. All the vaccine is going to do is reduce symptoms. The only 'stipulation', should be, "if you've got symptoms of any air transmissible illness, be that Covid, a cold or chicken pox, then you should probably stay at home". The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching or passing it on. So its your OWN measured risk whether you attend or not. Health Services have tons of overhead unused capacity to cater for people who are going to get ill so there's no need to 'protect' them - according to yesterdays data there is approximately ONE person with Covid per hospital across the UK. Nobody wants to say what the current mechanical ventilation bed capacity is across the NHS, but the numbers occupied are currently around 1 person per six hospitals. To be honest even the peaks weren't really that bad when you look back at them- the numbers look terrible in isolation (same as the recent brief Indian did) - but when you break them down to something tangible, you can see that at the height of the worst healthcare peak in January, we had an average of about 3 people on MV per UK hospital, with about 30 people per hospital overall (and they weren't peaks that lasted very long, 10 days either side and those numbers reduce to about 1.5 and 20, another 10 days either direction and its more like 1 and 10) . Obviously not good for those affected, but that seems like the kind of numbers that our health service can and should (and DID) handle without too much fuss. What you did and do get is a lot of panic coming out of people working at that not so thick end of what is a thin wedge.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 22, 2021 14:45:25 GMT 1
No, you must travel at least 200 miles and then dance about in the streets and in fountains whilst arseholed to be sure you are not passing on the virus. See Nichola for full details, apparently if you dont stop off at Salford you will be ok..😜😜 It’s laughable. Even the staunchest supporters of this comedy sketch must be questioning some of it, surely? Not openly, that's admitting that you have been fooled for a long, long time. Fingers in ears and shouting la la la very loudly means you never have to hear you were wrong. Never wanting to ask the very obvious and tough questions and refusing to allow others to ask them has been a good tactic for them. It's been pretty much policy on the hoof made as impossible to follow as possible and picking the right dates to laud how much your policies 'worked'. When in doubt blame the public, and use 'several weeks' to cover any changes in policy so you can pick the best time to move on it go back on what you said 'several weeks ago'. Vaguer than nostra damus some of the govt experts.?
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jun 22, 2021 14:48:53 GMT 1
Look at Copenhagen last night after the Danish win, Budapest when Hungary are playing. Grounds filled nearly to capacity and bouncing. No reason now why we shouldn't be allowed back into stadiums without crowd limits if you've had both jabs. Wear a mask if you want to, but that should be the only stipulation. Or also if you've not had both, or indeed any jab. Whether the person sat next to you is vaccinated or not is pretty much irrelevant to YOUR chances of catching Covid. All the vaccine is going to do is reduce symptoms. The only 'stipulation', should be, "if you've got symptoms of any air transmissible illness, be that Covid, a cold or chicken pox, then you should probably stay at home". The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching or passing it on. So its your OWN measured risk whether you attend or not. Health Services have tons of overhead unused capacity to cater for people who are going to get ill so there's no need to 'protect' them - according to yesterdays data there is approximately ONE person with Covid per hospital across the UK. Nobody wants to say what the current mechanical ventilation bed capacity is across the NHS, but the numbers occupied are currently around 1 person per six hospitals. To be honest even the peaks weren't really that bad when you look back at them- the numbers look terrible in isolation (same as the recent brief Indian did) - but when you break them down to something tangible, you can see that at the height of the worst healthcare peak in January, we had an average of about 3 people on MV per UK hospital, with about 30 people per hospital overall (and they weren't peaks that lasted very long, 10 days either side and those numbers reduce to about 1.5 and 20, another 10 days either direction and its more like 1 and 10) . Obviously not good for those affected, but that seems like the kind of numbers that our health service can and should (and DID) handle without too much fuss. What you did and do get is a lot of panic coming out of people working at that not so thick end of what is a thin wedge. Correct, mainly a manufactured crisis. Said before with unlimited finance and resources which they had as soon as they called pandemic, you cant have a crisis. Notwithstanding the lack of readiness for one but even that is lessened when you know they knew about this virus in china in early november and decided to ACT by doing nothing at all.
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Post by keithAM11532 on Jun 22, 2021 18:00:24 GMT 1
BBC reporting that the semi final and final will have 60,000 fans in to Wembley. What is the difference between 60,000 and 90,000. has someone done some modelling to say the extra 30,000 is just simply too dangerous. Its a shambles I tell thee.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Jun 22, 2021 18:17:39 GMT 1
BBC reporting that the semi final and final will have 60,000 fans in to Wembley. What is the difference between 60,000 and 90,000. has someone done some modelling to say the extra 30,000 is just simply too dangerous. Its a shambles I tell thee. It is a shambles. I’ve not seen any responses from the powers that be to the various “trials” they’ve been supposedly carrying out over the last few weeks, the restricted crowds at the last PL games, the playoff finals. cricket, the Derby etc. I can only assume there were no problems. Quelle surprise. The inconsistency and hypocrisy around the Billy Gilmour situation between the English squad and the Scottish squad is just ridiculous and inexcusable. 60k at Wembley will not be socially distanced so just get on with it and allow the full 90k in.
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