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Post by dynastydan on Feb 3, 2021 19:42:52 GMT 1
“I got a call about half five, by that point I thought I was staying at Walsall, but I’m delighted to be here now, that it’s got over the line. “It was like, ‘you might be going here, you might be going there.’ “Then I kind of got told, ‘you never know, just keep your phone on and we’ll see what comes later on.’ “Huddersfield was the prime destination as well, but that didn’t quite work out, so I’m happy that Luton have called and I’m happy to be here. "It was flattering to get a few clubs interested now, but with everything that’s going on, with the pandemic and everything, I am very fortunate to have got my move now. "If I end up getting my chance (on Saturday) I’ll be looking forward to it and definitely be showing them what they’re missing." Fits in with Maynards version. Walsall messed us about, we pulled out, he was staying put, then Luton get him later in the day for less. Thanks, I read too much into one sentence I saw. Apologies. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 20:30:48 GMT 1
Things happen. Not everything is due to ineptitude, skullduggery, penny pinching and ambition.
We had a sniff, the clubs couldn’t agree a deal and the player ended up elsewhere. Good luck to him and hopefully the next target we fancy comes off.
No need for constant analysis, speculation and outrage/scapegoating.
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Post by mallyb on Feb 4, 2021 15:06:45 GMT 1
Things happen. Not everything is due to ineptitude, skullduggery, penny pinching and ambition. We had a sniff, the clubs couldn’t agree a deal and the player ended up elsewhere. Good luck to him and hopefully the next target we fancy comes off. No need for constant analysis, speculation and outrage/scapegoating. I agree not everything is ineptitude. However when you start to make a list, that's not unlucky it is inept. Aarons No Sponsor Not looking at a striker until the end of the window Then losing out to a club that paid less Making a bid at 10:30pm that was rejected because it left no time to bring in a replacement, who does that? Certainly not us, we would have sold, because we are inept!! Add to this the Huddersfield 100 has gone from 98 to 20odd partners in a year. Obviously other business owners aren't inspired by how we are run or what our future looks like because of how we are run. |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Feb 4, 2021 15:14:46 GMT 1
"Obviously other business owners aren't inspired by how we are run or what our future looks like because of how we are run.'
You say "obviously." . Is it obvious ? You may know more than the rest but might covid and the financial impact it has had on businesses might have been a factor in at least some of them cases- as opposed to consternation around "how we are run " ?
I don't know I'm just asking the question
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Post by mrg on Feb 4, 2021 15:58:37 GMT 1
Or maybe it could just be that Phil is a shit closer.
As much stick as DH is taking here and of course the pandemic is partly in play, we have bought £90m + wages of about £62m in yr 1 and £38/£40m (no bonus) in yr 2 and sold £55m (= 125m) of players with an income of circa £206m (£206m-125m-55m = £26m + parachute payments of is it £45m £26m and £15m over 3 years or £86m ish - DH loan figure per annum of circa £16.6m a year average).
This means there should be circa £36m on paper coming into the club in addition to outgoings without any investment capital unless I'm missing something? Maybe I'm missing this years wages? Hopefully they are in the £28m range having offloaded Mooy, Mounie, Kongolo hadderjohnny and Grant
If Carols wanted him and they attempt to up the price in the am, as someone else has said at the very least, the negotiator needs to leave the deal on the table until COP.
I'm not sure how good he is 10 goals in 25 league games in league 2, does anyone know what they were after? £2m? The amount of ex players we've got in other championship teams would make us a full squad.
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Post by Amigo on Feb 4, 2021 16:23:21 GMT 1
"Obviously other business owners aren't inspired by how we are run or what our future looks like because of how we are run.' You say "obviously." . Is it obvious ? You may know more than the rest but might covid and the financial impact it has had on businesses might have been a factor in at least some of them cases- as opposed to consternation around "how we are run " ? I don't know I'm just asking the question Nope it's not that, or the possibility some may have even unfortunately gone out of business. It's absolutely definitely because we're the worst run club in the history of football and there's no other possible reason... |
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Post by Amigo on Feb 4, 2021 16:25:05 GMT 1
Or maybe it could just be that Phil is a shit closer. As much stick as DH is taking here and of course the pandemic is partly in play, we have bought £90m + wages of about £62m in yr 1 and £38/£40m (no bonus) in yr 2 and sold £55m (= 125m) of players with an income of circa £206m (£206m-125m-55m = £26m + parachute payments of is it £45m £26m and £15m over 3 years or £86m ish - DH loan figure per annum of circa £16.6m a year average). This means there should be circa £36m on paper coming into the club in addition to outgoings without any investment capital unless I'm missing something? Maybe I'm missing this years wages? Hopefully they are in the £28m range having offloaded Mooy, Mounie, Kongolo hadderjohnny and Grant If Carols wanted him and they attempt to up the price in the am, as someone else has said at the very least, the negotiator needs to leave the deal on the table until COP. I'm not sure how good he is 10 goals in 25 league games in league 2, does anyone know what they were after? £2m? The amount of ex players we've got in other championship teams would make us a full squad. Why would Phil be in negotiations to sign a player?! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 16:40:00 GMT 1
I guess it comes down to how much the club wanted the player. Also anyone who negotiates needs to be able to walk away if the deal isn't right. I am not sure how much the club wanted to bring in a striker, I know fans did but the longer view may be to get through now, see how the youngsters come on for the rest of the season, and who is available in summer. I don't know, just surmising.
The one thing I would say is good negotiators know when to walk away but also manage to get deals done if they really want to. So maybe the club wasn't that bothered or are not that good at negotiating.
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Post by mrg on Feb 4, 2021 19:06:17 GMT 1
Or maybe it could just be that Phil is a shit closer. As much stick as DH is taking here and of course the pandemic is partly in play, we have bought £90m + wages of about £62m in yr 1 and £38/£40m (no bonus) in yr 2 and sold £55m (= 125m) of players with an income of circa £206m (£206m-125m-55m = £26m + parachute payments of is it £45m £26m and £15m over 3 years or £86m ish - DH loan figure per annum of circa £16.6m a year average). This means there should be circa £36m on paper coming into the club in addition to outgoings without any investment capital unless I'm missing something? Maybe I'm missing this years wages? Hopefully they are in the £28m range having offloaded Mooy, Mounie, Kongolo hadderjohnny and Grant If Carols wanted him and they attempt to up the price in the am, as someone else has said at the very least, the negotiator needs to leave the deal on the table until COP. I'm not sure how good he is 10 goals in 25 league games in league 2, does anyone know what they were after? £2m? The amount of ex players we've got in other championship teams would make us a full squad. Why would Phil be in negotiations to sign a player?! Why wouldn't he be? DH used to negotiate all the deals along with the director of football to make sure they weren't getting played by agents or clubs (remember Nakki Wells, Bradford saying he was going somewhere else). If Phil isn't negotiating them with Leigh Bromby I'd be very surprised. As I seem to remember Phil was going to sell Billing for a very low price and as it was the first deal he'd done in football I guess and DH stepped in and handled it and held out for the £15m. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 4, 2021 20:05:25 GMT 1
Why would Phil be in negotiations to sign a player?! Why wouldn't he be? DH used to negotiate all the deals along with the director of football to make sure they weren't getting played by agents or clubs (remember Nakki Wells, Bradford saying he was going somewhere else). If Phil isn't negotiating them with Leigh Bromby I'd be very surprised. As I seem to remember Phil was going to sell Billing for a very low price and as it was the first deal he'd done in football I guess and DH stepped in and handled it and held out for the £15m. Surely it'd be Devlin and Bromby, that's what they're paid to do. First I've heard of Hoyle stepping in to stop Billing going cheaply. |
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Post by mrg on Feb 5, 2021 9:57:32 GMT 1
Why wouldn't he be? DH used to negotiate all the deals along with the director of football to make sure they weren't getting played by agents or clubs (remember Nakki Wells, Bradford saying he was going somewhere else). If Phil isn't negotiating them with Leigh Bromby I'd be very surprised. As I seem to remember Phil was going to sell Billing for a very low price and as it was the first deal he'd done in football I guess and DH stepped in and handled it and held out for the £15m. Surely it'd be Devlin and Bromby, that's what they're paid to do. First I've heard of Hoyle stepping in to stop Billing going cheaply. Surely on big ticket items only the big boys do the talking. If they are paid over £1m each a year then maybe, but call me a control freak, if someone was buying and selling stuff in 6 and 7 figures only for me, I'd definitely be doing the 7 figure negotiating myself because the model is to buy cheap and sell high. It looks on this one as though we didn't leave the money on the table because the club thought they were being dicked about (maybe they were), but if a 23 yr old has gone to Luton instead of coming here and he turns out to be good then that's unfortunate. |
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 5, 2021 10:00:06 GMT 1
Surely it'd be Devlin and Bromby, that's what they're paid to do. First I've heard of Hoyle stepping in to stop Billing going cheaply. Surely on big ticket items only the big boys do the talking. If they are paid over £1m each a year then maybe, but call me a control freak, if someone was buying and selling stuff in 6 and 7 figures only for me, I'd definitely be doing the 7 figure negotiating myself because the model is to buy cheap and sell high. It looks on this one as though we didn't leave the money on the table because the club thought they were being dicked about (maybe they were), but if a 23 yr old has gone to Luton instead of coming here and he turns out to be good then that's unfortunate. So Phil has the club and all his other business interests to look after, Devlin is an experienced Chief Executive employed solely to run the club but Phil would jump in to conclude transfers 🤔 |
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Post by mrg on Feb 5, 2021 11:52:04 GMT 1
Surely on big ticket items only the big boys do the talking. If they are paid over £1m each a year then maybe, but call me a control freak, if someone was buying and selling stuff in 6 and 7 figures only for me, I'd definitely be doing the 7 figure negotiating myself because the model is to buy cheap and sell high. It looks on this one as though we didn't leave the money on the table because the club thought they were being dicked about (maybe they were), but if a 23 yr old has gone to Luton instead of coming here and he turns out to be good then that's unfortunate. So Phil has the club and all his other business interests to look after, Devlin is an experienced Chief Executive employed solely to run the club but Phil would jump in to conclude transfers 🤔 I've literally no idea, but I thought most of towns transfers were handled by DH and one other not a title and it now brings the question of whether that is the reason of why the club are doing quite poorly in the transfer market. Again, if he went to Luton instead of us on a different deal that says something was up with the negotiator. If the lad turns out to be crap then we haven't lost. Hopefully we can get Koroma back to where he was before Christmas, but it looks like the club need 2 or 3 defenders, possibly 2 midfielders and at least 1 striker in the summer. |
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Post by Maynardblue on Feb 5, 2021 12:02:02 GMT 1
We withdrew our offer for him - we had moved onto other targets by that stage. He didn't choose anyone over us he went to the only club that had an offer on the table - Luton.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Feb 5, 2021 12:03:08 GMT 1
I can't believe PH isn't involved in the negotiations - i.e. keep me informed of where you are up to
The big points; fees and wages he'd surely have an input on
Basic Corporate Governance would dictate that you'd want some involvement in the deal so you know the structure, who gets what (agent fees etc) and that you're happy with the shape of the deal
PH will fly out with the team for pre-season but won't book out a day to ensure he's available on transfer deadline day ... bearing in mind we'd have things happening on that day out of our control like bids for our players
I'm not saying he's the main negotiator but equally I'd be surprised if he 100% delegates this to others
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Post by mrg on Feb 5, 2021 14:20:42 GMT 1
We withdrew our offer for him - we had moved onto other targets by that stage. He didn't choose anyone over us he went to the only club that had an offer on the table - Luton. I appreciate that Maynard, its not down to the player, its the clubs negotiators. The point still stands though that the unanswered question is, did the negotiator leave the offer on the table or not? It sounds like not and that opens more questions, like if we had moved on to other targets, where are they? And why throw the baby out with the bathwater because they were asking for more? Anyone would do the same in that situation, maybe not in exactly the same way, I.e. breaking their word, but why take the offer off the table? Hopefully he's not up to much and we get Koroma back firing. |
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Post by Tinpot on Feb 5, 2021 14:57:53 GMT 1
We withdrew our offer for him - we had moved onto other targets by that stage. He didn't choose anyone over us he went to the only club that had an offer on the table - Luton. I appreciate that Maynard, its not down to the player, its the clubs negotiators. The point still stands though that the unanswered question is, did the negotiator leave the offer on the table or not? It sounds like not and that opens more questions, like if we had moved on to other targets, where are they? And why throw the baby out with the bathwater because they were asking for more? Anyone would do the same in that situation, maybe not in exactly the same way, I.e. breaking their word, but why take the offer off the table? Hopefully he's not up to much and we get Koroma back firing. Not likely to happen any time soon. www.examinerlive.co.uk/sport/football/news/huddersfield-hogg-koroma-schindler-injury-19771281"We thought it would be around four months out. I don't think he will be available to play again (this season) with the team. Maybe the last few games of the season? I hope that we can reduce this process but in my mind we have to think of the worst scenario with him". Expect that he's done for the season & anything over and above that is a bonus. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 23:46:21 GMT 1
It didn’t work out. I’d imagine half of all proposed moves collapse for one reason or another.
A bunch of blokes who’ve no idea what went on arguing about who the scapegoat should be is pretty daft.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Feb 27, 2021 19:25:17 GMT 1
Good job we deemed him not first team ready, 2 goals in 2 and got the winner today, I fucking give up
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 27, 2021 19:33:12 GMT 1
The transfer committee need to hang their heads.
Luton managed to do the deal in afew hours that we fucked around for days attempting & for less money than we were offering.
Walked away from the deal on the morning of deadline day then spent the last few hours that day looking like the complete amateurs the club have become renowned for in the transfer market.
Well done to all involved 👏
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Post by philstarbuckscoffee on Feb 28, 2021 10:11:06 GMT 1
The transfer committee need to hang their heads. Luton managed to do the deal in afew hours that we fucked around for days attempting & for less money than we were offering. Walked away from the deal on the morning of deadline day then spent the last few hours that day looking like the complete amateurs the club have become renowned for in the transfer market. Well done to all involved 👏 Only seen highlights on Quest but he looks a good signing for them. Huge and capable in the air from crosses and linked up well for an assist yesterday. If we do go down this year then missing out on him and gambling getting shot of Hamer to save a few quid in the Hope Schofield was enough could be the two key decisions that have sent us down. |
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Post by shalamov on Feb 28, 2021 12:01:58 GMT 1
ffs! Town, this looks like we've an absolute gem slip through our hands. So fucking ham-fisted - an amateur setup.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Feb 28, 2021 20:36:57 GMT 1
But, but, but we tried..
Not hard enough, Phil!
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Post by Up the Duff. on Feb 28, 2021 23:12:23 GMT 1
But COVID...,
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Post by chinaski on Mar 1, 2021 10:09:18 GMT 1
This fiasco one of many embarrassing indications of incompetency at the top.
This kind of thing just didn’t happen when DH was in charge - unless he found it easier to brush it under the carpet.
Devlin comes across as thick as two short planks on every video interview so it doesn’t surprise me one bit that we keep making clowns out of ourselves.
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Post by Tiro on Mar 2, 2021 13:39:56 GMT 1
Seriously guys, give it a fucking rest - it's tedious. Escpecially without knowing the facts (some of them weel documented on here). It was nothing to do with finaces, in fact, Walsall rolled the dice and got a much shittier deal than we offered (as did the player). Diakhaby being a prick didnt help either.
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Post by artysid on Mar 2, 2021 23:17:07 GMT 1
Seriously guys, give it a fucking rest - it's tedious. Escpecially without knowing the facts (some of them weel documented on here). It was nothing to do with finaces, in fact, Walsall rolled the dice and got a much shittier deal than we offered (as did the player). Diakhaby being a prick didnt help either. What was Diakhaby's role? |
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Post by upthetown on Mar 3, 2021 8:22:54 GMT 1
Seriously guys, give it a fucking rest - it's tedious. Escpecially without knowing the facts (some of them weel documented on here). It was nothing to do with finaces, in fact, Walsall rolled the dice and got a much shittier deal than we offered (as did the player). Diakhaby being a prick didnt help either. What was Diakhaby's role? Sub usually |
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Post by cissystrutt74 on Mar 3, 2021 10:29:24 GMT 1
Seriously guys, give it a fucking rest - it's tedious. Escpecially without knowing the facts (some of them weel documented on here). It was nothing to do with finaces, in fact, Walsall rolled the dice and got a much shittier deal than we offered (as did the player). Diakhaby being a prick didnt help either. What was Diakhaby's role? None playing wage taker? |
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Post by Lopez on Mar 3, 2021 10:46:32 GMT 1
Seriously guys, give it a fucking rest - it's tedious. Escpecially without knowing the facts (some of them weel documented on here). It was nothing to do with finaces, in fact, Walsall rolled the dice and got a much shittier deal than we offered (as did the player). Diakhaby being a prick didnt help either. What was Diakhaby's role? Back end of the donkey in the club panto? |
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