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Post by alexdire on Feb 16, 2021 23:45:28 GMT 1
QPR are the worst team I've seen after us. Although they are above us they could drop. Clutching at straws though. They were poor however they did something about it and went and loaned a proven striker in Charlie Austin who is doing the business for them I'd missed that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 23:48:50 GMT 1
How could any pro footballer miss that Boothy, Shef Wednesday, 2 yards out, skied it! Never seen a pro footballer?
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 16, 2021 23:53:05 GMT 1
Don't worry lads & lasses, there's plenty on here told us we couldn't be dragged into a relegation fight, we aren't going up or down...
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Post by Ibiza Town on Feb 17, 2021 0:12:02 GMT 1
Not surprisingly we looked stronger when the midgets went off. Not sure that term is acceptable anymore.
Lets call them our 'mascots'
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Post by wigster on Feb 17, 2021 0:16:47 GMT 1
Fine with Hoyle taking his money back Anyone on here would have done the same - especially given his situation But he can’t then expect to be remembered as a saint - he chose himself over the fans and in doing so ruined his reputation His choice He's not a sinner for taking back his money over a prolonged period. His reputation should be based on where he took the club and the ride we all went on. But hey ho, you can't educate pork...not necessarily yourself You are wrong Mids - Hoyle's reputation should be based on where the club is when he left. It really should. Don't just look at that short "ride" you mention, look at the table tonight, look at our financial position, look at the contracts those wasters were given - a lot of them weren't there ?, look at the majority of supporters feelings' towards our club, look at the abject amateurish way we left the Premier league - an embarrassment,look at what happened to the parachute payments, look at the tens and tens of millions wasted etc etc, THEN talk about the reputation he leaves. Where he took us is certainly part of it, where he left us is unfortunately so much more important.
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Post by jasrick on Feb 17, 2021 0:29:24 GMT 1
Don't worry lads & lasses, there's plenty on here told us we couldn't be dragged into a relegation fight, we aren't going up or down... I was one of the ones that made such a comment and I’d stand by that it was valid at the time. I didn’t foresee some of these key injuries we’ve suffered. The loss of Eiting, Koroma and multiple centre backs has severely weakened our first 11. There seemed to be a general feeling on here that Eiting wasn’t that important when we lost him. I think results since show how integral he was to this team. The January transfer window came at the right time to address these holes in our squad. Sadly, it doesn’t look like we’ve managed to.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 17, 2021 0:32:38 GMT 1
I want Town to win, mainly to lighten the mood on here...
When the dust settles, perhaps the stats will back up that, for some reason we struggle without a crowd?
As for those wanting the Chairman out and having the regular pop at Hoyle, might be worth suggesting who you would want to come in to replace the current ownership of the club?
If folk want success bought by wealth, there's plenty of clubs elsewhere that can grant you that wish.
For me, this is part of the mix of joy and utter frustration of supporting a great club like Town. We had a day in the sunshine and I'm sure that'll come again, sooner than some on here might think as well.
The promotion to the PL proved how important momentum is in football. We struggled to maintain it and we're now a club with players very short on confidence. That then breeds a lack of composure because the few chances created get snatched at...
A historical lack of goals in recent seasons doesn't help any of that. Who knows, if we were to get relegated, would that offer an opportunity to recharge things?
We've been needing to break this cycle for a bit now, but I think we probably will be ok this season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 0:34:19 GMT 1
Hoyle sucked parachute payment money out of the club when surely knowing it was vital for rebuilding . Thats the main reason we have a pile of shite Not just that, but continued to take his money back, even after the pandemic hit when the club's income was hit massively, both from ticket sales but also because the parachute money was cut. Evidence please?
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Post by aca00js on Feb 17, 2021 0:34:59 GMT 1
Don't worry lads & lasses, there's plenty on here told us we couldn't be dragged into a relegation fight, we aren't going up or down... Shame the club also thought that and instead focused on deals for the future
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Feb 17, 2021 0:35:04 GMT 1
Don't worry lads & lasses, there's plenty on here told us we couldn't be dragged into a relegation fight, we aren't going up or down... I was one of the ones that made such a comment and I’d stand by that it was valid at the time. I didn’t foresee some of these key injuries we’ve suffered. The loss of Eiting, Koroma and multiple centre backs has severely weakened our first 11. There seemed to be a general feeling on here that Eiting wasn’t that important when we lost him. I think results since show how integral he was to this team. The January transfer window came at the right time to address these holes in our squad. Sadly, it doesn’t look like we’ve managed to. Fair play for speaking up mate, I personally thought we'd be in a relegation battle from day 1 of the season, as my posts will back up... my post here was more about the still relatively high numbers saying that we'd be safe maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 0:50:23 GMT 1
He's not a sinner for taking back his money over a prolonged period. His reputation should be based on where he took the club and the ride we all went on. But hey ho, you can't educate pork...not necessarily yourself You are wrong Mids - Hoyle's reputation should be based on where the club is when he left. It really should. Don't just look at that short "ride" you mention, look at the table tonight, look at our financial position, look at the contracts those wasters were given - a lot of them weren't there ?, look at the majority of supporters feelings' towards our club, look at the abject amateurish way we left the Premier league - an embarrassment,look at what happened to the parachute payments, look at the tens and tens of millions wasted etc etc, THEN talk about the reputation he leaves. Where he took us is certainly part of it, where he left us is unfortunately so much more important. If he had left, he hasn't, it is far higher up the league, far better financed, far better stadium ownership & far better facilities.
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Post by detox on Feb 17, 2021 1:14:56 GMT 1
Some of out football reminded me of my Sunday league days... I've never seen such a ramshackle team at this level. There's so much wrong I don't think Carlos knows where to start...
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Post by Stiggy on Feb 17, 2021 1:45:09 GMT 1
Back to basics. We need to cut out the comical errors and stop leaking soft goals. Getting some of injured back fit ASAP is a massive priority as this lot will take us down no doubt about it.
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Post by willo on Feb 17, 2021 2:02:02 GMT 1
Don't worry lads & lasses, there's plenty on here told us we couldn't be dragged into a relegation fight, we aren't going up or down... I was one of the ones that made such a comment and I’d stand by that it was valid at the time. I didn’t foresee some of these key injuries we’ve suffered. The loss of Eiting, Koroma and multiple centre backs has severely weakened our first 11. There seemed to be a general feeling on here that Eiting wasn’t that important when we lost him. I think results since show how integral he was to this team. The January transfer window came at the right time to address these holes in our squad. Sadly, it doesn’t look like we’ve managed to. We didn’t manage to? 😆 We barely made any attempt to!
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Post by galphamer74 on Feb 17, 2021 7:58:25 GMT 1
I want Town to win, mainly to lighten the mood on here... When the dust settles, perhaps the stats will back up that, for some reason we struggle without a crowd? As for those wanting the Chairman out and having the regular pop at Hoyle, might be worth suggesting who you would want to come in to replace the current ownership of the club? If folk want success bought by wealth, there's plenty of clubs elsewhere that can grant you that wish. For me, this is part of the mix of joy and utter frustration of supporting a great club like Town. We had a day in the sunshine and I'm sure that'll come again, sooner than some on here might think as well. The promotion to the PL proved how important momentum is in football. We struggled to maintain it and we're now a club with players very short on confidence. That then breeds a lack of composure because the few chances created get snatched at... A historical lack of goals in recent seasons doesn't help any of that. Who knows, if we were to get relegated, would that offer an opportunity to recharge things? We've been needing to break this cycle for a bit now, but I think we probably will be ok this season. How can you be happy with having two people at the helm who care more about their pockets than the club? Worst still, two people who have made a specific point of describing themselves as supporters of the club they are basically running into the ground.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 17, 2021 8:10:12 GMT 1
I want Town to win, mainly to lighten the mood on here... When the dust settles, perhaps the stats will back up that, for some reason we struggle without a crowd? As for those wanting the Chairman out and having the regular pop at Hoyle, might be worth suggesting who you would want to come in to replace the current ownership of the club? If folk want success bought by wealth, there's plenty of clubs elsewhere that can grant you that wish. For me, this is part of the mix of joy and utter frustration of supporting a great club like Town. We had a day in the sunshine and I'm sure that'll come again, sooner than some on here might think as well. The promotion to the PL proved how important momentum is in football. We struggled to maintain it and we're now a club with players very short on confidence. That then breeds a lack of composure because the few chances created get snatched at... A historical lack of goals in recent seasons doesn't help any of that. Who knows, if we were to get relegated, would that offer an opportunity to recharge things? We've been needing to break this cycle for a bit now, but I think we probably will be ok this season. How can you be happy with having two people at the helm who care more about their pockets than the club? Worst still, two people who have made a specific point of describing themselves as supporters of the club they are basically running into the ground. Make yourself a banner and get down to Canalside then. It sounds like it'll make you feel better. As suggested, who would be your alternative Chairperson, who no doubt you would be making another banner for in due course?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Feb 17, 2021 8:16:47 GMT 1
How can you be happy with having two people at the helm who care more about their pockets than the club? Worst still, two people who have made a specific point of describing themselves as supporters of the club they are basically running into the ground. Make yourself a banner and get down to Canalside then. It sounds like it'll make you feel better. As suggested, who would be your alternative Chairperson, who no doubt you would be making another banner for in due course? To be fair mate just because he doesn't approve of the current regime doesn't mean he has the financial wherewithal to do the job himself. It's like when people protest about governments it doesn't mean that the protesters could do a better job nor do they pluck one from the crowd and let them have a bash at running the country do they? There is nothing wrong with speaking out against something if you think it's being done incorrectly doesn't mean they need to take over. I agree there are a lot of outlandish statements on here about what's gone wrong, what's going wrong and where the club is heading some of it has substance, some of it not but one thing we can all I agree on is how the bloody hell did we get to this point? And what are the club going to do about it?
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Feb 17, 2021 8:22:14 GMT 1
All those clubs have ambition. Sadly we dont. When we are relegated there will be no statements about getting straight back up it will all be about consolidating We have ambition.... to be a league one club. that is the only explanation for the current state of affairs.
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Post by midge on Feb 17, 2021 8:33:24 GMT 1
Don't worry lads & lasses, there's plenty on here told us we couldn't be dragged into a relegation fight, we aren't going up or down... I think I may have been one of those also! If I didn’t post it on here, I shared that view! Maybe not couldn’t, but I didn’t think we would! Here’s the thing though, we are not relegated yet either!! Things look bleak at the moment. The injuries worry me and there has to be a question around the training methods when we sign new players and they get muscle injuries really quickly. However, I haven’t given up. I’ve seen enough in some games to believe that we can stay up and I think we will. might be wrong and I’m going against the popular view but that’s what I think! I’ll even commit not to coming on here if I am right and saying ‘I told you so’ as so many seem to love to do!
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 17, 2021 8:33:33 GMT 1
Hoyle will be remembered as a typical snake oil salesman.
Had his fun lauding it in the media, pretending to be every fan’s best mate and rubbing shoulders with the big boys before sloping off and quietly overseeing our free fall to re-line his pockets.
He shafted the Rec Club members and gifted himself a huge are of real estate, leaving the club in hoc to him in perpetuity. If we go down this season we’ll be exactly where we were when he took over.
His lasting achievement will be his legacy and it will consist of jack shit. The irony being that Ken Davy will have achieved more than him as chairman, being the only one to leave us in a higher position than he inherited since Terry Fisher. Quite a turnaround.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2021 8:56:01 GMT 1
Don't worry lads & lasses, there's plenty on here told us we couldn't be dragged into a relegation fight, we aren't going up or down... I was one of the ones that made such a comment and I’d stand by that it was valid at the time. I didn’t foresee some of these key injuries we’ve suffered. The loss of Eiting, Koroma and multiple centre backs has severely weakened our first 11. There seemed to be a general feeling on here that Eiting wasn’t that important when we lost him. I think results since show how integral he was to this team. The January transfer window came at the right time to address these holes in our squad. Sadly, it doesn’t look like we’ve managed to. I was also one who thought, 8-10 games ago, we wouldn’t go up or down, and we’d settle into midtable mediocrity. Happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong. However, I’m not so happy that the reason I was wrong is because we’ve tumbled down the table, rather than climb up it. We can analyse individual games until the cows come home, but let’s see it for what it is: - 5 clear of 23rd, having played a game more - 5 clear of 22nd, having played a game more - 4 clear of 21st, having played two games more - 2 clear of 20th, having played a game more Away from the table: - no league win since 29/12/20 - 7 losses out of the last 9 in all competitions - 17 goals conceded in those 9 games, 9 goals scored. - Sarr, a centre back, is our most creative player. We are in deep shit. I can’t be bothered for the repetitive discussion of where the blame lies. To be honest, it’s an amalgamation of quite a few people. I don’t mind losing to Swansea and Preston in 2 of our next 3 games. But, that Derby game sandwiched between them, is a must-win. If you don’t think it’s a must-win, I wish I had your optimism. Come on Town.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 17, 2021 9:06:35 GMT 1
Hoyle will be remembered as a typical snake oil salesman. Had his fun lauding it in the media, pretending to be every fan’s best mate and rubbing shoulders with the big boys before sloping off and quietly overseeing our free fall to re-line his pockets. He shafted the Rec Club members and gifted himself a huge are of real estate, leaving the club in hoc to him in perpetuity. If we go down this season we’ll be exactly where we were when he took over. His lasting achievement will be his legacy and it will consist of jack shit. The irony being that Ken Davy will have achieved more than him as chairman, being the only one to leave us in a higher position than he inherited since Terry Fisher. Quite a turnaround. Where did you drink before the Rec club? Is he building houses on Canalside? Maybe in years to come he'll be gifting that place to the club. Or maybe he will evict Town and build loads of houses eh.... Things come and go, not your bitterness it would seem? Does Hoyle get any credit for generating the charitable side of things? I think he did an OK job, but at the time he was getting the plaudits it was always going to end in tears for some supporters. I can't recall any or many football club Chairmen who have been set on a pedestal, Hoyle will be no different because as supporters we reminisce a out yrs gone by, but the sceptical side of our nature tends to be reserved for the here & now.
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Post by Mecha Corte on Feb 17, 2021 9:40:09 GMT 1
I’ve just watched an interview on BBC Breakfast telly with Captain Tom’s family - his daughter holding back tears explained that at the height of his new found fame, while fundraising £Millions for the NHS in amongst all the praise and good wishes was also abuse, bile and hatred, aimed at a 100 year old war veteran for his efforts She said the family chose to NOT make him aware of any of it, how do you try and explain it to a man of his age ? The reason I’ve mentioned it, obviously lots of high profile footballers are subject to it at the moment, what chance has the owner of our football club got, when he’s seen by some as destroying the club for personal gain. None of us, even the happiest clapper are pleased with the way things are going right now, but whatever your views on the causes perhaps take a minute to read through and reflect before posting.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Feb 17, 2021 9:52:06 GMT 1
He's not a sinner for taking back his money over a prolonged period. His reputation should be based on where he took the club and the ride we all went on. But hey ho, you can't educate pork...not necessarily yourself You are wrong Mids - Hoyle's reputation should be based on where the club is when he left. It really should. Don't just look at that short "ride" you mention, look at the table tonight, look at our financial position, look at the contracts those wasters were given - a lot of them weren't there ?, look at the majority of supporters feelings' towards our club, look at the abject amateurish way we left the Premier league - an embarrassment,look at what happened to the parachute payments, look at the tens and tens of millions wasted etc etc, THEN talk about the reputation he leaves. Where he took us is certainly part of it, where he left us is unfortunately so much more important. The decline really kicked in when he was ill. He was in ICU for a long time and the road back from pancreatitis is not a quick or easy one. We are great at accepting someone’s money and time, both given without any guarantees of repayment, but as soon as things aren’t so good the knives come out. Mistakes were made but we were hardly the first promoted club to make them, and a lot of ‘bigger’ clubs have as well. Phil took over on request as Dean wasn’t well enough to continue. Why some people expect him to pump millions of his own money in I really don’t know. Most businesses are built on loans and reinvesting profits, not in somebody with bottomless pockets Personally I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own this club. Many of the comments made about both these guys on here are a disgrace and, for me, should be challenged. If I were Phil I would look for someone to offload the club onto and once things return to some form of normality he may do that. Earlier this season it looked like CC was turning us around. The long term injuries have been a huge problem, and we should done some better business, but if we had managed to keep a decent balance of wins and loses we wouldn’t have all this crap thrown at the owners. We may go down and if we do then it will be Carlos building us back from Div 1, not ideal but we have been in worse places. It is just a football club.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Feb 17, 2021 9:52:58 GMT 1
I’ve just watched an interview on BBC Breakfast telly with Captain Tom’s family - his daughter holding back tears explained that at the height of his new found fame, while fundraising £Millions for the NHS in amongst all the praise and good wishes was also abuse, bile and hatred, aimed at a 100 year old war veteran for his efforts ??? She said the family chose to NOT make him aware of any of it, how do you try and explain it to a man of his age ? The reason I’ve mentioned it, obviously lots of high profile footballers are subject to it at the moment, what chance has the owner of our football club got, when he’s seen by some as destroying the club for personal gain. None of us, even the happiest clapper are pleased with the way things are going right now, but whatever your views on the causes perhaps take a minute to read through and reflect before posting.Therein lies the problem with what we can thank social media for. It puts a means of communications into the hands of people, who previously would have just spouted off to a couple of mates. I think we'll look back and see it as a poison in the long run. Whoever owns social media has more influence than the likes of Murdoch & co. Anyway, onwards & upwards, one game at a time...
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Post by galphamer74 on Feb 17, 2021 9:56:23 GMT 1
How can you be happy with having two people at the helm who care more about their pockets than the club? Worst still, two people who have made a specific point of describing themselves as supporters of the club they are basically running into the ground. Make yourself a banner and get down to Canalside then. It sounds like it'll make you feel better. As suggested, who would be your alternative Chairperson, who no doubt you would be making another banner for in due course? That’s a pretty childish argument. I don’t like Boris Johnson; should I run for PM?! I’ll say it again, if you’re happy with the current shit show fair enough. Many Town fans aren’t. Supporting a football club is a passionate thing. I just don’t understand how two supposed supporters who have the absolute privilege of owning the club we love can run it to line their pockets and serve their egos.
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Post by Teddington Ted on Feb 17, 2021 9:58:17 GMT 1
All those sticking up for Hoyle need to remember the bile he fomented against Davy, the ‘lime green army’ bollocks he helped unleash when Davy wanted the money he’d invested back. The jackboot army of delusional ‘pole suckers’ he was happy to see causing havoc, publishing private email addresses etc. Exactly the same process is going on now but apparently Hoyle is beyond reproach.
It’s hypocritical bullshit. Hoyle himself set out the template for how we should act at an owner wanting their own funds back from the club.
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Post by Big Ern on Feb 17, 2021 10:09:48 GMT 1
You are wrong Mids - Hoyle's reputation should be based on where the club is when he left. It really should. Don't just look at that short "ride" you mention, look at the table tonight, look at our financial position, look at the contracts those wasters were given - a lot of them weren't there ?, look at the majority of supporters feelings' towards our club, look at the abject amateurish way we left the Premier league - an embarrassment,look at what happened to the parachute payments, look at the tens and tens of millions wasted etc etc, THEN talk about the reputation he leaves. Where he took us is certainly part of it, where he left us is unfortunately so much more important. The decline really kicked in when he was ill. He was in ICU for a long time and the road back from pancreatitis is not a quick or easy one. We are great at accepting someone’s money and time, both given without any guarantees of repayment, but as soon as things aren’t so good the knives come out. Mistakes were made but we were hardly the first promoted club to make them, and a lot of ‘bigger’ clubs have as well. Phil took over on request as Dean wasn’t well enough to continue. Why some people expect him to pump millions of his own money in I really don’t know. Most businesses are built on loans and reinvesting profits, not in somebody with bottomless pockets Personally I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own this club. Many of the comments made about both these guys on here are a disgrace and, for me, should be challenged. If I were Phil I would look for someone to offload the club onto and once things return to some form of normality he may do that. Earlier this season it looked like CC was turning us around. The long term injuries have been a huge problem, and we should done some better business, but if we had managed to keep a decent balance of wins and loses we wouldn’t have all this crap thrown at the owners. We may go down and if we do then it will be Carlos building us back from Div 1, not ideal but we have been in worse places. It is just a football club. Why would anyone want to own any club? Why would a billionaire want to own Barnsley or Brentford? There are always folks wanting to buy football clubs, it's good for their ego. Mark my words, Hoyle will get his money back, Phil will sell the club and make a profit and a new owner will come in. Its happened since 1908, it wont stop now.
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Feb 17, 2021 10:11:17 GMT 1
All those sticking up for Hoyle need to remember the bile he fomented against Davy, the ‘lime green army’ bollocks he helped unleash when Davy wanted the money he’d invested back. The jackboot army of delusional ‘pole suckers’ he was happy to see causing havoc, publishing private email addresses etc. Exactly the same process is going on now but apparently Hoyle is beyond reproach. It’s hypocritical bullshit. Hoyle himself set out the template for how we should act at an owner wanting their own funds back from the club. I got a fair bit of stick for saying Davy was entitled to that £2m as he rescued the club from oblivion when no one else would and he didn’t do so as a fan but to protect the Giants. He never pretended it was anything other than a commercial transaction and atleast that was honest. I never like those people that kiss the badge as we all have to do what’s right for us and our family but I hate the pretence that it’s some honourable deed
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Post by bogart on Feb 17, 2021 10:26:22 GMT 1
“Kieran is in my thoughts if we want to play with two strikers.” Why the fuck is Campbell, one of if not the worst players on the pitch, seemingly undroppable? Carlos really baffling me with this one, starting to doubt him a little. Undroppable as is O'Brien
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