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Post by hthp on Mar 2, 2023 11:16:24 GMT 1
Jack Hunt was a wanker.
He took to Twitter to slag off the fans and call them "helmets" and other names. He didn't want to be here and pushed for a move.
But yeah, let's blame Dean Hoyle for that one.
Hoyle has made plenty of mistakes, but let's stop blaming him for literally everything, it's fucking boring.
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Post by hthp on Mar 2, 2023 11:18:40 GMT 1
Only about 4 fans believed him the season before too when everyone else was saying otherwise! I dont remember anyone predicting the season would go the way it has back at the start, even the most consistently pessimistic buggers on here. Everyone, Hoyle included, would have thought we were in a far better position as a squad than being in the bottom 3 all season. When Jack Hunt left almost everyone would have predicted a season of struggle with or without him.. because that was back in the days when Town doing that wasnt 'unimmaginable', but just what we tended to do. Touched a nerve have I? Go back to the eve of the first game of the season and plenty and myself included saw that squad as a very poor squad and you know it. That’s not hindsight. Not sure  you’re going on about with Jack Hunt, I’ve literally defended Hoyle on the Jack Hunt situation. Jacks behaviour at Town was a disgrace and when he asked to come back Hoyle rightly said no. The upshot at the time was that we actually had a good enough squad to turn down Jack. A lot of Town fans were saying otherwise, some were even claiming that the likes of Will Boyle were "great signings"  I expressed my concern about us signing lots of freebies and ex players, but was told to shut up. Anyone that knows the slightest thing about football knew that we were going into the season dreadfully underprepared, but as we know, the majority of football fans know nowt about the game. |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 2, 2023 11:22:19 GMT 1
Touched a nerve have I? Go back to the eve of the first game of the season and plenty and myself included saw that squad as a very poor squad and you know it. That’s not hindsight. Not sure you’re going on about with Jack Hunt, I’ve literally defended Hoyle on the Jack Hunt situation. Jacks behaviour at Town was a disgrace and when he asked to come back Hoyle rightly said no. The upshot at the time was that we actually had a good enough squad to turn down Jack. A lot of Town fans were saying otherwise, some were even claiming that the likes of Will Boyle were "great signings" I expressed my concern about us signing lots of freebies and ex players, but was told to shut up. Anyone that knows the slightest thing about football knew that we were going into the season dreadfully underprepared, but as we know, the majority of football fans know nowt about the game. Our business was terrible, virtually everyone but a handful of fans said otherwise. The whole summer was a shit show, our signings coming in didn’t even come close to what was going out. Even the appointment of Schofield, it was all terrible. I don’t think to say majority of football fans know nowt, I think a lot do. Before a ball was kicked, concerns were raised from all sections of the fan base. |
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Post by krtek on Mar 2, 2023 11:25:13 GMT 1
there is a German chess term "zugzwang" that seems an appropriate description of O'Brien's unfortunate career purgatory. You've zugzwanged yer'sen lad!
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Post by hthp on Mar 2, 2023 11:26:34 GMT 1
A lot of Town fans were saying otherwise, some were even claiming that the likes of Will Boyle were "great signings" I expressed my concern about us signing lots of freebies and ex players, but was told to shut up. Anyone that knows the slightest thing about football knew that we were going into the season dreadfully underprepared, but as we know, the majority of football fans know nowt about the game. Our business was terrible, virtually everyone but a handful of fans said otherwise. The whole summer was a shit show, our signings coming in didn’t even come close to what was going out. Even the appointment of Schofield, it was all terrible. I don’t think to say majority of football fans know nowt, I think a lot do. Before a ball was kicked, concerns were raised from all sections of the fan base. The fact that we signed Will Boyle in the summer and then tried to offload him in the same transfer window sums the whole thing up. |
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Post by mosher on Mar 2, 2023 11:31:23 GMT 1
there is a German chess term "zugzwang" that seems an appropriate description of O'Brien's unfortunate career purgatory. You've zugzwanged yer'sen lad! For those who don't understand German or play chess, it doesn't have an exact direct translation, a bit like zeitgeist and such. It means "tight spot" as in you've got yourself into a tight spot. Love the German language, has some really weird sayings that don't translate properly or directly  |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 2, 2023 11:38:01 GMT 1
Touched a nerve have I? Go back to the eve of the first game of the season and plenty and myself included saw that squad as a very poor squad and you know it. That’s not hindsight. Not sure you’re going on about with Jack Hunt, I’ve literally defended Hoyle on the Jack Hunt situation. Jacks behaviour at Town was a disgrace and when he asked to come back Hoyle rightly said no. The upshot at the time was that we actually had a good enough squad to turn down Jack. A lot of Town fans were saying otherwise, some were even claiming that the likes of Will Boyle were "great signings" I expressed my concern about us signing lots of freebies and ex players, but was told to shut up. Anyone that knows the slightest thing about football knew that we were going into the season dreadfully underprepared, but as we know, the majority of football fans know nowt about the game. On a par with Naby Sarr, according to some on here....  And let's not even get started on those who think that Rudoni is better than O'Brien |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2023 11:44:35 GMT 1
Only about 4 fans believed him the season before too when everyone else was saying otherwise! I dont remember anyone predicting the season would go the way it has back at the start, even the most consistently pessimistic buggers on here. Everyone, Hoyle included, would have thought we were in a far better position as a squad than being in the bottom 3 all season. When Jack Hunt left almost everyone would have predicted a season of struggle with or without him.. because that was back in the days when Town doing that wasnt 'unimmaginable', but just what we tended to do. Touched a nerve have I? Go back to the eve of the first game of the season and plenty and myself included saw that squad as a very poor squad and you know it. That’s not hindsight. Not sure you’re going on about with Jack Hunt, I’ve literally defended Hoyle on the Jack Hunt situation. Jacks behaviour at Town was a disgrace and when he asked to come back Hoyle rightly said no. The upshot at the time was that we actually had a good enough squad to turn down Jack. People thought we wouldn't have a season like last season but I dont recall anyone saying wed be fighting against relegation. But it suits the narrative now to imply thats what Hoyle should have known. You said this about Hunt- 'The Jack Hunt situation was completely different and fully supported Hoyle back the and still do. Plus we were in a far better position as a squad unlike at the start of the season when Hoyle came out and claimed we had a good squad and manager, only him and about 4 fans believed in that when everyone else was saying otherwise. Hunt left at the start of 13/14 season...we'd just avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth the previous season in that game v Barnsley. We were down with 10 minutes to go! Yet that was a 'far better position as a squad and manager' than at the start of this season?? |
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Post by hthp on Mar 2, 2023 11:49:16 GMT 1
Touched a nerve have I? Go back to the eve of the first game of the season and plenty and myself included saw that squad as a very poor squad and you know it. That’s not hindsight. Not sure you’re going on about with Jack Hunt, I’ve literally defended Hoyle on the Jack Hunt situation. Jacks behaviour at Town was a disgrace and when he asked to come back Hoyle rightly said no. The upshot at the time was that we actually had a good enough squad to turn down Jack. People thought we wouldn't have a season like last season but I dont recall anyone saying wed be fighting against relegation. But it suits the narrative now to imply thats what Hoyle should have known. You said this about Hunt- 'The Jack Hunt situation was completely different and fully supported Hoyle back the and still do. Plus we were in a far better position as a squad unlike at the start of the season when Hoyle came out and claimed we had a good squad and manager, only him and about 4 fans believed in that when everyone else was saying otherwise. Hunt left at the start of 13/14 season...we'd just avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth the previous season in that game v Barnsley. We were down with 10 minutes to go! Yet that was a 'far better position as a squad and manager' than at the start of this season?? I said we'd struggle. I genuinely laughed out loud when you said after the play-offs that we'd be challenging for automatic promotion this season. |
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Post by hthp on Mar 2, 2023 11:50:11 GMT 1
A lot of Town fans were saying otherwise, some were even claiming that the likes of Will Boyle were "great signings" I expressed my concern about us signing lots of freebies and ex players, but was told to shut up. Anyone that knows the slightest thing about football knew that we were going into the season dreadfully underprepared, but as we know, the majority of football fans know nowt about the game. On a par with Naby Sarr, according to some on here.... And let's not even get started on those who think that Rudoni is better than O'Brien Probably the same ones that reckoned Russell was world class and a future England International. |
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Post by ben1987 on Mar 2, 2023 11:51:09 GMT 1
Touched a nerve have I? Go back to the eve of the first game of the season and plenty and myself included saw that squad as a very poor squad and you know it. That’s not hindsight. Not sure you’re going on about with Jack Hunt, I’ve literally defended Hoyle on the Jack Hunt situation. Jacks behaviour at Town was a disgrace and when he asked to come back Hoyle rightly said no. The upshot at the time was that we actually had a good enough squad to turn down Jack. People thought we wouldn't have a season like last season but I dont recall anyone saying wed be fighting against relegation. But it suits the narrative now to imply thats what Hoyle should have known. You said this about Hunt- 'The Jack Hunt situation was completely different and fully supported Hoyle back the and still do. Plus we were in a far better position as a squad unlike at the start of the season when Hoyle came out and claimed we had a good squad and manager, only him and about 4 fans believed in that when everyone else was saying otherwise. Hunt left at the start of 13/14 season...we'd just avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth the previous season in that game v Barnsley. We were down with 10 minutes to go! Yet that was a 'far better position as a squad and manager' than at the start of this season?? You need to reread my post. I was referring to when Jack Hunt asked to come back, not when he left. |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 2, 2023 11:51:50 GMT 1
Touched a nerve have I? Go back to the eve of the first game of the season and plenty and myself included saw that squad as a very poor squad and you know it. That’s not hindsight. Not sure you’re going on about with Jack Hunt, I’ve literally defended Hoyle on the Jack Hunt situation. Jacks behaviour at Town was a disgrace and when he asked to come back Hoyle rightly said no. The upshot at the time was that we actually had a good enough squad to turn down Jack. People thought we wouldn't have a season like last season but I dont recall anyone saying wed be fighting against relegation. But it suits the narrative now to imply thats what Hoyle should have known. You said this about Hunt- 'The Jack Hunt situation was completely different and fully supported Hoyle back the and still do. Plus we were in a far better position as a squad unlike at the start of the season when Hoyle came out and claimed we had a good squad and manager, only him and about 4 fans believed in that when everyone else was saying otherwise. Hunt left at the start of 13/14 season...we'd just avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth the previous season in that game v Barnsley. We were down with 10 minutes to go! Yet that was a 'far better position as a squad and manager' than at the start of this season?? The squad at the start of the 2013/14 season: 1 GK England ENG Alex Smithies 2 DF England ENG Calum Woods 3 DF Scotland SCO Paul Dixon 4 MF Northern Ireland NIR Oliver Norwood 5 DF England ENG Peter Clarke (Captain) 6 MF England ENG Jonathan Hogg 7 MF Republic of Ireland IRL Sean Scannell 8 MF England ENG Adam Clayton 9 FW England ENG James Vaughan 10 MF England ENG Oscar Gobern 11 MF England ENG Danny Ward 12 MF England ENG Adam Hammill 13 GK England ENG Ian Bennett 14 FW England ENG Jon Stead 15 DF Scotland SCO Murray Wallace 16 MF England ENG Keith Southern 17 FW Northern Ireland NIR Martin Paterson 19 FW Spain ESP Cristian López 20 MF England ENG Chris Atkinson (on loan at Tranmere Rovers) 21 FW England ENG Kallum Higginbotham 22 MF England ENG Anton Robinson 25 DF Republic of Ireland IRL Jake Carroll 26 FW England ENG Daniel Carr 27 DF England ENG Tommy Smith 28 FW England ENG Jimmy Spencer 29 DF England ENG Liam Ridehalgh 30 MF England ENG Jordan Sinnott 31 MF England ENG Dale Hopson 32 DF England ENG Jack Hunt 33 DF Wales WAL Joel Lynch 34 MF England ENG Matt Crooks 35 GK England ENG Lloyd Allinson 36 FW England ENG Max Leonard 37 DF Scotland SCO Robbie McIntyre 38 MF United States USA Duane Holmes 39 DF Republic of Ireland IRL Anthony Gerrard 40 DF England ENG James Burke 41 FW England ENG Paul Mullin 42 GK Poland POL Ed Wilczynski 43 DF Wales WAL Joe Wright Managed by Mark Robins. I'd say that the 2013/14 squad and manager were far better than what we had at the start of this season. I fully expect you to disagree though. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2023 11:58:24 GMT 1
People thought we wouldn't have a season like last season but I dont recall anyone saying wed be fighting against relegation. But it suits the narrative now to imply thats what Hoyle should have known. You said this about Hunt- 'The Jack Hunt situation was completely different and fully supported Hoyle back the and still do. Plus we were in a far better position as a squad unlike at the start of the season when Hoyle came out and claimed we had a good squad and manager, only him and about 4 fans believed in that when everyone else was saying otherwise. Hunt left at the start of 13/14 season...we'd just avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth the previous season in that game v Barnsley. We were down with 10 minutes to go! Yet that was a 'far better position as a squad and manager' than at the start of this season?? I said we'd struggle. I genuinely laughed out loud when you said after the play-offs that we'd be challenging for automatic promotion this season. Pretty much everyone laughed out loud when I said we'd finish 6th to 10th the season before...called that wrong too in the end!  I thought we'd miss LOB, Toffs and Colwill but was happy wed secured our 3 best players on new deals from last season in Nicholls, Lees and Thomas. And on paper the incomings looked pretty good. A Japanese international, a polish international, couple of very highly rated loans from the PL, a highly rated lad from Wimbledon.. a few others. the management change was unfortunate and a step into the unknown ... but so had been Corboran and Wagner, so you never know. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2023 12:01:30 GMT 1
People thought we wouldn't have a season like last season but I dont recall anyone saying wed be fighting against relegation. But it suits the narrative now to imply thats what Hoyle should have known. You said this about Hunt- 'The Jack Hunt situation was completely different and fully supported Hoyle back the and still do. Plus we were in a far better position as a squad unlike at the start of the season when Hoyle came out and claimed we had a good squad and manager, only him and about 4 fans believed in that when everyone else was saying otherwise. Hunt left at the start of 13/14 season...we'd just avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth the previous season in that game v Barnsley. We were down with 10 minutes to go! Yet that was a 'far better position as a squad and manager' than at the start of this season?? The squad at the start of the 2013/14 season: 1 GK England ENG Alex Smithies 2 DF England ENG Calum Woods 3 DF Scotland SCO Paul Dixon 4 MF Northern Ireland NIR Oliver Norwood 5 DF England ENG Peter Clarke (Captain) 6 MF England ENG Jonathan Hogg 7 MF Republic of Ireland IRL Sean Scannell 8 MF England ENG Adam Clayton 9 FW England ENG James Vaughan 10 MF England ENG Oscar Gobern 11 MF England ENG Danny Ward 12 MF England ENG Adam Hammill 13 GK England ENG Ian Bennett 14 FW England ENG Jon Stead 15 DF Scotland SCO Murray Wallace 16 MF England ENG Keith Southern 17 FW Northern Ireland NIR Martin Paterson 19 FW Spain ESP Cristian López 20 MF England ENG Chris Atkinson (on loan at Tranmere Rovers) 21 FW England ENG Kallum Higginbotham 22 MF England ENG Anton Robinson 25 DF Republic of Ireland IRL Jake Carroll 26 FW England ENG Daniel Carr 27 DF England ENG Tommy Smith 28 FW England ENG Jimmy Spencer 29 DF England ENG Liam Ridehalgh 30 MF England ENG Jordan Sinnott 31 MF England ENG Dale Hopson 32 DF England ENG Jack Hunt 33 DF Wales WAL Joel Lynch 34 MF England ENG Matt Crooks 35 GK England ENG Lloyd Allinson 36 FW England ENG Max Leonard 37 DF Scotland SCO Robbie McIntyre 38 MF United States USA Duane Holmes 39 DF Republic of Ireland IRL Anthony Gerrard 40 DF England ENG James Burke 41 FW England ENG Paul Mullin 42 GK Poland POL Ed Wilczynski 43 DF Wales WAL Joe Wright Managed by Mark Robins. I'd say that the 2013/14 squad and manager were far better than what we had at the start of this season. I fully expect you to disagree though. You expect right then. The bulk of a squad who'd just finished 3rd or the bulk of a squad who'd just been 10 minutes from getting relegated?.. The latter is the one thats 'far better' ? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2023 12:03:16 GMT 1
People thought we wouldn't have a season like last season but I dont recall anyone saying wed be fighting against relegation. But it suits the narrative now to imply thats what Hoyle should have known. You said this about Hunt- 'The Jack Hunt situation was completely different and fully supported Hoyle back the and still do. Plus we were in a far better position as a squad unlike at the start of the season when Hoyle came out and claimed we had a good squad and manager, only him and about 4 fans believed in that when everyone else was saying otherwise. Hunt left at the start of 13/14 season...we'd just avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth the previous season in that game v Barnsley. We were down with 10 minutes to go! Yet that was a 'far better position as a squad and manager' than at the start of this season?? You need to reread my post. I was referring to when Jack Hunt asked to come back, not when he left. Fair enough, Apologies ben. Thought you were talking about when he left. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Mar 2, 2023 12:11:15 GMT 1
there is a German chess term "zugzwang" that seems an appropriate description of O'Brien's unfortunate career purgatory. You've zugzwanged yer'sen lad! For those who don't understand German or play chess, it doesn't have an exact direct translation, a bit like zeitgeist and such. It means "tight spot" as in you've got yourself into a tight spot. Love the German language, has some really weird sayings that don't translate properly or directly :D And the English language is really simple of course… Their, there or they’re. Other examples are available. |
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Post by mosher on Mar 2, 2023 12:22:25 GMT 1
For those who don't understand German or play chess, it doesn't have an exact direct translation, a bit like zeitgeist and such. It means "tight spot" as in you've got yourself into a tight spot. Love the German language, has some really weird sayings that don't translate properly or directly And the English language is really simple of course… Their, there or they’re. Other examples are available. Yeah I agree, the English language must be one of the hardest to learn as a second language. So many nuances plus words that sound the same but are spelt completely different and have vastly different meanings as you point out. I found German really easy to learn, but the experts reckon it's much easier when you're a kid as I was. I find it much harder nowadays to learn languages fully. I've got a smattering of Urdu, Arabic, Bosnian, Cantonese, Norwegian, Polish, Czech and others, but German is the only one I can hold a full conversation with. And even that's more stilted after not having needed to use it fully since 93 lol Edit: just to say I wasn't being sarcastic about loving the German language. May not sound as sexy as French, Italian and the other so-called romantic languages but I love speaking it. |
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Post by ldr on Mar 2, 2023 12:53:07 GMT 1
there is a German chess term "zugzwang" that seems an appropriate description of O'Brien's unfortunate career purgatory. You've zugzwanged yer'sen lad! I will check that out mate. |
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Post by mosher on Mar 2, 2023 12:55:25 GMT 1
there is a German chess term "zugzwang" that seems an appropriate description of O'Brien's unfortunate career purgatory. You've zugzwanged yer'sen lad! I will check that out mate. I thought westislandterrier was the king of puns and we were mere pawns. |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 2, 2023 13:01:08 GMT 1
The squad at the start of the 2013/14 season: 1 GK England ENG Alex Smithies 2 DF England ENG Calum Woods 3 DF Scotland SCO Paul Dixon 4 MF Northern Ireland NIR Oliver Norwood 5 DF England ENG Peter Clarke (Captain) 6 MF England ENG Jonathan Hogg 7 MF Republic of Ireland IRL Sean Scannell 8 MF England ENG Adam Clayton 9 FW England ENG James Vaughan 10 MF England ENG Oscar Gobern 11 MF England ENG Danny Ward 12 MF England ENG Adam Hammill 13 GK England ENG Ian Bennett 14 FW England ENG Jon Stead 15 DF Scotland SCO Murray Wallace 16 MF England ENG Keith Southern 17 FW Northern Ireland NIR Martin Paterson 19 FW Spain ESP Cristian López 20 MF England ENG Chris Atkinson (on loan at Tranmere Rovers) 21 FW England ENG Kallum Higginbotham 22 MF England ENG Anton Robinson 25 DF Republic of Ireland IRL Jake Carroll 26 FW England ENG Daniel Carr 27 DF England ENG Tommy Smith 28 FW England ENG Jimmy Spencer 29 DF England ENG Liam Ridehalgh 30 MF England ENG Jordan Sinnott 31 MF England ENG Dale Hopson 32 DF England ENG Jack Hunt 33 DF Wales WAL Joel Lynch 34 MF England ENG Matt Crooks 35 GK England ENG Lloyd Allinson 36 FW England ENG Max Leonard 37 DF Scotland SCO Robbie McIntyre 38 MF United States USA Duane Holmes 39 DF Republic of Ireland IRL Anthony Gerrard 40 DF England ENG James Burke 41 FW England ENG Paul Mullin 42 GK Poland POL Ed Wilczynski 43 DF Wales WAL Joe Wright Managed by Mark Robins. I'd say that the 2013/14 squad and manager were far better than what we had at the start of this season. I fully expect you to disagree though. You expect right then. The bulk of a squad who'd just finished 3rd or the bulk of a squad who'd just been 10 minutes from getting relegated?.. The latter is the one thats 'far better' ? Apart from the fact that the ones who'd done most of the heavy lifting that season had either been sold, allowed to return to parent clubs or released. And the others had just had the season of their lives, massive outliers compared to their previous careers, under a coach who had left. Jeez, what you know about football I could write on my little finger nail using a marker pen |
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Post by irverino on Mar 2, 2023 13:01:34 GMT 1
LOB, Toff & Pipa all made the step up to higher football & all have failed miserably, makes you wonder if they had been playing for a more experienced manager (ie Warnock/Pearson) who could have advised them they were not ready or good enough to make the step up yet........they were hardly ever going to get it from their money grabbing agents.
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Post by Floyds on Mar 2, 2023 13:37:51 GMT 1
Touched a nerve have I? Go back to the eve of the first game of the season and plenty and myself included saw that squad as a very poor squad and you know it. That’s not hindsight. Not sure you’re going on about with Jack Hunt, I’ve literally defended Hoyle on the Jack Hunt situation. Jacks behaviour at Town was a disgrace and when he asked to come back Hoyle rightly said no. The upshot at the time was that we actually had a good enough squad to turn down Jack. People thought we wouldn't have a season like last season but I dont recall anyone saying wed be fighting against relegation. But it suits the narrative now to imply thats what Hoyle should have known. You said this about Hunt- 'The Jack Hunt situation was completely different and fully supported Hoyle back the and still do. Plus we were in a far better position as a squad unlike at the start of the season when Hoyle came out and claimed we had a good squad and manager, only him and about 4 fans believed in that when everyone else was saying otherwise. Hunt left at the start of 13/14 season...we'd just avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth the previous season in that game v Barnsley. We were down with 10 minutes to go! Yet that was a 'far better position as a squad and manager' than at the start of this season?? Jul 7, 2022 at 4:52pm QuoteEditlikedislikePost OptionsPost by Floyds on Jul 7, 2022 at 4:52pm Survival, assuming LOB and Toffolo go and are not replaced. We'll have one of the lowest wage bills and a rookie manager... My post from 7th July. Although I take your point Captain that I thought we'd struggle the season before too. Not replacing Toffolo at left back (the "Japanese player" didn't look a left back, to me) was an odd one. If you combined one player from Rudoni and Kasumu they'd not be as good as LOB. Our loans didn't work out (e.g. Colwill vs. Mbete), our squad aged another year so have picked up more injuries. We've signed a multitude of goalkeepers and strikers, none of which have improved the team. And our policy of appointing novice managers to oversee the transition post Wembley/LOB/Toffolo hasn't paid dividends (not surprisingly). All in all - we've had a complete shocker from when we lost at Wembley. Had someone purposefully sabotaged the season they'd not have done a better job. But, that's life and you take the rough with the smooth. Hopefully we can rebuild in the summer and move forward with a new direction, owner, management and players. |
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Post by townarentbest on Mar 2, 2023 13:55:02 GMT 1
Didn't know he and DH had fallen out. Its suits people's agenda to pile a bit more shit on the club and Hoyle in particular.. so the bloke who said it down the pub must be right. We'll overlook that the loan deal Forest agreed with Blackburn had them paying all his £22k a week wage and an obligation to buy him for £10m if they go up...2 things that obviously Town are in no position to match. Apparently Forest would have jumped at the chance to loan him out in a much worse deal for themselves, but were thwarted by LOB being unhappy at the club that made him a professional and who've just allowed him the chance to try and become a PL player. To be fair, its 1 thing that Town weren't really able to match - we could likely have included a promotion purchase obligation of £100m if we wanted!! |
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Post by detox on Mar 2, 2023 15:35:54 GMT 1
It's not just the departure or L O'B..for various reasons we've been without Nichols, Pearson, Turton, Colwill, Toffolo, Sarr, Pipa, Sinani, Thomas , Koroma...all of whome played a part in last seasons 3rd place finish...and as a result the goals from Ward and Rhodes have dried up...even Toffs bagged 5 goals in the last 7 games..Koroma lost form, Thomas too..Lees has struggled as has Pearson since his return..We even lost the new signings like Nakayama... it's been a nightmare season so far...to survive will be a miracle.
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Post by goodbet on Mar 2, 2023 16:42:11 GMT 1
O’Brien owes us nothing. The Jack Hunt situation was completely different and fully supported Hoyle back the and still do. Plus we were in a far better position as a squad unlike at the start of the season when Hoyle came out and claimed we had a good squad and manager, only him and about 4 fans believed in that when everyone else was saying otherwise. O’Brien would improve this team and I don’t blame him one bit for not coming back. Only about 4 fans believed him the season before too when everyone else was saying otherwise! I dont remember anyone predicting the season would go the way it has back at the start, even the most consistently pessimistic buggers on here. Everyone, Hoyle included, would have thought we were in a far better position as a squad than being in the bottom 3 all season. When Jack Hunt left almost everyone would have predicted a season of struggle with or without him.. because that was back in the days when Town doing that wasnt 'unimmaginable', but just what we tended to do. It was said that we had sold off all of the pace and the get up and go in the side we have not replaced. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2023 16:53:12 GMT 1
You expect right then. The bulk of a squad who'd just finished 3rd or the bulk of a squad who'd just been 10 minutes from getting relegated?.. The latter is the one thats 'far better' ? Apart from the fact that the ones who'd done most of the heavy lifting that season had either been sold, allowed to return to parent clubs or released. And the others had just had the season of their lives, massive outliers compared to their previous careers, under a coach who had left. Jeez, what you know about football I could write on my little finger nail using a marker pen Yeah thanks a bunch. Ive always had you down as a real expert too. So the ones who'd done 'most of the heavy lifting' had left?... well 3 of the better players had anyway if we stop being hysterical about it. The 3 actual best ones that season had stayed on improved deals,, but that might not fit into this contrived nonsense very well. The manager deciding to jump ship for a 'better' job was a blow though, Ill give you that. So, the bulk of a squad who'd just been 10 minutes from being relegated was 'far better' than the bulk of a squad who'd just finished 3rd ? Every day's a school day, as the saying goes. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 2, 2023 17:03:47 GMT 1
People thought we wouldn't have a season like last season but I dont recall anyone saying wed be fighting against relegation. But it suits the narrative now to imply thats what Hoyle should have known. You said this about Hunt- 'The Jack Hunt situation was completely different and fully supported Hoyle back the and still do. Plus we were in a far better position as a squad unlike at the start of the season when Hoyle came out and claimed we had a good squad and manager, only him and about 4 fans believed in that when everyone else was saying otherwise. Hunt left at the start of 13/14 season...we'd just avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth the previous season in that game v Barnsley. We were down with 10 minutes to go! Yet that was a 'far better position as a squad and manager' than at the start of this season?? Jul 7, 2022 at 4:52pm QuoteEditlikedislikePost OptionsPost by Floyds on Jul 7, 2022 at 4:52pm Survival, assuming LOB and Toffolo go and are not replaced. We'll have one of the lowest wage bills and a rookie manager... My post from 7th July. Although I take your point Captain that I thought we'd struggle the season before too. Not replacing Toffolo at left back (the "Japanese player" didn't look a left back, to me) was an odd one. If you combined one player from Rudoni and Kasumu they'd not be as good as LOB. Our loans didn't work out (e.g. Colwill vs. Mbete), our squad aged another year so have picked up more injuries. We've signed a multitude of goalkeepers and strikers, none of which have improved the team. And our policy of appointing novice managers to oversee the transition post Wembley/LOB/Toffolo hasn't paid dividends (not surprisingly). All in all - we've had a complete shocker from when we lost at Wembley. Had someone purposefully sabotaged the season they'd not have done a better job. But, that's life and you take the rough with the smooth. Hopefully we can rebuild in the summer and move forward with a new direction, owner, management and players. It has been a shocker. Lots of decisions that havent worked out well at all....incredible amount of injuries...Id say a fair amount of bad luck too...a lot of players struggling for the form they had just a few months earlier....and financially weve had to massively reduce our budget because our income has massively reduced. Theres not a lot gone right this season at all. I think we'll survive, but even if we dont, your last line is spot on. We rebuild and move on in a new era for the club. I hope it turns out to be as successful as the last one did. |
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Post by goodbet on Mar 2, 2023 17:11:51 GMT 1
LOB wanted to go and who could blame him.
The real issue is that the lack of quality replacements and the January get the numbers in rather than any real team building.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Mar 2, 2023 18:43:07 GMT 1
Obviously, we lost 3 of our best 4 players from last year, which makes a huge difference. Nicholls remained but had a difficult start to the season & we've lost him for a large chunk of the season anyway. The difference between linking defence & attack is huge, we totally miss LOB's ball carrying & link up with Toff, who I think will have scored more goals last season than anyone has so far this. Colwill was obviously class & we have not replaced any pace we had in the back 5. We also, as I said at the end of the season, would not be able to replicate the number of set piece goals we scored, that was a freak statistic that hid how bad we were at creating from open play. We also, for once, had a lot of refs' decisions go our way.
However, IMO, the biggest loss was CC, he never stopped giving instructions during games & frequently changed formations, often several times in one game. This year the players have had to think for themselves & they've come up well short.
I think most of us realised we had greatly over-achieved last season, though I doubt many of us, me included, thought we'd be in a relegation fight.
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Post by space hardware on Mar 2, 2023 22:54:36 GMT 1
Apart from the fact that the ones who'd done most of the heavy lifting that season had either been sold, allowed to return to parent clubs or released. And the others had just had the season of their lives, massive outliers compared to their previous careers, under a coach who had left. Jeez, what you know about football I could write on my little finger nail using a marker pen Yeah thanks a bunch. Ive always had you down as a real expert too. So the ones who'd done 'most of the heavy lifting' had left?... well 3 of the better players had anyway if we stop being hysterical about it. The 3 actual best ones that season had stayed on improved deals,, but that might not fit into this contrived nonsense very well. The manager deciding to jump ship for a 'better' job was a blow though, Ill give you that. So, the bulk of a squad who'd just been 10 minutes from being relegated was 'far better' than the bulk of a squad who'd just finished 3rd ? Every day's a school day, as the saying goes. Perhaps I was being a tad harsh with my marker pen comment, sorry about that 🙈 However .... I can't get my head around you thinking that the ragtag bag of nails that constituted our squad at the start of this season is better than the 2013/14 one. Or that Danny Schofield was a better coach at that point than Robins was. |
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you’re going on about with Jack Hunt, I’ve literally defended Hoyle on the Jack Hunt situation. Jacks behaviour at Town was a disgrace and when he asked to come back Hoyle rightly said no. The upshot at the time was that we actually had a good enough squad to turn down Jack. 
