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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 1:25:32 GMT 1
The rag tag bag of nails had just finished 3rd.
Ok we lost 2 or 3 of our better players from that group.. but we'd brought in 2 current internationals, 2 highly rated PL loans and various other players.
I genuinely have no idea why at the start of this season you'd think a squad from back then that just avoided relegation by the skin of their teeth would be 'far better'.
Not sure I said Schofield was a better coach at that point than Robins was. I had no idea what Schofield was like as a manager in the summer.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 1:40:48 GMT 1
Obviously, we lost 3 of our best 4 players from last year, which makes a huge difference. Nicholls remained but had a difficult start to the season & we've lost him for a large chunk of the season anyway. The difference between linking defence & attack is huge, we totally miss LOB's ball carrying & link up with Toff, who I think will have scored more goals last season than anyone has so far this. Colwill was obviously class & we have not replaced any pace we had in the back 5. We also, as I said at the end of the season, would not be able to replicate the number of set piece goals we scored, that was a freak statistic that hid how bad we were at creating from open play. We also, for once, had a lot of refs' decisions go our way. However, IMO, the biggest loss was CC, he never stopped giving instructions during games & frequently changed formations, often several times in one game. This year the players have had to think for themselves & they've come up well short. I think most of us realised we had greatly over-achieved last season, though I doubt many of us, me included, thought we'd be in a relegation fight. Disagree with that. The 3 key ( best ) players from last season were Nicholls, Lees and Thomas IMO.. all made a huge difference. Thomas faded after xmas, but he'd played a huge part in getting us going in the first few months. Nicholls was the best keeper in the division and Lees was consistently outstanding, playing a massive part in transforming what had been a very leaky defence into a very tight one. Toffolo finished the season extremely well but he'd been pretty average at best for the first half of the season I thought. Corboran eventually dropped him at one point I remember. Colwill was excellent for a young lad but not on a par with Lees IMO and only started just over half the games, not always because he was injured either. LOB was consistently good as he tended to be, but I dont think he was outstanding. I agree CC dumping us was the biggest factor in the difference between last season and this. He'd been a novice coach when we appointed him and we tried to replicate that,, twice,,,and obviously we failed both times. |
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 3, 2023 7:38:24 GMT 1
LOB wanted to go and who could blame him. The real issue is that the lack of quality replacements and the January get the numbers in rather than any real team building. Not what I heard. He was happy to stay and give it another go. Alex Smithies part 2 🤨 |
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Post by space hardware on Mar 3, 2023 8:34:26 GMT 1
The rag tag bag of nails had just finished 3rd. Ok we lost 2 or 3 of our better players from that group.. but we'd brought in 2 current internationals, 2 highly rated PL loans and various other players. I genuinely have no idea why at the start of this season you'd think a squad from back then that just avoided relegation by the skin of their teeth would be 'far better'. Not sure I said Schofield was a better coach at that point than Robins was. I had no idea what Schofield was like as a manager in the summer. O'Brien Toffolo Colwill Sarr Sinani Pipa Eiting They all left and were either not replaced or replaced with inferior versions. You could argue that the last two weren't much of a loss but they were squad players. Pearson was injured, yet again. |
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Mar 3, 2023 8:48:50 GMT 1
Obviously, we lost 3 of our best 4 players from last year, which makes a huge difference. Nicholls remained but had a difficult start to the season & we've lost him for a large chunk of the season anyway. The difference between linking defence & attack is huge, we totally miss LOB's ball carrying & link up with Toff, who I think will have scored more goals last season than anyone has so far this. Colwill was obviously class & we have not replaced any pace we had in the back 5. We also, as I said at the end of the season, would not be able to replicate the number of set piece goals we scored, that was a freak statistic that hid how bad we were at creating from open play. We also, for once, had a lot of refs' decisions go our way. However, IMO, the biggest loss was CC, he never stopped giving instructions during games & frequently changed formations, often several times in one game. This year the players have had to think for themselves & they've come up well short. I think most of us realised we had greatly over-achieved last season, though I doubt many of us, me included, thought we'd be in a relegation fight. Disagree with that. The 3 key ( best ) players from last season were Nicholls, Lees and Thomas IMO.. all made a huge difference. Thomas faded after xmas, but he'd played a huge part in getting us going in the first few months. Nicholls was the best keeper in the division and Lees was consistently outstanding, playing a massive part in transforming what had been a very leaky defence into a very tight one. Toffolo finished the season extremely well but he'd been pretty average at best for the first half of the season I thought. Corboran eventually dropped him at one point I remember. Colwill was excellent for a young lad but not on a par with Lees IMO and only started just over half the games, not always because he was injured either. LOB was consistently good as he tended to be, but I dont think he was outstanding. I agree CC dumping us was the biggest factor in the difference between last season and this. He'd been a novice coach when we appointed him and we tried to replicate that,, twice,,,and obviously we failed both times. I agree about Nicholls being our best player but him, Lees & Pearson had, I suspect, their career seasons. I also agree that Toffolo wasn't as good as you'd expect in the first half of the season but losing the partnership of him & LOB robbed us of our main way of transitioning from defence to attack & whenever his goals were scored, our LB would've been top scorer this season, which, for a defender not on free kicks & pens is a disgrace in any team. You obviously agreed with Dean's opinion (no surprise there  ) that we wouldn't miss LOB but that was clearly a mistake, he was vital to how we played. I never actually rated Thomas very highly in open play, once teams realised his only trick was to flick it over his head & chase it, however, he did play much better than this season & put in some decent crosses. The real loss is his contribution to set piece goals, which I said would be unsustainable. Our defence was so much more solid last season, hence one set piece was often enough to mask our poor attacking threat. I believe Colwill's pace wasn't lightning but still more than we have now & I think he would have played every game he was available for, bar a probable agreement with Chelsea not to overplay him or a sensible decision ourselves to do the same. You only have to look at the difference he made over Mbete when, on paper, it should have been a decent replacement. Anyway, let's hope we can scrape enough points this season to stay up & reset for next season in the Championship. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2023 9:15:34 GMT 1
there is a German chess term "zugzwang" that seems an appropriate description of O'Brien's unfortunate career purgatory. You've zugzwanged yer'sen lad! For those who don't understand German or play chess, it doesn't have an exact direct translation, a bit like zeitgeist and such. It means "tight spot" as in you've got yourself into a tight spot. Love the German language, has some really weird sayings that don't translate properly or directly  Probably the best doom metal on the planet as well (off topic I know - soz) 🤘 |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 10:38:14 GMT 1
Disagree with that. The 3 key ( best ) players from last season were Nicholls, Lees and Thomas IMO.. all made a huge difference. Thomas faded after xmas, but he'd played a huge part in getting us going in the first few months. Nicholls was the best keeper in the division and Lees was consistently outstanding, playing a massive part in transforming what had been a very leaky defence into a very tight one. Toffolo finished the season extremely well but he'd been pretty average at best for the first half of the season I thought. Corboran eventually dropped him at one point I remember. Colwill was excellent for a young lad but not on a par with Lees IMO and only started just over half the games, not always because he was injured either. LOB was consistently good as he tended to be, but I dont think he was outstanding. I agree CC dumping us was the biggest factor in the difference between last season and this. He'd been a novice coach when we appointed him and we tried to replicate that,, twice,,,and obviously we failed both times. I agree about Nicholls being our best player but him, Lees & Pearson had, I suspect, their career seasons. I also agree that Toffolo wasn't as good as you'd expect in the first half of the season but losing the partnership of him & LOB robbed us of our main way of transitioning from defence to attack & whenever his goals were scored, our LB would've been top scorer this season, which, for a defender not on free kicks & pens is a disgrace in any team. You obviously agreed with Dean's opinion (no surprise there ) that we wouldn't miss LOB but that was clearly a mistake, he was vital to how we played. I never actually rated Thomas very highly in open play, once teams realised his only trick was to flick it over his head & chase it, however, he did play much better than this season & put in some decent crosses. The real loss is his contribution to set piece goals, which I said would be unsustainable. Our defence was so much more solid last season, hence one set piece was often enough to mask our poor attacking threat. I believe Colwill's pace wasn't lightning but still more than we have now & I think he would have played every game he was available for, bar a probable agreement with Chelsea not to overplay him or a sensible decision ourselves to do the same. You only have to look at the difference he made over Mbete when, on paper, it should have been a decent replacement. Anyway, let's hope we can scrape enough points this season to stay up & reset for next season in the Championship. No I wouldn't have agree with Hoyle about LOB. ( people picking themselves off the floor! ) I thought we'd miss aspects of his game.. particularly the way he transitioned a defensive position into an attacking one with those bursts through the middle he did. Like anyone else I hoped the replacements, be they signings or lads from the B team would fill the gap. In some ways they have.. I think Rudoni is a better technical player on the ball...but overall we do miss him as we havent replaced that drive and energy LOB gave us with those runs. Not sure Hoyle himself actually believed we wouldn't miss LOB either to be honest. Bit of politics being played there perhaps? Trying to remain positive about a negative. Losing LOB was only a 'mistake' if you had a decision to make, and I dont think we actually did. The player was wanting to leave , understandably, and standing in his way when he had that opportunity to play at the top level and earn a fortune would have created more problems than it solved IMO..and we as a club had just had our income reduced by maybe 70% so really needed the money. Colwill certainly was on a different planet to Mbete. thats a really odd one though. Mbete should have been a step up from Colwill really. He was much nearer Man City first team than Colwill was to Chelseas .. and Man City are much stronger than Chelsea. For him to be so poor didnt make any sense. On Colwill, I dont know if we did have any arrangement with Chelsea over his game time, but id be surprised if we did. Im also not sure he would have played every game if he was available. Think Corboran really liked the Lees / Pearson duo at centre back. Colwill played most of his games in the first half of the season... but it was actually the 2nd half of the season when the side really performed well and moved up into those play off spots. Big reset coming up this summer whether we're in this division or league 1 I would imagine. |
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 3, 2023 10:50:17 GMT 1
There could be work for him in India as a punkhawallah.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 10:51:01 GMT 1
The rag tag bag of nails had just finished 3rd. Ok we lost 2 or 3 of our better players from that group.. but we'd brought in 2 current internationals, 2 highly rated PL loans and various other players. I genuinely have no idea why at the start of this season you'd think a squad from back then that just avoided relegation by the skin of their teeth would be 'far better'. Not sure I said Schofield was a better coach at that point than Robins was. I had no idea what Schofield was like as a manager in the summer. O'Brien Toffolo Colwill Sarr Sinani Pipa Eiting They all left and were either not replaced or replaced with inferior versions. You could argue that the last two weren't much of a loss but they were squad players. Pearson was injured, yet again. If colwill was replaced by Mbete ( an inferior player ) who was replacing Sarr? It would be Helic wouldn't it, and Helic is a much better player IMO. Sinani splits opinion on here, but Im in the camp that he was our weakest link in that side, so dont see him leaving as any great loss. Pipa and Eiting were both pretty atrocious last season IMO and have been improved on |
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Post by rothwellterrier on Mar 3, 2023 10:56:00 GMT 1
O'Brien Toffolo Colwill Sarr Sinani Pipa Eiting They all left and were either not replaced or replaced with inferior versions. You could argue that the last two weren't much of a loss but they were squad players. Pearson was injured, yet again. If colwill was replaced by Mbete ( an inferior player ) who was replacing Sarr? It would be Helic wouldn't it, and Helic is a much better player IMO. Sinani splits opinion on here, but Im in the camp that he was our weakest link in that side, so dont see him leaving as any great loss. Pipa and Eiting were both pretty atrocious last season IMO and have been improved on Boyle was replacing Sarr. Helik was brought in once Pearson was lost to a long term injury wasn’t he? |
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Post by hthp on Mar 3, 2023 11:07:39 GMT 1
O'Brien Toffolo Colwill Sarr Sinani Pipa Eiting They all left and were either not replaced or replaced with inferior versions. You could argue that the last two weren't much of a loss but they were squad players. Pearson was injured, yet again. If colwill was replaced by Mbete ( an inferior player ) who was replacing Sarr? It would be Helic wouldn't it, and Helic is a much better player IMO. Sinani splits opinion on here, but Im in the camp that he was our weakest link in that side, so dont see him leaving as any great loss. Pipa and Eiting were both pretty atrocious last season IMO and have been improved on Pipa especially. Never ever got the hype over that one. |
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Post by hthp on Mar 3, 2023 11:08:55 GMT 1
LOB wanted to go and who could blame him. The real issue is that the lack of quality replacements and the January get the numbers in rather than any real team building. Not what I heard. He was happy to stay and give it another go. Alex Smithies part 2 🤨 I heard that O'Brien wanted to go the season before but had an agreement with Hoyle that he would stay an extra season on the proviso that if we didn't go up, then he could leave. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 11:22:25 GMT 1
If colwill was replaced by Mbete ( an inferior player ) who was replacing Sarr? It would be Helic wouldn't it, and Helic is a much better player IMO. Sinani splits opinion on here, but Im in the camp that he was our weakest link in that side, so dont see him leaving as any great loss. Pipa and Eiting were both pretty atrocious last season IMO and have been improved on Boyle was replacing Sarr. Helik was brought in once Pearson was lost to a long term injury wasn’t he? yeah, youre probably right with the timing of it. Think at the start of the season Sarr ( had he agreed to stay so we hadnt signed Boyle) was probably seen as being behind Lees, Helik, Pearson ( when fit ) and Mbete. Possibly REG too who'd returned with glowing reports from Rotherham. I imagine they looked at him, his salary ( we needed to cut wages ) , where he would be in the pecking order and decided not to offer him a new deal... and I doubt Sarr would have stayed had we done anyway. Not sure as a back up centre back, Boyle has been so much worse than Sarr would have been thats its made any difference myself. |
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Post by goodbet on Mar 3, 2023 11:59:10 GMT 1
The rag tag bag of nails had just finished 3rd. Ok we lost 2 or 3 of our better players from that group.. but we'd brought in 2 current internationals, 2 highly rated PL loans and various other players. I genuinely have no idea why at the start of this season you'd think a squad from back then that just avoided relegation by the skin of their teeth would be 'far better'. Not sure I said Schofield was a better coach at that point than Robins was. I had no idea what Schofield was like as a manager in the summer. We were just not ready at the start of the season, far from fit and looked like a bunch of strangers on the field. The belief was not there in Scofield and the summer deals did not help the team. I can only think that the team looked around each other and felt that they were missing the two people they turned too previously and they had gone to Notts F. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 12:15:06 GMT 1
The rag tag bag of nails had just finished 3rd. Ok we lost 2 or 3 of our better players from that group.. but we'd brought in 2 current internationals, 2 highly rated PL loans and various other players. I genuinely have no idea why at the start of this season you'd think a squad from back then that just avoided relegation by the skin of their teeth would be 'far better'. Not sure I said Schofield was a better coach at that point than Robins was. I had no idea what Schofield was like as a manager in the summer. We were just not ready at the start of the season, far from fit and looked like a bunch of strangers on the field. The belief was not there in Scofield and the summer deals did not help the team. I can only think that the team looked around each other and felt that they were missing the two people they turned too previously and they had gone to Notts F. LOB and Toffolo were big mates and you'd imagine a big presence in the dressing room. Losing them will have been a big blow to the group in that respect as well as them as players. I dont know how much the belief in Schofield played a part.. the players seemed to like him a lot and will have wanted him to succeed. I just think the club was on such a downer after Wembley and how it went that day .. not just the injustice of the refereeing but how poorly they'd performed, because Forest were lousy too and there to be beaten... that we started the season with a chronic headache that weve never really managed to get over. At the time we should have been getting back on the horse, we were then hammered by a truly terrible amount of injuries, so it never happened then either. And then youre stuck at the bottom, losing has become a habit, confidence is shot and the thing snowballs into the season were having. |
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Post by goodbet on Mar 3, 2023 12:18:06 GMT 1
We were just not ready at the start of the season, far from fit and looked like a bunch of strangers on the field. The belief was not there in Scofield and the summer deals did not help the team. I can only think that the team looked around each other and felt that they were missing the two people they turned too previously and they had gone to Notts F. LOB and Toffolo were big mates and you'd imagine a big presence in the dressing room. Losing them will have been a big blow to the group in that respect as well as them as players. I dont know how much the belief in Schofield played a part.. the players seemed to like him a lot and will have wanted him to succeed. I just think the club was on such a downer after Wembley and how it went that day .. not just the injustice of the refereeing but how poorly they'd performed, because Forest were lousy too and there to be beaten... that we started the season with a chronic headache that weve never really managed to get over. At the time we should have been getting back on the horse, we were then hammered by a truly terrible amount of injuries, so it never happened then either. And then youre stuck at the bottom, losing has become a habit, confidence is shot and the thing snowballs into the season were having. Did you think that we were fit enough and ready for the start of the season? |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 12:29:49 GMT 1
Mentally fit ? Nowhere near and CC ditching us 2 or 3 weeks before the kick off made that a whole lot worse.
I think physical fitness is closely tied in to mental fitness. If youre in an emotional slump I think fatigue and lack of energy is going to go with that.
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Post by bentley316 on Mar 3, 2023 13:44:33 GMT 1
I think i said it in another thread but the biggest loss was to the dressing room spirit. Based on social media comments and player interviews seemed like the biggest "characters" who boosted morale were Toff, LoB, Sarr, Holmes and Frazier Campbell.
Losing 4 of them in the same window is a big loss to morale. Coupled with losing the great tactician and motivator Corboran is whats led to such a huge drop off in performance.
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Post by shawsie on Mar 3, 2023 14:51:26 GMT 1
I agree about Nicholls being our best player but him, Lees & Pearson had, I suspect, their career seasons. I also agree that Toffolo wasn't as good as you'd expect in the first half of the season but losing the partnership of him & LOB robbed us of our main way of transitioning from defence to attack & whenever his goals were scored, our LB would've been top scorer this season, which, for a defender not on free kicks & pens is a disgrace in any team. You obviously agreed with Dean's opinion (no surprise there ) that we wouldn't miss LOB but that was clearly a mistake, he was vital to how we played. I never actually rated Thomas very highly in open play, once teams realised his only trick was to flick it over his head & chase it, however, he did play much better than this season & put in some decent crosses. The real loss is his contribution to set piece goals, which I said would be unsustainable. Our defence was so much more solid last season, hence one set piece was often enough to mask our poor attacking threat. I believe Colwill's pace wasn't lightning but still more than we have now & I think he would have played every game he was available for, bar a probable agreement with Chelsea not to overplay him or a sensible decision ourselves to do the same. You only have to look at the difference he made over Mbete when, on paper, it should have been a decent replacement. Anyway, let's hope we can scrape enough points this season to stay up & reset for next season in the Championship. No I wouldn't have agree with Hoyle about LOB. ( people picking themselves off the floor! ) I thought we'd miss aspects of his game.. particularly the way he transitioned a defensive position into an attacking one with those bursts through the middle he did. Like anyone else I hoped the replacements, be they signings or lads from the B team would fill the gap. In some ways they have.. I think Rudoni is a better technical player on the ball...but overall we do miss him as we havent replaced that drive and energy LOB gave us with those runs. Not sure Hoyle himself actually believed we wouldn't miss LOB either to be honest. Bit of politics being played there perhaps? Trying to remain positive about a negative. Losing LOB was only a 'mistake' if you had a decision to make, and I dont think we actually did. The player was wanting to leave , understandably, and standing in his way when he had that opportunity to play at the top level and earn a fortune would have created more problems than it solved IMO..and we as a club had just had our income reduced by maybe 70% so really needed the money. Colwill certainly was on a different planet to Mbete. thats a really odd one though. Mbete should have been a step up from Colwill really. He was much nearer Man City first team than Colwill was to Chelseas .. and Man City are much stronger than Chelsea. For him to be so poor didnt make any sense. On Colwill, I dont know if we did have any arrangement with Chelsea over his game time, but id be surprised if we did. Im also not sure he would have played every game if he was available. Think Corboran really liked the Lees / Pearson duo at centre back. Colwill played most of his games in the first half of the season... but it was actually the 2nd half of the season when the side really performed well and moved up into those play off spots. Big reset coming up this summer whether we're in this division or league 1 I would imagine. I love this Rudoni a better technical player bit but dont understand it! He is neat and tidy on the ball and has a trick occasionally...........but consistently throughout the season has offered little and he hasn't as yet shown hes going to be anything other than mediocre at this level. Granted, hes played in a poor team and better players around him will help his development but we bought him to add goals from midfield - hes hasnt got one yet!!! Not one!!! Contrast that with LOB who like Van la Parra before him consistently drove us forward winning countless free kicks which we utilised to great effect in achieving a 3rd place finish. I genuinely hope Rudoni excels under Warnock - has a top attitude apparently and appears well liked but hes been a bit of a flop for me thus far. The recruitment this summer was generally appalling - Colwill, LOB and toffs all had mobility at this level and Sarr wasnt too shabby in that department either - we replaced em with Mbete, Boyle, Kasumu, Rudoni and kept faith with Ruffles, none of whom have very strong mobility at this level. Whilst the budgetary constraints were undoubtedly tight, thats simply piss poor recruitment imho and lots of us were worried early on when it was clear Schofield was just poor as manager/first team coach. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2023 15:22:46 GMT 1
LOB and Toffs were worth what?.. £10m
Colwill, if you were to buy him last summer from Chelsea?...£20m+ ??
How do you replace them adequately whilst only spending a tiny fraction of that value?.. like 1/30th of it ?
Id agree Rudon's end product has been poor, he doesnt get in the box anywhere near enough for me as he seemed to do in his video at Wimbledon ,,,,but I see a technically gifted player there and hes just a kid really at only 21.
I just think hes more comfortable on the ball than LOB and sees a pass better. One of LOBs weakest points IMO was after making the great break through the middle, he'd run , head down, straight into defenders and lose it, or he'd cock up the final ball to a wide player or striker.
LOB was hardly prolific with 8 goals in 3 seasons here and 131 appearances it has to be said.
Id be reasonably confident Rudoni will have scored more by the time hes played 131 times for us.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Mar 3, 2023 17:12:03 GMT 1
LOB and Toffs were worth what?.. £10m Colwill, if you were to buy him last summer from Chelsea?...£20m+ ?? How do you replace them adequately whilst only spending a tiny fraction of that value?.. like 1/30th of it ? Id agree Rudon's end product has been poor, he doesnt get in the box anywhere near enough for me as he seemed to do in his video at Wimbledon ,,,,but I see a technically gifted player there and hes just a kid really at only 21. I just think hes more comfortable on the ball than LOB and sees a pass better. One of LOBs weakest points IMO was after making the great break through the middle, he'd run , head down, straight into defenders and lose it, or he'd cock up the final ball to a wide player or striker. LOB was hardly prolific with 8 goals in 3 seasons here and 131 appearances it has to be said. Id be reasonably confident Rudoni will have scored more by the time hes played 131 times for us. All of these points are very true. Where we miss LOB is for the speed in which he allowed us to transition from defence into attack. We saw this in every game last season - he was a real bundle of energy. |
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Mar 3, 2023 17:14:59 GMT 1
LOB and Toffs were worth what?.. £10m Colwill, if you were to buy him last summer from Chelsea?...£20m+ ?? How do you replace them adequately whilst only spending a tiny fraction of that value?.. like 1/30th of it ? Id agree Rudon's end product has been poor, he doesnt get in the box anywhere near enough for me as he seemed to do in his video at Wimbledon ,,,,but I see a technically gifted player there and hes just a kid really at only 21. I just think hes more comfortable on the ball than LOB and sees a pass better. One of LOBs weakest points IMO was after making the great break through the middle, he'd run , head down, straight into defenders and lose it, or he'd cock up the final ball to a wide player or striker. LOB was hardly prolific with 8 goals in 3 seasons here and 131 appearances it has to be said. Id be reasonably confident Rudoni will have scored more by the time hes played 131 times for us. All of these points are very true. Where we miss LOB is for the speed in which he allowed us to transition from defence into attack. We saw this in every game last season - he was a real bundle of energy. He was EXTREMELY good at this, the best player in our team last season and the most important without a doubt. If he were in this team I genuinely think we'd be at least 9 points better off and not in any danger of relegation. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2023 18:16:18 GMT 1
LOB and Toffs were worth what?.. £10m Colwill, if you were to buy him last summer from Chelsea?...£20m+ ?? How do you replace them adequately whilst only spending a tiny fraction of that value?.. like 1/30th of it ? Id agree Rudon's end product has been poor, he doesnt get in the box anywhere near enough for me as he seemed to do in his video at Wimbledon ,,,,but I see a technically gifted player there and hes just a kid really at only 21. I just think hes more comfortable on the ball than LOB and sees a pass better. One of LOBs weakest points IMO was after making the great break through the middle, he'd run , head down, straight into defenders and lose it, or he'd cock up the final ball to a wide player or striker. LOB was hardly prolific with 8 goals in 3 seasons here and 131 appearances it has to be said. Id be reasonably confident Rudoni will have scored more by the time hes played 131 times for us. All of these points are very true. Where we miss LOB is for the speed in which he allowed us to transition from defence into attack. We saw this in every game last season - he was a real bundle of energy. For a full 90 minutes plus as well. Incredible engine. |
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Post by goodbet on Mar 3, 2023 20:31:31 GMT 1
I think i said it in another thread but the biggest loss was to the dressing room spirit. Based on social media comments and player interviews seemed like the biggest "characters" who boosted morale were Toff, LoB, Sarr, Holmes and Frazier Campbell. Losing 4 of them in the same window is a big loss to morale. Coupled with losing the great tactician and motivator Corboran is whats led to such a huge drop off in performance. This has been part of the problems with our recruitment strategy over the last few years. When you replace a left back with another left back you have to look at wider picture. A team is not just made of of positions that can be replaced like for like, you need a balance i.e. speed, leaders, creativity and characters that need to be represented across the team. |
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Post by rockwall on Mar 3, 2023 20:41:08 GMT 1
I think i said it in another thread but the biggest loss was to the dressing room spirit. Based on social media comments and player interviews seemed like the biggest "characters" who boosted morale were Toff, LoB, Sarr, Holmes and Frazier Campbell. Losing 4 of them in the same window is a big loss to morale. Coupled with losing the great tactician and motivator Corboran is whats led to such a huge drop off in performance. This has been part of the problems with our recruitment strategy over the last few years. When you replace a left back with another left back you have to look at wider picture. A team is not just made of of positions that can be replaced like for like, you need a balance i.e. speed, leaders, creativity and characters that need to be represented across the team. Hence why wagner was successful and Lee Clark built good foundations. LC - Clarke, Kay and Peltier all signed as captains of previous club. DW - Lowe, Schindler, Hefele all came as captains alongside Hogg and Smith. As Warnock has stated, apart from Hogg we have zero leaders. That has had a huge impact on this season. |
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Post by 28901 on Mar 3, 2023 21:26:01 GMT 1
This has been part of the problems with our recruitment strategy over the last few years. When you replace a left back with another left back you have to look at wider picture. A team is not just made of of positions that can be replaced like for like, you need a balance i.e. speed, leaders, creativity and characters that need to be represented across the team. Hence why wagner was successful and Lee Clark built good foundations. LC - Clarke, Kay and Peltier all signed as captains of previous club. DW - Lowe, Schindler, Hefele all came as captains alongside Hogg and Smith. As Warnock has stated, apart from Hogg we have zero leaders. That has had a huge impact on this season. Hogg ain't a leader. There's more to it than shouting. |
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Post by goodbet on Mar 3, 2023 21:27:21 GMT 1
Hence why wagner was successful and Lee Clark built good foundations. LC - Clarke, Kay and Peltier all signed as captains of previous club. DW - Lowe, Schindler, Hefele all came as captains alongside Hogg and Smith. As Warnock has stated, apart from Hogg we have zero leaders. That has had a huge impact on this season. Hogg ain't a leader. There's more to it than shouting. You forgot the pointing. |
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Post by 28901 on Mar 3, 2023 21:29:09 GMT 1
Hogg ain't a leader. There's more to it than shouting and pointing You forgot the pointing. Sorted |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2023 9:59:13 GMT 1
This has been part of the problems with our recruitment strategy over the last few years. When you replace a left back with another left back you have to look at wider picture. A team is not just made of of positions that can be replaced like for like, you need a balance i.e. speed, leaders, creativity and characters that need to be represented across the team. Hence why wagner was successful and Lee Clark built good foundations. LC - Clarke, Kay and Peltier all signed as captains of previous club. DW - Lowe, Schindler, Hefele all came as captains alongside Hogg and Smith. As Warnock has stated, apart from Hogg we have zero leaders. That has had a huge impact on this season. Did he say that? I think we all felt we lacked leaders, partly due to the general age of the team. We have some very experienced defenders so it is strange none of them take a lead. I think Nicholls is pretty vocal, which isn't much use at the moment. Perhaps if the confidence level of the team rises we could see more players stepping up to this. It is an issue. |
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Post by rockwall on Mar 4, 2023 10:28:22 GMT 1
Hence why wagner was successful and Lee Clark built good foundations. LC - Clarke, Kay and Peltier all signed as captains of previous club. DW - Lowe, Schindler, Hefele all came as captains alongside Hogg and Smith. As Warnock has stated, apart from Hogg we have zero leaders. That has had a huge impact on this season. Did he say that? I think we all felt we lacked leaders, partly due to the general age of the team. We have some very experienced defenders so it is strange none of them take a lead. I think Nicholls is pretty vocal, which isn't much use at the moment. Perhaps if the confidence level of the team rises we could see more players stepping up to this. It is an issue. He said it in his1st interview. Something like 'we lack leaders apart from Hoggy' |
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) that we wouldn't miss LOB but that was clearly a mistake, he was vital to how we played.
