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Post by Amigo on Jun 12, 2021 23:30:54 GMT 1
I've replied to 3 of your posts with a sentence each, you've responded with no less than 9 insults in your 3 posts, and I'm the pathetic one?! Get off your high horse mate you're coming across as a complete prat. You're so easy to get a rise out of it's boring now and I'm starting to think things mustn't be good for you so I'm going to leave it now. Life's too short, don't get so wound up by absolutely nothing. Enjoy your evening. You start with "You clearly don't have the stomach for it..." in criticism of me and now your whimping out! Then you state "No idea what there is to be deluded about either when it's an opinion." I hoped you'd realise the intrinsic stupidity within claiming "you have no idea", it's so true! However, to persistently fail to understand the significant adjectives in my replies and counting them as insults shows your sensitivity for what it is. I'm sitting soaking up a beautiful sea view after a long beach & mountain run today & you think you're getting rise out of me, don't make me laugh. Surely you saw that the "stomach for it" line was a joke/pun based on the fact you'd spelt "wasting" as "waisting"? I haven't taken any of this sensitively at all, it's been a wind up for me based on a simple joke in my opening post yet I now think I've taken it too far due to the tone of your responses so this is my last post on it. Someone that has to justify that they're doing or done this, that or the other today to prove they're happy is more than likely a bit troubled. Reply if you have the need or urge if it's going to make you feel better but I won't be responding.
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Post by digs on Jun 12, 2021 23:35:19 GMT 1
Now... is that the OP changing the thread title in order to promote his original thread? Wagner is still a managerial genius to me and always will be. I know he got us to the Premier league and I'm grateful as anyone,but wouldn't a genius of kept us up?
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Post by impact on Jun 13, 2021 0:21:36 GMT 1
Now... is that the OP changing the thread title in order to promote his original thread? Wagner is still a managerial genius to me and always will be. I know he got us to the Premier league and I'm grateful as anyone,but wouldn't a genius of kept us up? He did.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 0:50:15 GMT 1
You start with "You clearly don't have the stomach for it..." in criticism of me and now your whimping out! Then you state "No idea what there is to be deluded about either when it's an opinion." I hoped you'd realise the intrinsic stupidity within claiming "you have no idea", it's so true! However, to persistently fail to understand the significant adjectives in my replies and counting them as insults shows your sensitivity for what it is. I'm sitting soaking up a beautiful sea view after a long beach & mountain run today & you think you're getting rise out of me, don't make me laugh. Surely you saw that the "stomach for it" line was a joke/pun based on the fact you'd spelt "wasting" as "waisting"? I haven't taken any of this sensitively at all, it's been a wind up for me based on a simple joke in my opening post yet I now think I've taken it too far due to the tone of your responses so this is my last post on it. Someone that has to justify that they're doing or done this, that or the other today to prove they're happy is more than likely a bit troubled. Reply if you have the need or urge if it's going to make you feel better but I won't be responding. You can please yourself whether you reply or not, like I will please myself to pursue the integrity of fact over opinion. You will always be 'waisting' every ounce of effort on determining someone else's character & embarrassing youself in asserting that that opinion has any credibility, but crack on with your delusions if it suits you.
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Post by specialun on Jun 13, 2021 12:09:50 GMT 1
Now... is that the OP changing the thread title in order to promote his original thread? Wagner is still a managerial genius to me and always will be. I know he got us to the Premier league and I'm grateful as anyone,but wouldn't a genius of kept us up? He did?! Let’s remind ourselves Years of dross football - manager after manager averaging less than 1.2 points a game He turned up and within 2 weeks completely changed how we played football - our 0-2 defeat versus Boro at home was one of the few defeats I’ll be pleased about. He achieved more in those 2 week than our current coach has in 12 months 16/17 We were favourites to go down He created a team far superior than the sum of its parts - a structure everyone knew and understood, plan A high press, plan B low block etc When we had a set back we came back We were sluggish end of season and came back in the play offs a refreshed team We won 23 out of 24 games by 1 goal We got promoted with a negative goal difference This was a man getting the absolutely most out of those players and the team - that team’s mentality was elite Premier league season We were favourites to go down - he kept us up Half the money we spent that year secured/replaced loan players from previous season We beat Man United at home We stayed up by securing draws at champions Man City and Chelsea It was imo a better achievement than getting promoted Following season We all have our opinion on that - But after 13 games we were 14th. That in itself was a miracle. Then we played Brighton, lost Mooy etc The OP poster seems to change the title of this every day - some sort of obsession with trying to point blame to Wagner Wagner’s only fault was getting us promoted and achieving the second miracle of keeping us up - some on here and the club believed the extraordinary was the ordinary!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 13, 2021 12:19:30 GMT 1
Bang on ... wagner worked (alongside others) a modern day footballing miracle . This thread is depressing
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Post by digs on Jun 13, 2021 12:51:14 GMT 1
I know he got us to the Premier league and I'm grateful as anyone,but wouldn't a genius of kept us up? He did. Maybe of won some games before he left then?
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Post by conman on Jun 13, 2021 12:52:25 GMT 1
I know he got us to the Premier league and I'm grateful as anyone,but wouldn't a genius of kept us up? He did?! Let’s remind ourselves Years of dross football - manager after manager averaging less than 1.2 points a game He turned up and within 2 weeks completely changed how we played football - our 0-2 defeat versus Boro at home was one of the few defeats I’ll be pleased about. He achieved more in those 2 week than our current coach has in 12 months 16/17 We were favourites to go down He created a team far superior than the sum of its parts - a structure everyone knew and understood, plan A high press, plan B low block etc When we had a set back we came back We were sluggish end of season and came back in the play offs a refreshed team We won 23 out of 24 games by 1 goal We got promoted with a negative goal difference This was a man getting the absolutely most out of those players and the team - that team’s mentality was elite Premier league season We were favourites to go down - he kept us up Half the money we spent that year secured/replaced loan players from previous season We beat Man United at home We stayed up by securing draws at champions Man City and Chelsea It was imo a better achievement than getting promoted Following season We all have our opinion on that - But after 13 games we were 14th. That in itself was a miracle. Then we played Brighton, lost Mooy etc The OP poster seems to change the title of this every day - some sort of obsession with trying to point blame to Wagner Wagner’s only fault was getting us promoted and achieving the second miracle of keeping us up - some on here and the club believed the extraordinary was the ordinary! Top post..
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Post by nicovaesen on Jun 13, 2021 13:15:39 GMT 1
Completely unrelated to a degree but didn’t want to create a new thread however, I was thinking, does anyone have or know the whereabouts of two videos I saw a while back. One is the “he’s here he’s there he’s fucking everywhere” Jonny Hogg video where he orchestrated it after the Chelsea game and the hefele one where he’s singing it shit faced walking through the dressing room? Any help greatly appreciated, need cheering up
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jun 13, 2021 13:41:31 GMT 1
I know he got us to the Premier league and I'm grateful as anyone,but wouldn't a genius of kept us up? He did?! Let’s remind ourselves Years of dross football - manager after manager averaging less than 1.2 points a game He turned up and within 2 weeks completely changed how we played football - our 0-2 defeat versus Boro at home was one of the few defeats I’ll be pleased about. He achieved more in those 2 week than our current coach has in 12 months 16/17 We were favourites to go down He created a team far superior than the sum of its parts - a structure everyone knew and understood, plan A high press, plan B low block etc When we had a set back we came back We were sluggish end of season and came back in the play offs a refreshed team We won 23 out of 24 games by 1 goal We got promoted with a negative goal difference This was a man getting the absolutely most out of those players and the team - that team’s mentality was elite Premier league season We were favourites to go down - he kept us up Half the money we spent that year secured/replaced loan players from previous season We beat Man United at home We stayed up by securing draws at champions Man City and Chelsea It was imo a better achievement than getting promoted Following season We all have our opinion on that - But after 13 games we were 14th. That in itself was a miracle. Then we played Brighton, lost Mooy etc The OP poster seems to change the title of this every day - some sort of obsession with trying to point blame to Wagner Wagner’s only fault was getting us promoted and achieving the second miracle of keeping us up - some on here and the club believed the extraordinary was the ordinary! For the record, I've changed the title ONCE. If you actually read my OP you'll see that I give DW a lot of credit for what he helped to achieve.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 13:58:04 GMT 1
I know he got us to the Premier league and I'm grateful as anyone,but wouldn't a genius of kept us up? He did?! Let’s remind ourselves Years of dross football - manager after manager averaging less than 1.2 points a game He turned up and within 2 weeks completely changed how we played football - our 0-2 defeat versus Boro at home was one of the few defeats I’ll be pleased about. He achieved more in those 2 week than our current coach has in 12 months 16/17 We were favourites to go down He created a team far superior than the sum of its parts - a structure everyone knew and understood, plan A high press, plan B low block etc When we had a set back we came back We were sluggish end of season and came back in the play offs a refreshed team We won 23 out of 24 games by 1 goal We got promoted with a negative goal difference This was a man getting the absolutely most out of those players and the team - that team’s mentality was elite Premier league season We were favourites to go down - he kept us up Half the money we spent that year secured/replaced loan players from previous season We beat Man United at home We stayed up by securing draws at champions Man City and Chelsea It was imo a better achievement than getting promoted Following season We all have our opinion on that - But after 13 games we were 14th. That in itself was a miracle. Then we played Brighton, lost Mooy etc The OP poster seems to change the title of this every day - some sort of obsession with trying to point blame to Wagner Wagner’s only fault was getting us promoted and achieving the second miracle of keeping us up - some on here and the club believed the extraordinary was the ordinary! I agree with everything except the last two paragraphs, as DW, IMO, had other faults. He leveraged his position by being interested in other clubs. He lost part of the dressing room 2nd prem season, not entirely his fault though as some of the players had questionable attitudes. He approved player purchases that were expensive & poor. He didn't acquire a credible 10 or effective wingers that were essential for plan A, not entirely his fault as availability, funds, recruitment team & other reasonable principles had a bearing. He lost focus, determination and the will to see it threw when adversity overwhelmed him. I don't see the OP trying blame DW, I see him trying add some perspective to the constant blaming of almost everyone but DW.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 13, 2021 14:01:56 GMT 1
"Through " .. back to school Steve .
"He lost part of the dressing room 2nd prem season, not entirely his fault though as some of the players had questionable attitudes" FACT ? EVIDENCE ?
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jun 13, 2021 14:33:09 GMT 1
He did?! Let’s remind ourselves Years of dross football - manager after manager averaging less than 1.2 points a game He turned up and within 2 weeks completely changed how we played football - our 0-2 defeat versus Boro at home was one of the few defeats I’ll be pleased about. He achieved more in those 2 week than our current coach has in 12 months 16/17 We were favourites to go down He created a team far superior than the sum of its parts - a structure everyone knew and understood, plan A high press, plan B low block etc When we had a set back we came back We were sluggish end of season and came back in the play offs a refreshed team We won 23 out of 24 games by 1 goal We got promoted with a negative goal difference This was a man getting the absolutely most out of those players and the team - that team’s mentality was elite Premier league season We were favourites to go down - he kept us up Half the money we spent that year secured/replaced loan players from previous season We beat Man United at home We stayed up by securing draws at champions Man City and Chelsea It was imo a better achievement than getting promoted Following season We all have our opinion on that - But after 13 games we were 14th. That in itself was a miracle. Then we played Brighton, lost Mooy etc The OP poster seems to change the title of this every day - some sort of obsession with trying to point blame to Wagner Wagner’s only fault was getting us promoted and achieving the second miracle of keeping us up - some on here and the club believed the extraordinary was the ordinary! For the record, I've changed the title ONCE. If you actually read my OP you'll see that I give DW a lot of credit for what he helped to achieve. Helped? I’d say he did it pretty much on his own. What did we achieve before he arrived? What did we achieve whilst he was here? What have we achieved since he left?
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Post by El Mel on Jun 13, 2021 14:45:46 GMT 1
For the record, I've changed the title ONCE. If you actually read my OP you'll see that I give DW a lot of credit for what he helped to achieve. Helped? I’d say he did it pretty much on his own. What did we achieve before he arrived? What did we achieve whilst he was here? What have we achieved since he left? I can't believe people think it was solely down to DW. I do know though, that there's no point in trying to convince those people otherwise. "There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know.
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Post by Torquayterrier on Jun 13, 2021 14:50:21 GMT 1
For the record, I've changed the title ONCE. If you actually read my OP you'll see that I give DW a lot of credit for what he helped to achieve. Helped? I’d say he did it pretty much on his own. What did we achieve before he arrived? What did we achieve whilst he was here? What have we achieved since he left? Perhaps for the fuller story there should be 'What has he achieved since he left?' in the list too?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 14:51:06 GMT 1
"Through " .. back to school Steve . "He lost part of the dressing room 2nd prem season, not entirely his fault though as some of the players had questionable attitudes" FACT ? EVIDENCE ? player comments.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 13, 2021 14:52:27 GMT 1
"Through " .. back to school Steve . "He lost part of the dressing room 2nd prem season, not entirely his fault though as some of the players had questionable attitudes" FACT ? EVIDENCE ? player comments. Thats a cop out mate
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 14:53:27 GMT 1
Actually it hits the nail right on the head!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 13, 2021 14:54:46 GMT 1
Actually it hits the nail right on the head! God you talk crap .. players comments where ? When? Links ? Ps "losing the dressing room " is a subjective opinion and usually perpetuated by players who aren't getting into the first team
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jun 13, 2021 14:59:10 GMT 1
Helped? I’d say he did it pretty much on his own. What did we achieve before he arrived? What did we achieve whilst he was here? What have we achieved since he left? I can't believe people think it was solely down to DW. I do know though, that there's no point in trying to convince those people otherwise. "There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. Who did more then Mel? Webber deserves credit. Moss did well. Buhler etc have very good support. Hoyle was clueless. Our only success came when he stopped making decisions and got proper football blokes in. Then he started interfering again, drove them away and it all went sour.
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Post by impact on Jun 13, 2021 15:34:30 GMT 1
Helped? I’d say he did it pretty much on his own. What did we achieve before he arrived? What did we achieve whilst he was here? What have we achieved since he left? I can't believe people think it was solely down to DW. I do know though, that there's no point in trying to convince those people otherwise. "There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. Whilst he didn't do it on his own, he earned far, far more credit than any other person involved. I genuinely don't think any other manager would have done what he did with the tools he had available.
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Post by Amigo on Jun 13, 2021 15:38:21 GMT 1
Actually it hits the nail right on the head! God you talk crap .. players comments where ? When? Links ? Ps "losing the dressing room " is a subjective opinion and usually perpetuated by players who aren't getting into the first team You have to remember Steve only deals in FACTS so it's absolutely true that players were telling everyone that will listen (apart from those that didn't hear them or have the same dream...) that Wagner had lost them and it is absolutely not his opinion. He said himself - "It's quite pathetic that anyone would contend that their opinion, or anyone's, would be superior to fact. Quintessentially both arrogant & stupid!"
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 13, 2021 15:59:28 GMT 1
God you talk crap .. players comments where ? When? Links ? Ps "losing the dressing room " is a subjective opinion and usually perpetuated by players who aren't getting into the first team You have to remember Steve only deals in FACTS so it's absolutely true that players were telling everyone that will listen (apart from those that didn't hear them or have the same dream...) that Wagner had lost them and it is absolutely not his opinion. He said himself - "It's quite pathetic that anyone would contend that their opinion, or anyone's, would be superior to fact. Quintessentially both arrogant & stupid!" His perception of what is and isn't a fact is somewhat skewed though . I can't forget the 10 pages of abuse we got on the covid thread for daring to question his FACT that the UK was the second best prepared country in the world for a pandemic . I hope he was watching Dominic cummings giving evidence the other week and stating that this claim was built on a false premise and was therefore nonsense
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 16:14:28 GMT 1
Actually it hits the nail right on the head! God you talk crap .. players comments where ? When? Links ? Ps "losing the dressing room " is a subjective opinion and usually perpetuated by players who aren't getting into the first team Billing. Are trying to say only 1st team players are part of the dressing room.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 13, 2021 16:17:34 GMT 1
God you talk crap .. players comments where ? When? Links ? Ps "losing the dressing room " is a subjective opinion and usually perpetuated by players who aren't getting into the first team Billing. Are trying to say only 1st team players are part of the dressing room. Have you got the quote from Billing that Wagner lost the dressing room ? If you haven't that's the end of the road for your argument. If you have wouldn't you agree that this was the OPINION of someone who would maybe now reflect didn't cover himself in glory at the time with his shite attitude? As opposed to a FACT ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 16:18:43 GMT 1
God you talk crap .. players comments where ? When? Links ? Ps "losing the dressing room " is a subjective opinion and usually perpetuated by players who aren't getting into the first team You have to remember Steve only deals in FACTS so it's absolutely true that players were telling everyone that will listen (apart from those that didn't hear them or have the same dream...) that Wagner had lost them and it is absolutely not his opinion. He said himself - "It's quite pathetic that anyone would contend that their opinion, or anyone's, would be superior to fact. Quintessentially both arrogant & stupid!" It doesn't impress when you misquote! Do you know what IMO referred to? Plagiarism is not a good effort.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 16:26:19 GMT 1
You have to remember Steve only deals in FACTS so it's absolutely true that players were telling everyone that will listen (apart from those that didn't hear them or have the same dream...) that Wagner had lost them and it is absolutely not his opinion. He said himself - "It's quite pathetic that anyone would contend that their opinion, or anyone's, would be superior to fact. Quintessentially both arrogant & stupid!" His perception of what is and isn't a fact is somewhat skewed though . I can't forget the 10 pages of abuse we got on the covid thread for daring to question his FACT that the UK was the second best prepared country in the world for a pandemic . I hope he was watching Dominic cummings giving evidence the other week and stating that this claim was built on a false premise and was therefore nonsense Total bollocks, I was quoting a recognised study that preceded covid, Cummings comments were on how it was actually handled, I criticised the handling of covid.
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Post by Amigo on Jun 13, 2021 16:29:56 GMT 1
You have to remember Steve only deals in FACTS so it's absolutely true that players were telling everyone that will listen (apart from those that didn't hear them or have the same dream...) that Wagner had lost them and it is absolutely not his opinion. He said himself - "It's quite pathetic that anyone would contend that their opinion, or anyone's, would be superior to fact. Quintessentially both arrogant & stupid!" It doesn't impress when you misquote! Do you know what IMO referred to? Plagiarism is not a good effort. The bit I quoted was copy and pasted from your post. Have a look back.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 13, 2021 16:35:14 GMT 1
His perception of what is and isn't a fact is somewhat skewed though . I can't forget the 10 pages of abuse we got on the covid thread for daring to question his FACT that the UK was the second best prepared country in the world for a pandemic . I hope he was watching Dominic cummings giving evidence the other week and stating that this claim was built on a false premise and was therefore nonsense Total bollocks, I was quoting a recognised study that preceded covid, Cummings comments were on how it was actually handled, I criticised the handling of covid. Youre wrong. Watch his evidence or read the transcript. AFTER you've found us all the Billing quote
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Post by andyeastleake on Jun 13, 2021 17:01:32 GMT 1
God you talk crap .. players comments where ? When? Links ? Ps "losing the dressing room " is a subjective opinion and usually perpetuated by players who aren't getting into the first team Billing. Are trying to say only 1st team players are part of the dressing room. If Wagner had "Lost" Billing (which TBH I don't see at all)..... ....how on earth would you describe the position & Billing's efforts under Siewert?.......
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