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Post by andyeastleake on Jun 13, 2021 17:05:20 GMT 1
I can't believe people think it was solely down to DW. I do know though, that there's no point in trying to convince those people otherwise. "There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. I'm not sure ANYONE thinks it was solely down to David Wagner..... ....but I REALLY can't understand anyone who thinks it wasn't primarily down to DW (or at least he was the biggest factor)... ...although TBF that just seems to be you, Pete & Steve ......
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 17:23:56 GMT 1
Helped? I’d say he did it pretty much on his own. What did we achieve before he arrived? What did we achieve whilst he was here? What have we achieved since he left? I can't believe people think it was solely down to DW. I do know though, that there's no point in trying to convince those people otherwise. "There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. Over and over again you keep alluding to the idea that DW was almost incidental to what happened. Go on then. This is your chance. In precise detail, please spell out the people who made a difference between the season Powell started in the championship and the season Wagner did. You've got to welcome such an opportunity to set the record straight?
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Post by Mr Breitside on Jun 13, 2021 17:36:57 GMT 1
I can't believe people think it was solely down to DW. I do know though, that there's no point in trying to convince those people otherwise. "There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. I'm not sure ANYONE thinks it was solely down to David Wagner..... ....but I REALLY can't understand anyone who thinks it wasn't primarily down to DW (or at least he was the biggest factor)... ...although TBF that just seems to be you, Pete & Steve ...... A great summary on both counts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 17:48:02 GMT 1
It doesn't impress when you misquote! Do you know what IMO referred to? Plagiarism is not a good effort. The bit I quoted was copy and pasted from your post. Have a look back. The bit you quoted was the plagiarism. The misquote I referred to was you twisting my meaning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 17:53:28 GMT 1
I can't believe people think it was solely down to DW. I do know though, that there's no point in trying to convince those people otherwise. "There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. I'm not sure ANYONE thinks it was solely down to David Wagner..... ....but I REALLY can't understand anyone who thinks it wasn't primarily down to DW (or at least he was the biggest factor)... ...although TBF that just seems to be you, Pete, Mel & Steve ...... Perhaps only Pete, Mel & I are referring to good memories of the period. Others certainly display aspects of selective memory syndrome.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 17:58:22 GMT 1
Billing. Are trying to say only 1st team players are part of the dressing room. If Wagner had "Lost" Billing (which TBH I don't see at all)..... ....how on earth would you describe the position & Billing's efforts under Siewert?....... A continuation of disengagement with the challenges, which stooped to previously unseen levels.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 18:01:17 GMT 1
Total bollocks, I was quoting a recognised study that preceded covid, Cummings comments were on how it was actually handled, I criticised the handling of covid. Youre wrong. Watch his evidence or read the transcript. AFTER you've found us all the Billing quote I haven't given an opinion on Cummings evidence, you just lost the plot.
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Jun 13, 2021 18:11:53 GMT 1
I can't believe people think it was solely down to DW. I do know though, that there's no point in trying to convince those people otherwise. "There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. I'm not sure ANYONE thinks it was solely down to David Wagner..... ....but I REALLY can't understand anyone who thinks it wasn't primarily down to DW (or at least he was the biggest factor)... ...although TBF that just seems to be you, Pete & Steve ...... DW was the biggest factor in getting us to the Premier Leagur. Not sure where you think I've stated, hinted or suggested otherwise?
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Post by Amigo on Jun 13, 2021 18:24:31 GMT 1
The bit I quoted was copy and pasted from your post. Have a look back. The bit you quoted was the plagiarism. The misquote I referred to was you twisting my meaning. I can't figure out if you are actually in a bit of a dark place or you just love arguing. I'd probably just go back to swimming with dolphins or running through a field of daisies or what ever else you've been done today because coming on here doesn't half seem to get you riled.
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Post by El Mel on Jun 13, 2021 18:37:22 GMT 1
I can't believe people think it was solely down to DW. I do know though, that there's no point in trying to convince those people otherwise. "There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. Over and over again you keep alluding to the idea that DW was almost incidental to what happened.
Go on then. This is your chance. In precise detail, please spell out the people who made a difference between the season Powell started in the championship and the season Wagner did. You've got to welcome such an opportunity to set the record straight? No I don't, but if you don't support Huddersfield Town, Wagner did no more for the club than Paul Jewell did for Bradford, and Ian Holloway did for Blackpool. From the outside looking in, that's what he achieved.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 13, 2021 18:56:19 GMT 1
Over and over again you keep alluding to the idea that DW was almost incidental to what happened.
Go on then. This is your chance. In precise detail, please spell out the people who made a difference between the season Powell started in the championship and the season Wagner did. You've got to welcome such an opportunity to set the record straight? No I don't, but if you don't support Huddersfield Town, Wagner did no more for the club than Paul Jewell did for Bradford, and Ian Holloway did for Blackpool. From the outside looking in, that's what he achieved. Neither Wigan or Bradford went up to the Premier League when the chasm between the Championship and PL was so wide. In a minuscule amount of time, Wagner transformed this football club and there is no way that either Bradford or Wigan experienced such a togetherness between club and fans. In addition to this, as mentioned by Gary Neville on Sky, numerous times, we had the best atmosphere in our ground in the Premier League. There’s been hundreds of pages on this forum documenting our demise since these times and I find it very sad that some people choose to soil the achievements of a man who managed to give so much joy to Huddersfield Town supporters.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 18:58:32 GMT 1
The bit you quoted was the plagiarism. The misquote I referred to was you twisting my meaning. I can't figure out if you are actually in a bit of a dark place or you just love arguing. I'd probably just go back to swimming with dolphins or running through a field of daisies or what ever else you've been done today because coming on here doesn't half seem to get you riled. It's only yesterday you claimed you weren't sensitive, but you assert I'm riled. Only an extremely sensitive person could interpret my unambiguous language in such a way. I referred to your accuracies, you clearly haven't understood and are clutching at straws!
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 13, 2021 18:59:30 GMT 1
No I don't, but if you don't support Huddersfield Town, Wagner did no more for the club than Paul Jewell did for Bradford, and Ian Holloway did for Blackpool. From the outside looking in, that's what he achieved. Neither Wigan or Bradford went up to the Premier League when the chasm between the Championship and PL was so wide. In a minuscule amount of time, Wagner transformed this football club and there is no way that either Bradford or Wigan experienced such a togetherness between club and fans. In addition to this, as mentioned by Gary Neville on Sky, numerous times, we had the best atmosphere in our ground in the Premier League. There’s been hundreds of pages on this forum documenting our demise since these times and I find it very sad that some people choose to soil the achievements of a man who managed to give so much joy to Huddersfield Town supporters. Edit: Obviously I meant Blackpool not Wigan.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 19:05:03 GMT 1
No I don't, but if you don't support Huddersfield Town, Wagner did no more for the club than Paul Jewell did for Bradford, and Ian Holloway did for Blackpool. From the outside looking in, that's what he achieved. Neither Wigan or Bradford went up to the Premier League when the chasm between the Championship and PL was so wide. In a minuscule amount of time, Wagner transformed this football club and there is no way that either Bradford or Wigan experienced such a togetherness between club and fans. In addition to this, as mentioned by Gary Neville on Sky, numerous times, we had the best atmosphere in our ground in the Premier League. There’s been hundreds of pages on this forum documenting our demise since these times and I find it very sad that some people choose to soil the achievements of a man who managed to give so much joy to Huddersfield Town supporters. Context is important. I don't see anyone denying DWs achievements, but some get carried away in suggesting the support was down the DW, but the demise was down to others. The support was down to DH, pricing policy, South Stand progress & DW management.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 19:05:28 GMT 1
Over and over again you keep alluding to the idea that DW was almost incidental to what happened.
Go on then. This is your chance. In precise detail, please spell out the people who made a difference between the season Powell started in the championship and the season Wagner did. You've got to welcome such an opportunity to set the record straight? No I don't, but if you don't support Huddersfield Town, Wagner did no more for the club than Paul Jewell did for Bradford, and Ian Holloway did for Blackpool. From the outside looking in, that's what he achieved. Go on then. You keep saying he was the missing piece of the jigsaw. Here's your opportunity: Fill in the rest of the puzzle.
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Post by El Mel on Jun 13, 2021 19:05:30 GMT 1
No I don't, but if you don't support Huddersfield Town, Wagner did no more for the club than Paul Jewell did for Bradford, and Ian Holloway did for Blackpool. From the outside looking in, that's what he achieved. Neither Wigan or Bradford went up to the Premier League when the chasm between the Championship and PL was so wide. In a minuscule amount of time, Wagner transformed this football club and there is no way that either Bradford or Wigan experienced such a togetherness between club and fans. In addition to this, as mentioned by Gary Neville on Sky, numerous times, we had the best atmosphere in our ground in the Premier League.There’s been hundreds of pages on this forum documenting our demise since these times and I find it very sad that some people choose to soil the achievements of a man who managed to give so much joy to Huddersfield Town supporters. And why was that? Do you think it was down to Wagner, or do you think it was down to the fans getting a foothold in the South Stand, and the effort that went in to generating that atmosphere around the ground. Do you know David Wagner asked the NSL to re-locate to the FM lower for the games against the teams that would bring large away followings in the season we were promoted to the Premier League? The NSL refused of course. Maybe that was the fine line between getting to the play offs or missing out? I'm not saying it was, but it would have definitely been a factor. Michael Hefele's 89th winner was fucking dream. Infront of 2000 Leeds fans instead of 4000.....
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Post by Amigo on Jun 13, 2021 19:23:21 GMT 1
I can't figure out if you are actually in a bit of a dark place or you just love arguing. I'd probably just go back to swimming with dolphins or running through a field of daisies or what ever else you've been done today because coming on here doesn't half seem to get you riled. It's only yesterday you claimed you weren't sensitive, but you assert I'm riled. Only an extremely sensitive person could interpret my unambiguous language in such a way. I referred to your accuracies, you clearly haven't understood and are clutching at straws! Not sure I've been sensitive anywhere, I'm certainly not going to get sensitive about a message board, for you even to imply that says more about you than me. You come across riled with the need to reply to anyone and anything with your fake facts. Clutching at straws about what? I'm not even have an argument with you about anything yet you still persist about talking about accuracies and facts? You're having an argument with yourself. I now imagine you to either be around 5 foot 6 or under or have very small feet.
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jun 13, 2021 19:29:58 GMT 1
Neither Wigan or Bradford went up to the Premier League when the chasm between the Championship and PL was so wide. In a minuscule amount of time, Wagner transformed this football club and there is no way that either Bradford or Wigan experienced such a togetherness between club and fans. In addition to this, as mentioned by Gary Neville on Sky, numerous times, we had the best atmosphere in our ground in the Premier League.There’s been hundreds of pages on this forum documenting our demise since these times and I find it very sad that some people choose to soil the achievements of a man who managed to give so much joy to Huddersfield Town supporters. And why was that? Do you think it was down to Wagner, or do you think it was down to the fans getting a foothold in the South Stand, and the effort that went in to generating that atmosphere around the ground. Do you know David Wagner asked the NSL to re-locate to the FM lower for the games against the teams that would bring large away followings in the season we were promoted to the Premier League? The NSL refused of course. Maybe that was the fine line between getting to the play offs or missing out? I'm not saying it was, but it would have definitely been a factor. Michael Hefele's 89th winner was fucking dream. Infront of 2000 Leeds fans instead of 4000..... Sounds like DW just wanted the fans to see the Hef’s winner from behind the goal it went in, not 100yds away. The guy was a visionary. But yeah, banner makers did as much as Wagner.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 13, 2021 19:37:20 GMT 1
Neither Wigan or Bradford went up to the Premier League when the chasm between the Championship and PL was so wide. In a minuscule amount of time, Wagner transformed this football club and there is no way that either Bradford or Wigan experienced such a togetherness between club and fans. In addition to this, as mentioned by Gary Neville on Sky, numerous times, we had the best atmosphere in our ground in the Premier League.There’s been hundreds of pages on this forum documenting our demise since these times and I find it very sad that some people choose to soil the achievements of a man who managed to give so much joy to Huddersfield Town supporters. And why was that? Do you think it was down to Wagner, or do you think it was down to the fans getting a foothold in the South Stand, and the effort that went in to generating that atmosphere around the ground. Do you know David Wagner asked the NSL to re-locate to the FM lower for the games against the teams that would bring large away followings in the season we were promoted to the Premier League? The NSL refused of course. Maybe that was the fine line between getting to the play offs or missing out? I'm not saying it was, but it would have definitely been a factor. Michael Hefele's 89th winner was fucking dream. Infront of 2000 Leeds fans instead of 4000..... I’d never deny the wonderful efforts of the NSL. Wagner nor anyone else could not have anticipated how special the atmosphere in the ground would be in the PL. No doubt about it, the fans played a major part in what was achieved. Which is why of course, our decline since, has hit many of us so hard.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 19:37:34 GMT 1
It's only yesterday you claimed you weren't sensitive, but you assert I'm riled. Only an extremely sensitive person could interpret my unambiguous language in such a way. I referred to your accuracies, you clearly haven't understood and are clutching at straws! Not sure I've been sensitive anywhere, I'm certainly not going to get sensitive about a message board, for you even to imply that says more about you than me. You come across riled with the need to reply to anyone and anything with your fake facts. Clutching at straws about what? I'm not even have an argument with you about anything yet you still persist about talking about accuracies and facts? You're having an argument with yourself. I now imagine you to either be around 5 foot 6 or under or have very small feet. There you go again, missing the point, clutching at straws. You can't even own up to the concept of having an argument, ridiculously claiming I'm arguing with myself. You've got an opinion on my size now, you'll be wanting a pissing up the wall competition next to claim your superiority. Try manning up.
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Post by El Mel on Jun 13, 2021 19:38:37 GMT 1
And why was that? Do you think it was down to Wagner, or do you think it was down to the fans getting a foothold in the South Stand, and the effort that went in to generating that atmosphere around the ground. Do you know David Wagner asked the NSL to re-locate to the FM lower for the games against the teams that would bring large away followings in the season we were promoted to the Premier League? The NSL refused of course. Maybe that was the fine line between getting to the play offs or missing out? I'm not saying it was, but it would have definitely been a factor. Michael Hefele's 89th winner was fucking dream. Infront of 2000 Leeds fans instead of 4000..... Sounds like DW just wanted the fans to see the Hef’s winner from behind the goal it went in, not 100yds away. The guy was a visionary. But yeah, banner makers did as much as Wagner. Condescending fuckwit
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 19:38:46 GMT 1
I can't believe people think it was solely down to DW. I do know though, that there's no point in trying to convince those people otherwise. "There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. Over and over again you keep alluding to the idea that DW was almost incidental to what happened. Go on then. This is your chance. In precise detail, please spell out the people who made a difference between the season Powell started in the championship and the season Wagner did. You've got to welcome such an opportunity to set the record straight? I've noted that you've replied to this thread, but still ignored my post. I'll make it easy for you. In the season we went up with a wage bill that was 4th lowest in the league, please fill in the blanks re: the missing pieces we need to thank - those who were put in place during the Powell days - who were more influential than Wagner: Fill in the blanks.... 1........ 2......... 3......... 4......... 5.......... 6......... 7........ 8......... 9........... 10. David Wagner
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jun 13, 2021 19:44:09 GMT 1
Youre wrong. Watch his evidence or read the transcript. AFTER you've found us all the Billing quote I haven't given an opinion on Cummings evidence, you just lost the plot. The Cummins evidence totally destroys the notion re us being the 2nd best prepared covid country in the world. Sensible people told you that 14 months ago and you just swore at us all . I wasn't going to mention it till you started goading everyone.. you found this Billing "evidential fact " yet ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 19:44:12 GMT 1
And why was that? Do you think it was down to Wagner, or do you think it was down to the fans getting a foothold in the South Stand, and the effort that went in to generating that atmosphere around the ground. Do you know David Wagner asked the NSL to re-locate to the FM lower for the games against the teams that would bring large away followings in the season we were promoted to the Premier League? The NSL refused of course. Maybe that was the fine line between getting to the play offs or missing out? I'm not saying it was, but it would have definitely been a factor. Michael Hefele's 89th winner was fucking dream. Infront of 2000 Leeds fans instead of 4000..... I’d never deny the wonderful efforts of the NSL. Wagner nor anyone else could not have anticipated how special the atmosphere in the ground would be in the PL. No doubt about it, the fans played a major part in what was achieved. Which is why of course, our decline since, has hit many of us so hard. I would contend our decline did not hit fans so hard, humour in the song Orient away. What has hit hard is the negativity on social media, many of whom I doubt attend or are disafected glory hunters from promotion.
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jun 13, 2021 19:44:35 GMT 1
Sounds like DW just wanted the fans to see the Hef’s winner from behind the goal it went in, not 100yds away. The guy was a visionary. But yeah, banner makers did as much as Wagner. Condescending fuckwit Haha! If you want a medal, write to the club and the EFL. Don’t come spouting bollocks on here claiming our former manager wasn’t as good as some think because an administrative decision about where folk sat was a decisive factor in our success.
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Post by Amigo on Jun 13, 2021 19:48:25 GMT 1
Not sure I've been sensitive anywhere, I'm certainly not going to get sensitive about a message board, for you even to imply that says more about you than me. You come across riled with the need to reply to anyone and anything with your fake facts. Clutching at straws about what? I'm not even have an argument with you about anything yet you still persist about talking about accuracies and facts? You're having an argument with yourself. I now imagine you to either be around 5 foot 6 or under or have very small feet. There you go again, missing the point, clutching at straws. You can't even own up to the concept of having an argument, ridiculously claiming I'm arguing with myself. You've got an opinion on my size now, you'll be wanting a pissing up the wall competition next to claim your superiority. Try manning up. What argument, this started because I made a pun about your post I don't you even know what you're arguing about or who you're arguing with. You're far too easy, killed a few minutes of my day anyway. Thanks for your time.
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Post by El Mel on Jun 13, 2021 19:49:50 GMT 1
Haha! If you want a medal, write to the club and the EFL. Don’t come spouting bollocks on here claiming our former manager wasn’t as good as some think because an administrative decision about where folk sat was a decisive factor in our success. You have no idea of the pieces of the jigsaw that came together to get the club to the PL buddy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2021 19:50:48 GMT 1
Over and over again you keep alluding to the idea that DW was almost incidental to what happened. Go on then. This is your chance. In precise detail, please spell out the people who made a difference between the season Powell started in the championship and the season Wagner did. You've got to welcome such an opportunity to set the record straight? I've noted that you've replied to this thread, but still ignored my post. I'll make it easy for you. In the season we went up with a wage bill that was 4th lowest in the league, please fill in the blanks re: the missing pieces we need to thank - those who were put in place during the Powell days - who were more influential than Wagner: Fill in the blanks.... 1........ 2......... 3......... 4......... 5.......... 6......... 7........ 8......... 9........... 10. David Wagner For context, you said: "So many factors in our success, Wagner was one of them but the miracle started way before DW walked in the building"
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jun 13, 2021 19:51:05 GMT 1
I’d never deny the wonderful efforts of the NSL. Wagner nor anyone else could not have anticipated how special the atmosphere in the ground would be in the PL. No doubt about it, the fans played a major part in what was achieved. Which is why of course, our decline since, has hit many of us so hard. I would contend our decline did not hit fans so hard, humour in the song Orient away. What has hit hard is the negativity on social media, many of whom I doubt attend or are disafected glory hunters from promotion. See your point and undoubtedly this is correct re the glory seekers. But strongly disagree that long term fans have not been hit hard. I’m still absolutely seething about it - but after such a crap 18 months I’ve decided to move on and look forward to the new season with as much optimism as possible.
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Post by Toxic Ted on Jun 13, 2021 19:52:31 GMT 1
Haha! If you want a medal, write to the club and the EFL. Don’t come spouting bollocks on here claiming our former manager wasn’t as good as some think because an administrative decision about where folk sat was a decisive factor in our success. You have no idea of the pieces of the jigsaw that came together to get the club to the PL buddy. Feel free to list them and educate me 👍
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