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Post by turbo2 on Jul 19, 2022 22:14:06 GMT 1
So well done Town for getting Sorba onto a new deal. Toffs be good for Forest for 3 years once back in Champs, although paying through the nose for him. Lack of pace and dodgy defending make him a mile off a prem player. Had a superb run with goals and assists but I'm far from sure that form would have continued. Hoping Ruffles can become better than Toffs is now, in time. We need to shoe a little patience with him if he gets the nod to start. That’ll be the same patience as the masses showed turton then. Lol. Not a chance. He’s target number one if he starts at left back.
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Post by space hardware on Jul 19, 2022 22:15:26 GMT 1
Meh.
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Post by sykeylad on Jul 19, 2022 22:22:57 GMT 1
So well done Town for getting Sorba onto a new deal. Toffs be good for Forest for 3 years once back in Champs, although paying through the nose for him. Lack of pace and dodgy defending make him a mile off a prem player. Had a superb run with goals and assists but I'm far from sure that form would have continued. Hoping Ruffles can become better than Toffs is now, in time. We need to shoe a little patience with him if he gets the nod to start. That’ll be the same patience as the masses showed turton then. Lol. Not a chance. He’s target number one if he starts at left back. That's sort of why I put the comment. Most negative voices just want to be in the pack, I suspect, and so the more the quiet majority speak up voices of support the less the toxicity.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 19, 2022 22:27:32 GMT 1
Controversial opinion but I think the twigs will shock a few people can see them finishing 15/16th I fecking well hope not… They’ll become even more fecking unbearable. Not sure that Nottingham is a big enough city for the PL though. They’ll oblige them a season or two because of Cloughie and then be happy for them to drift back to the Championship.
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Post by shawsie on Jul 19, 2022 22:37:39 GMT 1
I hope Toffolo nosedives into a career of absolute shite Why? Cost us a modest sum....played well for us.....and got a great move earning us alot more than we paid. Contrast that with the sprinters, pritchard et al......by comparison hes a god! We are disappointed yes but its up to the owner and mgmt team to regroup and bring in new blood to improve us. As i recall dean told the previous head coach "give me a problem"......he did abd has now left. Not long now to see whether more problems or excitement await.
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Post by Lightcliffe Terrier on Jul 19, 2022 22:42:26 GMT 1
Controversial opinion but I think the twigs will shock a few people can see them finishing 15/16th A rumour they’ve offered Lingard £180k week and might get him. Certainly going for it if true
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Post by boooothy on Jul 19, 2022 22:49:21 GMT 1
I predict he will play very little and end up back on loan to us with Forest paying 3/4 of his wages.
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Post by blanquiazules on Jul 19, 2022 22:50:46 GMT 1
Controversial opinion but I think the twigs will shock a few people can see them finishing 15/16th Us, Sheff U and Brentford all survived the first season so there’s every chance they will too. The second always seems harder (unless you are Norwich or Watford).
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 19, 2022 22:52:18 GMT 1
That’ll be the same patience as the masses showed turton then. Lol. Not a chance. He’s target number one if he starts at left back. That's sort of why I put the comment. Most negative voices just want to be in the pack, I suspect, and so the more the quiet majority speak up voices of support the less the toxicity. Yeah I backed turton from day 1. He was brought in as backup to pipa and was the brunt of the abuse for months before folk realised he was actually a decent player. Even then they just use the ‘how much he improved bollox. When in reality he was ok from day 1
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 19, 2022 23:06:29 GMT 1
I would add his mentality to that. I think he'll keep improving and be top half prem eventually. Harry Kane is the prime example; sheer mentality. Yep, people assuming he won’t improve from where he is now. He’s 23 and got about 4/5 years til he ‘peaks’ - I’ve made a bet that he’ll make an England squad at some point with my mates and I’m sticking to it 😂😂 I just hope it’s after he signs for a less scabby team after Forest get relegated next season You think he'll suddenly learn how to spot and play a pass 🤔
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Post by harris on Jul 19, 2022 23:09:02 GMT 1
Yep, people assuming he won’t improve from where he is now. He’s 23 and got about 4/5 years til he ‘peaks’ - I’ve made a bet that he’ll make an England squad at some point with my mates and I’m sticking to it 😂😂 I just hope it’s after he signs for a less scabby team after Forest get relegated next season You think he'll suddenly learn how to spot and play a pass 🤔 He learnt that about 3 years ago and has been our best and most consistent player since - I get it’s easier to try and move on if we pretend he was average but come on, he was outstanding
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 19, 2022 23:12:33 GMT 1
I'm not disappointed about both of them leaving because it was completely expected but I am disappointed that O'Brien is going to Forest. He could have done much better It didn't look like he had a ton of offers. It is a big step up and if he does well, and Forest go down, he will possibly have more choices. I think both he and Toffolo are good Championship players. Nobody can predict how they will fare in the Prem. I hope they do well, both seem likeable blokes and always gave their all for Town.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Jul 19, 2022 23:15:47 GMT 1
That's sort of why I put the comment. Most negative voices just want to be in the pack, I suspect, and so the more the quiet majority speak up voices of support the less the toxicity. Yeah I backed turton from day 1. He was brought in as backup to pipa and was the brunt of the abuse for months before folk realised he was actually a decent player. Even then they just use the ‘how much he improved bollox. When in reality he was ok from day 1 I think Carlos thought the same as most fans seen as he was a bench warmer in 13 of the first 25 games even though he was our only fit recognised RB at the time. Once he found his feet he did well but you can't honestly say you were impressed by him to start with? He was miles off the pace.
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 19, 2022 23:48:01 GMT 1
Yeah I backed turton from day 1. He was brought in as backup to pipa and was the brunt of the abuse for months before folk realised he was actually a decent player. Even then they just use the ‘how much he improved bollox. When in reality he was ok from day 1 I think Carlos thought the same as most fans seen as he was a bench warmer in 13 of the first 25 games even though he was our only fit recognised RB at the time. Once he found his feet he did well but you can't honestly say you were impressed by him to start with? He was miles off the pace. I was happy with him yes. Didn’t realise he only played half the games. Was that Covid related??? Anyway, the point still stands. Town fans love to pick on someone. Sometimes they managed to win over the fans. More often they are hounded out. If josh has to start at left back then let’s support him Instead???
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Post by Big Ern on Jul 20, 2022 1:36:57 GMT 1
I hope Toffolo nosedives into a career of absolute shite Why? Cost us a modest sum....played well for us.....and got a great move earning us alot more than we paid. Contrast that with the sprinters, pritchard et al......by comparison hes a god! We are disappointed yes but its up to the owner and mgmt team to regroup and bring in new blood to improve us. As i recall dean told the previous head coach "give me a problem"......he did abd has now left. Not long now to see whether more problems or excitement await. Cos he thought he was Billy big bollocks that's why.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 20, 2022 5:05:38 GMT 1
You think he'll suddenly learn how to spot and play a pass 🤔 He learnt that about 3 years ago and has been our best and most consistent player since - I get it’s easier to try and move on if we pretend he was average but come on, he was outstanding I don't need to pretend, I've been pretty consistent about the flaws in his game. Some of it is very good, other parts aren't.
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Post by detox on Jul 20, 2022 6:06:39 GMT 1
It'll be interesting seeing how they get on in the PL as no doubt Forest will be on TV quite a lot with the love in that's been going on about them.
O'Brien has been ok for us but not as big a loss as Mooy was, for example. He might benefit from better players around him though but you have to wish the lad well and I certainly don't blame him for wanting an employer that pays higher wages. We'd all be the same.
As for Toffolo, while his defending has always been a little bit suspect (for me), he seems to have develpoed into a dangerous player attacking the opponents box, something that brought him a flurry of goals towards the end of last season. Maybe Forest will play him further up the pitch ? Again he wasn't the 'complete' player for us but was a fans favourite for many, and again I wish him well in the PL.
I can't comment on the negotiations and the final fee paid for the pair only that I was initially expecting we'd get around £13m-£14m..
The fall out from the Wembley final defeat (and the manner of it) , with Carlos leaving too, means we don't have the continuity we were hoping for in a bid to finish in the top 2 this season. It's a bit galling tbh as we seem to be starting again this season rather than carrying forward any momentum.
There's a danger we'll suffer like Barnsley, or Reading who also struggled after a wembley defeat so it needs for us to start the season well, get some points on the board and after 3-5 games we're in the top 6...that'll encourage us all a bit I think...
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Post by boooothy on Jul 20, 2022 6:52:06 GMT 1
Malone was, still is a good going forward. Only problem was we did very little going forward in the Premier League exposing his defending. Toffolo will find the same (if he ever plays)
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Post by shawsie on Jul 20, 2022 7:26:28 GMT 1
Why? Cost us a modest sum....played well for us.....and got a great move earning us alot more than we paid. Contrast that with the sprinters, pritchard et al......by comparison hes a god! We are disappointed yes but its up to the owner and mgmt team to regroup and bring in new blood to improve us. As i recall dean told the previous head coach "give me a problem"......he did abd has now left. Not long now to see whether more problems or excitement await. Cos he thought he was Billy big bollocks that's why. No he didnt......he performed well for us, hence the move to a higher level. His agent will have told him htfc arent willing to pay you what i can get you so run yer contract down and see what happens. Not nice nor loyal.....but no such thing in football now. The sad thing for me is the lad is likely not to play much.....the new 5 subs rule is heaven for the big boys who will stockpile talent they barely use....lossl being a prime example.
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Post by tepidterrier on Jul 20, 2022 7:43:31 GMT 1
Malone was, still is a good going forward. Only problem was we did very little going forward in the Premier League exposing his defending. Toffolo will find the same (if he ever plays) I've thought that myself for a while but I think that was more the product of our defensive playing style at the time. The challenge for Cooper is keeping Forest's attacking style of play and not falling into that trap as well, one he's already fallen into at Swansea
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Post by sonny on Jul 20, 2022 7:50:58 GMT 1
Both been excellent for Town and along with Nicholls would have been the only players we wouldn't have looked to replace if Moss and co. had done their jobs. The gulf is huge, though. No surprises if a couple of years sees them lining up against us for Middlesbrough, Stoke, Norwich etc etc.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 20, 2022 8:16:22 GMT 1
Both been excellent for Town and along with Nicholls would have been the only players we wouldn't have looked to replace if Moss and co. had done their jobs. The gulf is huge, though. No surprises if a couple of years sees them lining up against us for Middlesbrough, Stoke, Norwich etc etc. I still think if we'd have won that Nicholls and Colwill were the only ones that wouldn't look out of place there.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 20, 2022 8:20:23 GMT 1
🤔🤔🤔
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 20, 2022 8:27:53 GMT 1
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Post by 66738 on Jul 20, 2022 8:31:26 GMT 1
All the best to both Harry and Lewis. Go and take the Premier League by storm boys. They were brilliant for us at Town. More than earned their chance to show what they can do in the big league. As best buddies, It’s a great move for them both. Yes, it should have been with us, but it’s been and gone, and is done with. We move on to a new chapter.
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Post by gufc on Jul 20, 2022 8:33:21 GMT 1
That's sort of why I put the comment. Most negative voices just want to be in the pack, I suspect, and so the more the quiet majority speak up voices of support the less the toxicity. Yeah I backed turton from day 1. He was brought in as backup to pipa and was the brunt of the abuse for months before folk realised he was actually a decent player. Even then they just use the ‘how much he improved bollox. When in reality he was ok from day 1 Totally agree. He's a decent, reliable right-back that can defend. There was nothing wrong with him when he started and, like you say, they like to throw out the "Carlos improved him" line, which just isn't true. I don't think he improved at all last season, he was always reliable and solid enough.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 20, 2022 8:49:41 GMT 1
Turton clearly found the step up a division too much to handle at first, especially when in possession. I find it really hard to believe people don't think he improved as the season went on but he had a terrific second half to the season.
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Post by boooothy on Jul 20, 2022 9:04:18 GMT 1
Forest have lost their minds throwing everything at it. They’ll either do quite well or hopefully plummet Sunderland style
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Post by boooothy on Jul 20, 2022 9:07:04 GMT 1
Turton clearly found the step up a division too much to handle at first, especially when in possession. I find it really hard to believe people don't think he improved as the season went on but he had a terrific second half to the season. He definitely improved but that doesn’t make him great. There are loads of right backs out there that could do what he does. There’s not many who do what Toffolo or even Pipa pre injury do.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Jul 20, 2022 9:15:31 GMT 1
Turton clearly found the step up a division too much to handle at first, especially when in possession. I find it really hard to believe people don't think he improved as the season went on but he had a terrific second half to the season. He definitely improved but that doesn’t make him great. There are loads of right backs out there that could do what he does. There’s not many who do what Toffolo or even Pipa pre injury do. Depends what you want from a fullback. Pipa and Toffolo, to me, are really good wingers who can defend a bit. Turton is a fullback who can support a winger. In the right formation both types can be effective. We were well placed with our experienced centre backs, and we regularly played 3, to handle crosses into the box but for some teams it could have been a real weakness. Toffolo will look good in the Prem, especially having his little mate playing down the middle, but at that level defending is crucial, so time will tell how that works,
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