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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 12, 2021 21:47:14 GMT 1
I’ve not noticed many people give Italy much credit for their win last night.
Whilst the media and fans glorify the “young talent “ spread throughout the England squad, we were beaten by the immense Chiellini and his streetwise team who haven’t lost a game in ages.
The theory has been disproved once, but generally speaking, you can’t win anything with kids.
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Post by impact on Jul 12, 2021 21:58:32 GMT 1
I’ve not noticed many people give Italy much credit for their win last night. Whilst the media and fans glorify the “young talent “ spread throughout the England squad, we were beaten by the immense Chiellini and his streetwise team who haven’t lost a game in ages. The theory has been disproved once, but generally speaking, you can’t win anything with kids. Yesterday's starting line-up had 2 22 year olds and the rest were 25 or older. They weren't kids. The average age was 26.5. Half the problem is he didn't give the younger ones enough of a chance.
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Post by impact on Jul 12, 2021 22:58:56 GMT 1
The side that misses first, if it's early on, always wins. As I said after the semis, it's an exact science
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Post by space hardware on Jul 12, 2021 23:12:34 GMT 1
I’ve not noticed many people give Italy much credit for their win last night. Whilst the media and fans glorify the “young talent “ spread throughout the England squad, we were beaten by the immense Chiellini and his streetwise team who haven’t lost a game in ages. The theory has been disproved once, but generally speaking, you can’t win anything with kids. We didn't turn Chiellini or test his pace at any time. Played right into his hands.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 12, 2021 23:13:41 GMT 1
I’ve not noticed many people give Italy much credit for their win last night. Whilst the media and fans glorify the “young talent “ spread throughout the England squad, we were beaten by the immense Chiellini and his streetwise team who haven’t lost a game in ages. The theory has been disproved once, but generally speaking, you can’t win anything with kids. We didn't turn Chiellini or test his pace at any time. Played right into his hands. Yes that’s very true. Makes you wonder why the coach didn’t realise that.
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Post by impact on Jul 12, 2021 23:15:06 GMT 1
Get her told lad
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Post by omar1988 on Jul 12, 2021 23:19:11 GMT 1
I’ve not noticed many people give Italy much credit for their win last night. Whilst the media and fans glorify the “young talent “ spread throughout the England squad, we were beaten by the immense Chiellini and his streetwise team who haven’t lost a game in ages. The theory has been disproved once, but generally speaking, you can’t win anything with kids. We didn't turn Chiellini or test his pace at any time. Played right into his hands. Saka couldn't help playing into his hands when he grabbed his shirt collar and nearly throttled him.
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Post by space hardware on Jul 12, 2021 23:21:23 GMT 1
We didn't turn Chiellini or test his pace at any time. Played right into his hands. Saka couldn't help playing into his hands when he grabbed his shirt collar and nearly throttled him. That's all he had, pulling the kid back by his neck. Why did we wait till the 80th minute to isolate him like that?
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Post by omar1988 on Jul 12, 2021 23:33:44 GMT 1
Saka couldn't help playing into his hands when he grabbed his shirt collar and nearly throttled him. That's all he had, pulling the kid back by his neck. Why did we wait till the 80th minute to isolate him like that? No idea. I like Southgate but didn't agree with formation. Thought England's biggest advantage would be pace against their fullbacks. Sterling and Saka caused Denmark real problems. I was surprised Saka didn't start.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jul 12, 2021 23:58:50 GMT 1
Saka couldn't help playing into his hands when he grabbed his shirt collar and nearly throttled him. That's all he had, pulling the kid back by his neck. Why did we wait till the 80th minute to isolate him like that? They just manhandled Kane because he was always in front of them. They were not scared of sterling because he spent most of the game 60 yards from their goal. We were not a threat and it allowed them to use more players to build attacks, it's fairly simple really. Kane dropping back to collect the ball just meant a 20 yard run to bump him but as nobody was supporting him or running past him, they stopped bothering altogether. We didnt get a free kick in a dangerous position. Loads on halfway or near our goal, we played them and we played into their hands. Would have liked to see the Italians dealing with grealish from the start and the centre halves having a player with pace living on their shoulders when they were attacking us.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 13, 2021 0:16:26 GMT 1
Southgate was more concerned with not losing than he was with actually winning.
That Italian team were there to be beaten and its frustrating because we have the talent to do it.. but it was mostly on the bench practically all night. Can barely remember us having a shot after half an hour.
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Post by impact on Jul 13, 2021 0:38:42 GMT 1
We didn't turn Chiellini or test his pace at any time. Played right into his hands. Saka couldn't help playing into his hands when he grabbed his shirt collar and nearly throttled him. Which begs the question, why the hell didn't we try and get in behind them more often instead of twatting balls long to Kane?
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Post by threetimesinarow on Jul 13, 2021 1:47:29 GMT 1
For 66 minutes Southgate’s tactics worked. It wasn’t entertaining but many teams have had success this way, Italy and almost all Mourinho coached teams are examples. Mancini had to change things to chase the game. He got a goal but he didn’t win the game in open play. How then did he out coach Southgate? Could you not say that Southgate’s game plan out foxed Mancini for more than half the game? I admire good defense as well as good attack and England did well in that aspect. PK’s are a lottery. A few days Jorginho was the master PK taker, yesterday he missed! In summary if England had held on to a 1-0 win and yet Italy had 65 percent possession would Southgate have been our coached?
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Post by impact on Jul 13, 2021 2:17:36 GMT 1
For 66 minutes Southgate’s tactics worked. It wasn’t entertaining but many teams have had success this way, Italy and almost all Mourinho coached teams are examples. Mancini had to change things to chase the game. He got a goal but he didn’t win the game in open play. How then did he out coach Southgate? Could you not say that Southgate’s game plan out foxed Mancini for more than half the game? I admire good defense as well as good attack and England did well in that aspect. PK’s are a lottery. A few days Jorginho was the master PK taker, yesterday he missed! In summary if England had held on to a 1-0 win and yet Italy had 65 percent possession would Southgate have been our coached? IMO yes but no one would have cared. Italy had more control and the best chances. We couldn't make another chance and we didn't even have a plan for how we'd go about making one. If any team was going on to win it would have been Italy. Us leading 1-0 until the 66th minute doesn't mean the plan worked - in fact most England fans would have conceded that the equaliser was coming. Italy were ramping up the pressure. You say penalties are a lottery, but to me it's no coincidence that 2 players who hadn't touched the ball missed for us. Mancini made changes earlier to try and win the game and it kept us on the back foot. But it also meant his players were up to speed with the game for the shootout. 2 of his 3 subs who took a penalty scored.
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Post by iangreaves on Jul 13, 2021 9:06:07 GMT 1
Shades of the Croatia game in world Cup 2018. Started brightly but faded until we were camped just outside our own penalty area. I still believe that Saint Gareth will lead us to glory but he just needs to be a brave in the big games. We have the players just need the belief. Based on all the off field shenanigans I'm not sure playing at Wembley helped us. Two very cagey performances in the big games and the Germany game could well have ended up the same. I think it will suit us better in Quatar. Onwards! I'm not sure the heat will.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 13, 2021 10:12:41 GMT 1
For 66 minutes Southgate’s tactics worked. It wasn’t entertaining but many teams have had success this way, Italy and almost all Mourinho coached teams are examples. Mancini had to change things to chase the game. He got a goal but he didn’t win the game in open play. How then did he out coach Southgate? Could you not say that Southgate’s game plan out foxed Mancini for more than half the game? I admire good defense as well as good attack and England did well in that aspect. PK’s are a lottery. A few days Jorginho was the master PK taker, yesterday he missed! In summary if England had held on to a 1-0 win and yet Italy had 65 percent possession would Southgate have been our coached? Why didn't he target their defence though? Yes, they've been solid for 34 games now, but we had the pace to go at them and make them worry about us (as Oti cites previously, the old Cloughie phrase). England can be an exciting side to watch when we're on the front foot, we just paid the Italians too much respect and the older heads in their team essentially did a job on us because we played into their hands. This was most definitely an opportunity missed, hope we get another one, but we need to make sure our Mgr has the confidence to play high tempo football.
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Post by leytherterrier on Jul 13, 2021 10:39:47 GMT 1
Southgate was more concerned with not losing than he was with actually winning. That Italian team were there to be beaten and its frustrating because we have the talent to do it.. but it was mostly on the bench practically all night. Can barely remember us having a shot after half an hour. I saw a stat yesterday that we only had one shot on target all game and that came in the 3rd minute when Shaw scored. We never looked like creating chances whereas Italy created plenty
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 11:20:01 GMT 1
It’s going to feel mighty strange watching the World Cup between 18 Nov - 18 Dec.No watching from beer gardens I wouldn’t have thought! As a (thankfully!) ex-smoker, I've spent time in some very cold beer gardens - water off a duck's back! One positive (for smokers!) observation I would make is that as a result of the limitations introduced over the last year, pubs generally now have the best outdoor facilities they've had since smoking indoors was banned. Its probably never been as pleasant for smokers to go to pubs as it is now, with marquee shelters pretty much everywhere and outdoor TV's and even bars etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 12:33:00 GMT 1
As a (thankfully!) ex-smoker, I've spent time in some very cold beer gardens - water off a duck's back! One positive (for smokers!) observation I would make is that as a result of the limitations introduced over the last year, pubs generally now have the best outdoor facilities they've had since smoking indoors was banned. Its probably never been as pleasant for smokers to go to pubs as it is now, with marquee shelters pretty much everywhere and outdoor TV's and even bars etc. Agreed, and it's one thing I really hope we stick with after restrictions get lifted - pubs and restaurants being able to use space outdoors much better. Pedestrianising smaller city-centre streets and more importantly - relax the licensing red tape. The hoops you have to jump through to stick a couple of tables outdoors are ridiculous - even without the no-glass-outdoors policy in bigger cities.
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 13, 2021 12:37:43 GMT 1
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jul 13, 2021 12:57:39 GMT 1
A little over 48hrs after being confident and upbeat about an England side that could have put themselves into the history books, we're back round to the shitty undercurrent that surrounds football.
The phrase "minority spoiling it for the majority" could have been written for these occasions.
Just watching those videos posted on other threads, it makes you wonder how we've gone from having to endure pockets of this sort of thing 20, 30, 40 yrs ago, to it now filling the airwaves and screens of social media.
I think the last sentence has answered my own Q...
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Post by alexdire on Jul 13, 2021 14:20:41 GMT 1
Did anybody get a video of the 20-30 South Asians breaking in through the merchandising stall by gate F? I saw it but didn't film it. Or have they just concentrated on what happened to them once they'd broken in and assaulted the stewards. I've never seen anything like it. 20-30 lads jumping over the counter as the young lasses tried to get the shutters down. We've seen lots of footage of lots of wankers behaving badly last night. You are the first to bring ethnicity into the discussion. Shame on you. Trying to point out the diversity of the people involved. When most people are banging on about racist attacks.
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Post by alexdire on Jul 13, 2021 14:21:13 GMT 1
I’ve not noticed many people give Italy much credit for their win last night. Whilst the media and fans glorify the “young talent “ spread throughout the England squad, we were beaten by the immense Chiellini and his streetwise team who haven’t lost a game in ages. The theory has been disproved once, but generally speaking, you can’t win anything with kids. Miles the better team.
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Post by westislandterrier on Jul 13, 2021 14:21:21 GMT 1
It’s going to feel mighty strange watching the World Cup between 18 Nov - 18 Dec.No watching from beer gardens I wouldn’t have thought! As a (thankfully!) ex-smoker, I've spent time in some very cold beer gardens - water off a duck's back! Has to be the craziest decision ever to play the 2022 World Cup between 18-Nov till 18-Dec. Not likely to have much effect on Huddersfield Town (though it’s possible to lose a few players to International call ups) but my goodness there’s gonna be some tug of war between the Man City - Man Utd - Chelsea - Liverpool type Club’s and their players countries if as is likely these teams are competing in the elite European club competitions. There are probably some countries who have their leagues running thru June and July that have to deal with this every four years, but as far as I remember this is the first time these type of ramifications have reached these shores here. I guess the old adage of the first two words of the Neil Diamond hit, Forever in blue Jeans springs to mind... Money Talks, or probably a song title by Stevie V is more accurate for that decision... DIRTY CASH !!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 15:50:36 GMT 1
As a (thankfully!) ex-smoker, I've spent time in some very cold beer gardens - water off a duck's back! Has to be the craziest decision ever to play the 2022 World Cup between 18-Nov till 18-Dec. Not likely to have much effect on Huddersfield Town (though it’s possible to lose a few players to International call ups) but my goodness there’s gonna be some tug of war between the Man City - Man Utd - Chelsea - Liverpool type Club’s and their players countries if as is likely these teams are competing in the elite European club competitions. There are probably some countries who have their leagues running thru June and July that have to deal with this every four years, but as far as I remember this is the first time these type of ramifications have reached these shores here. I guess the old adage of the first two words of the Neil Diamond hit, Forever in blue Jeans springs to mind... Money Talks, or probably a song title by Stevie V is more accurate for that decision... DIRTY CASH !!! I think the current thinking is to stop the Greedy League for it, but to be frank I couldn't give a shiny thruppence about them; but the Championship had more players involved in the Euros than Ligue Un and the Eredivisie - so who knows what'll happen there! But yeah, it's just silly - but so was allowing it to be held in Qatar in the first place. Dirty Cash sums it up nicely, my friend!
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Post by westislandterrier on Jul 13, 2021 16:20:38 GMT 1
Has to be the craziest decision ever to play the 2022 World Cup between 18-Nov till 18-Dec. Not likely to have much effect on Huddersfield Town (though it’s possible to lose a few players to International call ups) but my goodness there’s gonna be some tug of war between the Man City - Man Utd - Chelsea - Liverpool type Club’s and their players countries if as is likely these teams are competing in the elite European club competitions. There are probably some countries who have their leagues running thru June and July that have to deal with this every four years, but as far as I remember this is the first time these type of ramifications have reached these shores here. I guess the old adage of the first two words of the Neil Diamond hit, Forever in blue Jeans springs to mind... Money Talks, or probably a song title by Stevie V is more accurate for that decision... DIRTY CASH !!! I think the current thinking is to stop the Greedy League for it, but to be frank I couldn't give a shiny thruppence about them; but the Championship had more players involved in the Euros than Ligue Un and the Eredivisie - so who knows what'll happen there! But yeah, it's just silly - but so was allowing it to be held in Qatar in the first place. Dirty Cash sums it up nicely, my friend! Yeah.. Like yourself hukkas it’s a tournament I couldn’t care less about. The pubs here are packed with the glory hunters watching their teams compete in it. Largely the same quarter finalists season in season out, it does nothing for me anyway. Give me a full midweek card of The championship, League 1 and League 2 any day of the year over the greedy and over hyped and pre rigged Champions ? League. The old European Champions Cup was far better, more exciting and fair and at least only Champions competed and won it !
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 13, 2021 16:28:36 GMT 1
The premier league and the championship are both set to pause next season on/around November 12th and resume on boxing day, so about 6 weeks. They will start a week earlier and finish a week later, with the rest made up by cramming in mid week games.
It's a farce.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 13, 2021 16:33:16 GMT 1
The premier league and the championship are both set to pause next season on/around November 12th and resume on boxing day, so about 6 weeks. They will start a week earlier and finish a week later, with the rest made up by cramming in mid week games. It's a farce. Thank god it won't affect town :-)
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jul 13, 2021 17:19:57 GMT 1
I’ve not noticed many people give Italy much credit for their win last night. Whilst the media and fans glorify the “young talent “ spread throughout the England squad, we were beaten by the immense Chiellini and his streetwise team who haven’t lost a game in ages. The theory has been disproved once, but generally speaking, you can’t win anything with kids. Miles the better team. Not sure that is correct. Look at their players, who they have played for and currently play for etc and they aren't a match for our squad What I think you were meaning was that the way they have been coached and their mentality/approach to the game was far superior to us. All tournament they have looked the fittest side, able to win the ball back extremely quick with a high press. International coaches dont have time to do anything about fitness so that was purely the togetherness and team spirit that Mancini was able to instill to get them all pulling in the same direction. Not saying we looked lazy but our play throughout the whole tournament in comparison to them looked laboured
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 13, 2021 17:35:35 GMT 1
Not sure that is correct. Look at their players, who they have played for and currently play for etc and they aren't a match for our squad What I think you were meaning was that the way they have been coached and their mentality/approach to the game was far superior to us. All tournament they have looked the fittest side, able to win the ball back extremely quick with a high press. International coaches dont have time to do anything about fitness so that was purely the togetherness and team spirit that Mancini was able to instill to get them all pulling in the same direction. Not saying we looked lazy but our play throughout the whole tournament in comparison to them looked laboured Not sure I’d agree with that. The majority of our team in my opinion, have been over hyped to unimaginable levels and that gives everyone unrealistic expectations. Do agree with your comments on the Italians though..
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