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Post by odersfeldtowner on May 20, 2021 11:45:29 GMT 1
Precarious time in my opinion. Get this summer wrong and we are potentially landed with players for 2 3 or more years, locked into the pattern of the last couple of seasons again. We should have just let Mbenza and Bacuna go, clean slate. I think we need 5 strong 1st team ready players. I don't see anything in the way we performed since Christmas to say Carlos is the right manager, I don't see anything in our recruitment over the last few seasons to indicate we have the right resources there. I'm worried, but guess I have to go along for the ride, nothing much else I can do unless I'm going to spit my dummy out after 39 years a season ticket holder.
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Post by Toxic Ted on May 20, 2021 12:11:48 GMT 1
People who announce their IQ to all are generally in the same realm of bollocks speaking as those who brag about the number of sexual conquests they’ve racked up.
Roughly speaking, you can halve the stated figure and still be a bit higher than the truth.
All of which confirms what we’ve known for some time:
Townrwe is intellectually sub-normal. And a bit of a twat.
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Post by townrwe on May 20, 2021 12:19:39 GMT 1
Keep giving the same people the same responsibility for recruitment and the same misses will keep happening. We use a data driven process... the answers you get out are only as good as the questions you put in. Ask the wrong questions and you get the wrong answers. You can't run "moneyball" recruitment with a couple of sub 100 IQ ex pros. You may as well not bother and use old style methods. Data driven recruitment doesn't rely on opinions, you need to ask the right questions to get the best bang for your bucks. The fact PH states positions we need to improve suggests no-one at the club understands the theory or talk of key players, but then says data will drive recruitment in terms of injury and training load. It's a blended model which is basically the worst of two methods. Not enough scouting and no true commitment to data.Townrwe scouts are still out going to games as well as using data that is fact That along with opinion and conjecture is why we shouldn't bother using the data other than to look at identified targets through scouting. Impossible to scout the data that really matters as its combined team data that really matters, moments of brilliance are outliers. We have a leaky defence and PH is talking about two new CBs, RB and LB. They may be seen as better players by the scouts, better players by the management, better defenders by the data. But the questions been asked, as Phil alluded to with his summary of REG are probably the wrong ones. I.e To stop more goals who are the best at recovery runs, body position, one on one duels etc. So who is best at recovering a mistake or miss placed pass from a midfielder or bad throw in, or whatever game situation requires recovery. Youve got a leaky gutter? You decide to fix the problem by damp proofing your wall. Youve got a leaky midfield, You decide to fix the problem by getting a new defence. Not saying its as straight forward as that, but fixing the guttering would leave some money for a fancy drain (GK for this purpose)
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 12:25:45 GMT 1
On that shirt - this might show my age, but I quite liked it. Obviously three sizes too small for him but otherwise ok ... If your age is either 15 or 'late 40's to 50-ish and a bit of a sad case in a sartorial sense' A bit like me!
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Post by Toxic Ted on May 20, 2021 12:26:49 GMT 1
Townrwe scouts are still out going to games as well as using data that is fact That along with opinion and conjecture is why we shouldn't bother using the data other than to look at identified targets through scouting. Impossible to scout the data that really matters as its combined team data that really matters, moments of brilliance are outliers. We have a leaky defence and PH is talking about two new CBs, RB and LB. They may be seen as better players by the scouts, better players by the management, better defenders by the data. But the questions been asked, as Phil alluded to with his summary of REG are probably the wrong ones. I.e To stop more goals who are the best at recovery runs, body position, one on one duels etc. So who is best at recovering a mistake or miss placed pass from a midfielder or bad throw in, or whatever game situation requires recovery. Youve got a leaky gutter? You decide to fix the problem by damp proofing your wall. Youve got a leaky midfield, You decide to fix the problem by getting a new defence. Not saying its as straight forward as that, but fixing the guttering would leave some money for a fancy drain (GK for this purpose) For years the ECB had the same policy to England’s cricket selection. We’d be skittled for next to nothing so we’d drop some bowlers for not doing the same to the opposition. On reality, the batsmen just weren’t up to scratch. I’m surprised we didn’t drop Anderson 8 years ago due to his poor batting average. Far too many utility men get thrust into frontline action ahead of genuine specialists. We need defenders who can defend for next season. Let’s worry about finding the next Koeman/Bobby Moore once we haven’t got the worst defence in the division.
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Post by townrwe on May 20, 2021 12:32:12 GMT 1
People who announce their IQ to all are generally in the same realm of bollocks speaking as those who brag about the number of sexual conquests they’ve racked up. Roughly speaking, you can halve the stated figure and still be a bit higher than the truth. All of which confirms what we’ve known for some time: Townrwe is intellectually sub-normal. And a bit of a twat. True story, I worked for a company in the 90s who's recruitment was based on RAW IQ test scores, If you didnt score above 130 you didnt get a job... Anyone who was above 140 was automatically selected. 130-140 they went through a normal recruitment process. The place was like an asylum.
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Post by foxtrot666 on May 20, 2021 12:38:28 GMT 1
Precarious time in my opinion. Get this summer wrong and we are potentially landed with players for 2 3 or more years, locked into the pattern of the last couple of seasons again. We should have just let Mbenza and Bacuna go, clean slate . I think we need 5 strong 1st team ready players. I don't see anything in the way we performed since Christmas to say Carlos is the right manager, I don't see anything in our recruitment over the last few seasons to indicate we have the right resources there. I'm worried, but guess I have to go along for the ride, nothing much else I can do unless I'm going to spit my dummy out after 39 years a season ticket holder. I agree, at the moment we have only 5/6 players I would want to see in our starting line up, the new recruits have got to be better than we have now, hopefully the recruitment team will get it right this time.
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Post by Toxic Ted on May 20, 2021 12:43:00 GMT 1
People who announce their IQ to all are generally in the same realm of bollocks speaking as those who brag about the number of sexual conquests they’ve racked up. Roughly speaking, you can halve the stated figure and still be a bit higher than the truth. All of which confirms what we’ve known for some time: Townrwe is intellectually sub-normal. And a bit of a twat. True story, I worked for a company in the 90s who's recruitment was based on RAW IQ test scores, If you didnt score above 130 you didnt get a job... Anyone who was above 140 was automatically selected. 130-140 they went through a normal recruitment process. The place was like an asylum. Shocking. Partly that a company would have such a recruitment policy, mainly that you’re older than 12! 😊
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 20, 2021 12:45:00 GMT 1
I think that's a good interview from PH. I think the problem he had was a complete misalignment of fans expectations. Here's what we were told to expect from Town by the then CEO - in fairness just before PH took over, www.htafc.com/news/2019/june/winter-players-will-come-and-go/ In yesterdays interview PH was level with the fans in terms of where we are. He also acknowledged errors - which we all make I actually agree with the strategy PH has taken to strip back. I struggle a little to follow some of PH's percentages on squad attitude, when you look at the contracted players who left last summer people like Kachunga, Stankovic and Quaner were certainly not here for the PL ride. That said since the season started we have moved a lot of players who joined Town as a PL club - Grant, Mounie, Hamer, Kongolo, Flo, Sobhi, Diakhaby, Pritchard and soon it sounds like Bacuna and Mbenza wlll go. Of that I reckon only a couple fancied staying when we were in this league. The rest weren't the right fit and never should have been signed given we were always likely to go down from the PL (bookies second favs for relegation in the second season). PH inherited a mess of a dressing room and has needed this time to move off the big earners History has shown you can build a promotion winninng side with free transfers (Hef, Smith, Loewe) and loans (Ward, Palmer, Brown, Kachunga, Mooy) provided you also re-invest when players leave (sold Lynch signed Schindler). It's unlikley but not impossible either Overall, I'm more positive about the future of the club after that
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 12:45:05 GMT 1
Folk at the club are clueless..... someone will be able to quote me, but one of my first thoughts was we will need to recruit players capable of Carlosball and Carlos training..... its taken 12 months for these twats to realise that. My IQ is well over 140.... honestly Phil or whoever reads this, I'm happy to help, for free, just get in touch, I have more experience seemingly than anyone at running a successful amateur team.... those skills are more transferable despite the step up in level. Sometimes it's necessary to see your wrong before you can put it right. Genuine offer of help for free from someone who mensa is beneath.... think on Phil.... think on. Yeah right. Give us all a break.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on May 20, 2021 12:45:41 GMT 1
People who announce their IQ to all are generally in the same realm of bollocks speaking as those who brag about the number of sexual conquests they’ve racked up. Roughly speaking, you can halve the stated figure and still be a bit higher than the truth. All of which confirms what we’ve known for some time: Townrwe is intellectually sub-normal. And a bit of a twat. True story, I worked for a company in the 90s who's recruitment was based on RAW IQ test scores, If you didnt score above 130 you didnt get a job... Anyone who was above 140 was automatically selected. 130-140 they went through a normal recruitment process. The place was like an asylum. Was that company the Newsnetwork?
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Post by townrwe on May 20, 2021 12:45:55 GMT 1
That along with opinion and conjecture is why we shouldn't bother using the data other than to look at identified targets through scouting. Impossible to scout the data that really matters as its combined team data that really matters, moments of brilliance are outliers. We have a leaky defence and PH is talking about two new CBs, RB and LB. They may be seen as better players by the scouts, better players by the management, better defenders by the data. But the questions been asked, as Phil alluded to with his summary of REG are probably the wrong ones. I.e To stop more goals who are the best at recovery runs, body position, one on one duels etc. So who is best at recovering a mistake or miss placed pass from a midfielder or bad throw in, or whatever game situation requires recovery. Youve got a leaky gutter? You decide to fix the problem by damp proofing your wall. Youve got a leaky midfield, You decide to fix the problem by getting a new defence. Not saying its as straight forward as that, but fixing the guttering would leave some money for a fancy drain (GK for this purpose) For years the ECB had the same policy to England’s cricket selection. We’d be skittled for next to nothing so we’d drop some bowlers for not doing the same to the opposition. On reality, the batsmen just weren’t up to scratch. I’m surprised we didn’t drop Anderson 8 years ago due to his poor batting average. Far too many utility men get thrust into frontline action ahead of genuine specialists. We need defenders who can defend for next season. Let’s worry about finding the next Koeman/Bobby Moore once we haven’t got the worst defence in the division. Crickets an interesting one, as its an individual sport, played by a team. Really its two games, batting and Bowling/fielding. So Youve got a leaky gutter? You decide to fix the problem by damp proofing your wall. Youve got a leaky fielders, You decide to fix the problem by getting a new bowlers. Games of cricket are generally decided on who takes the most chances in the field. So when calculating an average for a batsman it should be their standard average - the average cost of dropped/missed chances. Hard to calculate in a way, but the data exists. If Don Bradman averaged 99, but dropped every catch that ever came to him and that cost the team on average 103.... Then Don shouldn't be in the team. If Jimmy took 4 wickets a game all caught by broad, but dropped 4 of broads bowling.... Jimmy keeps his place nice 4 for, and Broady gets dropped 0 for. but jimmy shouldnt be in the team.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 12:51:45 GMT 1
Keep giving the same people the same responsibility for recruitment and the same misses will keep happening. We use a data driven process... the answers you get out are only as good as the questions you put in. Ask the wrong questions and you get the wrong answers. You can't run "moneyball" recruitment with a couple of sub 100 IQ ex pros. You may as well not bother and use old style methods. Data driven recruitment doesn't rely on opinions, you need to ask the right questions to get the best bang for your bucks. The fact PH states positions we need to improve suggests no-one at the club understands the theory or talk of key players, but then says data will drive recruitment in terms of injury and training load. It's a blended model which is basically the worst of two methods. Not enough scouting and no true commitment to data. I could tolerate this site better if you stopped posting.
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Post by terriersyndrome on May 20, 2021 13:09:17 GMT 1
People who announce their IQ to all are generally in the same realm of bollocks speaking as those who brag about the number of sexual conquests they’ve racked up. Roughly speaking, you can halve the stated figure and still be a bit higher than the truth. All of which confirms what we’ve known for some time: Townrwe is intellectually sub-normal. And a bit of a twat. True story, I worked for a company in the 90s who's recruitment was based on RAW IQ test scores, If you didnt score above 130 you didnt get a job... Anyone who was above 140 was automatically selected. 130-140 they went through a normal recruitment process. The place was like an asylum. Supernovak starting a post with 'true story' 😂😂😂 You couldn't make this shit up.. Well actually he can 😂
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Post by Ox Terrier on May 20, 2021 13:10:56 GMT 1
What if....PH's t-shirt is an early prototype of the design of next year's away shirt? Hidden in plain sight, I like it! It’d be funny as fuck if it was!
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Post by benhomly on May 20, 2021 13:11:44 GMT 1
People who announce their IQ to all are generally in the same realm of bollocks speaking as those who brag about the number of sexual conquests they’ve racked up. Roughly speaking, you can halve the stated figure and still be a bit higher than the truth. All of which confirms what we’ve known for some time: Townrwe is intellectually sub-normal. And a bit of a twat. I think we should start a new thread but before we start can we clarify, do solo conquests count?
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Post by willo on May 20, 2021 13:14:36 GMT 1
Thought it was a decent interview and he came over generally well. A bit of hesitation on the odd point but some folk won’t give the guy a break. Not a massive fan of CC and I don’t think much at all of our recruitment team but from the sounds of that interview, nobody’s going anywhere so will just have to accept things as they are. However, actions speak louder than words and until such time as I see who exactly is coming in, I’m still holding firm on not renewing our season cards.
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Post by htfctx on May 20, 2021 16:39:00 GMT 1
People who announce their IQ to all are generally in the same realm of bollocks speaking as those who brag about the number of sexual conquests they’ve racked up. Roughly speaking, you can halve the stated figure and still be a bit higher than the truth. All of which confirms what we’ve known for some time: Townrwe is intellectually sub-normal. And a bit of a twat. True story, I worked for a company in the 90s who's recruitment was based on RAW IQ test scores, If you didnt score above 130 you didnt get a job... Anyone who was above 140 was automatically selected. 130-140 they went through a normal recruitment process. The place was like an asylum. Greatness! Just need a personality trait study parallel to the IQ test. At least the serial killers can be funneled to CSR.
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Post by Dan on May 20, 2021 17:13:50 GMT 1
Phil said not to expect any announcements on signings for a while and Pearson is announced the next day, the lying prick. That the angle we're going for?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2021 17:16:07 GMT 1
Folk at the club are clueless..... someone will be able to quote me, but one of my first thoughts was we will need to recruit players capable of Carlosball and Carlos training..... its taken 12 months for these twats to realise that. My IQ is well over 140.... honestly Phil or whoever reads this, I'm happy to help, for free, just get in touch, I have more experience seemingly than anyone at running a successful amateur team.... those skills are more transferable despite the step up in level. Sometimes it's necessary to see your wrong before you can put it right. Genuine offer of help for free from someone who mensa is beneath.... think on Phil.... think on. Can you imagine if Sheffield United end up giving him a job and they go up with 100+ points..? No. Neither can I. Fucking puddled.
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Post by andyeastleake on May 20, 2021 17:35:02 GMT 1
“Provided a couple of players are moved on” before they’d look to bring in more than the 5 supposedly already agreed for. What Hodgkinson said. Presumably those outgoings are likely/hoped to be Mbenza, Bacuna and possibly O’Brien. What if they don’t get any acceptable offers? Agreed seemed a strange comment (and hopefully related to the first two rather than O'Brien). Definitely a gamble if we don't get offers.
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Post by andyeastleake on May 20, 2021 17:50:31 GMT 1
I recognise I'm on dangerous ground, because I don't like PH's shirt and therefore I'm now just a Vapid Consumer rather than a supporter (...50+ years, 136 grounds and all those miles up the M1 mean f*** all it seems)... .....& PH doesn't like people taking his comments literally (?seriously?).... ...but when he said only two injuries were caused in training? (Arrons & Ward) Is that correct? This suggests not and what about Danny Grant, Niasse & Toffolo (& if I'd been guessing a few others). Whose memory is going? Happy to be put straight if I'm wrong, I'm a consumer from outside the area these days (so may miss out on facts). linkPS Decent interview but (as others have suggested) a bit too similar to others we've had previously that don't look great in hindsight for my own vapid consuming liking.
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on May 20, 2021 19:15:18 GMT 1
I recognise I'm on dangerous ground, because I don't like PH's shirt and therefore I'm now just a Vapid Consumer rather than a supporter (...50+ years, 136 grounds and all those miles up the M1 mean f*** all it seems)... .....& PH doesn't like people taking his comments literally (?seriously?).... ...but when he said only two injuries were caused in training? (Arrons & Ward) Is that correct? This suggests not and what about Danny Grant, Niasse & Toffolo (& if I'd been guessing a few others). Whose memory is going? Happy to be put straight if I'm wrong, I'm a consumer from outside the area these days (so may miss out on facts). linkPS Decent interview but (as others have suggested) a bit too similar to others we've had previously that don't look great in hindsight for my own vapid consuming liking. Yes. A contradiction here. He says only 2 were injured in training ( I agree with you re the others) then goes onto explaining how they are now aware that some players have different tolerance levels to that level of training.
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Post by ACW on May 20, 2021 19:21:55 GMT 1
People who announce their IQ to all are generally in the same realm of bollocks speaking as those who brag about the number of sexual conquests they’ve racked up. Roughly speaking, you can halve the stated figure and still be a bit higher than the truth. All of which confirms what we’ve known for some time: Townrwe is intellectually sub-normal. And a bit of a twat. Haven't got a fuckin' clue what my IQ is. And I've lost count of my sexual conquests...
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Post by space hardware on May 20, 2021 20:14:22 GMT 1
I recognise I'm on dangerous ground, because I don't like PH's shirt and therefore I'm now just a Vapid Consumer rather than a supporter (...50+ years, 136 grounds and all those miles up the M1 mean f*** all it seems)... .....& PH doesn't like people taking his comments literally (?seriously?).... ...but when he said only two injuries were caused in training? (Arrons & Ward) Is that correct? This suggests not and what about Danny Grant, Niasse & Toffolo (& if I'd been guessing a few others). Whose memory is going? Happy to be put straight if I'm wrong, I'm a consumer from outside the area these days (so may miss out on facts). linkPS Decent interview but (as others have suggested) a bit too similar to others we've had previously that don't look great in hindsight for my own vapid consuming liking. I do wonder whether Hodgkinson has an actual medical condition which means he can't ever bring himself to tell the truth or avoid embellishing whatever tale he's telling 😂
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Post by Porrohman on May 20, 2021 20:19:53 GMT 1
People who announce their IQ to all are generally in the same realm of bollocks speaking as those who brag about the number of sexual conquests they’ve racked up. Roughly speaking, you can halve the stated figure and still be a bit higher than the truth. All of which confirms what we’ve known for some time: Townrwe is intellectually sub-normal. And a bit of a twat. Haven't got a fuckin' clue what my IQ is. And I've lost count of my sexual conquests... Is that cos your IQ level means you can't count 😉😀
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 20, 2021 20:23:25 GMT 1
I recognise I'm on dangerous ground, because I don't like PH's shirt and therefore I'm now just a Vapid Consumer rather than a supporter (...50+ years, 136 grounds and all those miles up the M1 mean f*** all it seems)... .....& PH doesn't like people taking his comments literally (?seriously?).... ...but when he said only two injuries were caused in training? (Arrons & Ward) Is that correct? This suggests not and what about Danny Grant, Niasse & Toffolo (& if I'd been guessing a few others). Whose memory is going? Happy to be put straight if I'm wrong, I'm a consumer from outside the area these days (so may miss out on facts). linkPS Decent interview but (as others have suggested) a bit too similar to others we've had previously that don't look great in hindsight for my own vapid consuming liking. I do wonder whether Hodgkinson has an actual medical condition which means he can't ever bring himself to tell the truth or avoid embellishing whatever tale he's telling 😂 Its called verbal diarrhea I'd love to know if he's always like that or just gets a bit carried away when a microphone is dropped under his nose
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Post by ACW on May 20, 2021 21:02:45 GMT 1
Haven't got a fuckin' clue what my IQ is. And I've lost count of my sexual conquests... Is that cos your IQ level means you can't count 😉😀 Yep. Struggle to get past 3.
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Post by tockyterrier on May 20, 2021 21:52:32 GMT 1
I recognise I'm on dangerous ground, because I don't like PH's shirt and therefore I'm now just a Vapid Consumer rather than a supporter (...50+ years, 136 grounds and all those miles up the M1 mean f*** all it seems)... .....& PH doesn't like people taking his comments literally (?seriously?).... ...but when he said only two injuries were caused in training? (Arrons & Ward) Is that correct? This suggests not and what about Danny Grant, Niasse & Toffolo (& if I'd been guessing a few others). Whose memory is going? Happy to be put straight if I'm wrong, I'm a consumer from outside the area these days (so may miss out on facts). linkPS Decent interview but (as others have suggested) a bit too similar to others we've had previously that don't look great in hindsight for my own vapid consuming liking. Didnt Niasse get injured in some strange freaky accident like tripping over in the car park? And I Toffolo had been playing with a niggle and and I think when he got sent off they investigated further and found it was a more serious issue. Maybe, PH was referring to injuries tgat were caused directly by training methods and its intensity, as opposed to being kicked etc whilst playing practice matches etc. Which had nothing to do with the actual training regime.? I dont know, just speculating.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on May 20, 2021 22:41:59 GMT 1
I recognise I'm on dangerous ground, because I don't like PH's shirt and therefore I'm now just a Vapid Consumer rather than a supporter (...50+ years, 136 grounds and all those miles up the M1 mean f*** all it seems)... .....& PH doesn't like people taking his comments literally (?seriously?).... ...but when he said only two injuries were caused in training? (Arrons & Ward) Is that correct? This suggests not and what about Danny Grant, Niasse & Toffolo (& if I'd been guessing a few others). Whose memory is going? Happy to be put straight if I'm wrong, I'm a consumer from outside the area these days (so may miss out on facts). linkPS Decent interview but (as others have suggested) a bit too similar to others we've had previously that don't look great in hindsight for my own vapid consuming liking. Didnt Niasse get injured in some strange freaky accident like tripping over in the car park? And I Toffolo had been playing with a niggle and and I think when he got sent off they investigated further and found it was a more serious issue. Maybe, PH was referring to injuries tgat were caused directly by training methods and its intensity, as opposed to being kicked etc whilst playing practice matches etc. Which had nothing to do with the actual training regime.? I dont know, just speculating. Niasse got injured in a friendly against Rochdale. He did the splits and somebody fell on him or something similar.
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