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Post by space hardware on Jul 16, 2021 22:59:04 GMT 1
I don't think I've ever told anyone in the real world that I post on here. It's my dirty little secret š¬š Secret - you are in the Enoch club man. Some strange cannibals are still after your blood I haven't worked my peak bollock weight out yet though. |
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jul 16, 2021 22:59:50 GMT 1
Saying you don't like it is not necessarily an issue. You can say you don't like cheese. Calling something "deviant", defined as something that differs from what is considered acceptable, is very different. I get that, G - I'm sure you know from my posting history that I do. I'm just exploring how far "I don't like it" goes, because I have a feeling it's not like cheese. I've been clear on how appalling I think the word "deviant" is in this context. Of course. I was just trying to clarify that the line was crossed in an unambiguous fashion |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 23:01:30 GMT 1
Canāt believe this Enough said Just goes to show wot a bunch of fuking wankers run this forum Perfectly summed up Mark and demonstrates why a lot of posters do not frequent here now. When he soon passes I hope he rests in peace and the postmortem shows those who have blood on their hands Can Understand Not This System First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me. |
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Post by Champers on Jul 16, 2021 23:02:04 GMT 1
This is one of those rare threads that come along where you realise who on DATM you would and, probably more importantly, wouldn't go for a few pints with.
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Post by turbo2 on Jul 16, 2021 23:03:41 GMT 1
If I enjoyed what they do , then Iād do it. So by default I donāt like it. Doesnāt make me homophobic Big difference between something not being to your taste, and standing up saying "I don't like this". Which is a loaded statement in itself. "by default I don't like it"; so if something's just not for you, you have to actively "not like it"? Absolute rubbish. Itās not to my taste lol. Being a left wing woke is defo not to my taste. But on this board youāre targeted as racist homophobes if youāre not |
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Post by chinaski on Jul 16, 2021 23:04:52 GMT 1
Probably the most interesting character on this forum.
I get the feeling that the folk who deride his anecdotes are the ones who were born in Huddersfield/Mirfield/other shit local town and leave twice a year to visit the same hotel theyāve been to for the last 15 years in Tenerife.
As someone else said, whether you agreed with his views or not, you never scrolled past them like I do with 95% of the boring c**** on here.
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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) on Jul 16, 2021 23:12:05 GMT 1
It's certainly been interesting reading the various theories about this tonight but this evil tyrant has to rest his puppet master fingers for the evening.
Off to bed...play nicely.
I've booted up the Kenny and Rigsdon automatons to man the fort.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 23:12:08 GMT 1
I get that, G - I'm sure you know from my posting history that I do. I'm just exploring how far "I don't like it" goes, because I have a feeling it's not like cheese. I've been clear on how appalling I think the word "deviant" is in this context. Of course. I was just trying to clarify that the line was crossed in an unambiguous fashion Aye, though there's nothing ambiguous about using terms like "deviant" to describe people who have different predilections, or just happen to fall in love with people of the same sex or gender. We've come a long way from state-sponsored electrocution of people who broke the Enigma code, pioneered modern computing and laid the groundwork for artificial intelligence, but there's clearly a way to go yet. Not that we're disagreeing here! |
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Post by Porrohman on Jul 16, 2021 23:18:05 GMT 1
Big difference between something not being to your taste, and standing up saying "I don't like this". Which is a loaded statement in itself. "by default I don't like it"; so if something's just not for you, you have to actively "not like it"? Absolute rubbish. Itās not to my taste lol. Being a left wing woke is defo not to my taste. But on this board youāre targeted as racist homophobes if youāre not Have you tried it to know you don't like it š¤ |
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Post by Rigodon on Jul 16, 2021 23:18:38 GMT 1
So, in a bid to not leave G in the lurch here.
My two penneth.
For clarity. Nothing to do with G. Nothing at all. I responded to the reported post almost immediately as I happened to be online around the time and told G then it probably best to stay out of it. Hence 2/2.
It is a direct repetition of something he'd been warned about previously before I was made admin I think. I also believe, but stand to be corrected, it was actually the 3rd instance of similar comments I've seen but one wasn't reported. I only act on reported posts. (Mids - disappointed to read what you've put and not had chance to follow up as I'm adding this to the diatribe I've written before I post it. I'm sorry you had to read that from the other poster but will simply not have read it if it's not been reported mate. Apologies. We do get many reports, for much, much less than that. The poster in question should be ashamed.)
Anyhow.. Looking at his report history Oti's clearly been a special case since before my time as admin too. Decision obviously made a lot more complex with his current condition gnawing away at me. Being honest I don't agree with many of his views or the way he expresses them. However I've genuinely, GENUINELY no axe to grind with him at all, very rarely have I exchanged posts with him in probably over 10/12 years of being on the board. I have 'clashed' with one / other posters I guess, but not Oti. And I've certainly liked many of his non politics posts!! But that's the problem. That's all immaterial. He's been warned more than anyone else on here, believe me.
Oti's rap sheet is longer than anyone else I've seen on here. By a bloody stretch too. We get sufficient reports for me to see the 'repeat offenders' over the last few months since I became admin - none of which come close. I'd be guessing but 50% of reported posts do go 'unpunished' for all posters. There are no favourites. There are only reports and rules and a yay or nay from us with very little discussion between us. I've no idea what views Ken has with regards to politics or race etc. We don't talk nor do I recall seeing posts of that nature from him. G is transparent and a more active poster as you all know. I have a post history if anyone is arsed - you can all see anyway. I don't post often but do come on here EVERY DAY hence applying for admin in the first place. I believe we are transparent. There's no agenda and very little communication between us and I've had none outside of reported posts and a touch up on the rules when it was last posted - since I've been admin anyway.
Oti has totted up. Pure and simple. Too many points on his license. If we didn't have this now, this would be a day or week at our doorstep again. He's relentless in his views, you all know that and posters have reported it enough times to initiate that course of action. Differing posters too, no witchhunt. Not being 'nasty' but he's no one to blame but himself. He's been banned previously. Oti's report page is the only one I've seen that is filled and it only goes back to Dec 2020!!!! The rules are there for a reason. He's had over and above what anyone else can get. Simple as that. Harsh as that may sound.
I'm not daft (but am now pissed again, thanks Guinness) - I do get it lads. I'm not an admin nazi or a fascist. Simply put a lot of "Oti content" is not fit for public consumption - IMO. He'd get into hot water if not fired in any modern workplace I've been associated with and potential for a bar brawl with some of the posts on here.
Newsflash.
These are not private conversations folks.
Might be fit for the corner of the tap room but.. Not here. I believe we are quite lenient compared to many other places e.g Reddit.
There's some obligations for protecting this site for all of us and maintaining the rules for all of us.
Again..
Trust me, I'm no jobsworth and I'd certainly rather not be fucking writing this on a Friday night.
The content for the Politics board could be deleted and closed tomorrow for me. It's a liability. A system of record too - publicly facing on the internet. Of which we are the custodians. It's unofficially representative of the club and or its fans. A number of admins have come and gone for a reason maybe? However popular it maybe and there's some decent debate / posts at times, it's been toxic and not a positive interaction with the internet for anyone currently. All IMO of course and I expect many of you will disagree with the reasoning.
So I do totally understand why some of you are pissed off. But.. Them's the rules folks, he / you / we / I have all been warned. They are of course open to interpretation. So... Remember the human and remember times changed - even we've got a mental health corner of this site which some off this thread go on. Words do matter these days, whether we like it or not.
And lay off G, it's fuck all to do with him really.
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 16, 2021 23:22:34 GMT 1
Absolutely fooking pricelessly ridiculous behaviour from the admins. Oti is like marmite, and he pushes a log of people's buttons but FFS have some conscience and give him a break. The bloke's in his final yards of his life...shame on the decision makers...even if he has flouted the 'rules' who caresI know. They're only bloody rules FFS. I plan on poking fun at people with debilitating and/or terminal illnesses tomorrow daytime, maybe indulge in a bit of light antisemitism in the late evening, before dropping an unsolicited dick pic in everyone's inbox just in time for bed. If people don't like that then they can just scroll past or read something else, because one day I'll die. Fuck me, I bet you work for unison or one of those other cuntish unions |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 16, 2021 23:23:26 GMT 1
How weak and pathetic do you think homosexuals are? That they're so pitifully delicate that they'd read the views of some nobody on some obscure part of an obscure internet site,,, views that none of the other users on the obscure site agree with him about,,, and having done that they'll be so upset and worried about coming out that they'll probably think better of it? You've got a lower opinion of gays than Otium has if you see them like that. And 'gammons' is an insulting term about peoples skin colour... just saying like. Stopped taking your post seriously after the first few words. Some Tino Best-esque levels of swinging and missing there. Did I missed anything. A pretty condescending attitude to the mental strength of homosexuals and a bit of overt racism chucked in for good measure. Ironically not a million miles from the sort of accusations youre glad Otium has been banned for. Obviously you being of strong mind can easily dismiss my post if you think its shite. Gays on the other hand, well if they read a post they think is shite, what can they do other than sit, shivering in a corner? |
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Post by chinaski on Jul 16, 2021 23:32:10 GMT 1
So, in a bid to not leave G in the lurch here. My two penneth. For clarity. Nothing to do with G. Nothing at all. I responded to the reported post almost immediately as I happened to be online around the time and told G then it probably best to stay out of it. Hence 2/2. It is a direct repetition of something he'd been warned about previously before I was made admin I think. I also believe, but stand to be corrected, it was actually the 3rd instance of similar comments I've seen but one wasn't reported. I only act on reported posts. (Mids - disappointed to read what you've put and not had chance to follow up as I'm adding this to the diatribe I've written before I post it. I'm sorry you had to read that from the other poster but will simply not have read it if it's not been reported mate. Apologies. We do get many reports, for much, much less than that. The poster in question should be ashamed.) Anyhow.. Looking at his report history Oti's clearly been a special case since before my time as admin too. Decision obviously made a lot more complex with his current condition gnawing away at me. Being honest I don't agree with many of his views or the way he expresses them. However I've genuinely, GENUINELY no axe to grind with him at all, very rarely have I exchanged posts with him in probably over 10/12 years of being on the board. I have 'clashed' with one / other posters I guess, but not Oti. And I've certainly liked many of his non politics posts!! But that's the problem. That's all immaterial. He's been warned more than anyone else on here, believe me. Oti's rap sheet is longer than anyone else I've seen on here. By a bloody stretch too. We get sufficient reports for me to see the 'repeat offenders' over the last few months since I became admin - none of which come close. I'd be guessing but 50% of reported posts do go 'unpunished' for all posters. There are no favourites. There are only reports and rules and a yay or nay from us with very little discussion between us. I've no idea what views Ken has with regards to politics or race etc. We don't talk nor do I recall seeing posts of that nature from him. G is transparent and a more active poster as you all know. I have a post history if anyone is arsed - you can all see anyway. I don't post often but do come on here EVERY DAY hence applying for admin in the first place. I believe we are transparent. There's no agenda and very little communication between us and I've had none outside of reported posts and a touch up on the rules when it was last posted - since I've been admin anyway. Oti has totted up. Pure and simple. Too many points on his license. If we didn't have this now, this would be a day or week at our doorstep again. He's relentless in his views, you all know that and posters have reported it enough times to initiate that course of action. Differing posters too, no witchhunt. Not being 'nasty' but he's no one to blame but himself. He's been banned previously. Oti's report page is the only one I've seen that is filled and it only goes back to Dec 2020!!!! The rules are there for a reason. He's had over and above what anyone else can get. Simple as that. Harsh as that may sound. I'm not daft (but am now pissed again, thanks Guinness) - I do get it lads. I'm not an admin nazi or a fascist. Simply put a lot of "Oti content" is not fit for public consumption - IMO. He'd get into hot water if not fired in any modern workplace I've been associated with and potential for a bar brawl with some of the posts on here. Newsflash. These are not private conversations folks. Might be fit for the corner of the tap room but.. Not here. I believe we are quite lenient compared to many other places e.g Reddit. There's some obligations for protecting this site for all of us and maintaining the rules for all of us. Again.. Trust me, I'm no jobsworth and I'd certainly rather not be fucking writing this on a Friday night. The content for the Politics board could be deleted and closed tomorrow for me. It's a liability. A system of record too - publicly facing on the internet. Of which we are the custodians. It's unofficially representative of the club and or its fans. A number of admins have come and gone for a reason maybe? However popular it maybe and there's some decent debate / posts at times, it's been toxic and not a positive interaction with the internet for anyone currently. All IMO of course and I expect many of you will disagree with the reasoning. So I do totally understand why some of you are pissed off. But.. Them's the rules folks, he / you / we / I have all been warned. They are of course open to interpretation. So... Remember the human and remember times changed - even we've got a mental health corner of this site which some off this thread go on. Words do matter these days, whether we like it or not. And lay off G, it's fuck all to do with him really. All well and good. But you lads have started treating this forum like itās a fucking workplace or something. This warning system is pathetic at best and at worst, possibly some sort of power mechanism that youāre perhaps missing in real life. Somebody should only ever be banned from here if theyāve posted something illegal or theyāre trying to sell quality discounted kitchens. |
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 16, 2021 23:36:13 GMT 1
Personally, Iām more disappointed that a worldly man who has travelled to all corners of the globe and had such a rich life could maintain such abhorrent views on ethnicity and sexuality. We all know their are small minded bigots on here who happily trot out lazy right-wing tropes. Their ignorance could be an excuse for their natural unpleasantness. Otium was different, he was far from ignorant yet still bounded down the path of intolerance and hatred. Itās a shame heās gone but itās a bigger shame he was so aggressively intolerant. Playing the crowd there Ted, far too many offended people on this thread, righteous campaigners. I think religion is abhorrent and those that practice it are strange and deluded. Itās killed more than itās healed and is practiced by c****! Does that get me a lifetime ban (well weāll soon see?) or is it just particular groups? Too many people playing to the PC crowd, fuck my life. |
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Post by mightyterrier on Jul 16, 2021 23:37:16 GMT 1
This is one of those rare threads that come along where you realise who on DATM you would and, probably more importantly, wouldn't go for a few pints with. Bob on, please let me know if youāre ever planning on going to the sportsman, Iāll swerve it! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2021 23:38:53 GMT 1
A system of record too - publicly facing on the internet. Of which we are the custodians. It's unofficially representative of the club and or its fans Bang on, this bit - as I said before, I'm not sure people realise that every time they post a racist or homophobic slur - or even just a braindead dismissal of those issues - that's it, it's on the Internet forever. Everyone can read this forum. It's a very public representation of Huddersfield Town supporters. Personally, I don't think it reflects well on us, as a whole. You think deleting a post removes it? Think again. Check out the Wayback Machine. Think you're anonymous? Chances are, you're not. Even a VPN might well not guarantee that. When we're discussing transfer rumours, how many of us use the drop-down to check out what other forums are saying about the players we may or may not be targeting? Well, supporters of other clubs can see this forum too. And they may well see the worst of it. Think before you post. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jul 16, 2021 23:41:40 GMT 1
This is just horrible. An ill man - an incredibly interesting and stimulating man - a man who's politics I don't agree with - he's been banned from a fucking football forum in what may be his last few weeks (let's hope not).
How seriously are some people taking themselves?
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 16, 2021 23:45:32 GMT 1
Not happy about this one bit. A character and great contributor to this forum. Mind you, society doesn't want or allow characters these days, just conform, follow the masses and agree with what is topical and politically correct. That way you won't fall foul of anything or anyone. Sadly this forum it appears is no different. In other words it's OK to be a little bit racist and a little bit homophobic as long as you're a Town fan... Different generations, you are from one where you will never have had the opportunity to meet characters, those that are a bit different and actually offer something different. You can throw easy cheap shot sound bites out. There is a lot more to Otium and I and others have enjoyed his rhetoric. And for the record, I have not always agreed with him. Thatās the beauty though, I am from a generation where you can actually completely disagree on things and itās okay. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 16, 2021 23:46:04 GMT 1
How weak and pathetic do you think homosexuals are? That they're so pitifully delicate that they'd read the views of some nobody on some obscure part of an obscure internet site,,, views that none of the other users on the obscure site agree with him about,,, and having done that they'll be so upset and worried about coming out that they'll probably think better of it? You've got a lower opinion of gays than Otium has if you see them like that. And 'gammons' is an insulting term about peoples skin colour... just saying like. I've been trying to stay out of this because I hate the pointless mud slinging of the "political" parts of this site. However I feel like this needs to be called out. People are harmed by being told, repeatedly, that who they love makes them "deviant" or a "pervert". People spend years hiding who they are from the people around them for fear of comments exactly like that, and carrying something like that can eat away at them. Ultimately discrimination, alienation and bullying leads to increased mental health crises, increased likelihood of self harm and ultimately increased rates of suicide. This has been demonstrated by study after study. Oti, or anyone, can think or feel what they want. They can't come on to a public space and vent repugnant views like that, especially after being repeatedly warned. People on this thread have made a lot out of "free speech" but, as has been pointed out, this doesn't entail freedom from consequence. These consequences extend to you and to the people around you. Free speech is a right but also a privilege, and it's incumbent on us to be grown up and to use it responsibly. I do get your point. I knew a lad, well he was the younger brother of someone I knew, who's family's reaction was so bad when he came out, he upped sticks and emigrated to Australia , never to come back. Im sure others will react in a much worse way than just cutting family ties. But Otium isn't people around them. Hes some bloke on an obscure part of a obscure Internet forum (who's probably used that language once, not repeatedly by the way) Its some leap isn't it to think his views are going to effect anyone to any degree,, this nobody somewhere on the internet ..and as I said before, pretty insulting to think that anyone would be that fragile IMO. If anything isn't the fact his views are so isolated to him and him alone, and are seen to be pretty universally disagreed with by literally everyone else, a positive message? Like I said, if his views on gays are so unnacceptable that they can't be aired, then lets shut the churches and mosques, as they promote the same opinions, just inflated millions of times over. |
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Post by LTown on Jul 17, 2021 0:00:01 GMT 1
It's certainly been interesting reading the various theories about this tonight but this evil tyrant has to rest his puppet master fingers for the evening. Off to bed...play nicely. I've booted up the Kenny and Rigsdon automatons to man the fort. BigDaddyG is King of the Board! |
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Post by merseysideterrier on Jul 17, 2021 0:15:00 GMT 1
I've been trying to stay out of this because I hate the pointless mud slinging of the "political" parts of this site. However I feel like this needs to be called out. People are harmed by being told, repeatedly, that who they love makes them "deviant" or a "pervert". People spend years hiding who they are from the people around them for fear of comments exactly like that, and carrying something like that can eat away at them. Ultimately discrimination, alienation and bullying leads to increased mental health crises, increased likelihood of self harm and ultimately increased rates of suicide. This has been demonstrated by study after study. Oti, or anyone, can think or feel what they want. They can't come on to a public space and vent repugnant views like that, especially after being repeatedly warned. People on this thread have made a lot out of "free speech" but, as has been pointed out, this doesn't entail freedom from consequence. These consequences extend to you and to the people around you. Free speech is a right but also a privilege, and it's incumbent on us to be grown up and to use it responsibly. I do get your point. I knew a lad, well he was the younger brother of someone I knew, who's family's reaction was so bad when he came out, he upped sticks and emigrated to Australia , never to come back. Im sure others will react in a much worse way than just cutting family ties. But Otium isn't people around them. Hes some bloke on an obscure part of a obscure Internet forum (who's probably used that language once, not repeatedly by the way) Its some leap isn't it to think his views are going to effect anyone to any degree,, this nobody somewhere on the internet ..and as I said before, pretty insulting to think that anyone would be that fragile IMO. If anything isn't the fact his views are so isolated to him and him alone, and are seen to be pretty universally disagreed with by literally everyone else, a positive message? Like I said, if his views on gays are so unnacceptable that they can't be aired, then lets shut the churches and mosques, as they promote the same opinions, just inflated millions of times over. Thank you for engaging with my point constructively, refreshing to see that on the internet and I appreciate it. I understand what you're saying but I have two issues. One, what if people browsing DATM (or other Town fans in general) are dealing with issues like the ones I discussed? And two, if Oti is willing to air those views here what's to say he doesn't in 'real life'? I am pleased that the majority of posters agree that comments like those mentioned are unacceptable. I also agree that barbaric views and practices in any religion should not be tolerated, and those found to be transgressing the secular law of the land should be punished severely. The harm done by religions across the world in this area is significantly worse than anything Oti has done, and that's why we need to press the Government to ensure Britain takes the lead in promoting inclusion, diversity and tolerance internationally. This shouldn't stop us from doing what we can in our own little corners of the country/the internet however. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 0:23:05 GMT 1
I do get your point. I knew a lad, well he was the younger brother of someone I knew, who's family's reaction was so bad when he came out, he upped sticks and emigrated to Australia , never to come back. Im sure others will react in a much worse way than just cutting family ties. But Otium isn't people around them. Hes some bloke on an obscure part of a obscure Internet forum (who's probably used that language once, not repeatedly by the way) Its some leap isn't it to think his views are going to effect anyone to any degree,, this nobody somewhere on the internet ..and as I said before, pretty insulting to think that anyone would be that fragile IMO. If anything isn't the fact his views are so isolated to him and him alone, and are seen to be pretty universally disagreed with by literally everyone else, a positive message? Like I said, if his views on gays are so unnacceptable that they can't be aired, then lets shut the churches and mosques, as they promote the same opinions, just inflated millions of times over. Thank you for engaging with my point constructively, refreshing to see that on the internet and I appreciate it. I understand what you're saying but I have two issues. One, what if people browsing DATM (or other Town fans in general) are dealing with issues like the ones I discussed? And two, if Oti is willing to air those views here what's to say he doesn't in 'real life'? I am pleased that the majority of posters agree that comments like those mentioned are unacceptable. I also agree that barbaric views and practices in any religion should not be tolerated, and those found to be transgressing the secular law of the land should be punished severely. The harm done by religions across the world in this area is significantly worse than anything Oti has done, and that's why we need to press the Government to ensure Britain takes the lead in promoting inclusion, diversity and tolerance internationally. This shouldn't stop us from doing what we can in our own little corners of the country/the internet however. My grandad ace as he was and what he done in his service, he called a spade a spade and his mate nigel was black. Referred to as N Nigel..... No matter ya era you need to adapt. Hadn't seen oti be racist tbh but its no place. He needs some education in culture, for a man globe trotting he should know best. He's an immigrant in theory. Life bans are a tad mad. If you boot them off with a pre made reason they can't learn and get why. Educate and ask why now still say that. It's 2021 not 1980. We all adapt, times change, booting off doesn't solve it, it can make it worse. Message and talk, explain etc and if someone doesn't want to Co operate that's fine. But at least try help them understand its bang wrong. Life's very snowflakey now, some don't like swearing etc, can't buy that shit. But racism people can be educated and if not then bye. At least try |
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jul 17, 2021 0:28:51 GMT 1
A system of record too - publicly facing on the internet. Of which we are the custodians. It's unofficially representative of the club and or its fans Bang on, this bit - as I said before, I'm not sure people realise that every time they post a racist or homophobic slur - or even just a braindead dismissal of those issues - that's it, it's on the Internet forever. Everyone can read this forum. It's a very public representation of Huddersfield Town supporters. Personally, I don't think it reflects well on us, as a whole. You think deleting a post removes it? Think again. Check out the Wayback Machine. Think you're anonymous? Chances are, you're not. Even a VPN might well not guarantee that. When we're discussing transfer rumours, how many of us use the drop-down to check out what other forums are saying about the players we may or may not be targeting? Well, supporters of other clubs can see this forum too. And they may well see the worst of it. Think before you post. Strange in that we're often told by some posters that Datm is not representative of the supporters as a whole. I suppose its representative only when the caps fits. A bit like a UGOV poll of 2,000 recently on Twitter which said that the views of the majority were against lifting Covid restrictions, whereas a similar poll of 37,000 run by GB news at the same time said 72% were in favour, but this was dismissed as rubbish. |
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Post by merseysideterrier on Jul 17, 2021 0:31:58 GMT 1
Thank you for engaging with my point constructively, refreshing to see that on the internet and I appreciate it. I understand what you're saying but I have two issues. One, what if people browsing DATM (or other Town fans in general) are dealing with issues like the ones I discussed? And two, if Oti is willing to air those views here what's to say he doesn't in 'real life'? I am pleased that the majority of posters agree that comments like those mentioned are unacceptable. I also agree that barbaric views and practices in any religion should not be tolerated, and those found to be transgressing the secular law of the land should be punished severely. The harm done by religions across the world in this area is significantly worse than anything Oti has done, and that's why we need to press the Government to ensure Britain takes the lead in promoting inclusion, diversity and tolerance internationally. This shouldn't stop us from doing what we can in our own little corners of the country/the internet however. My grandad ace as he was and what he done in his service, he called a spade a spade and his mate nigel was black. Referred to as N Nigel..... No matter ya era you need to adapt. Hadn't seen oti be racist tbh but its no place. He needs some education in culture, for a man globe trotting he should know best. He's an immigrant in theory. Life bans are a tad mad. If you boot them off with a pre made reason they can't learn and get why. Educate and ask why now still say that. It's 2021 not 1980. We all adapt, times change, booting off doesn't solve it, it can make it worse. Message and talk, explain etc and if someone doesn't want to Co operate that's fine. But at least try help them understand its bang wrong. Life's very snowflakey now, some don't like swearing etc, can't buy that shit. But racism people can be educated and if not then bye. At least try I get what you're saying and I agree that education is better than blanket bans. However from what I've seen myself and understand from the admins is that Oti has been warned repeatedly on this topic and refuses to adapt. At what point do we draw the line and decide it's more important to protect those he derides than to try and redeem the unrepentant? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 0:33:01 GMT 1
Itās getting like Twitter on here extremely left wing people screaming left wing views at other left wing people. Stick to the football, place doesnāt even need admins.
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Post by est1908 on Jul 17, 2021 0:41:19 GMT 1
I hope he still is here, it's so easy to still post, as Thick Nick has proved.....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 0:42:05 GMT 1
I hope he still is here, it's so easy to still post, as Thick Nick has proved..... Oti be in Poland on a VPN course he's here..... |
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Post by yoy on Jul 17, 2021 0:56:34 GMT 1
I've been trying to stay out of this because I hate the pointless mud slinging of the "political" parts of this site. However I feel like this needs to be called out. People are harmed by being told, repeatedly, that who they love makes them "deviant" or a "pervert". People spend years hiding who they are from the people around them for fear of comments exactly like that, and carrying something like that can eat away at them. Ultimately discrimination, alienation and bullying leads to increased mental health crises, increased likelihood of self harm and ultimately increased rates of suicide. This has been demonstrated by study after study. Oti, or anyone, can think or feel what they want. They can't come on to a public space and vent repugnant views like that, especially after being repeatedly warned. People on this thread have made a lot out of "free speech" but, as has been pointed out, this doesn't entail freedom from consequence. These consequences extend to you and to the people around you. Free speech is a right but also a privilege, and it's incumbent on us to be grown up and to use it responsibly. I do get your point. I knew a lad, well he was the younger brother of someone I knew, who's family's reaction was so bad when he came out, he upped sticks and emigrated to Australia , never to come back. Im sure others will react in a much worse way than just cutting family ties. But Otium isn't people around them. Hes some bloke on an obscure part of a obscure Internet forum (who's probably used that language once, not repeatedly by the way) Its some leap isn't it to think his views are going to effect anyone to any degree,, this nobody somewhere on the internet ..and as I said before, pretty insulting to think that anyone would be that fragile IMO. If anything isn't the fact his views are so isolated to him and him alone, and are seen to be pretty universally disagreed with by literally everyone else, a positive message? Like I said, if his views on gays are so unnacceptable that they can't be aired, then lets shut the churches and mosques, as they promote the same opinions, just inflated millions of times over. This is utter nonsense. Your argument is that people are tough enough to take the pretty open airing of ridiculous bias? And if his views on the matter are inconsequential then what is the upside of him airing them? Iād be pretty sure that the probability of those comments worsening someoneās experience of the forum is an awful lot higher than the probability of them improving someoneās experience of the site. Zero upside, plenty of potential downside that makes our forum less inclusive. Whatās not to love. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2021 1:03:01 GMT 1
I'll have one last say on this post. He is extravagant but if he makes ya pissed off l, you need to revaluate life. His stories are gold on here and have history. He may not be ya cup of tea but he's fun, different. Racism no excuse but rather he be told than binned. Datm is shite without mad personalities, so is life. Bring Oti back
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Post by impact on Jul 17, 2021 3:11:01 GMT 1
Those wanting him back must then also agree to ignore every rule of this forum.
That means no WUMs get banned and the board is full of them and people can post what they want no matter how distasteful.
It would soon turn into a disaster of a forum.
I would have sympathy if he said something and was banned without warning. He's been warned many times. He's a bright bloke and knows exactly what he's doing. If you are told saying this will lead to a ban and you say it, that's on you. And no doubt he's sat at home delighted that he's still the centre of attention.
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