Are the forum rules not fit for purpose?

[townrwe]

Life bans are a reflection of poor work from Admin and poor moderation, apart from the obvious Leeds WUM. To be fair deleting posts where users are just swearing at each other and generally been abusive and chucking them off for the evening would be pro-active admin, moderation work. Not letting it happen, let hundreds of people be annoyed by it and then dishing out bans like confetti after the event.

[Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser)]

Jul 20, 2021 10:35:20 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Jul 20, 2021 10:29:32 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

Yet you've just advocated an approach of deleting threads before they break the rules.

The circus must be down a member of staff today.

Incorrect, I advocated monitoring and moderation to stop more serious breaches of rules. Its pretty rare that someone just comes out with a full blown life ban statement without any provocation or build up. As soon as it stepped over the line and flames start is the position to step in.... after the smoke but before the stadium is in ashes.

If its smoking leave it.
If its burning put it out.
If its a burning mess..... its too late and the admin and moderation team has failed in its duty to keep this place safe, moderate and enjoyable.   

Jesus wept, you said this just hours ago:

Jul 20, 2021 8:28:53 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Jul 19, 2021 22:40:57 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

I'm actually starting to agree with the premise of this thread. The rules do need revision. We need a rule that allows an instant ban for unforgivable levels of stupidity.

You are supposed to be beacon on impartiality.... your position really is untenable.

Open the Admin to 10 members. The two remaining admin become super admin. Then the new 10 can moderate the site and shut down and delete conversation threads BEFORE they get too close to the wire. Problem with 3 is your putting out fires after the street has burnt down.

Seriously, are you posting pissed at 10am?

[Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser)]

Jul 20, 2021 10:40:11 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Life bans are a reflection of poor work from Admin and poor moderation, apart from the obvious Leeds WUM. To be fair deleting posts where users are just swearing at each other and generally been abusive and chucking them off for the evening would be pro-active admin, moderation work. Not letting it happen, let hundreds of people be annoyed by it and then dishing out bans like confetti after the event.

So would you say people banned for driving are the result of poor policing?

If I didn't know your history as a poster, I'd assume this was a parody.

[townrwe]

Jul 20, 2021 10:40:49 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

Jul 20, 2021 10:35:20 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Incorrect, I advocated monitoring and moderation to stop more serious breaches of rules. Its pretty rare that someone just comes out with a full blown life ban statement without any provocation or build up. As soon as it stepped over the line and flames start is the position to step in.... after the smoke but before the stadium is in ashes.

If its smoking leave it.
If its burning put it out.
If its a burning mess..... its too late and the admin and moderation team has failed in its duty to keep this place safe, moderate and enjoyable.   

Jesus wept, you said this just hours ago:

Jul 20, 2021 8:28:53 GMT 1 townrwe said:

You are supposed to be beacon on impartiality.... your position really is untenable.

Open the Admin to 10 members. The two remaining admin become super admin. Then the new 10 can moderate the site and shut down and delete conversation threads BEFORE they get too close to the wire. Problem with 3 is your putting out fires after the street has burnt down.

Seriously, are you posting pissed at 10am?

Im talking about the wire of permanent bannage..... not the crossing of the line acceptability. The flames start when you cross the line of acceptability and the stadium is on fire at the wire of permanent bannage. 

[townrwe]

Jul 20, 2021 10:41:59 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

Jul 20, 2021 10:40:11 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Life bans are a reflection of poor work from Admin and poor moderation, apart from the obvious Leeds WUM. To be fair deleting posts where users are just swearing at each other and generally been abusive and chucking them off for the evening would be pro-active admin, moderation work. Not letting it happen, let hundreds of people be annoyed by it and then dishing out bans like confetti after the event.

So would you say people banned for driving are the result of poor policing?

If I didn't know your history as a poster, I'd assume this was a parody.

No... If your looking for an example then something along the lines of.

Police having Intel on a potential suicide bomber and not monitoring and stepping in at the correct time and allowing them to carry out an atrocity..... that's poor policing.

Reactive ADMIN vs Proactive admin.

[Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser)]

Jul 20, 2021 10:49:32 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Jul 20, 2021 10:40:49 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

Jesus wept, you said this just hours ago:


Seriously, are you posting pissed at 10am?

Im talking about the wire of permanent bannage..... not the crossing of the line acceptability. The flames start when you cross the line of acceptability and the stadium is on fire at the wire of permanent bannage. 

If anyone can translate this into meaningful English, that would be great.

[Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser)]

Jul 20, 2021 10:57:36 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Jul 20, 2021 10:41:59 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

So would you say people banned for driving are the result of poor policing?

If I didn't know your history as a poster, I'd assume this was a parody.

No... If your looking for an example then something along the lines of.

Police having Intel on a potential suicide bomber and not monitoring and stepping in at the correct time and allowing them to carry out an atrocity..... that's poor policing.

Reactive ADMIN vs Proactive admin.

And, in reality, how would that work on a forum like this? How would any admin team have actionable intelligence that would trigger the proactive measures you're speaking of?

I mean, I know the answer. We couldn't possibly.

I do feel we've hit the crackpot jackpot here.

[allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF)]

Admins general question

Is it possible to limit a poster to which sub groups they have access to?

May be we could have an "Elba" where those who are deemed unfit for exposure to the general population could spout their vitreol and posters who chose to engage can

They can still read posts
They can dm others?
They can be self isolating with fovid 19 until they test negative.
Followed by a parole ?

Ignoring the poor humour is this feasible it might be a solution to the free speech question

[townrwe]

Jul 20, 2021 11:17:04 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

Jul 20, 2021 10:57:36 GMT 1 townrwe said:

No... If your looking for an example then something along the lines of.

Police having Intel on a potential suicide bomber and not monitoring and stepping in at the correct time and allowing them to carry out an atrocity..... that's poor policing.

Reactive ADMIN vs Proactive admin.

And, in reality, how would that work on a forum like this? How would any admin team have actionable intelligence that would trigger the proactive measures you're speaking of?

I mean, I know the answer. We couldn't possibly.

I do feel we've hit the crackpot jackpot here.

The Intel is the subject matter, You would monitor and step in if required, Impossible with 3 admin. So you need a team of moderators doing what moderators do, monitor and step in before the stadium is on fire.  Life bans are failed moderation.

[Wingman]

Jul 20, 2021 10:18:38 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Jul 20, 2021 10:07:12 GMT 1 Wingman said:

This board really is screwed if Townrwe ever becomes an Admin. Lunatic taking over the asylum comes to mind.

Im in no doubt that the lunatics running this would never allow me in to become chief lunatic..... Just like Labour would never let Jacob Rees-Mogg into their party.Id help with moderation if that was agreeable. You would never notice me as i'm liberal, believe strongly in freedom of speech as long as it isnt too close to the knuckle... something sadly missing in the social media snowflake generation, Its easier to be offended when you look to take the written word out of context as a default position.

It’s absolutely nothing personal old bean. It’s more to do with your posting history re transfers; spam in other words.

Spam doesn’t befit an Admin. 😉

[Lard Buttie]

Are the forum rules just being questioned now because of Oti's ban?

I don't recollect umpteen page threads on the rules prior to this.

I personally don't agree with his lifetime ban but I understand it and the reasoning for it.

Same with legal rules in the real world. Some of those don't appear fit for purpose but there will always be exceptions to 'rules', but on the whole they work

[Porrohman]

Jul 19, 2021 17:03:14 GMT 1 El Mel said:

Jul 19, 2021 15:34:06 GMT 1 artysid said:

Do you genuinely believe having a set of rules that try to ensure people interact decently between each other is the main reasons people leave this forum, as opposed to reading some of the intolerant abusive posts some posters believe are an acceptable way to interact with others ?

Am I right in assuming you believe the rules are too restrictive at the moment and need relaxing even more? Apologies if I've got that wrong.

The rules define the forum mate, you know how many characters used to post on here that don't bother anymore.

It all feels a bit - 'Family Stand' these days.

The reporting system just allows folk to grass up people they don't like, until eventually, they are gone.

Can't you re-start the one you and your mates flounced off to set up a few years ago, maybe all the "characters" will come back to you, except Nick as he wasn't allowed to join

[Porrohman]

Jul 19, 2021 17:55:43 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Jul 19, 2021 15:21:22 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

As I see it, your suggestions here highlight that the admin role isn't for everyone...

In that case I imagine it's definitely not for you. Folk offer constructive input but the dictatorship of melts decide to do what it wants. Remind me who this forum is running for? Your job is to encourage as many people from as diverse a background to have the opportunity to enjoy interacting with the forum, it is not to dictate what can be said and who can say what depending on if you like them or not.

Tbf under the forum rules about wind ups your lucky to still be on here after all the "in the know" transfer bollocks you've posted

[Porrohman]

Jul 19, 2021 19:42:50 GMT 1 Manx Terrier said:

Sorry about a long post.

The present rules are not fit for purpose and need revising and simplifying. They should be designed primarily to protect abuse of specific forum members and not be about hurting feelings of individuals or groups.

As an example have a look at Liverpool FC Forum Rules below and they are clear, straight forward and simple to understand and the type of thing we need.

Ours are long, complicated and quite unfair in places. It is at the end a football forum and it's focus should be preventing abuse - not stopping comments that might upset people.


Forum Rules
----------------

1. The following are UNACCEPTABLE and will likely result in a permanent ban or a severe warning. Posts will also be deleted.

1.1 RACIST abuse of another forum member.

1.2 SPAM / ADVERTISING ( This forum doesn't offer advertising for free. If you want to post a commercial link or engage in advertising then please email us first - [e-mail] )

1.3 TICKET TOUTING ( ie. selling a ticket over face value + reasonable postage costs )

1.4 BULLYING OR ABUSIVE POSTS aimed at a fellow poster. We do understand that occasionally emotion can run high but any concerted and continuing abuse aimed at another poster will be classed as trolling and will result in action.

Forum Guidelines
-------------------

Please stick to our clear guidelines to get the best experience out of the forum

2.1 DO NOT TROLL - The spirit of the forum has been maintained because of our determination to remove users who engage in baiting, trolling and deliberately winding up other users. We have banned a number of members even with very high post counts on the forum and will do so again.

2.2 DON'T SIGN UP WITH A FAKE EMAIL ADDRESS/USING PROXY SOFTWARE - If you signed up to the forum with a fake or disposable email address it is likely that you will see your account restricted, and you could lose access to it.

2.3 FANS OF OTHER CLUBS WELCOME - As long as you're not an idiot. If you come to talk sense and decent football chat you're welcome. If you're on a wind up or here to troll Liverpool fans you will be banned and your posts will be deleted.

2.4 SWEARING IS ALLOWED (BUT NOT IN TOPIC TITLES) - when you first sign up an automatic word-censor is in place. If you are an adult and can take a bit of industrial language - you can switch this off as one of your member profile options. This is a football forum and there may be words used that could be heard at football grounds.

However, use it in moderation and NEVER in the title of a new topic.

2.5 DO NOT POST IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS - Posting in all caps is rude.

2.6 AVOID TEXT SPEAK & USE PROPER ENGLISH - Put effort in to your posts. If your first language is English then you should know sentences start with a capital letter and end with full stops, and that paragraphs are used to break up sentences.

Usually we will delete a poorly written post. We will attempt to assist those who have a good level of English as their second language but our time is limited.

2.7 POST FULL TEXT WITH ANY LINK - If you're posting a news article then you should post the full article and the link. Posting a link alone will arouse our 'spam' suspicions.

2.8 DO NOT POST ANYTHING FROM THE S*N NEWSPAPER - Click here for a reminder

Warnings and Bans

If a user is handed 3 official warnings within a 9 month period they will receive an automatic 2 month ban.

After this a 9 month probation period is in effect. Any further warning in that time will result in an automatic 3 month ban.

Forum staff have the right to ban users either temporarily or permanently depending on the severity of offences either listed or unlisted above.



3. Changing your profile / Using the Forum

As a registered member of the forum you can customise your profile. www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?action=profile

Users who have donated to the cost of the forum are classed as subscribers and join the Anfield Hero membergroup. These members not only help keep the forum online but also receive a number of extra features including avatar display and post notifications.

In your profile section you can add in your gender, location and birthday (to be featured in the calendar).

Avatars & Signatures

To ensure the forum runs smoothly, loads quickly, and is accessible by as many people as possible please adhere to the following:

3.1 Avatars - no bigger than 100 pixels (width) x 150 (height) in size and smaller than 20kb in size. The forum will automatically convert an image to the required size when you upload it.
* Avatars are only visible next to your post if you have signed up as an Anfield Hero and donated to the running cost of the forum. More info here www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?topic=23790.0

3.2 Signature bars - Graphic images in signature bars should be no bigger than 400 x 90 and should have a maximum size of 25kb. This is easily achievable. Text in signatures should be inoffensive and not contain any swear words. Signatures should not include advertising or links without discussion with the Admin of the board. Links to personal websites or your own blogs etc that do not contain advertising is allowed. Keep it tidy. Signatures should be brief and if they contain text should be limited to one or two lines.

If you don't want to see other users signatures you can deselect this option in your profile page.

(Information on adding your signature is here: www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,9093.0.html)

When you Register on this forum

When you register you will receive an activation email to your email address. You will need to click this link in this email to 'activate' your account on the forum. If the email hasn't arrived then check your spam folder. By default your email is private. Your password is encrypted. If you forget your password you can request a new password sent to your email address.

If you want to introduce yourself and post a little bit about yourself and the reds - then reply in this topic www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,51.0.html

Your post ranking is linked to the number of posts you make

These rankings are based on official LFC player appearances. As your post count increases you will move through from Liverpool irregulars to some of the legends of Anfield.

Posting privileges

Once you are registered, you will be able to reply to any post immediately on any board. After you have made 24 posts you will be rewarded with your first European Cup! and will then be able to start your own topics on the forum, rate other posts, play on the arcade etc.

More info here www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,9070.0.html

Personal Messages

You are only able to send 10 personal messages in a one hour period. This is to protect the forum from spam. Users with less than 5 posts will need to enter a CAPTCHA code to send a personal message. Users who have never posted on the board will not be able to send personal messages. All users can receive personal messages from other users.

Reporting posts and personal messages to the moderators

If you believe any post on the forum, or personal message sent to you, to be offensive, to be spam, ticket touting etc or in breach of the main forum rules, you can report it to the forum moderators. A link exists underneath next to every post on the forum.

If minor rules are broken - moderators will either edit your comment and/or send you a message.

Finally

We are a completely independent and unofficial Liverpool FC website based in Liverpool.

We are not a campaigning group and have no direct affiliation with any of the LFC related pressure or action groups, even though individuals have their own opinions on particular topics. This forum exists solely for the purpose of enabling interaction amongst Liverpool FC supporters.

This forum is provided free of charge for basic use. You can help with the costs of running the site by upgrading your account by taking out a subscription (see the Forum/Site News board).

Enjoy yourself.

www.lfcreds.com
'The Liverpool FC forum'



www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php?action=pages

Does it mention knicking phones and computers to log on there in the first place ?

[Porrohman]

Jul 20, 2021 10:40:11 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Life bans are a reflection of poor work from Admin and poor moderation, apart from the obvious Leeds WUM. To be fair deleting posts where users are just swearing at each other and generally been abusive and chucking them off for the evening would be pro-active admin, moderation work. Not letting it happen, let hundreds of people be annoyed by it and then dishing out bans like confetti after the event.

Constantly warning people and handing out bans as the warnings are ignored is poor work from the Admin and not the fault of the one not taking heed of the said warnings......ok 🙄

[Porrohman]

Jul 20, 2021 11:15:26 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

Jul 20, 2021 10:49:32 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Im talking about the wire of permanent bannage..... not the crossing of the line acceptability. The flames start when you cross the line of acceptability and the stadium is on fire at the wire of permanent bannage. 

If anyone can translate this into meaningful English, that would be great.

He's actually Keith Lard

[Deleted]

Jul 20, 2021 8:19:43 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Jul 20, 2021 7:22:29 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

So you're saying some racial or homophobic abuse is more acceptable than others 🤔

No im saying some racial and homophobic dialogue is acceptable even when not a mainstream view even when it's controversial but isn't necessarily abusive. Just like someone expressing their views on veganism. There is a threshold, but it should be set at a higher level where it becomes abusive.

If you don't have opposing views then you don't have discussion and argument. Forums are designed for discussion and argument, not censorship.

I genuinely think the ADMIN have this wrong, but also can see why 3 like minded admin may censor homophobic language whilst allowing views they agree with. The problem here isn't the rules or the topics, it's the lack of diversity and representation of the ADMIN team.

I offered to be an ADMIN. I totally accept that my views are totally different to the current ADMINS extreme views, so on that basis that I don't fit into the clique I was rejected.

Says it all really, the admin are saying what's acceptable and what isn't from a snowflake left position and are unwilling to accept a proper representative committee.

How could you have been rejected when I read that you did not apply due to being too busy?

[allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF)]

Jul 20, 2021 12:01:33 GMT 1 Wingman said:

Jul 20, 2021 10:18:38 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Im in no doubt that the lunatics running this would never allow me in to become chief lunatic..... Just like Labour would never let Jacob Rees-Mogg into their party.Id help with moderation if that was agreeable. You would never notice me as i'm liberal, believe strongly in freedom of speech as long as it isnt too close to the knuckle... something sadly missing in the social media snowflake generation, Its easier to be offended when you look to take the written word out of context as a default position.

It’s absolutely nothing personal old bean. It’s more to do with your posting history re transfers; spam in other words.

Spam doesn’t befit an Admin. 😉

Spam should only be seen in a fritter

[allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF)]

Jul 20, 2021 12:45:17 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Jul 20, 2021 11:15:26 GMT 1 Gag_N_Bone_Man (Destabiliser) said:

If anyone can translate this into meaningful English, that would be great.

He's actually Keith Lard

He's drawing a terrier 🤔😚

[kennyk2]

Jul 20, 2021 11:20:14 GMT 1 allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) said:

Admins general question

1. Is it possible to limit a poster to which sub groups they have access to?

2. May be we could have an "Elba" where those who are deemed unfit for exposure to the general population could spout their vitreol and posters who chose to engage can

They can still read posts
They can dm others?
They can be self isolating with fovid 19 until they test negative.
Followed by a parole ?

Ignoring the poor humour is this feasible it might be a solution to the free speech question

Good points.

1. I'm afraid that Proboards is not capable of such fine tuning.

2. We have, in the main, managed to herd these people into Politics and Current Affairs and left them to get on with it... within reason. Be aware, I'm not saying that everybody who posts there is unfit to post or unreasonable.

[Deleted]

Jul 20, 2021 9:34:35 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

Jul 19, 2021 18:05:56 GMT 1 @stufoster said:

Hello all - been a while.

As an ex-admin I want to make you aware of one very important thing.

This is a free-to-run Proboards forum - not one person ‘owns’ it or makes money from it - it’s for the fans, always has been.

However - if content of a certain persuasion is posted - then pro boards are very quick to issue a warning and/or a takedown notice. They can scuttle this entire board in a heartbeat - I’ve seen and dealt with the threats before.

Worth having the context whilst you are all getting frothy at the mouth.

The job SUCKS BALLS - admins deserve a medal, easy or not.

And I think this (coupled with the repeated warnings detailed by Grimflake) pretty much sums up - even if (like me) you don't like the decision to remove Otium - why the admins were right to take the action they did.

It makes it harder to accept because he is/was an entertaining character but also because of his health situation. If he had many healthy years ahead of him it would be perhaps less controversial.

Above all though, welcome back. I doubt I'm the only one who has missed your input. Hope you stick around.

Very kind of you to say - I fell out of love with football after we made it to the prem and saw it for what it is - It’s slowly coming back to me because I believe in Big Phil - like many others who have the actual truth as their guide.

We got absolutely and totally fucked by Dean Hoyle - there’s your actual truth.

Peace out and BIG LOVE to Ben, Dom, Cole, G, Ian - brothers - sorry for letting you all down - I had no idea.

See you round chaps - play nice

Fuck the Racists.

[allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF)]

Jul 20, 2021 15:13:50 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Jul 20, 2021 11:20:14 GMT 1 allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) said:

Admins general question

1. Is it possible to limit a poster to which sub groups they have access to?

2. May be we could have an "Elba" where those who are deemed unfit for exposure to the general population could spout their vitreol and posters who chose to engage can

They can still read posts
They can dm others?
They can be self isolating with fovid 19 until they test negative.
Followed by a parole ?

Ignoring the poor humour is this feasible it might be a solution to the free speech question

Good points.

1. I'm afraid that Proboards is not capable of such fine tuning.

2. We have, in the main, managed to herd these people into Politics and Current Affairs and left them to get on with it... within reason. Be aware, I'm not saying that everybody who posts there is unfit to post or unreasonable.

Thanks for the prompt response I do think in a world of social media chaos something needs to change
Do proboards accept feedback? And suggestions on such a hot topic they may be interested in fulfilling social responsibility and accountability happy to contact directly if there is a contact🤯

[Deleted]

Jul 20, 2021 15:13:50 GMT 1 kennyk2 said:

Jul 20, 2021 11:20:14 GMT 1 allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) said:

Admins general question

1. Is it possible to limit a poster to which sub groups they have access to?

Good points.

1. I'm afraid that Proboards is not capable of such fine tuning.

This is not correct.


You can create a new private (so people have to be manually moved into it) Member Group.

Then on a per board or per category level**, go into the settings / permissions and for the desired options select 'Custom' - you can then add the new private group in the...

"And members in the group" setting if you want to have a board that *only* people in the new private group (and any moderator or admin groups that you tick) can get at.
...or the "Except members in the group" setting if you want to have a board that people added to the new private group *can't* access.



Then you just add and remove the naughty people into this new private group, and it would be very easy for example to create a ring-fenced area so that those in temporary ban type situation can discuss issues with multiple admins in a limited forum (rather than via PM which limits them to sensible conversation with a single admin), whilst also preventing them from replying to, or creating any new threads elsewhere (but letting them still read what is happening).

Using similar approach, it would also be easy to implement a concept such as "red card banned from posting in the child friendly football areas, but you're still allowed to post in more robust 'caveat emptor' type areas in Off Topic" config if that was ever desired.


**For the benefit of those who don't know, if you go to the top level of datm, then 'Forum Rules', 'Support', 'General', etc are 'categories' - and then the individual forums of "Forum Rules & Admin Issues", "Talk of the Town" etc are 'boards'.

[aloadofdbullocks]

Jul 20, 2021 12:23:57 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Jul 19, 2021 17:03:14 GMT 1 El Mel said:

The rules define the forum mate, you know how many characters used to post on here that don't bother anymore.

It all feels a bit - 'Family Stand' these days.

The reporting system just allows folk to grass up people they don't like, until eventually, they are gone.

Can't you re-start the one you and your mates flounced off to set up a few years ago, maybe all the "characters" will come back to you, except Nick as he wasn't allowed to join

Is this actually true that Nick wasn’t allowed to join their forum?

[El Mel]

Jul 20, 2021 17:28:20 GMT 1 aloadofdbullocks said:

Jul 20, 2021 12:23:57 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Can't you re-start the one you and your mates flounced off to set up a few years ago, maybe all the "characters" will come back to you, except Nick as he wasn't allowed to join

Is this actually true that Nick wasn’t allowed to join their forum?

Yes, we were visionaries.

[Deleted]

Jul 20, 2021 10:40:11 GMT 1 townrwe said:

Life bans are a reflection of poor work from Admin and poor moderation, apart from the obvious Leeds WUM. To be fair deleting posts where users are just swearing at each other and generally been abusive and chucking them off for the evening would be pro-active admin, moderation work. Not letting it happen, let hundreds of people be annoyed by it and then dishing out bans like confetti after the event.

I must say, the idea of a lifetime ban doesn’t sit well.

A lifetime ban removes the notion that people can redeem themselves. It takes away the idea that they can’t change.

Most people change in one way or another over the course of one year - never mind five, or even ten. Some people don’t, of course, and I imagine the admins believe Otium falls into that category.

I absolutely support Otium receiving punishment, he deserves it, regardless of his unfortunate illness. But, make it reasonable, make it sensible.

There are a few alternatives to a lifetime ban: the main one being a rule where you’re banned for x amount of years instead of your whole life.

That’s the only rule I would change on here. Otherwise, I think the admins have it spot on.

[Tinpot]

Jul 20, 2021 15:07:49 GMT 1 allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) said:

Jul 20, 2021 12:01:33 GMT 1 Wingman said:

It’s absolutely nothing personal old bean. It’s more to do with your posting history re transfers; spam in other words.

Spam doesn’t befit an Admin. 😉

Spam should only be seen in a fritter

I would suggest not even then.

[Tinpot]

Jul 20, 2021 16:02:16 GMT 1 @stufoster said:

Jul 20, 2021 9:34:35 GMT 1 Tinpot said:

And I think this (coupled with the repeated warnings detailed by Grimflake) pretty much sums up - even if (like me) you don't like the decision to remove Otium - why the admins were right to take the action they did.

It makes it harder to accept because he is/was an entertaining character but also because of his health situation. If he had many healthy years ahead of him it would be perhaps less controversial.

Above all though, welcome back. I doubt I'm the only one who has missed your input. Hope you stick around.

Very kind of you to say - I fell out of love with football after we made it to the prem and saw it for what it is - It’s slowly coming back to me because I believe in Big Phil - like many others who have the actual truth as their guide.

We got absolutely and totally fucked by Dean Hoyle - there’s your actual truth.

Peace out and BIG LOVE to Ben, Dom, Cole, G, Ian - brothers - sorry for letting you all down - I had no idea.

See you round chaps - play nice

Fuck the Racists.

Bloody hell. We get rid of one controversial poster & then you come back with something like that?!?!

(kidding, tbf I also believe he's the right man to guide us through a tough situation.)

[Deleted]

The truth will out one day and we will all see clearly who the saviour of Huddersfield Town really was.

[Tinpot]

Jul 20, 2021 18:21:24 GMT 1 @stufoster said:

The truth will out one day and we will all see clearly who the saviour of Huddersfield Town really was.