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Think it's starting to dawn on Newcastle fans that the moral dilemma isn't the only downside of this. Starting to hear some real grumblings of discontent up here.

One of my mates is a season ticket holder and is a bit worried about being priced out over the next few years. He already pays over £600 for his season ticket. Now, if he wants to go to any cup tie, he has to commit to a cup scheme for each competition. So if he wants to go to a Champions League match, which he obviously does, he has to commit to all of the home Champions League matches at £55 a match. If he wants to go to an FA Cup tie, he has to commit to all home FA Cup ties at £30 a match. If he wants to go to a Carabao Cup tie, he has to commit to all home Carabao Cup ties at £20 a match. If he doesn't opt in to the scheme, then he loses any priority so would be unlikely to get a ticket for a decent cup tie.

Lots of other mates can't get season tickets so are members. Members can enter a ballot for home tickets and everyone has an equal chance, regardless of whether they've been a member for years or just decided to start following Newcastle in the last 6 months. If you enter the ballot, you can't specify which tickets you want - so you may end up being drawn in the seats priced at £74 and have no option but to pay it.

[paullow1]

Aug 2, 2023 15:30:35 GMT 1 @superstevieharper said:

Think it's starting to dawn on Newcastle fans that the moral dilemma isn't the only downside of this. Starting to hear some real grumblings of discontent up here.

One of my mates is a season ticket holder and is a bit worried about being priced out over the next few years. He already pays over £600 for his season ticket. Now, if he wants to go to any cup tie, he has to commit to a cup scheme for each competition. So if he wants to go to a Champions League match, which he obviously does, he has to commit to all of the home Champions League matches at £55 a match. If he wants to go to an FA Cup tie, he has to commit to all home FA Cup ties at £30 a match. If he wants to go to a Carabao Cup tie, he has to commit to all home Carabao Cup ties at £20 a match. If he doesn't opt in to the scheme, then he loses any priority so would be unlikely to get a ticket for a decent cup tie.

Lots of other mates can't get season tickets so are members. Members can enter a ballot for home tickets and everyone has an equal chance, regardless of whether they've been a member for years or just decided to start following Newcastle in the last 6 months. If you enter the ballot, you can't specify which tickets you want - so you may end up being drawn in the seats priced at £74 and have no option but to pay it.

Na, the domestic cup scheme is on an individual match basis and just allows you to secure your season ticket seat for a particular match. If you bought a ticket in the FA Cup 3rd round, you wouldn't have to get one for a potential home 4th, 5th, 6th, semi final etc. Likewise the League Cup.

The Champions League scheme was a 3 match package, and pretty much everyone would want to be part of it, and if you couldn't make one of the 3 group matches, I'm pretty sure you could sell any of the games for a significant profit, and if for whatever reason you didn't want to commit to the 3 matches, then you could join the ballot like non season ticket holders and try and secure them on an individual basis, but obviously in this case, you would pass up your opportunity for a guaranteed seat. I think the cup schemes have generally gone down pretty well with the fan base.

The ballot system for non season ticket holder members was the major first own goal since the takeover, although it was quickly rectified less than 24 hours later. At the start you had no choice and could randomly get either £44 or £74 tickets and this did cause uproar online and the supporters trust got involved and the next morning the club amended it and now there are price bands that you can choose from but you still can't choose a specific seat - although that's fairly normal when demand massively exceeds supply.

No doubt prices will continue to go up as and when the club continues to grow and get bigger and better, and some may well unfortunately eventually be priced out, but at the moment the price increase hasn't been too significant, especially season tickets.

[Captainslapper]

Gonna say, any Newcastle who can get a ticket for any game at the moment will be able to sell it on for a huge profit.

there are tens of thousands who would give their back teeth to be able to commit to getting all the home CL games for £55 a pop.

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 3, 2023 18:30:34 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Gonna say, any Newcastle who can get a ticket for any game at the moment will be able to sell it on for a huge profit.

there are tens of thousands who would give their back teeth to be able to commit to getting all the home CL games for £55 a pop.

Moving up that way . Can you appreciate what a huge club Newcastle are ? Or aren't you "North enough' ?

[Captainslapper]

Im an hours drive from Newcastle but theres a few in the village and none of them can get a ticket for love nor money.
Considering they havent won bugger all since roman times its amazing how big a club Newcastle are. If St James park held 100k thered still be thousands who couldn't get a ticket.

[Chips Longhorn]

Huge club . Personally I'd love to see them win some silverware and reward the geordies for enduring Mike Ashley for so long

[Porrohman]

Aug 3, 2023 19:25:44 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Huge club . Personally I'd love to see them win some silverware and reward the geordies for enduring Mike Ashley for so long

For him keeping them from going bust ? He always seemed to be doing a decent job there considering the fans seemed to think they were up there with the big teams that consistently won things 🤔

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 3, 2023 19:28:21 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Aug 3, 2023 19:25:44 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Huge club . Personally I'd love to see them win some silverware and reward the geordies for enduring Mike Ashley for so long

For him keeping them from going bust ? He always seemed to be doing a decent job there considering the fans seemed to think they were up there with the big teams that consistently won things 🤔

I'm sure I won't change your mind but they are bigger than all those teams bar Man Utd and possibly Liverpool. The fans have been starved for decades and hopefully that will be put right soon

[turbo2]

Aug 3, 2023 19:13:15 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Im an hours drive from Newcastle but theres a few in the village and none of them can get a ticket for love nor money.
Considering they havent won bugger all since roman times its amazing how big a club Newcastle are. If St James park held 100k thered still be thousands who couldn't get a ticket.

Huge support but they are below Southampton in turnover, and wolves, Leicester, West Ham etc etc

I’m sure they’ll be working on sorting that out. Is that due to corporate turnover ?? Less than Half the turnover of spuds and arse.

[Porrohman]

Aug 3, 2023 19:36:43 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Aug 3, 2023 19:28:21 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

For him keeping them from going bust ? He always seemed to be doing a decent job there considering the fans seemed to think they were up there with the big teams that consistently won things 🤔

I'm sure I won't change your mind but they are bigger than all those teams bar Man Utd and possibly Liverpool. The fans have been starved for decades and hopefully that will be put right soon

True, you won't 😁, they haven't won anything in my lifetime bar Division 2, a couple of times. Big teams win things. It always seems like the Leeds argument, big crowds = big team. I'd say they've not been close to a top team, in my life, except for a couple of years under KK and couple under Sir Bob.

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 3, 2023 19:50:03 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Aug 3, 2023 19:36:43 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

I'm sure I won't change your mind but they are bigger than all those teams bar Man Utd and possibly Liverpool. The fans have been starved for decades and hopefully that will be put right soon

True, you won't 😁, they haven't won anything in my lifetime bar Division 2, a couple of times. Big teams win things. It always seems like the Leeds argument, big crowds = big team. I'd say they've not been close to a top team, in my life, except for a couple of years under KK and couple under Sir Bob.

In my lifetime wigan , Wimbledon, Ipswich and Leeds have won the fa Cup

Forest Leeds Blackburn and Leicester have won the league

Newcastle are fucking huge win lose or draw. I think you need to experience life up there to understand it

The only set of fans with the same fervour in the UK is Glasgow celtic imo

[morleyterrier]

Short term euphoria what is going on up there.

When it all goes wrong, and it will and they are not alone.

[Carlito Brigante]

Aug 3, 2023 19:13:15 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Im an hours drive from Newcastle but theres a few in the village and none of them can get a ticket for love nor money.
Considering they havent won bugger all since roman times its amazing how big a club Newcastle are. If St James park held 100k thered still be thousands who couldn't get a ticket.

Where do you live now? I thought you were in Battyeford or some other part of Cleckmondsedge?

I am in Northumberland at the moment basking in the dry weather and admiring the dolphins 🐬

[Deleted]

Aug 3, 2023 18:25:31 GMT 1 paullow1 said:

Aug 2, 2023 15:30:35 GMT 1 @superstevieharper said:

Think it's starting to dawn on Newcastle fans that the moral dilemma isn't the only downside of this. Starting to hear some real grumblings of discontent up here.

One of my mates is a season ticket holder and is a bit worried about being priced out over the next few years. He already pays over £600 for his season ticket. Now, if he wants to go to any cup tie, he has to commit to a cup scheme for each competition. So if he wants to go to a Champions League match, which he obviously does, he has to commit to all of the home Champions League matches at £55 a match. If he wants to go to an FA Cup tie, he has to commit to all home FA Cup ties at £30 a match. If he wants to go to a Carabao Cup tie, he has to commit to all home Carabao Cup ties at £20 a match. If he doesn't opt in to the scheme, then he loses any priority so would be unlikely to get a ticket for a decent cup tie.

Lots of other mates can't get season tickets so are members. Members can enter a ballot for home tickets and everyone has an equal chance, regardless of whether they've been a member for years or just decided to start following Newcastle in the last 6 months. If you enter the ballot, you can't specify which tickets you want - so you may end up being drawn in the seats priced at £74 and have no option but to pay it.

Na, the domestic cup scheme is on an individual match basis and just allows you to secure your season ticket seat for a particular match. If you bought a ticket in the FA Cup 3rd round, you wouldn't have to get one for a potential home 4th, 5th, 6th, semi final etc. Likewise the League Cup.

The Champions League scheme was a 3 match package, and pretty much everyone would want to be part of it, and if you couldn't make one of the 3 group matches, I'm pretty sure you could sell any of the games for a significant profit, and if for whatever reason you didn't want to commit to the 3 matches, then you could join the ballot like non season ticket holders and try and secure them on an individual basis, but obviously in this case, you would pass up your opportunity for a guaranteed seat. I think the cup schemes have generally gone down pretty well with the fan base.

The ballot system for non season ticket holder members was the major first own goal since the takeover, although it was quickly rectified less than 24 hours later. At the start you had no choice and could randomly get either £44 or £74 tickets and this did cause uproar online and the supporters trust got involved and the next morning the club amended it and now there are price bands that you can choose from but you still can't choose a specific seat - although that's fairly normal when demand massively exceeds supply.

No doubt prices will continue to go up as and when the club continues to grow and get bigger and better, and some may well unfortunately eventually be priced out, but at the moment the price increase hasn't been too significant, especially season tickets.

This is from the Newcastle official website. Think my mate understood the cup schemes correctly.

During the renewal period, season ticket holders will have priority access to opt in to:
A Carabao Cup scheme that will automatically trigger the purchase of the existing season ticket seat (subject to availability) for any home 2023/24 Carabao Cup matches (does not include the final if reached).
An Emirates FA Cup scheme that will automatically trigger the purchase of the existing season ticket seat (subject to availability) for any home 2023/24 Emirates FA Cup matches (does not include the semi-final or final if reached).
Purchase a three-match package for Newcastle United's home UEFA Champions League group stage matches at a special season ticket holder rate. (Please note that after this period, any seats not sold to season ticket holders will go on sale as a three-match package to members – this member period will not include season ticket holders).

Good that they stood down on the ticket prices for the ballot. Still think it’s pretty poor that they are doing nothing to reward long term members though.

[paullow1]

Aug 3, 2023 21:21:08 GMT 1 @superstevieharper said:

Aug 3, 2023 18:25:31 GMT 1 paullow1 said:

Na, the domestic cup scheme is on an individual match basis and just allows you to secure your season ticket seat for a particular match. If you bought a ticket in the FA Cup 3rd round, you wouldn't have to get one for a potential home 4th, 5th, 6th, semi final etc. Likewise the League Cup.

The Champions League scheme was a 3 match package, and pretty much everyone would want to be part of it, and if you couldn't make one of the 3 group matches, I'm pretty sure you could sell any of the games for a significant profit, and if for whatever reason you didn't want to commit to the 3 matches, then you could join the ballot like non season ticket holders and try and secure them on an individual basis, but obviously in this case, you would pass up your opportunity for a guaranteed seat. I think the cup schemes have generally gone down pretty well with the fan base.

The ballot system for non season ticket holder members was the major first own goal since the takeover, although it was quickly rectified less than 24 hours later. At the start you had no choice and could randomly get either £44 or £74 tickets and this did cause uproar online and the supporters trust got involved and the next morning the club amended it and now there are price bands that you can choose from but you still can't choose a specific seat - although that's fairly normal when demand massively exceeds supply.

No doubt prices will continue to go up as and when the club continues to grow and get bigger and better, and some may well unfortunately eventually be priced out, but at the moment the price increase hasn't been too significant, especially season tickets.

This is from the Newcastle official website. Think my mate understood the cup schemes correctly.

During the renewal period, season ticket holders will have priority access to opt in to:
A Carabao Cup scheme that will automatically trigger the purchase of the existing season ticket seat (subject to availability) for any home 2023/24 Carabao Cup matches (does not include the final if reached).
An Emirates FA Cup scheme that will automatically trigger the purchase of the existing season ticket seat (subject to availability) for any home 2023/24 Emirates FA Cup matches (does not include the semi-final or final if reached).
Purchase a three-match package for Newcastle United's home UEFA Champions League group stage matches at a special season ticket holder rate. (Please note that after this period, any seats not sold to season ticket holders will go on sale as a three-match package to members – this member period will not include season ticket holders).

Good that they stood down on the ticket prices for the ballot. Still think it’s pretty poor that they are doing nothing to reward long term members though.

Aye, apologies, looks like you were correct regarding the domestic cups. Quite surprised by that, although it is worth considering that every single Newcastle home match was sold out last season (from a home perspective), including routine L32 and L16 League Cup matches against Crystal Palace and Bournemouth respectively, so it does at least give them the opportunity to lock down their own personal seat should they want to, even though it would obviously be better from their POV to do on an individual basis, and from the clubs POV, they either sell those tickets in advance, or if someone doesn't want to commit, then it does allow another body to get to go to the ground as there will be loads of fans who haven't witnessed a competitive home match since the takeover, and I guess probably more chance for the club to shift some merch if it's an excited newbie who doesn't get to go very often.

I guess it's hard to please everyone, but the main issue at the moment is the size of the ground. They are looking to try and extend where they can (there's a lot of restrictions), and they ideally want to remain at SJP, but I think in the coming years they will probably try and look to move elsewhere (hopefully within the city centre).

The other day was the first time that I had heard genuine widespread discontent from the fanbase regarding tickets and schemes. It really was universally negative. 

[4 pts]

Aug 3, 2023 19:55:55 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Aug 3, 2023 19:50:03 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

True, you won't 😁, they haven't won anything in my lifetime bar Division 2, a couple of times. Big teams win things. It always seems like the Leeds argument, big crowds = big team. I'd say they've not been close to a top team, in my life, except for a couple of years under KK and couple under Sir Bob.

In my lifetime wigan , Wimbledon, Ipswich and Leeds have won the fa Cup

Forest Leeds Blackburn and Leicester have won the league

Newcastle are fucking huge win lose or draw. I think you need to experience life up there to understand it

The only set of fans with the same fervour in the UK is Glasgow celtic imo

The Sports Direct stadium is extremely quiet until something goes wrong or they score. And as for "fervour", that usually goes hand in hand with how gobby/mouthy/chatty a region/community is. Glaswegians and Geordies are generally quite loud/vocal. In football terms, does that then make them huge ?
Win lose or draw from the Championship to the Premier league we had an absolutely fantastic atmosphere and were applauded for it by many a pundit and paper, but it certainly didn't make us huge

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 3, 2023 22:30:43 GMT 1 4 pts said:

Aug 3, 2023 19:55:55 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

In my lifetime wigan , Wimbledon, Ipswich and Leeds have won the fa Cup

Forest Leeds Blackburn and Leicester have won the league

Newcastle are fucking huge win lose or draw. I think you need to experience life up there to understand it

The only set of fans with the same fervour in the UK is Glasgow celtic imo

The Sports Direct stadium is extremely quiet until something goes wrong or they score. And as for "fervour", that usually goes hand in hand with how gobby/mouthy/chatty a region/community is. Glaswegians and Geordies are generally quite loud/vocal. In football terms, does that then make them huge ?
Win lose or draw from the Championship to the Premier league we had an absolutely fantastic atmosphere and we applauded for it by many a pundit and paper, but it certainly didn't make us huge

Ok mate if you say so

[4 pts]

Aug 3, 2023 22:33:41 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Aug 3, 2023 22:30:43 GMT 1 4 pts said:

The Sports Direct stadium is extremely quiet until something goes wrong or they score. And as for "fervour", that usually goes hand in hand with how gobby/mouthy/chatty a region/community is. Glaswegians and Geordies are generally quite loud/vocal. In football terms, does that then make them huge ?
Win lose or draw from the Championship to the Premier league we had an absolutely fantastic atmosphere and we applauded for it by many a pundit and paper, but it certainly didn't make us huge

Ok mate if you say so

OK Chris, you're correct. Newcastle are massive, hands down the biggest club in England (apart from Man U and Liverpool) because the chatter around the city is quite good 

[Chips Longhorn]

Aug 3, 2023 22:53:53 GMT 1 4 pts said:

Aug 3, 2023 22:33:41 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Ok mate if you say so

OK Chris, you're correct. Newcastle are massive, hands down the biggest club in England (apart from Man U and Liverpool) because the chatter around the city is quite good 

I didn't say that though did i ? Listen If you don't agree with me fair enough I won't change your mind. . As I say you've got to experience it to understand it . Opinions are like arseholes it's all good

[cyberman]

Aug 3, 2023 22:53:53 GMT 1 4 pts said:

Aug 3, 2023 22:33:41 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Ok mate if you say so

OK Chris, you're correct. Newcastle are massive, hands down the biggest club in England (apart from Man U and Liverpool) because the chatter around the city is quite good 

But are they on a par with the Beestonites ? -  or dare I say The Massive whose away support at 156,122,144,144,001 would fill the largest staduim in the world 100 times over !

[Captainslapper]

Aug 3, 2023 21:12:02 GMT 1 Carlito Brigante said:

Aug 3, 2023 19:13:15 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Im an hours drive from Newcastle but theres a few in the village and none of them can get a ticket for love nor money.
Considering they havent won bugger all since roman times its amazing how big a club Newcastle are. If St James park held 100k thered still be thousands who couldn't get a ticket.

Where do you live now? I thought you were in Battyeford or some other part of Cleckmondsedge?

I am in Northumberland at the moment basking in the dry weather and admiring the dolphins 🐬

Near Barnard Castle. On a hill thankfully so no dolphins in the garden just yet.

[dalesterrier]

Aug 4, 2023 9:02:50 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Aug 3, 2023 21:12:02 GMT 1 Carlito Brigante said:

Where do you live now? I thought you were in Battyeford or some other part of Cleckmondsedge?

I am in Northumberland at the moment basking in the dry weather and admiring the dolphins 🐬

Near Barnard Castle. On a hill thankfully so no dolphins in the garden just yet.

We should get a datm North Yorkshire branch going capn!!

[themanfromatlantis]

Aug 4, 2023 9:02:50 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Aug 3, 2023 21:12:02 GMT 1 Carlito Brigante said:

Where do you live now? I thought you were in Battyeford or some other part of Cleckmondsedge?

I am in Northumberland at the moment basking in the dry weather and admiring the dolphins 🐬

Near Barnard Castle. On a hill thankfully so no dolphins in the garden just yet.

That seems very apt Slapps…

I can just see you in your fort on your hill… 😉

It’s a nice part of the country of course…

[paullow1]

Aug 4, 2023 9:02:50 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Aug 3, 2023 21:12:02 GMT 1 Carlito Brigante said:

Where do you live now? I thought you were in Battyeford or some other part of Cleckmondsedge?

I am in Northumberland at the moment basking in the dry weather and admiring the dolphins 🐬

Near Barnard Castle. On a hill thankfully so no dolphins in the garden just yet.

What's the general split like there these days with it being a similar distance to Newcastle, Sunderland and Middlesbrough?

[paullow1]

Only 2 and a half hours to go until part 1 of the eagerly anticipated Amazon Prime docu-series drops.

[Mastercracker]

Hope there’s a town fan on Newcastles forum updating them on Nagles QnA and our imminent Netflix stardom.

[Porrohman]

Aug 10, 2023 21:32:57 GMT 1 paullow1 said:

Only 2 and a half hours to go until part 1 of the eagerly anticipated Amazon Prime docu-series drops.

Is it on after the watershed in case that plastic surgeons experiment scares the kids ?

[paullow1]

Aug 10, 2023 21:41:09 GMT 1 Porrohman said:

Aug 10, 2023 21:32:57 GMT 1 paullow1 said:

Only 2 and a half hours to go until part 1 of the eagerly anticipated Amazon Prime docu-series drops.

Is it on after the watershed in case that plastic surgeons experiment scares the kids ?

That's no way to speak of Queen Mandy. 

[paullow1]

Aug 10, 2023 21:38:18 GMT 1 Mastercracker said:

Hope there’s a town fan on Newcastles forum updating them on Nagles QnA and our imminent Netflix stardom.

You're welcome to join and post mate - newcastle-online.org/forum/5-football/ although unfortunately as of yet, no Newcastle fan has created a dedicated Huddersfield Town thread.

[Chips Longhorn]

Towns Netflix

"Huddersfield have made an offer for Blackpool's second string keeper which has been rejected . They were hoping for some shin pads in addition to the bag of balls "