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Post by brianstantonstash on Jan 24, 2022 14:43:05 GMT 1
Highlights and after match comments suggest what a real stinker of a game Toff had nowhere for the first 2 almost identical goals down his flank and lost his man for the 3rd header - thankfully Reading were as bad at the back as we were clinical in front of goal, so its easier to move on without reprisals when we came out the right side of a crazy game. Throughout this unbeaten run in Dec/Jan we have had at times some very good fortune and a fair breeze behind us, good support helps too, maybe fortune does favour the brave and we've seen that of late among a very honest squad of players. I think both our full backs are great going forward and good with the ball at their feet, defensively though they are not great, neither Pipa or Toff seen great when players run at them and seldom prevent crosses going into the box, positionally both get caught out, as we witnessed again on Saturday, probably as a result of them being more attack minded, I've always though that they would be better suited to playing the wing back role, but when we've played 5 at the back Toff doesn't seem to get the space to run into, perhaps the partnership with Karoma needs a bit more of work. Maybe I'm being a bit picky expecting them to defend well, it seems the modern full back has to be more offensive than defensive!
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Post by atowninessex on Jan 24, 2022 15:37:51 GMT 1
not quite sure why toffolo is getting the stick , yes the goals came down his side but that's why after the second he switched thomas and koroma , toffolo was not getting any help at all and was exposed every time he went forward , koroma didn't track back, i was actually hoping carlos would change rowe for koroma but he want for ruffles instead to be fair i think we look much more solid with a back 3 in general
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Post by htfctx on Jan 24, 2022 16:05:59 GMT 1
not quite sure why toffolo is getting the stick , yes the goals came down his side but that's why after the second he switched thomas and koroma , toffolo was not getting any help at all and was exposed every time he went forward , koroma didn't track back, i was actually hoping carlos would change rowe for koroma but he want for ruffles instead to be fair i think we look much more solid with a back 3 in general Agree with this and Carlos also threw out post match, pipa was too far forward, dragged Pearson right and Lees compensated center. Leaving a bus lane between Lees and Toff. (Levi can recover distance better than Lees)
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Post by impact on Jan 24, 2022 22:49:00 GMT 1
not quite sure why toffolo is getting the stick , yes the goals came down his side but that's why after the second he switched thomas and koroma , toffolo was not getting any help at all and was exposed every time he went forward , koroma didn't track back, i was actually hoping carlos would change rowe for koroma but he want for ruffles instead to be fair i think we look much more solid with a back 3 in general He was poor for all 3 goals. I'd go as far as saying I think he was at fault for all 3 goals. The first 2 he is so slow to react to danger. He's jogging back despite clearly seeing a man free in front of him. The 3rd was a free header from the corner. He's he's totally switched off and is yards away from his man who scores. Really poor from him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 23:14:02 GMT 1
not quite sure why toffolo is getting the stick , yes the goals came down his side but that's why after the second he switched thomas and koroma , toffolo was not getting any help at all and was exposed every time he went forward , koroma didn't track back, i was actually hoping carlos would change rowe for koroma but he want for ruffles instead to be fair i think we look much more solid with a back 3 in general He was poor for all 3 goals. I'd go as far as saying I think he was at fault for all 3 goals. The first 2 he is so slow to react to danger. He's jogging back despite clearly seeing a man free in front of him. The 3rd was a free header from the corner. He's he's totally switched off and is yards away from his man who scores. Really poor from him. We won! We got 3 points! Ward made it all OK! Give your wet pajamas to your mum, she'll know how to get rid of that pissy smell.
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Post by impact on Jan 24, 2022 23:19:06 GMT 1
He was poor for all 3 goals. I'd go as far as saying I think he was at fault for all 3 goals. The first 2 he is so slow to react to danger. He's jogging back despite clearly seeing a man free in front of him. The 3rd was a free header from the corner. He's he's totally switched off and is yards away from his man who scores. Really poor from him. We won! We got 3 points! Ward made it all OK! Give your wet pajamas to your mum, she'll know how to get rid of that pissy smell. What are you on about? I realise you don't have much of a brain as the drivel you post the vast majority of the time shows, but the point of this forum is to discuss football. Do you have anything to add to a grown-up, football debate or will you carry on posting shite?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 23:25:16 GMT 1
We won! We got 3 points! Ward made it all OK! Give your wet pajamas to your mum, she'll know how to get rid of that pissy smell. What are you on about? I realise you don't have much of a brain as the drivel you post the vast majority of the time shows, but the point of this forum is to discuss football. Do you have anything to add to a grown-up, football debate or will you carry on posting shite? And your definition of jogging is???
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Post by mrg on Jan 24, 2022 23:37:39 GMT 1
Alright ladies, I need to say pipa in a back 3 is a bad idea, basically it's 2 at the back. Ive still not worked out what was up with levi but the system of 3 at the back baffels me, I never can work out if it's 343 or 532 or is going on. But definitely, pipa doesn't sit in a back 3 and whilst it worked attack wise against a poor team I wouldn't want to see town taking unnecessary risks like that against Stoke or other teams at the top of the division.
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Post by specialun on Jan 25, 2022 7:36:29 GMT 1
Wards third was a cracker - not just the strike. The forward ball, flick and having 2 bodies up there makes such a difference
His first was my favourite though, lovely team move, but most pleasing lots of bodies forward and aggressive / reacted first to every ball. That’s what we like to see.
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Post by sykeylad on Jan 25, 2022 8:47:20 GMT 1
Alright ladies, I need to say pipa in a back 3 is a bad idea, basically it's 2 at the back. Ive still not worked out what was up with levi but the system of 3 at the back baffels me, I never can work out if it's 343 or 532 or is going on. But definitely, pipa doesn't sit in a back 3 and whilst it worked attack wise against a poor team I wouldn't want to see town taking unnecessary risks like that against Stoke or other teams at the top of the division. Risky, yes, and also potentially rewarding. The team has now earned the right to be more adventurous and we have Hoggy back for cover. So what if we go for it, get exposed and concede. We are likely to score more. What's wrong with going for it rather than playing it safe now? We might shock a few. We can always tighten up and sit back after we hit the front, if that's how you like it?
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 25, 2022 13:38:21 GMT 1
We won! We got 3 points! Ward made it all OK! Give your wet pajamas to your mum, she'll know how to get rid of that pissy smell. What are you on about? I realise you don't have much of a brain as the drivel you post the vast majority of the time shows, but the point of this forum is to discuss football. Do you have anything to add to a grown-up, football debate or will you carry on posting shite? All he is is a WUM, which is against the forum rules but if anyone gives him any back they get reported.
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Post by mrg on Jan 25, 2022 14:49:54 GMT 1
Alright ladies, I need to say pipa in a back 3 is a bad idea, basically it's 2 at the back. Ive still not worked out what was up with levi but the system of 3 at the back baffels me, I never can work out if it's 343 or 532 or is going on. But definitely, pipa doesn't sit in a back 3 and whilst it worked attack wise against a poor team I wouldn't want to see town taking unnecessary risks like that against Stoke or other teams at the top of the division. Risky, yes, and also potentially rewarding. The team has now earned the right to be more adventurous and we have Hoggy back for cover. So what if we go for it, get exposed and concede. We are likely to score more. What's wrong with going for it rather than playing it safe now? We might shock a few. We can always tighten up and sit back after we hit the front, if that's how you like it? I hear you man, im just not used to wide open spaces in our defence and think we probably have some of the best defenders in the division, including full backs pipa and toffs. I guess it's whats going on in front thats the challenge, creating chances with good but not massively creative players and he's got to create the creativity with what he has, which on Saturday was pipa leaving acres of space. 1 game at a time eh?
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Jan 25, 2022 15:53:03 GMT 1
Alright ladies, I need to say pipa in a back 3 is a bad idea, basically it's 2 at the back. Ive still not worked out what was up with levi but the system of 3 at the back baffels me, I never can work out if it's 343 or 532 or is going on. But definitely, pipa doesn't sit in a back 3 and whilst it worked attack wise against a poor team I wouldn't want to see town taking unnecessary risks like that against Stoke or other teams at the top of the division. Pipa was right back in a back 4 on Saturday - we didn't play 3 at the back. Though I suspect we will once Colwill is available again - I think the defending on Saturday will have convinced Carlos he's better with 3 centre backs when his best 3 are available.
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Post by Tiro on Jan 25, 2022 16:41:34 GMT 1
The first goal was an error of a few;
- Pipa gets caught out. - We then over compensate on the right. - Thomas and Hogg loose the runner. - Toffolo should cover round (I can’t claim whether he’s jogging or what), but maybe he’s caught off guard by the ease and pace at which they break. - Pearson and Lees are then on a hiding to nothing.
If anything, Lees takes the right position to try and slow things down by not committing and showing them into either space, but he’s in a no win situation - somebody is going to get a shot off from that position (I’d be f-ing furious if my team didn’t at that point).
I’d argue that Pearson compensating is probably a little down to muscle memory from playing mainly on the right of a back 3.
We won. But the errors combined to create an issue that may not be as so easily rectifiable in other games.
This is football and it’s fair to point out the errors (without getting too carried away of course).
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Post by mattyglennonscores on Jan 25, 2022 20:11:08 GMT 1
It’s certainly exciting on the edge of your seat football . It was a hundred times better than my game on Saturday. Wish I had made the journey down instead . Bank holiday Monday in Cleveland my next venture down . If you’re thinking about going , the last time I went to a Bank Holiday game was Norwich away in the late 90’s and we got horsed 4-0 😆😆. That was some drive back to Scotland 😱
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Post by E4b on Jan 25, 2022 23:00:49 GMT 1
I’m sure there used to be some guy on here who got absolutely peltered by Ted Chips and his cronies for rating Danny Ward but what do I know?! 🤫 Nope, you were given pelters (and rightly so) because you claimed he was the best Town player in 40+ years. Wrong pal. Not what I said at all, look back, read it and apologise.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jan 25, 2022 23:06:11 GMT 1
I’m sure there used to be some guy on here who got absolutely peltered by Ted Chips and his cronies for rating Danny Ward but what do I know?! 🤫 Nope, you were given pelters (and rightly so) because you claimed he was the best Town player in 40+ years. To be fair thats not quite true . I think it was "towns best winger in last 40 years " was bullshite whatever it was . Well done Danny though for buckling down after we sold you (maybe getting into better shape and amending the old refuelling habits ?) and coming back a far better player than you ever was
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Post by The Sheriff Strikes Back on Jan 25, 2022 23:30:25 GMT 1
Nope, you were given pelters (and rightly so) because you claimed he was the best Town player in 40+ years. Wrong pal. Not what I said at all, look back, read it and apologise. It may not be word for word correct, but it was equally as ridiculous. Either way, at the time you were obsessively banging the drum about a player who was, at the time, barely bang average. You thoroughly earned the ridicule you received for that and a great many other instances of incredibly odd behaviour.
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 25, 2022 23:42:46 GMT 1
I’m sure there used to be some guy on here who got absolutely peltered by Ted Chips and his cronies for rating Danny Ward but what do I know?! 🤫 Where were you when he was dogshit last season?
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Post by orinoco on Jan 26, 2022 0:55:14 GMT 1
I’m sure there used to be some guy on here who got absolutely peltered by Ted Chips and his cronies for rating Danny Ward but what do I know?! 🤫 Where were you when he was dogshit last season? He spent most of last season on treatment table.
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 26, 2022 0:57:59 GMT 1
Where were you when he was dogshit last season? He spent most of last season on treatment table. Well if you take into context the wages per minutes on the pitch then I'm sorry but last season he was terrible. This season he has been a great player.
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Post by mrg on Jan 26, 2022 13:47:05 GMT 1
Alright ladies, I need to say pipa in a back 3 is a bad idea, basically it's 2 at the back. Ive still not worked out what was up with levi but the system of 3 at the back baffels me, I never can work out if it's 343 or 532 or is going on. But definitely, pipa doesn't sit in a back 3 and whilst it worked attack wise against a poor team I wouldn't want to see town taking unnecessary risks like that against Stoke or other teams at the top of the division. Pipa was right back in a back 4 on Saturday - we didn't play 3 at the back. Though I suspect we will once Colwill is available again - I think the defending on Saturday will have convinced Carlos he's better with 3 centre backs when his best 3 are available. Thanks for advising,almost proves my point, it's like my brain is in a constant spasm attempting to work out the formation every week.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 26, 2022 14:15:33 GMT 1
not quite sure why toffolo is getting the stick , yes the goals came down his side but that's why after the second he switched thomas and koroma , toffolo was not getting any help at all and was exposed every time he went forward , koroma didn't track back, i was actually hoping carlos would change rowe for koroma but he want for ruffles instead to be fair i think we look much more solid with a back 3 in general He was poor for all 3 goals. I'd go as far as saying I think he was at fault for all 3 goals. The first 2 he is so slow to react to danger. He's jogging back despite clearly seeing a man free in front of him. The 3rd was a free header from the corner. He's he's totally switched off and is yards away from his man who scores. Really poor from him. I am sure it was Hoggy that was marking the bloke who headed it. He ran from the far corner of the box and Hoggy stopped following him half way.
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Post by tockyterrier on Jan 26, 2022 14:19:46 GMT 1
Pipa was right back in a back 4 on Saturday - we didn't play 3 at the back. Though I suspect we will once Colwill is available again - I think the defending on Saturday will have convinced Carlos he's better with 3 centre backs when his best 3 are available. Thanks for advising,almost proves my point, it's like my brain is in a constant spasm attempting to work out the formation every week. I think the "oooh to be a" pod had it right. Pearson probably didnt trust Pipa to get back so the CB moved over to cover him because they are not used to Pipas recovery pace. It may be that after a few games together they just get that sense of when they need to cover and when it's ok not to.
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Post by impact on Jan 26, 2022 15:37:28 GMT 1
He was poor for all 3 goals. I'd go as far as saying I think he was at fault for all 3 goals. The first 2 he is so slow to react to danger. He's jogging back despite clearly seeing a man free in front of him. The 3rd was a free header from the corner. He's he's totally switched off and is yards away from his man who scores. Really poor from him. I am sure it was Hoggy that was marking the bloke who headed it. He ran from the far corner of the box and Hoggy stopped following him half way. Nah it's definitely Toffolo, Hogg is right next to his man. Toffolo just seems to switch off for a second and then he's well gone. 7:21 in the video below.
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Post by E4b on Jan 26, 2022 17:49:24 GMT 1
Wrong pal. Not what I said at all, look back, read it and apologise. It may not be word for word correct, but it was equally as ridiculous. Either way, at the time you were obsessively banging the drum about a player who was, at the time, barely bang average. You thoroughly earned the ridicule you received for that and a great many other instances of incredibly odd behaviour. Oh I see! So all along it was I who was wrong in rating Danny Ward! How wrong of me to do so! I should have said he was on his downward spiral like your hero did a few years ago and then I would have been all correct like you! Sorry for being such a sore LOSER! Pmsl
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Post by 66738 on Jan 26, 2022 20:49:53 GMT 1
just got back from reading and that was the football worth paying for,very unpredictable but better than been predictable utt well done carlos and town,brilliant today Great to see something positive from You. Glad You enjoyed the game.
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