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Post by Floyds on Jul 8, 2022 13:06:34 GMT 1
Personally I feel its pretty shocking to let a high quality manager walk out of the door 3 weeks from the start of the season then wheel DS out as his replacement on the hoof. Reeks of ineptitude I agree with your post here!. Your original post referred to the Club being in a 'shocking state' which is different to what you are saying here. The Club is not in a shocking state. Granted, there are some questions that need answers. I don't think it's in a shocking state now. A lot depends on our transfer activity (or lack thereof) and how we start the season. But IF we sell LOB and Toffolo, don't replace them and are bottom after 10 games with Schofield under pressure... Time will tell / wait and see etc.
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Post by townatheart on Jul 8, 2022 13:08:49 GMT 1
Hang on a minute, we are all shocked, disappointed and unhappy about yesterday's news. But 'shocking state of the Club' We are good Championship level Club We have finished 3rd only last season We lost a play-off final to get to the Premier League We have secured long-term deals for key Players such as Sorba and Nicholls We have some superb Players such as LOB and Toffolo (well, at the time of writing we do!) Loads of season tickets sold (and we all like the cheap price we pay for them don't we?) We have a great squad of Players in my opinion But the club is in a 'shocking state'?. Personally I feel its pretty shocking to let a high quality manager walk out of the door 3 weeks from the start of the season then wheel DS out as his replacement on the hoof. Reeks of ineptitude Exactly, the Club should have chained him to his desk, then locked the office door! How inept that they did not think of this! Or was it because DH cares so little for the Club he wouldn't spend money for the lock and key. 😋
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Post by morleyterrier on Jul 8, 2022 13:15:54 GMT 1
Personally I feel its pretty shocking to let a high quality manager walk out of the door 3 weeks from the start of the season then wheel DS out as his replacement on the hoof. Reeks of ineptitude Exactly, the Club should have chained him to his desk, then locked the office door! How inept that they did not think of this! Or was it because DH cares so little for the Club he wouldn't spend money for the lock and key. 😋 A lot of People in an uninformed position making assumptions (not aimed at your post here may I add). How do we know that the demands of Corberan were not unrealistic?, as in if we had visibility of them, we would see how unreasonable they were and impossible to meet!?. How do we know his demands (if there were any) were indeed reasonable and should have been met?. We don't. In summary, everybody is piling on the latter and is making unfounded assumptions that what the Club needed to do to keep Corberan was realistic. Nobody is considering that perhaps what was needed to keep him was completely unrealistic and thus Hoyle is not culpable. I guess we will never know which in itself is part of the issue.
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Post by 28901 on Jul 8, 2022 13:28:25 GMT 1
Only one way to make feelings known and that's before the home game against Burnley First game of the season, on TV so plenty of opportunities to tell the world what we think about this shocking state of the club. Back the players and poor Danny Schofield but Dean Hoyle deserves all the contempt we can mustre before and after the game Hang on a minute, we are all shocked, disappointed and unhappy about yesterday's news. But 'shocking state of the Club' We are good Championship level Club We have finished 3rd only last season We lost a play-off final to get to the Premier League We have secured long-term deals for key Players such as Sorba and Nicholls We have some superb Players such as LOB and Toffolo (well, at the time of writing we do!) Loads of season tickets sold (and we all like the cheap price we pay for them don't we?) We have a great squad of Players in my opinion But the club is in a 'shocking state'?. Good post Morley. I'm totally pissed off to be honest but you're actually right.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 8, 2022 13:39:09 GMT 1
LOL moment at the "players are angry" bit. So the players are angry because the coach left, due to the fact that DH is not going to spend money to bring in better players to replace said players who then sit on the bench or play development games. I know that some footballers get a reputation for being not very bright, but....
I wonder if this came from a conversation with one player who a fan spoke to at the cricket club. Fuck me!
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 8, 2022 13:46:00 GMT 1
LOL moment at the "players are angry" bit. So the players are angry because the coach left, due to the fact that DH is not going to spend money to bring in better players to replace said players who then sit on the bench or play development games. I know that some footballers get a reputation for being not very bright, but.... I wonder if this came from a conversation with one player who a fan spoke to at the cricket club. Fuck me! So you don't think players want better players to come in and help them achieve success? They just want to toss round as long as they are in the first team, no fucks given? For a start, ego's and confidence at play will never have them thinking that they will be the ones out of the side.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jul 8, 2022 13:57:21 GMT 1
LOL moment at the "players are angry" bit. So the players are angry because the coach left, due to the fact that DH is not going to spend money to bring in better players to replace said players who then sit on the bench or play development games. I know that some footballers get a reputation for being not very bright, but.... I wonder if this came from a conversation with one player who a fan spoke to at the cricket club. Fuck me! So you don't think players want better players to come in and help them achieve success? They just want to toss round as long as they are in the first team, no fucks given? For a start, ego's and confidence at play will never have them thinking that they will be the ones out of the side.... and there you illustrate my last point!
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Jul 8, 2022 14:01:18 GMT 1
Yes the club is in a shocking state because our owner doesn't have the ambition to build on what was in many senses a miraculous season last year. We are being outmuscled in the market by Mighty Luton Town showing that we do not have the financial backing of the owner to progress us forwards. As someone else said, Dean stepped in like a Knight in shining armour to protect the club from administration. The only debt we owe is to himself! Mr Hokey Cokey, I don't expect my loans back and now I do. This has crippled the club financially and left us pretty much in financial limbo. I wouldn't even mind but the money we earn that could have paid off his debt was spanked on absolutely shite players and its the fans that are ultimately paying the price. The manager has walked because yet again he was expected to Polish turds and he and the fans deserved better. If the players are I deed fucked off as reported then how does that contribute towards a thriving and successful team? Dean is back and we are going to shit again. The sooner he fucks off the better. What I don’t understand is that the way the club was operating was succeeding. Carlos signed up for the way we wanted to do things and even signed a longer contract last year. The methodology, recruitment, playing structure and long term building was working, s o why did he expect the ownership to suddenly change tack and chuck a load of money at it? Doesn’t make sense to me, I think someone (his agent?) has been telling him he can do better elsewhere and he’s had his head turned. Why are you assuming he wanted Dean to chuck a load of money at it? What has changed from before last season is the expectations that the club, the fans & CC himself had. I'm sure the remit at the start of last season wasn't to finish 3rd, I expect they'd been told they were expected to avoid a relegation battle. Having performed as we did last season, surely everyone's expectations will have been raised. CC may have said here's my list of 3 players that I need to challenge for promotion again, he may have been promised some money to compete & it may not have been followed through - hence him leaving now & not straight after the final.
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Post by sonny on Jul 8, 2022 14:02:30 GMT 1
Don't expect to hear anything from Hoyle. It was Q&A sessions here there and everywhere when people were blowing smoke up his arse. Nothing now, just vacuous press statements. At least he's taken some of the heat off Moss and Tierney.
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Post by townatheart on Jul 8, 2022 14:04:19 GMT 1
Exactly, the Club should have chained him to his desk, then locked the office door! How inept that they did not think of this! Or was it because DH cares so little for the Club he wouldn't spend money for the lock and key. 😋 A lot of People in an uninformed position making assumptions (not aimed at your post here may I add). How do we know that the demands of Corberan were not unrealistic?, as in if we had visibility of them, we would see how unreasonable they were and impossible to meet!?. How do we know his demands (if there were any) were indeed reasonable and should have been met?. We don't. In summary, everybody is piling on the latter and is making unfounded assumptions that what the Club needed to do to keep Corberan was realistic. Nobody is considering that perhaps what was needed to keep him was completely unrealistic and thus Hoyle is not culpable. I guess we will never know which in itself is part of the issue. Well, can only agree with what sounds a bit of a balanced and fair perspective.
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Post by richhtfc on Jul 8, 2022 14:08:23 GMT 1
What I don’t understand is that the way the club was operating was succeeding. Carlos signed up for the way we wanted to do things and even signed a longer contract last year. The methodology, recruitment, playing structure and long term building was working, s o why did he expect the ownership to suddenly change tack and chuck a load of money at it? Doesn’t make sense to me, I think someone (his agent?) has been telling him he can do better elsewhere and he’s had his head turned. Why are you assuming he wanted Dean to chuck a load of money at it? What has changed from before last season is the expectations that the club, the fans & CC himself had. I'm sure the remit at the start of last season wasn't to finish 3rd, I expect they'd been told they were expected to avoid a relegation battle. Having performed as we did last season, surely everyone's expectations will have been raised. CC may have said here's my list of 3 players that I need to challenge for promotion again, he may have been promised some money to compete & it may not have been followed through - hence him leaving now & not straight after the final. Yeah he may have I suppose, lots of supposition there.
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Post by terriers321 on Jul 8, 2022 14:09:36 GMT 1
I suspect the same people screaming for Hoyle to go are the same ones screaming for Carlos to go a year ago. Far from it. I always felt Carlos was dealt a shit hand by the powers above.
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Post by H6dds on Jul 8, 2022 14:22:32 GMT 1
One thing I have thought about is how little content/information we have got so far from the pre season. Obviously might be because of the situation, but I recall we usually get YouTube videos of training, pictures of the fitness tests and training. Interviews with some players, information of what’s going on etc.
This year I believe the club posted some pictures from the first day back, and now a short interview with Schofield. So far.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Jul 8, 2022 14:27:51 GMT 1
Carlos got us higher than he had any right to get us last season. Pushing on and bringing in more quality would seem to have been the way to go, but it would seem that the powers that be want us to be a top six team while players (otherwise known as assets) are sold off with the money dissapearing and not being reinvested into the club.
Carlos going is no surprise. His best players would have been leaving and he would have had to work with inferior product.
You could bring in the best manager on the planet to manage town and even he'd get shit on. Tis the way of things.
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Post by drayltonboy (independent) on Jul 8, 2022 15:00:03 GMT 1
Should some flak not go to the local media? They sit on their hands and pontificate, instead of doorstepping club representatives, or even CC? Unless CC had an office phone, Oggy and co must be able to contact him, but instead they create articles based upon what folk think. Last night’s RL “special” was like listening to me and my mate, talking bollocks about a subject we know nothing about.
Local media are at least partially complicit (for fear of being banned by the club?), and need to grow a pair. Do they represent fans, or the club?
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Post by westislandterrier on Jul 8, 2022 15:01:15 GMT 1
Clearly there is a lot of raw emotion circulating around at the minute and lots of varied opinions on the whole situation.. but I want to hear from Carlos officially before attempting to come to ma own personal conclusion and opinion.
The club have put out a couple of statements from Dean Hoyle and Lee Brondby, and as far as I see there’s not been a word uttered by Carlos this far..
Hopefully someone from The Examiner or Sky Soprts can flush out Carlos then Hoyle and Brondby for a proper grilling on what’s went on and why !
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 8, 2022 15:25:25 GMT 1
Clearly there is a lot of raw emotion circulating around at the minute and lots of varied opinions on the whole situation.. but I want to hear from Carlos officially before attempting to come to ma own personal conclusion and opinion. The club have put out a couple of statements from Dean Hoyle and Lee Brondby, and as far as I see there’s not been a word uttered by Carlos this far.. Hopefully someone from The Examiner or Sky Soprts can flush out Carlos then Hoyle and Brondby for a proper grilling on what’s went on and why ! If you access the Examiner website there is a short statement from Carlos, Westie. However, it’s just a short sanitised statement that gives away nothing.
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Post by westislandterrier on Jul 8, 2022 15:37:56 GMT 1
Clearly there is a lot of raw emotion circulating around at the minute and lots of varied opinions on the whole situation.. but I want to hear from Carlos officially before attempting to come to ma own personal conclusion and opinion. The club have put out a couple of statements from Dean Hoyle and Lee Brondby, and as far as I see there’s not been a word uttered by Carlos this far.. Hopefully someone from The Examiner or Sky Soprts can flush out Carlos then Hoyle and Brondby for a proper grilling on what’s went on and why ! If you access the Examiner website there is a short statement from Carlos, Westie. However, it’s just a short sanitised statement that gives away nothing. Yep - sort of similar kinda statements from the club too.. these things are the usual for a few days after events like those at HTAFC haven taken place.. probably more will come out as things settle down and I think Carlos will probably want a private family holiday abroad for now, but clearer information is likely to come in the weeks ahead - hopefully amicable on both sides - but will only do so if the footy media do their jobs which I fully trust they will in England as they certainly don’t do in Bonnie Scotland !
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Jul 8, 2022 15:41:31 GMT 1
If you access the Examiner website there is a short statement from Carlos, Westie. However, it’s just a short sanitised statement that gives away nothing. Yep - sort of similar kinda statements from the club too.. these things are the usual for a few days after events like those at HTAFC haven taken place.. probably more will come out as things settle down and I think Carlos will probably want a private family holiday abroad for now, but clearer information is likely to come in the weeks ahead - hopefully amicable on both sides - but will only do so if the footy media do their jobs which I fully trust they will in England as they certainly don’t do in Bonnie Scotland ! Having my haircut at Matt Glennon’s tomorrow - should be an interesting half an hour.
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Post by bluestripe on Jul 8, 2022 16:01:28 GMT 1
Yep - sort of similar kinda statements from the club too.. these things are the usual for a few days after events like those at HTAFC haven taken place.. probably more will come out as things settle down and I think Carlos will probably want a private family holiday abroad for now, but clearer information is likely to come in the weeks ahead - hopefully amicable on both sides - but will only do so if the footy media do their jobs which I fully trust they will in England as they certainly don’t do in Bonnie Scotland ! Having my haircut at Matt Glennon’s tomorrow - should be an interesting half an hour. Would be an interesting thirty seconds if I went 🤪
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Jul 8, 2022 17:09:07 GMT 1
Clearly there is a lot of raw emotion circulating around at the minute and lots of varied opinions on the whole situation.. but I want to hear from Carlos officially before attempting to come to ma own personal conclusion and opinion. The club have put out a couple of statements from Dean Hoyle and Lee Brondby, and as far as I see there’s not been a word uttered by Carlos this far.. Hopefully someone from The Examiner or Sky Soprts can flush out Carlos then Hoyle and Brondby for a proper grilling on what’s went on and why ! Brondby? A proper grilling, like Danish bacon?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2022 17:16:20 GMT 1
The statement reads like a kid that wants more spend. Not sure where they got the idea we needed statements from a group that we’ve barely heard a peep out of since the premier league, their performance is worse than any at board level. We finished 3rd and are trying to be sustainable if you want the glitz and glamour of big signings town aren’t the club for you, never have been. We all dream of a billionaire taking over and sending us to the promised land but in reality it never happens be careful what you wish for
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Post by Jello Biafra on Jul 8, 2022 17:32:37 GMT 1
Hang on a minute, we are all shocked, disappointed and unhappy about yesterday's news. But 'shocking state of the Club' We are good Championship level Club We have finished 3rd only last season We lost a play-off final to get to the Premier League We have secured long-term deals for key Players such as Sorba and Nicholls We have some superb Players such as LOB and Toffolo (well, at the time of writing we do!) Loads of season tickets sold (and we all like the cheap price we pay for them don't we?) We have a great squad of Players in my opinion But the club is in a 'shocking state'?. Personally I feel its pretty shocking to let a high quality manager walk out of the door 3 weeks from the start of the season then wheel DS out as his replacement on the hoof. Reeks of ineptitude Did it reek of ineptitude when they didn’t give Carlos the bullet after a very poor end to the season before, then let him take charge of a 5-1 dicking against Fulham? Funny how a bit a patience turned out, eh?
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Post by Larry David on Jul 8, 2022 18:59:58 GMT 1
Personally I feel its pretty shocking to let a high quality manager walk out of the door 3 weeks from the start of the season then wheel DS out as his replacement on the hoof. Reeks of ineptitude Did it reek of ineptitude when they didn’t give Carlos the bullet after a very end to the season before, then let him take charge of a 5-1 dicking against Fulham? Funny how a bit a patience turned out, eh? Yes true...what about the other side of that page where we let our best asset walk away. I cannot believe people are not fuming about this. It's very poor.
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Post by Drew Peacock on Jul 8, 2022 20:22:58 GMT 1
Did it reek of ineptitude when they didn’t give Carlos the bullet after a very end to the season before, then let him take charge of a 5-1 dicking against Fulham? Funny how a bit a patience turned out, eh? Yes true...what about the other side of that page where we let our best asset walk away. I cannot believe people are not fuming about this. It's very poor. O'Brien is still here.
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Post by Mastercracker on Jul 8, 2022 20:26:38 GMT 1
The statement reads like a kid that wants more spend. Not sure where they got the idea we needed statements from a group that we’ve barely heard a peep out of since the premier league, their performance is worse than any at board level. We finished 3rd and are trying to be sustainable if you want the glitz and glamour of big signings town aren’t the club for you, never have been. We all dream of a billionaire taking over and sending us to the promised land but in reality it never happens be careful what you wish for What a load of fucking gash.
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Post by ritchie on Jul 8, 2022 22:37:45 GMT 1
The statement reads like a kid that wants more spend. Not sure where they got the idea we needed statements from a group that we’ve barely heard a peep out of since the premier league, their performance is worse than any at board level. We finished 3rd and are trying to be sustainable if you want the glitz and glamour of big signings town aren’t the club for you, never have been. We all dream of a billionaire taking over and sending us to the promised land but in reality it never happens be careful what you wish for Not sure that's in any way the consensus of town fans. Some might. Most just want progression - can you point us to any? A lot, rightly imo, feel a bit agreived that the man who made lots of piss poor "glitz and glamour" signings now wants the club to pay him back, he doesnt speak to fans and he shows very little interest in anything other than protecting his investment - is it unreasonable for fans to expect more than that from the club they put their money down for every season? I dont think it is. The problem on here is we have people branding anyone that complains as a "bed wetter", yet are more than happy to use exaggerations to make their own point. No fans on here would have expected us to spend a lot of money this summer. No one. No one has said why havent we signed 10m pounds worth of players. I dont think people are unreasonable in expecting the first team to be improved though
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Post by ball on Jul 8, 2022 23:39:15 GMT 1
Not really a fan of this, especially as I’m sure cowshed released a statement or article after we’d lost to fulham basically saying they’d had enough of Carlos. I’m as gutted as the next man about Carlos but I feel like threats like these are a poor look but that’s just my opinion.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jul 8, 2022 23:49:44 GMT 1
The statement reads like a kid that wants more spend. Not sure where they got the idea we needed statements from a group that we’ve barely heard a peep out of since the premier league, their performance is worse than any at board level. We finished 3rd and are trying to be sustainable if you want the glitz and glamour of big signings town aren’t the club for you, never have been. We all dream of a billionaire taking over and sending us to the promised land but in reality it never happens be careful what you wish for The fact they've issued a statement at all is pretty funny. Do you see themselves as some kind of continental style ultras group who's opinions the club should be really concerned about as it carries real weight amongst the fanbase? Arent they just a group of fans who sit behind the goal, usually getting totally outsung by the opposition support unless we're actually winning the game? Nothing wrong with that, but thats all Ive ever seen them as. And now theyre issuing 'statements'! Fuck me rigid, as jello would say.
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Post by stable on Jul 9, 2022 0:30:00 GMT 1
Truly embarrassing, I cringed all the way through reading the half that I managed.
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