Statement from CL14

[goodbet]

Jul 9, 2022 9:21:27 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Dunno Ted.
Most expectations on here a year ago were that we'd go down or at least struggle to avoid itAgree. All these players were still happy to come here why wouldn't they they came from clubs that had gone down or were at a lower level, or stay here, and pick up their wagesIt takes time to get a transfer if anyone was interested.

I dont think Carlos's communication skills were good enough that his personality will be a defining factor for these players.your guess who knows
Sometimes a manager moves on and you can see how without HIM, it just wont be the same, because he is such a big presence.. such a big character.

Think we had that with Wagner, but Ive never got that feeling with Carlos at all. Might be due to the language barrier or just how he is, but Carlos lacked any kind of charisma at all IMO.You are entitled to your point of view

So if Schofield is a continuation of the football style and ethos , and by all accounts thats just what he'll be, then I doubt there's been a huge change here really.We will have to wait and see I will not harm Dean that he has reduced his salary costs
Id be surprised if the players dont generally have a better relationship with Schofield than they did with Carlos.Your guess

With all these things we start with a set of preconceived ideas, Dean is good or something dodgy is going on. We all have these views and it is difficult to see things differently. We can see how many deluded fools still seem to support Trump and Boris in spite of their failings.
I may be as guilty of this as anyone.

[Captainslapper]

Jul 9, 2022 9:49:13 GMT 1 ritchie said:

Jul 9, 2022 9:21:27 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Dunno Ted.
Most expectations on here a year ago were that we'd go down or at least struggle to avoid it. All these players were still happy to come here , or stay here, and pick up their wages.

I dont think Carlos's communication skills were good enough that his personality will be a defining factor for these players.
Sometimes a manager moves on and you can see how without HIM, it just wont be the same, because he is such a big presence.. such a big character.

Think we had that with Wagner, but Ive never got that feeling with Carlos at all. Might be due to the language barrier or just how he is, but Carlos lacked any kind of charisma at all IMO.

So if Schofield is a continuation of the football style and ethos , and by all accounts thats just what he'll be, then I doubt there's been a huge change here really.
Id be surprised if the players dont generally have a better relationship with Schofield than they did with Carlos.

Think that's a bizarre take based on very little. Just because he's not english, or with the large public personality of wagner, doesnt mean the players dont have a strong bond with him. To suggest they had a stronger bond with DS is total guesswork.

Personally I thought it looked like they were a very close group, who in training videos always looked highly engaged with carlos. He doesnt need to be smiling and cracking jokes for there to be a strong bond. Id imagine the players had huge respect for a man who is obviously a very good coach, that's improved them as players. They are professionals, i'm pretty sure they will judge him mainly on his ability to do his job and take them and the club as far as possible. That's before we even get to personality. 

Total guesswork on my part.
Just going by his interviews really. Dont care that he's not English, but his level of English language must have made it hard for him. Did for me whenever I was trying to listen to him!
And just a general complete lack of charisma.
Doesn't mean the players didnt respect him or like him or enjoy working with him. I just find it hard to believe that a 'personality' like Carlos leaving will leave a particularly big hole when it comes to personalities in the dressing room.

If the players have a strong bond with him,, and because we've had a great season most probably do.. then he's just crapped on that bond hasn't he by walking out on them to be out of work?

[Captainslapper]

Jul 9, 2022 11:19:40 GMT 1 The Sheriff Strikes Back said:

Jul 9, 2022 9:21:27 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Dunno Ted.
Most expectations on here a year ago were that we'd go down or at least struggle to avoid it. All these players were still happy to come here , or stay here, and pick up their wages.

I dont think Carlos's communication skills were good enough that his personality will be a defining factor for these players.
Sometimes a manager moves on and you can see how without HIM, it just wont be the same, because he is such a big presence.. such a big character.

Think we had that with Wagner, but Ive never got that feeling with Carlos at all. Might be due to the language barrier or just how he is, but Carlos lacked any kind of charisma at all IMO.

So if Schofield is a continuation of the football style and ethos , and by all accounts thats just what he'll be, then I doubt there's been a huge change here really.
Id be surprised if the players dont generally have a better relationship with Schofield than they did with Carlos.

I find it an odd assumption on your part that the players would have a better relationship with DS than with CC, just because you personally didn't take to CC, or struggled to understand him.

I took to him fine. Like any other fan if the teams winning I couldn't care less what the managers like,, I dont spend any time with him.
His interviews were a ball-ache though.

[Galpharmer]

Jul 9, 2022 10:13:28 GMT 1 ram said:

At least the club is saving on his salary now,will that now go to Dean Hoyle?

Yes

[drewden]

Here's my imput on the matter, a good friend of mine who I met this morning, and has some contact with the club, says he got a text from someone at the club, 2 days before Carlos left.

Something as gone on at the club, but unfortunately he cannot elaborate, he has to stay stum.

[Dan]

Jul 9, 2022 14:39:00 GMT 1 drewden said:

Here's my imput on the matter, a good friend of mine who I met this morning, and has some contact with the club, says he got a text from someone at the club, 2 days before Carlos left.

Something as gone on at the club, but unfortunately he cannot elaborate, he has to stay stum.

Great imput, many thanks

[frankslegs]

Call me a cynic but I wasn’t the only one who saw constant frustration actually on the pitch from Toffolo O brien and Russell towards our Duracell ex manager -his tactics were bizarre sometimes and I don’t think his manner will have actually inspired any of the players -I also think that Dean is being whacked non stop on some spurious assumptions to say the least -I’m happy with our three main signings and happy to give Danny a go -let’s be positive and move on

[Captainslapper]

Jul 9, 2022 14:39:00 GMT 1 drewden said:

Here's my imput on the matter, a good friend of mine who I met this morning, and has some contact with the club, says he got a text from someone at the club, 2 days before Carlos left.

Something as gone on at the club, but unfortunately he cannot elaborate, he has to stay stum.

Thats great input mate!
Somebody I know says they know something but can't tell anyone.

[Chips Longhorn]

Jul 9, 2022 15:07:42 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Jul 9, 2022 14:39:00 GMT 1 drewden said:

Here's my imput on the matter, a good friend of mine who I met this morning, and has some contact with the club, says he got a text from someone at the club, 2 days before Carlos left.

Something as gone on at the club, but unfortunately he cannot elaborate, he has to stay stum.

Thats great input mate!
Somebody I know says they know something but can't tell anyone.

To be fair it's a good scoop disclosing something has gone on

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I think Carlos was very professional, good at his job and supportive of his players. He came across as a thoroughly nice bloke from what I have seen.

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Jul 9, 2022 15:14:29 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

I think Carlos was very professional, good at his job and supportive of his players. He came across as a thoroughly nice bloke from what I have seen.

However, Bromby, I think in his Radio Leeds interview, said the club were consistent in their plan, E.G. Carlos was not consistent, asking for more or he jumps?
It appears he disregarded his commitment & chose to end his contract.

[Chips Longhorn]

Jul 9, 2022 15:30:32 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Jul 9, 2022 15:14:29 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

I think Carlos was very professional, good at his job and supportive of his players. He came across as a thoroughly nice bloke from what I have seen.

However, Bromby, I think in his Radio Leeds interview, said the club were consistent in their plan, E.G. Carlos was not consistent, asking for more or he jumps?
It appears he disregarded his commitment & chose to end his contract.

An interesting analysis . Not sure on what it's based

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Jul 9, 2022 15:31:28 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Jul 9, 2022 15:30:32 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

However, Bromby, I think in his Radio Leeds interview, said the club were consistent in their plan, E.G. Carlos was not consistent, asking for more or he jumps?
It appears he disregarded his commitment & chose to end his contract.

An interesting analysis . Not sure on what it's based

Listen to the interview, Bromby's words are carefully chosen for accuracy and gives a potential understanding of what changed. Precisely what changed isn't stated, but it was from Carlos!

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Jul 9, 2022 15:30:32 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Jul 9, 2022 15:14:29 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

I think Carlos was very professional, good at his job and supportive of his players. He came across as a thoroughly nice bloke from what I have seen.

However, Bromby, I think in his Radio Leeds interview, said the club were consistent in their plan, E.G. Carlos was not consistent, asking for more or he jumps?
It appears he disregarded his commitment & chose to end his contract.

My comment was in regards to suggestions he lacked ‘charisma’, however that is defined, and his relationship with the players, not to his disagreement with the club.

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Jul 9, 2022 15:39:04 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Jul 9, 2022 15:31:28 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

An interesting analysis . Not sure on what it's based

Listen to the interview, Bromby's words are carefully chosen for accuracy and gives a potential understanding of what changed. Precisely what changed isn't stated, but it was from Carlos!

That is however just one side of the story. I am not saying it is incorrect but it is just one side.

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Jul 9, 2022 15:57:53 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

Jul 9, 2022 15:39:04 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Listen to the interview, Bromby's words are carefully chosen for accuracy and gives a potential understanding of what changed. Precisely what changed isn't stated, but it was from Carlos!

That is however just one side of the story. I am not saying it is incorrect but it is just one side.

Until Carlos puts another side, it is the only one we have. If you think it is inaccurate you are saying Bromby is lying? Only Carlos, or others present, can do that!

[Chips Longhorn]

Jul 9, 2022 15:39:04 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Jul 9, 2022 15:31:28 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

An interesting analysis . Not sure on what it's based

Listen to the interview, Bromby's words are carefully chosen for accuracy and gives a potential understanding of what changed. Precisely what changed isn't stated, but it was from Carlos!

Ok

[The Sheriff Strikes Back]

Jul 9, 2022 15:30:32 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Jul 9, 2022 15:14:29 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

I think Carlos was very professional, good at his job and supportive of his players. He came across as a thoroughly nice bloke from what I have seen.

However, Bromby, I think in his Radio Leeds interview, said the club were consistent in their plan, E.G. Carlos was not consistent, asking for more or he jumps?
It appears he disregarded his commitment & chose to end his contract.

Or, he opted to leave because the Chairman failed to live up to his end of the bargain, and instead expected Corberan to yet again make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

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Jul 9, 2022 16:04:18 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Jul 9, 2022 15:57:53 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

That is however just one side of the story. I am not saying it is incorrect but it is just one side.

Until Carlos puts another side, it is the only one we have. If you think it is inaccurate you are saying Bromby is lying? Only Carlos, or others present, can do that!

You seem to be wanting an argument which I have neither the time nor the interest in.

[The Sheriff Strikes Back]

Jul 9, 2022 16:04:18 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Jul 9, 2022 15:57:53 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

That is however just one side of the story. I am not saying it is incorrect but it is just one side.

Until Carlos puts another side, it is the only one we have. If you think it is inaccurate you are saying Bromby is lying? Only Carlos, or others present, can do that!

We've been here already, it takes a certain level of naivety/gullibility to swallow the party line on this, especially when the evidence speaks for itself.

[Chips Longhorn]

Jul 9, 2022 17:11:39 GMT 1 The Sheriff Strikes Back said:

Jul 9, 2022 16:04:18 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Until Carlos puts another side, it is the only one we have. If you think it is inaccurate you are saying Bromby is lying? Only Carlos, or others present, can do that!

We've been here already, it takes a certain level of naivety/gullibility to swallow the party line on this, especially when the evidence speaks for itself.

When people say "the club / Hoyle/ bromby wouldn't lie " . Well it's not always a barefaced lie . But it tends to be carefully worded manoeuvrings. The guy just isn't going to say "Carlos wanted to sign players from sainsburys but we're shopping at lidl " . So what you get is stuff about " Carlos was aligned then he became unaligned " . Which actually means nothing in itself

[The Sheriff Strikes Back]

Jul 9, 2022 17:18:10 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Jul 9, 2022 17:11:39 GMT 1 The Sheriff Strikes Back said:

We've been here already, it takes a certain level of naivety/gullibility to swallow the party line on this, especially when the evidence speaks for itself.

When people say "the club / Hoyle/ bromby wouldn't lie " . Well it's not always a barefaced lie . But it tends to be carefully worded manoeuvrings. The guy just isn't going to say "Carlos wanted to sign players from sainsburys but we're shopping at lidl " . So what you get is stuff about " Carlos was aligned then he became unaligned " . Which actually means nothing in itself

Exactly, it's political-esque nonsense designed to tangle the minds of gammon, and more often than not it works unfortunately. 'Tell them everything by telling them nothing', is at the very heart of how any football club approaches the media on these types of matters.

[rockwall]

Jul 9, 2022 14:39:00 GMT 1 drewden said:

Here's my imput on the matter, a good friend of mine who I met this morning, and has some contact with the club, says he got a text from someone at the club, 2 days before Carlos left.

Something as gone on at the club, but unfortunately he cannot elaborate, he has to stay stum.

But Bromby, Schofield et al didnt know until late the night before?

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Jul 9, 2022 17:09:16 GMT 1 The Sheriff Strikes Back said:

Jul 9, 2022 15:30:32 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

However, Bromby, I think in his Radio Leeds interview, said the club were consistent in their plan, E.G. Carlos was not consistent, asking for more or he jumps?
It appears he disregarded his commitment & chose to end his contract.

Or, he opted to leave because the Chairman failed to live up to his end of the bargain, and instead expected Corberan to yet again make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

So, you're saying Bromby is lying 🤥
As mentioned, only Carlos or others present can do that!

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Jul 9, 2022 17:09:58 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

Jul 9, 2022 16:04:18 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Until Carlos puts another side, it is the only one we have. If you think it is inaccurate you are saying Bromby is lying? Only Carlos, or others present, can do that!

You seem to be wanting an argument which I have neither the time nor the interest in.

Not at all. Perhaps I'm a little old fashioned though, if someone says something in public and leaves themselves open to contradiction, I trust what they say is truthful (unless there's called Boris).

[Chips Longhorn]

Jul 9, 2022 18:35:09 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Jul 9, 2022 17:09:58 GMT 1 @bluesandtwos said:

You seem to be wanting an argument which I have neither the time nor the interest in.

Not at all. Perhaps I'm a little old fashioned though, if someone says something in public and leaves themselves open to contradiction, I trust what they say is truthful (unless there's called Boris).

There you go . You've answered your own point . I think the word is."gullible "

[drewden]

Jul 9, 2022 18:18:42 GMT 1 rockwall said:

Jul 9, 2022 14:39:00 GMT 1 drewden said:

Here's my imput on the matter, a good friend of mine who I met this morning, and has some contact with the club, says he got a text from someone at the club, 2 days before Carlos left.

Something as gone on at the club, but unfortunately he cannot elaborate, he has to stay stum.

But Bromby, Schofield et al didnt know until late the night before?

Exactly, intriguing, an affair, a bust up with players, anyone's guess, left to simmer for a day or 2 then resigned.

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Jul 9, 2022 18:40:44 GMT 1 drewden said:

Jul 9, 2022 18:18:42 GMT 1 rockwall said:

But Bromby, Schofield et al didnt know until late the night before?

Exactly, intriguing, an affair, a bust up with players, anyone's guess, left to simmer for a day or 2 then resigned.

I think it may have been more than two days in fairness. It sounds like he has been wrestling with it for a while, just from his wording in the tweet. It does seem very heartfelt. He will be missed.

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Jul 9, 2022 18:37:56 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

Jul 9, 2022 18:35:09 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Not at all. Perhaps I'm a little old fashioned though, if someone says something in public and leaves themselves open to contradiction, I trust what they say is truthful (unless there's called Boris).

There you go . You've answered your own point . I think the word is."gullible "

So you assume everything someone says in public is a lie. That shows up your standards of judgement, i.e. the same expectations about honesty as PH. Shall we look back to see what you had to say about his misdemeanours?

[Chips Longhorn]

Jul 9, 2022 20:51:25 GMT 1 @bigamanda said:

Jul 9, 2022 18:37:56 GMT 1 Chips Longhorn said:

There you go . You've answered your own point . I think the word is."gullible "

So you assume everything someone says in public is a lie. That shows up your standards of judgement, i.e. the same expectations about honesty as PH. Shall we look back to see what you had to say about his misdemeanours?

Here's a good example.. Bromby quoted today

"We're trying 24/7 to bring the right players to the club. Dean [Hoyle] is supportive and making funds available"

So he's not lying is he ? Because Hoyle WILL be making funds available. But its vague . So in reality it's saying absolutely nothing in terms of giving information to supporters.