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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Sept 22, 2022 10:10:54 GMT 1
It's starting to look like Hoyle doesn't have a plan, he never does. What a joke of a chairman. The last "plan" got us 7 defeats from the first 9 games, so maybe it's best if he doesn't have one this time  |
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Post by boooothy on Sept 22, 2022 10:16:47 GMT 1
It's just like the transfer window, I'm just waiting for statement or something to say that we tried our very best but ultimately were'nt quite able to get a deal over the line. If it is the scenario that Young Boys are paying him until the end of the season, will probably be more than we will offer him until the end of the season, so in theory may as well move on if thats the case. We wouldn’t need to move on just some negotiations needed with the other club. It’s in everyone’s interest to get a solution. |
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Post by Richard1986 on Sept 22, 2022 10:19:50 GMT 1
I’ll get my man in Mexico on the blower and chip I n 3euro
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Post by Orinoco on Sept 22, 2022 10:26:43 GMT 1
If it is the scenario that Young Boys are paying him until the end of the season, will probably be more than we will offer him until the end of the season, so in theory may as well move on if thats the case. We wouldn’t need to move on just some negotiations needed with the other club. It’s in everyone’s interest to get a solution. Yep, the sooner it is sorted the better all around, need some stabality and need to start climbing up the table. The Cardiff win was very much needed, shame this international break came up. |
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Post by fightinthedog on Sept 22, 2022 10:54:01 GMT 1
It's starting to look like Hoyle doesn't have a plan, he never does. What a joke of a chairman. Are you serious? A lack of an appointment a mere 7 days after the previous manager was sacked is NOT indicative of a lack of a plan. These things take time - approaches are probably made to managers who say "no", alternatives are approached, contracts have to be negotiated, drafted and agreed, if the appointee is currently working then compensation with his club has to be negotiated. More likely is that he has a very clear plan but finding a manager who wants to work within his plan i.e. the current structure, may not be easy. This is a probably a significant barrier to the the return of David Wagner. |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Sept 22, 2022 10:56:50 GMT 1
It's starting to look like Hoyle doesn't have a plan, he never does. What a joke of a chairman. Daddy, I want a manager and I want him NOW! And I'll scweam and scweam if I don't get what I want!! |
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Post by Dan on Sept 22, 2022 10:58:26 GMT 1
It's starting to look like Hoyle doesn't have a plan, he never does. What a joke of a chairman. Are you serious? A lack of an appointment a mere 7 days after the previous manager was sacked is NOT indicative of a lack of a plan. These things take time - approaches are probably made to managers who say "no", alternatives are approached, contracts have to be negotiated, drafted and agreed, if the appointee is currently working then compensation with his club has to be negotiated. More likely is that he has a very clear plan but finding a manager who wants to work within his plan i.e. the current structure, may not be easy. This is a probably a significant barrier to the the return of David Wagner. A structure that, in Leigh Bromby's words, David Wagner was mostly responsible for implementing so I can't see that being the barrier. Getting his ball and chain to agree to move, and sorting out his contract with Young Boys sound like the possible barriers. |
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Post by upthetown on Sept 22, 2022 11:01:07 GMT 1
Of the two championship clubs he's managed, QPR & Birmingham, his stats read, 18 games, won 5, drawn 5, lost 8. Paying compensation for a bang average manager seems daft, but hey, he's Bromby's mate 🤔 Definitely don’t want Woodgate or Eustice or someone just because Bromby previously played with them. Also wouldn’t want someone like Parker as he’s only ever done anything with a massive budget. Wagner for me. Anthony Barry if not. |
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Post by Tinpot on Sept 22, 2022 11:02:29 GMT 1
Of the two championship clubs he's managed, QPR & Birmingham, his stats read, 18 games, won 5, drawn 5, lost 8. Paying compensation for a bang average manager seems daft, but hey, he's Bromby's mate 🤔 Decent start from him at Brum, got them punching that car crash of a club well above its weight so far, but I can't see it being him. Doesn't seem to fit the profile Bromby was talking about. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Sept 22, 2022 11:04:15 GMT 1
Wagner is still the clear favourite - Few Town tinted glasses on here I think, if you were being paid a salary and owed money would you give it up without question?
Wagner will be wanting his owed money from Young Boys and his new salary from Town - rightly so.
It's up to Town not to sort something out or move onto another target, yes it's not an immediate appointment but there's a reason.
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Post by Dan on Sept 22, 2022 11:09:47 GMT 1
Wagner is still the clear favourite - Few Town tinted glasses on here I think, if you were being paid a salary and owed money would you give it up without question? Wagner will be wanting his owed money from Young Boys and his new salary from Town - rightly so. It's up to Town not to sort something out or move onto another target, yes it's not an immediate appointment but there's a reason. Is there a huge rush though? The way Chicho carried himself last week and set the team up, I'm a lot more relaxed about waiting for the right man. Yes, it was only 1 game, but the shape of the team and intensity and aggression we played with was enough for me to think we can afford to leave things in Chicho's hands for a month or so if that's what's needed to get the right man. |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Sept 22, 2022 11:11:24 GMT 1
It's starting to look like Hoyle doesn't have a plan, he never does. What a joke of a chairman. The last "plan" got us 7 defeats from the first 9 games, so maybe it's best if he doesn't have one this time yeah, and it was an absolutely appalling plan, thus proving my point totally correct. And if he had a brain he'd have known that plan was definitely NOT going to work after a couple of games, and been lining someone up for a few weeks. |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 22, 2022 12:22:50 GMT 1
If it is the scenario that Young Boys are paying him until the end of the season, will probably be more than we will offer him until the end of the season, so in theory may as well move on if thats the case. We wouldn’t need to move on just some negotiations needed with the other club. It’s in everyone’s interest to get a solution. Just move on and get someone that actually wants to be here. |
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Post by pixie on Sept 22, 2022 12:26:59 GMT 1
Wagner is still the clear favourite - Few Town tinted glasses on here I think, if you were being paid a salary and owed money would you give it up without question? Wagner will be wanting his owed money from Young Boys and his new salary from Town - rightly so. It's up to Town not to sort something out or move onto another target, yes it's not an immediate appointment but there's a reason. Is there a huge rush though? The way Chicho carried himself last week and set the team up, I'm a lot more relaxed about waiting for the right man. Yes, it was only 1 game, but the shape of the team and intensity and aggression we played with was enough for me to think we can afford to leave things in Chicho's hands for a month or so if that's what's needed to get the right man. Spot on. Narcis has been like a breath of fresh air with his team choices, use of subs, playing 2 strikers and especially stopping playing out from the back. No surprise we had our first clean sheet and Nicholls back to his best as well. I realise Narcis says he doesn't want the job and won't be applying but that may be because he would like to keep his job long term by not taking a chance on the manager/head coach situation. Perhaps that's why he did not follow Carlos when the fat Greek came calling. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 22, 2022 12:34:34 GMT 1
We wouldn’t need to move on just some negotiations needed with the other club. It’s in everyone’s interest to get a solution. Just move on and get someone that actually wants to be here. Waste 2 weeks of 'settling in' with the break. Then another month of games before a month off for the world cup but that break is just before the next window? I would want every free minute for a new manager to sort out himself, the coaching staff and the squad. Its actually a gift for us that we could waste. Are there ever more than a handfull of real candidates for our job? How long does it take to interview blokes with a fully checkable track record, does football now take itself far too seriously about these things even though its led to probably more and quicker sackings of managers than ever before.? Will we get a better fit here or a cheaper fit the longer we take? |
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Post by ball on Sept 22, 2022 13:13:22 GMT 1
A point Bromby made in his interview was something along the line of there’s more players away on international than usual so this week wasn’t as valuable to a new manager as normal. Suggested to me we wouldn’t get someone this week
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 22, 2022 13:20:08 GMT 1
A point Bromby made in his interview was something along the line of there’s more players away on international than usual so this week wasn’t as valuable to a new manager as normal. Suggested to me we wouldn’t get someone this week A day extra in between games for a new bloke is important. Bromby for me should simply take on the role of picking the team and tactics and inform the coaches as to what he wants from the team. Then if it goes tits up we can just sack Bromby.. This selecting players for your coach to deal with is shite.. If its my head on the block then I get a real say in who comes in, goes out and how we play. |
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Post by dezzly on Sept 22, 2022 13:34:36 GMT 1
Just move on and get someone that actually wants to be here. Waste 2 weeks of 'settling in' with the break. Then another month of games before a month off for the world cup but that break is just before the next window? I would want every free minute for a new manager to sort out himself, the coaching staff and the squad. Its actually a gift for us that we could waste. Are there ever more than a handfull of real candidates for our job? How long does it take to interview blokes with a fully checkable track record, does football now take itself far too seriously about these things even though its led to probably more and quicker sackings of managers than ever before.? Will we get a better fit here or a cheaper fit the longer we take? Maybe there is a reason we are waiting.The rumours are strong that it’s Wagner and also that there are contractual issues to sort.No one knows how long we will have to wait should we be waiting for the contract to play out. It could be weeks yet before he’s in the building potentially,hopefully Saturday was a sign of improvement and we can manage until that point.I don’t think the guys taking it now need to do absolutely loads to get on the right side of a few results. We are by no means at the same god awful levels performance and spirit wise we were when cowleys took over. Guess we just have to wait and see as irritating as that may be |
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Post by Porrohman on Sept 22, 2022 13:39:36 GMT 1
Waste 2 weeks of 'settling in' with the break. Then another month of games before a month off for the world cup but that break is just before the next window? I would want every free minute for a new manager to sort out himself, the coaching staff and the squad. Its actually a gift for us that we could waste. Are there ever more than a handfull of real candidates for our job? How long does it take to interview blokes with a fully checkable track record, does football now take itself far too seriously about these things even though its led to probably more and quicker sackings of managers than ever before.? Will we get a better fit here or a cheaper fit the longer we take? Maybe there is a reason we are waiting.The rumours are strong that it’s Wagner and also that there are contractual issues to sort.No one knows how long we will have to wait should we be waiting for the contract to play out. It could be weeks yet before he’s in the building potentially,hopefully Saturday was a sign of improvement and we can manage until that point.I don’t think the guys taking it now need to do absolutely loads to get on the right side of a few results. We are by no means at the same god awful levels performance and spirit wise we were when cowleys took over. Guess we just have to wait and see as irritating as that may be And if we wait all that time til he's finally ready and he's as shit as he has been in his last 2 jobs....😖 Why not sound out Sir Mick, at least he has 2 promotions with us 😉 |
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Sept 22, 2022 13:46:42 GMT 1
A point Bromby made in his interview was something along the line of there’s more players away on international than usual so this week wasn’t as valuable to a new manager as normal. Suggested to me we wouldn’t get someone this week A day extra in between games for a new bloke is important. Bromby for me should simply take on the role of picking the team and tactics and inform the coaches as to what he wants from the team. Then if it goes tits up we can just sack Bromby.. This selecting players for your coach to deal with is shite.. If its my head on the block then I get a real say in who comes in, goes out and how we play.  |
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Post by dezzly on Sept 22, 2022 13:50:32 GMT 1
Maybe there is a reason we are waiting.The rumours are strong that it’s Wagner and also that there are contractual issues to sort.No one knows how long we will have to wait should we be waiting for the contract to play out. It could be weeks yet before he’s in the building potentially,hopefully Saturday was a sign of improvement and we can manage until that point.I don’t think the guys taking it now need to do absolutely loads to get on the right side of a few results. We are by no means at the same god awful levels performance and spirit wise we were when cowleys took over. Guess we just have to wait and see as irritating as that may be And if we wait all that time til he's finally ready and he's as shit as he has been in his last 2 jobs....😖 Why not sound out Sir Mick, at least he has 2 promotions with us 😉 I’m not saying I agree with it iv just guessing as to what maybe the reason.I personally believe we could do with someone in now but there you go doesn’t look like that’s happening. |
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 22, 2022 13:56:14 GMT 1
yeah, and it was an absolutely appalling plan, thus proving my point totally correct. And if he had a brain he'd have known that plan was definitely NOT going to work after a couple of games, and been lining someone up for a few weeks. I'm not Dean Hoyle's biggest fan by a long way. He made a mistake (& possibly would admit it - although I'm not sure admitting mistakes is his strongest point). TBH I'd prefer his mistakes to involve giving a loyal servant a chance because probably the main reason I dislike him is he doesn't seem to value loyalty very highly (a lot less than £104). However you're suggesting a man worth an estimated £300 million (from not a lot) & who led your club to the Premier league when most had given up dreaming about it - doesn't have a brain. Seriously? Everyone is entitled to an opinion but that's a strange one (IMHO). I trust you can measure up to him. |
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Post by runner76 on Sept 22, 2022 13:59:43 GMT 1
with the seemingly decent quality we have with the caretaker setup, I would not worry waiting as long as it takes to get the right man
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Sept 22, 2022 14:03:54 GMT 1
As well as possible delays if it's Wagner, Anthony Barry who's been linked, is also part of the Belgium coaching set up so it's likely he'll be away on international duty as well.
I'd be happy for Narcis to continue in the short term if it means we get the right guy in the end.
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Post by Orinoco on Sept 22, 2022 14:06:25 GMT 1
with the seemingly decent quality we have with the caretaker setup, I would not worry waiting as long as it takes to get the right man Its town, we expect the unexpected, just a shame we have to wait a fortnight since the Cardiff win, could have done with a game midweek and 1 this Saturday to build on quickly |
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Sept 22, 2022 14:40:37 GMT 1
yeah, and it was an absolutely appalling plan, thus proving my point totally correct. And if he had a brain he'd have known that plan was definitely NOT going to work after a couple of games, and been lining someone up for a few weeks. I'm not Dean Hoyle's biggest fan by a long way. He made a mistake (& possibly would admit it - although I'm not sure admitting mistakes is his strongest point). TBH I'd prefer his mistakes to involve giving a loyal servant a chance because probably the main reason I dislike him is he doesn't seem to value loyalty very highly (a lot less than £104). However you're suggesting a man worth an estimated £300 million (from not a lot) & who led your club to the Premier league when most had given up dreaming about it - doesn't have a brain. Seriously? Everyone is entitled to an opinion but that's a strange one (IMHO). I trust you can measure up to him. It's just an expression. lol. And to be quite frank, his managerial appointments do suggest he doesn't have much of a brain. Correct. Not a footballing one anyway. |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 22, 2022 14:43:47 GMT 1
Waste 2 weeks of 'settling in' with the break. Then another month of games before a month off for the world cup but that break is just before the next window? I would want every free minute for a new manager to sort out himself, the coaching staff and the squad. Its actually a gift for us that we could waste. Are there ever more than a handfull of real candidates for our job? How long does it take to interview blokes with a fully checkable track record, does football now take itself far too seriously about these things even though its led to probably more and quicker sackings of managers than ever before.? Will we get a better fit here or a cheaper fit the longer we take? Maybe there is a reason we are waiting.The rumours are strong that it’s Wagner and also that there are contractual issues to sort.No one knows how long we will have to wait should we be waiting for the contract to play out. It could be weeks yet before he’s in the building potentially,hopefully Saturday was a sign of improvement and we can manage until that point.I don’t think the guys taking it now need to do absolutely loads to get on the right side of a few results. We are by no means at the same god awful levels performance and spirit wise we were when cowleys took over. Guess we just have to wait and see as irritating as that may be Our speed at sorting out 'issues' is historically poor. Maybe if its Wagner and Dean really wants him, he might gee this up a bit.? The time without games is probably as, or more important than time with games coming thick and fast, even for Dave? Saturday isnt fooling us, I hope not anyway, as the previous defeats were not as bad as some painted them. |
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Post by basil on Sept 22, 2022 14:49:07 GMT 1
As well as possible delays if it's Wagner, Anthony Barry who's been linked, is also part of the Belgium coaching set up so it's likely he'll be away on international duty as well. I'd be happy for Narcis to continue in the short term if it means we get the right guy in the end. I would hope that getting the job with us would put the kybosh on Barry's jobs on the side. |
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Sept 22, 2022 14:49:14 GMT 1
Maybe there is a reason we are waiting.The rumours are strong that it’s Wagner and also that there are contractual issues to sort.No one knows how long we will have to wait should we be waiting for the contract to play out. It could be weeks yet before he’s in the building potentially,hopefully Saturday was a sign of improvement and we can manage until that point.I don’t think the guys taking it now need to do absolutely loads to get on the right side of a few results. We are by no means at the same god awful levels performance and spirit wise we were when cowleys took over. Guess we just have to wait and see as irritating as that may be Our speed at sorting out 'issues' is historically poor. Maybe if its Wagner and Dean really wants him, he might gee this up a bit.? The time without games is probably as, or more important than time with games coming thick and fast, even for Dave? Saturday isnt fooling us, I hope not anyway, as the previous defeats were not as bad as some painted them. Oh I don't know, we managed to lose Carlos and hire Schofield in the same paragraph a few weeks back. That's pretty quick 😂 |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 22, 2022 15:02:44 GMT 1
Our speed at sorting out 'issues' is historically poor. Maybe if its Wagner and Dean really wants him, he might gee this up a bit.? The time without games is probably as, or more important than time with games coming thick and fast, even for Dave? Saturday isnt fooling us, I hope not anyway, as the previous defeats were not as bad as some painted them. Oh I don't know, we managed to lose Carlos and hire Schofield in the same paragraph a few weeks back. That's pretty quick 😂 . We 'lost' carlos on the final whistle at wembley, we discovered Danny, weeks later after admitting we lost carlos. Sorry just think the timing could be an advantage that we might lose. |
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