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Post by yappledapple on Sept 18, 2022 8:52:06 GMT 1
Anyone know why Yuta wears red boots for the first half of a game and white boots for the second? Noticed it on Tuesday and again today. And Nicholls going really old school and wearing black boots.
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Post by durhamterrier on Sept 18, 2022 9:12:47 GMT 1
Great attitude , good win, ok performance … but that’s what we needed after the last few weeks.
Thought Kasumu and Camara were really impressive and could form a solid partnership over the next few years .
Holmes is back to his usual passionate self and got us 50-60 yards forward with pressing alone a few times.
Helik and Lees never really looked troubled and Turton and Nakayama covered well on the outside.
Yes we’re still second bottom and yes it was a scrappy win but it was a vital three points and keeps us well within touching distance of mid table .
We’ve now got two weeks off to bring in a new coach and focus on two more vital games away at reading and home to hull . A couple of positive results there will see us climbing the table .
Final mention for Pelach who brought some much needed fire to the touch line yesterday and lifted the crowd on several occasions where the energy had dropped .
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 18, 2022 9:24:02 GMT 1
There’s a lot of teams in this league that are much of a muchness. Being organised, cutting out mistakes and playing percentages when needed will go a long way - teams like Millwall and Preston have been doing it for years and survive comfortably.
This doesn’t mean that we have to throw the long term plan out of the window, but boxing clever for 10 games to get us up the table will buy us time to get more cohesion between the new players and we can try and play more progressively when we’re in a more comfortable position. Half the team is new and untried at this level and some are looking rusty (Kasumu). They need time to get firing on all cylinders.
Where Danny went wrong was trying to change too much straight away, not realising the impact we’d suffer from losing some big players. It also seems like he’s not the active and strong leader you need to be a manager and is probably better off sticking to coaching but that’s a lot of guesswork from a distance.
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Post by artysid on Sept 18, 2022 10:04:12 GMT 1
There’s a lot of teams in this league that are much of a muchness. Being organised, cutting out mistakes and playing percentages when needed will go a long way - teams like Millwall and Preston have been doing it for years and survive comfortably. This doesn’t mean that we have to throw the long term plan out of the window, but boxing clever for 10 games to get us up the table will buy us time to get more cohesion between the new players and we can try and play more progressively when we’re in a more comfortable position. Half the team is new and untried at this level and some are looking rusty (Kasumu). They need time to get firing on all cylinders. Where Danny went wrong was trying to change too much straight away, not realising the impact we’d suffer from losing some big players. It also seems like he’s not the active and strong leader you need to be a manager and is probably better off sticking to coaching but that’s a lot of guesswork from a distance. Funny how we all see things differently. I thought his problem was that he continued to play the same old boring play out from the back stuff, and persevered with players who clearly needed a spell out of the team. Yesterday we tried something different for a change - introduced new players and more direct attacking. Not the finished product but a refreshing change that worked.
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Post by Lovechops on Sept 18, 2022 10:06:43 GMT 1
I'll get one thing out Cardiff are the worst team I've seen so far, bar Town. I thought we played OK, which is a massive improvement on recent performances. A step in the right direction. It's amazing what a bit if organisation. Plus playing square pegs in square holes. Round pegs in Round holes. Plus a star shaped peg in star shaped hole. What a difference it is having two players in midfield who will close people down, chase, harry and generally move. Which allows other people the freedom to get forward. I thought Holmes was superb today. He was really fired up. Best player on the park for me. Drove us forward, his runs were threatening and got back to help out. We look better with Rhodes providing the outlet up front. He is better than Ward at playing with his back to goal. Which is probably what we need at the minute. I thought Wigan looked poor on Tuesday and Cardiff were slightly better than them.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 18, 2022 10:15:16 GMT 1
There’s a lot of teams in this league that are much of a muchness. Being organised, cutting out mistakes and playing percentages when needed will go a long way - teams like Millwall and Preston have been doing it for years and survive comfortably. This doesn’t mean that we have to throw the long term plan out of the window, but boxing clever for 10 games to get us up the table will buy us time to get more cohesion between the new players and we can try and play more progressively when we’re in a more comfortable position. Half the team is new and untried at this level and some are looking rusty (Kasumu). They need time to get firing on all cylinders. Where Danny went wrong was trying to change too much straight away, not realising the impact we’d suffer from losing some big players. It also seems like he’s not the active and strong leader you need to be a manager and is probably better off sticking to coaching but that’s a lot of guesswork from a distance. Funny how we all see things differently. I thought his problem was that he continued to play the same old boring play out from the back stuff, and persevered with players who clearly needed a spell out of the team. Yesterday we tried something different for a change - introduced new players and more direct attacking. Not the finished product but a refreshing change that worked. He decided to ditch 3 at the back (and was open in the press that he wanted to be more attacking than Carlos), it didn’t last longer than the first match or two. Maybe Burnley and Birmingham? We seemingly didn’t have the squad for 3 at the back so we’re then scrabbling around for replacements. Having said that I think he was hamstrung in starting the season so much earlier than the end of the transfer window and starting with a weaker squad still shocked from the manager resigning, initially seemingly with no job to go to. The players probably took that implicitly as a vote of no confidence in their ability and it has clearly affected them. It seems like Danny wasn’t able to motivate and build their confidence back up which led to his downfall.
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 18, 2022 10:30:41 GMT 1
Great win and three points. Besides that we were awful. Big job for the new manager. We have zero quality in midfield. According to that clever cu!? Bromby we are fine. Really ? Seems an odd day to be making that observation. I thought that was our best midfield performance of the season by a country mile. You don't think Rudoni & Anjorin have any quality? ...or that Kasuma & Camera were a more dynamic pairing? All about opinions but that's strange to me.
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Post by drewden on Sept 18, 2022 10:47:26 GMT 1
For me football is about attacking the opposition to try and win the game, Danny was not confident of doing this, there was too much respecting teams, the players were losing confidence of what Danny was trying to do.
Total mind set yesterday, no passing out from the back, get the ball forward and try and win the game, for me Rhodes should be starting every game, with either Holmes or Ward up front, I have been wanting to see this for ages.
Sticking to the same plan, that does not work, drains confidence from the players and manager, let's hope the manager that comes in plays attacking football.
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Post by nicovaesen on Sept 18, 2022 10:58:42 GMT 1
Great win and a much needed three points but what are our forwards doing in front of goal? Thinking the Thomas one at the end. Three absolute gobblers in two games
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Post by specialun on Sept 18, 2022 11:16:57 GMT 1
Well done to all
The effort & pressing from the start set the tone
By no means perfect but got the job done as needed, looked much more balanced and high energy.
Agree with Narcis in that today was a game we could play a 4, play more direct - may not work against a better quality team, who have more attacking quality or can use 65% possession better than Cardiff did
I thought Holmes in particular set the tone - I’ve called him a disgrace earlier in the season - only right I single him out as he pressed, worked his socks off & positive / dangerous throughout
Agree with Narcis in that today was a game we could play a 4, play more direct - may not work against a better quality team, who have more attacking quality or can use 65% possession
A word for Anjorin - a few suggested he was lazy. He lost the ball a few times, few things didn’t come off but he certainly wasn’t lazy when he got the ball back for the goal. Watch it back - wins / picks up the ball, stops them attacking / breaking - but then one two, drives forward past a player and positive ball into Holmes. Absolutely critical in that goal - stopping a break away and turning it into our attack - perfect #10 play
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Post by herefordaway on Sept 18, 2022 11:22:27 GMT 1
Good old DATM. Wigan loss runs to 22 pages. Second win of the season runs out of steam at 10. There is a message there somewhere. Without doubt a lot of people are happier when they are moaning/complaining.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Sept 18, 2022 11:47:07 GMT 1
It was very much back to basics.
No passes back to Nichols when he is under pressure.
No giving the ball away in our third.
No Yuta playing left wing back but floating into the middle to try and play out from the back.
No backwards passing to retain possession but ultimately stop promising attacks and let the other team get into a solid defensive shape.
It was a back 4 of players who were solid defensively and won battles in the air with two combative midfielders protecting them.
Not pretty but we could/should have scored more and the only saves Nichols made were the penalty and free kick in the first have. The fact that they didn’t have a shot on target in the second half or create any decent chances (I’m not counting the penalty or free kick) show that we defended well after taking an early lead.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 18, 2022 11:48:05 GMT 1
For me football is about attacking the opposition to try and win the game, Danny was not confident of doing this, there was too much respecting teams, the players were losing confidence of what Danny was trying to do. Total mind set yesterday, no passing out from the back, get the ball forward and try and win the game, for me Rhodes should be starting every game, with either Holmes or Ward up front, I have been wanting to see this for ages. Sticking to the same plan, that does not work, drains confidence from the players and manager, let's hope the manager that comes in plays attacking football. We actually went to a more attacking formation yesterday as the game went on. They had the ball a lot but our intent was better and the fact that the best chances in the second half were ours. A great deal of their play was outside our box, lots of attacks ended up with our throw in or a dead ball,free kick, us breaking etc, rather than a ball into our box, attempt on goal. Its not defending that has been the problem, its how we were defending. Not interested wether they have the ball or not, its how we approach them having the ball and our plan to defend it and get it back.
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Post by Dan on Sept 18, 2022 13:06:49 GMT 1
Cardiff have just sacked their manager Steve Morison.
Looking at the comments, I don't think there is one Cardiff fan happy with the decision. Bizarre.
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Post by boooothy on Sept 18, 2022 13:23:26 GMT 1
The owners obviously thought the same as me about yesterday’s performance, they were terrible. Always felt like he was a temporary appointment who they never really trusted.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Sept 18, 2022 13:27:38 GMT 1
“Shouldn’t be losing to teams like Huddersfield!”
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Post by griffa on Sept 18, 2022 13:59:03 GMT 1
“Shouldn’t be losing to teams like Huddersfield!” Tough at the top, even tougher at the bottom, as all Town fans know - UTT.
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Post by detox on Sept 18, 2022 14:06:46 GMT 1
For me football is about attacking the opposition to try and win the game, Danny was not confident of doing this, there was too much respecting teams, the players were losing confidence of what Danny was trying to do. Total mind set yesterday, no passing out from the back, get the ball forward and try and win the game, for me Rhodes should be starting every game, with either Holmes or Ward up front, I have been wanting to see this for ages. Sticking to the same plan, that does not work, drains confidence from the players and manager, let's hope the manager that comes in plays attacking football. A bit revolutionary that isn't it ? Many clubs just seem content to run the clock down from minute 1 to minute 90..slow passing around at the back..slide a ball down the wing only for winger to immediately turn round and pass it back again...time wasting with throw ins, dead balls, feigning injury...the list of time wasting tactics is endless..if we get the ball actually in play for more than 40 minutes per game we're lucky.
I was glad to see Town got rid of the fannying around at the back yesterday..and even if we lose possession from the longer passes at least we're deep in their half..we can push up and pressure them..surely that's better than backtracking with 10 in our own area conceding space, possession and time to the opponents..albeit we did do that in the last 10 mins or so..
What we're lacking is another couple of players who can hold the ball up, like Rhodes does..like Mooy did for example..then you can feed off the anchor points from various parts of the pitch..instead of just from the edge of our own box...
Anyway. enough..Has Wagner signed yet ?
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Sept 18, 2022 14:24:41 GMT 1
Cardiff have just sacked their manager Steve Morison. Looking at the comments, I don't think there is one Cardiff fan happy with the decision. Bizarre. Step up - again - Mark Hudson! 😉
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Post by overtonterrierspirit on Sept 18, 2022 14:43:28 GMT 1
Getting 3 points is all the “entertainment “ that I need.
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Post by allan 1958 (OAF-WROY)(SSLFF) on Sept 18, 2022 15:08:24 GMT 1
Great win and three points. Besides that we were awful. Big job for the new manager. We have zero quality in midfield. According to that clever cu!? Bromby we are fine. Really ? Seems an odd day to be making that observation. I thought that was our best midfield performance of the season by a country mile. You don't think Rudoni & Anjorin have any quality? ...or that Kasuma & Camera were a more dynamic pairing? All about opinions but that's strange to me. Agreed happy with midfield
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Post by alexdire on Sept 18, 2022 15:33:39 GMT 1
“Shouldn’t be losing to teams like Huddersfield!” On how we've played this season. They shouldn't.
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Post by sabailand on Sept 18, 2022 15:42:02 GMT 1
Getting 3 points is all the “entertainment “ that I need. This point comes up often, seriously how many of us come out of an entartaining defeat chuffed to bits, i never have but i've come away from loads of turgid 1-0 wins a very happy man.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 18, 2022 15:50:14 GMT 1
Good old DATM. Wigan loss runs to 22 pages. Second win of the season runs out of steam at 10. There is a message there somewhere. Without doubt a lot of people are happier when they are moaning/complaining. To be fair the game was pretty low quality and there's not much to discuss, in fact I'd go as far to say it was the worst game of the season as a spectacle. There might have been something to discuss if we had played a better side because a better side would have got something from that game 2nd half but they didn't, rejoice.
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Post by Jello Biafra on Sept 18, 2022 15:56:37 GMT 1
Getting 3 points is all the “entertainment “ that I need. This point comes up often, seriously how many of us come out of an entartaining defeat chuffed to bits, i never have but i've come away from loads of turgid 1-0 wins a very happy man. Me, for one. My first game in years was a 2-1 home defeat to Bristol City in one of Wagner’s early games. The performance, endeavour and, dare I say it, entertainment was there for all to see. Same again shortly afterwards on a 2-2 draw to Reading in the FA Cup. Despite enjoying the results last season, much of the actual play was a bloody hard watch. I genuinely don’t get ‘entertainment’ and ‘the result’ mixed up like many others appear to.
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Post by ACW on Sept 18, 2022 16:23:18 GMT 1
This point comes up often, seriously how many of us come out of an entartaining defeat chuffed to bits, i never have but i've come away from loads of turgid 1-0 wins a very happy man. Me, for one. My first game in years was a 2-1 home defeat to Bristol City in one of Wagner’s early games. The performance, endeavour and, dare I say it, entertainment was there for all to see. Same again shortly afterwards on a 2-2 draw to Reading in the FA Cup. Despite enjoying the results last season, much of the actual play was a bloody hard watch. I genuinely don’t get ‘entertainment’ and ‘the result’ mixed up like many others appear to. I'm similar. Obviously the result is extremely important, but I want to enjoy the match as well. There's been times when I've enjoyed a match but been disappointed with the result. Likewise, there's been times I've been chuffed with the result but not enjoyed the match. We all go to football matches for different reasons, and get our enjoyment in different ways. Like you, I can separate the "entertainment" and the "result". They are often two very different things!
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Post by impact on Sept 18, 2022 18:03:05 GMT 1
1st half was much better. We got players around the striker, pressed higher and always looked forward with passes. I think 4-2-3-1 is the way to go with the team we have.
Midfield 2 were spot on and thought Holmes played well. Nicholls back to what we know, he came for a lot more balls and took pressure off the defence.
Bringing Ward on as the 10 lost a lot of our control and we were off it 2nd half, but we hung on which is the main thing.
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Post by impact on Sept 18, 2022 18:05:02 GMT 1
Good old DATM. Wigan loss runs to 22 pages. Second win of the season runs out of steam at 10. There is a message there somewhere. After a win people tend to celebrate more and vent less. It'd be like that on every forum. There's less to talk about with a win, certainly less that is contentious.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Sept 18, 2022 18:16:40 GMT 1
Good old DATM. Wigan loss runs to 22 pages. Second win of the season runs out of steam at 10. There is a message there somewhere. After a win people tend to celebrate more and vent less. It'd be like that on every forum. There's less to talk about with a win, certainly less that is contentious. Why does venting last so much longer than celebrating? Also why do some posters not post at all after a win? You would expect anyone passionate enough about Town to be vociferous after a defeat would be straight on here after a win but it doesn’t always seem to be that way. I honestly don’t care, folk do what they do, it was just an observation.
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Post by bluebeard on Sept 18, 2022 19:16:19 GMT 1
It was the result that mattered most yesterday but how on earth did Cardiff beat Norwich a few weeks back.
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