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Post by richhtfc on Oct 2, 2022 12:15:13 GMT 1
I can totally understand fans' criticism of MMF after only a single game. (i) He wasn't the appointment anyone wanted. (ii) He's very clearly the cheap option at a time when the club is in crisis and everyone knows we needed a manager/head coach with experience/a track record. MMT has experience as an assistant coach at a yo-yo German club which is smaller than Town and a brief spell as an assistant at a perennially underachieving Bundesliga club. It's been cringeworthy to hear him repeat his perceived achievements in Germany over and over again. In reality the poor guy has had little else to draw on. (iii) He's presented pretty terribly in early interviews/press conferences and hasn't sounded like the brightest guy in the world. (iv) He dropped the MOM from our last game and gave a really vague explanation for his decision. (v) He replaced the MOM from our last game with a player who has been utterly woeful all season. (vi) He was in charge of an abject performance yesterday. We looked worse than ever. I was trying to be positive up until listening to the press conference. Vast majority of comments I saw people thought he presented well in his interviews. Has everyone changed their mind now? |
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Post by wildhogg on Oct 2, 2022 12:26:19 GMT 1
I can totally understand fans' criticism of MMF after only a single game. (i) He wasn't the appointment anyone wanted. (ii) He's very clearly the cheap option at a time when the club is in crisis and everyone knows we needed a manager/head coach with experience/a track record. MMT has experience as an assistant coach at a yo-yo German club which is smaller than Town and a brief spell as an assistant at a perennially underachieving Bundesliga club. It's been cringeworthy to hear him repeat his perceived achievements in Germany over and over again. In reality the poor guy has had little else to draw on. (iii) He's presented pretty terribly in early interviews/press conferences and hasn't sounded like the brightest guy in the world. (iv) He dropped the MOM from our last game and gave a really vague explanation for his decision. (v) He replaced the MOM from our last game with a player who has been utterly woeful all season. (vi) He was in charge of an abject performance yesterday. We looked worse than ever. I was trying to be positive up until listening to the press conference. Vast majority of comments I saw people thought he presented well in his interviews. Has everyone changed their mind now? I was quite optimistic about the things he said in his initial interview and to the papers. His lack of experience was absolutely laid bare in the press conference though. Some of the reporters must have been giggling up their sleeves. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 2, 2022 12:53:53 GMT 1
to sum up the many comments then... We have an error riddled goalie We are crap at the back We have no midfield We are crap up front We have a crap manager We have a crap owner. Did I miss anything ? Judging in comment. We have crap fans |
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Post by rugbyterrier on Oct 2, 2022 12:58:02 GMT 1
to sum up the many comments then... We have an error riddled goalie We are crap at the back We have no midfield We are crap up front We have a crap manager We have a crap owner. Did I miss anything ? Judging in comment. We have crap fans I think Town fans a remarkably tolerant for the way we have been treated since the end of May. |
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Post by mosher on Oct 2, 2022 14:37:53 GMT 1
Looks like this thread is longer than the Cardiff one. Yeah - great to see all those names missing from the Cardiff thread have suddenly remembered to post this week. And one or two new ones too! Funny how some posters only turn up after a defeat and how many new identities appear. We were shit, yes, but ffs I've seen god knows how many "worst performance I've ever seen" posts, when there's plenty much much worse. A lot of them televised for the whole world to marvel at our shitness. Off the top of my head: Home defeat against Barnet under Warnock, 7-1 away to Barnsley (and a 6-0 and a 6-1 iirc), Norwich 5-0, Leicester 6-1, some terrible 0-0s that were ten times worse than yesterday. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 2, 2022 14:47:36 GMT 1
Judging in comment. We have crap fans I think Town fans a remarkably tolerant for the way we have been treated since the end of May. How we have been treated? What entitlement do we have? |
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Post by ACW on Oct 2, 2022 15:01:27 GMT 1
Yeah - great to see all those names missing from the Cardiff thread have suddenly remembered to post this week. And one or two new ones too! Funny how some posters only turn up after a defeat and how many new identities appear. We were shit, yes, but ffs I've seen god knows how many "worst performance I've ever seen" posts, when there's plenty much much worse. A lot of them televised for the whole world to marvel at our shitness. Off the top of my head: Home defeat against Barnet under Warnock, 7-1 away to Barnsley (and a 6-0 and a 6-1 iirc), Norwich 5-0, Leicester 6-1, some terrible 0-0s that were ten times worse than yesterday. Yes, I also remember some absolutely horrendous games that didn't end in heavy defeats. You mention terrible 0-0s. I remember a home game against Oldham when Warnock was in charge. It was when we had hardly any grass on the pitch shortly after we opened the new stadium. I don't think either team strung more than two passes together all game. There were no shots, no saves and no constructive football. The ball spent most of the time in the air. It was genuinely like watching a pub game. Memorable for all the wrong reasons. |
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Oct 2, 2022 15:34:16 GMT 1
When it comes to praise or criticism of Town’s performance I only ever do so about games I’ve actually attended. I’ve never made any secret on here of the fact that I never watch Town live on TV, so I can’t comment on games I haven’t seen. I’ve also said before on here that I only managed to see Town last season in 11 games, far fewer than I used to typically see for many years. In those 11 games I saw Town score just five goals and the only win I saw was that God-awful 1-0 win v PNE.
Yesterday was only my second game this season, the other being Blackpool when we lost 1-0. In those 13 games then, I think Town has entertained me for perhaps 10 minutes in total (early on v Coventry last season when Ward scored a cracker) and they’ve scored six goals.
I’ve seen comments on here from others that yesterday was as bad a performance as they’ve seen in 50 years or whatever. “Outrageous”, others are saying, “you obviously don’t remember the 1970’s etc, etc”.
Well I remember the 1970’s very well, and remember many horrendous games, and I would say that yes, in all honesty, yesterday was right down there as amongst the ten worst performances I’ve ever had the misfortune to witness from Town.
Maybe I’ve just been very unlucky in the games I’ve personally been able to attend (I’m definitely starting to think that I might be a jinx!) but I was just bored, I was just not entertained, there was just no enjoyment. it’s the main reason why I never, ever warmed to Carlos Corberan, nor can I relate to the players from last season, nor can I relate to this season’s squad). The old boys from better days in the past (Rhodes, Ward, Hogg…) I can associate with, but almost all the rest, right now, are just names to me. I have no connection with them, they haven’t yet earned the right for me to care about them. These are players who in all likelihood will be earning anything from £5k-£20k per week and they are not delivering, they are not “fit to wear the shirt” as is often said.
If I lived local to Huddersfield I have no doubt that I’d be going to every home game, at least. As it is, I’m not prepared to make a 450 miles round trip to witness crap like I’ve seen all too often this last two seasons, and like I witnessed, yet again, yesterday.
Good luck, Mark Fotheringham. You’ve a hard job.
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Post by rugbyterrier on Oct 2, 2022 15:50:14 GMT 1
I think Town fans a remarkably tolerant for the way we have been treated since the end of May. How we have been treated? What entitlement do we have? Whatever I said you would say the contrary, so like Hoyle, I can't be arsed. |
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Post by turbo2 on Oct 2, 2022 15:52:51 GMT 1
I think Town fans a remarkably tolerant for the way we have been treated since the end of May. How we have been treated? What entitlement do we have? Is it too much to ask for some commitment and effort?  If it then I’ll fuck off and do something else. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 2, 2022 15:54:48 GMT 1
How we have been treated? What entitlement do we have? Whatever I said you would say the contrary, so like Hoyle, I can't be arsed. I am struggling to understand how 'we' have been treated poorly. Cheap tickets, nobody ever mentions that. Isn't like the result affects out normal working week. Things are not great, I admit that. Issues at the top is evident. But to say 'we' are being treat poorly is rubbish. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 2, 2022 16:15:19 GMT 1
Apologies if I am coming across argumentative. I really am not wanting an argument.
Personally, I now realise whatever decisions are made at the top, can I realistically do anything about it? In short no.
Do I make or lose millions of pound for the club? No.
I buy a SC which is a fantastic price for Championship football.
I feel there are a number of fans who have begun the rollercoater of supporting town since the PL (presumption) who are or seem entitled to have a go and demand certain things or expectations.
Any true fan, will understand where we are right now (bottom end of the championship) to be about where we should be. We have had many years in League 1 and Division 3. We have also had top flight football.
Currently, everything seems shambolic at the top. An owner who technically doesn't own the club putting 5m a year in.
Yes, it is grim seeing everything done on the cheap.
But that has always been our way apart from the summer of 18/19 and look how that turned out.
I believe we will be absolutely fine this season, we have to try and show patience and just realise that ridiculous comments about a man who has been with the club 5 days isn't doing anyone any good.
We need to get over the fact DW has not come back, and probably never will in any capacity.
24 hours reflection for some... was yesterday really the worst you have seen? If so, you have done well to wipe out memories of many worse than that.
If things are not looking better by the WC break. Fair enough. Talk about your protests etc. As it would need Great Escape MK2.
Let's support from near or far for Luton, and be ready to greet MF next Sunday with a true atmosphere.
Once again, apologies to anyone who feels I was argumentative.
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Post by drewden on Oct 2, 2022 20:50:19 GMT 1
I am afraid there is no choice, but that performance by H.T.F.C was the worst I have witnessed since I have supported them nearly 52 years. Can't have been to many games then. Could name many many more worse than that. Yes it was awful, but so many fans going OTT just because we didn't get Wagner. I game as an example Middlesborough away, going back to 1970, got the train special on a Tuesday night after school, magnificent performance to finish top and promoted, celebrated all night, then school in morning, I was 14 years old. I will stick to me saying that is the worst performance I have witnessed by H.T.F.C |
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Post by King Curtis on Oct 2, 2022 20:57:53 GMT 1
Apologies if I am coming across argumentative. I really am not wanting an argument. Personally, I now realise whatever decisions are made at the top, can I realistically do anything about it? In short no. Do I make or lose millions of pound for the club? No. I buy a SC which is a fantastic price for Championship football. I feel there are a number of fans who have begun the rollercoater of supporting town since the PL (presumption) who are or seem entitled to have a go and demand certain things or expectations. Any true fan, will understand where we are right now (bottom end of the championship) to be about where we should be. We have had many years in League 1 and Division 3. We have also had top flight football. Currently, everything seems shambolic at the top. An owner who technically doesn't own the club putting 5m a year in. Yes, it is grim seeing everything done on the cheap. But that has always been our way apart from the summer of 18/19 and look how that turned out. I believe we will be absolutely fine this season, we have to try and show patience and just realise that ridiculous comments about a man who has been with the club 5 days isn't doing anyone any good. We need to get over the fact DW has not come back, and probably never will in any capacity. 24 hours reflection for some... was yesterday really the worst you have seen? If so, you have done well to wipe out memories of many worse than that. If things are not looking better by the WC break. Fair enough. Talk about your protests etc. As it would need Great Escape MK2. Let's support from near or far for Luton, and be ready to greet MF next Sunday with a true atmosphere. Once again, apologies to anyone who feels I was argumentative. Nothing you said was argumentative. Why did you apologise twice? |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 3, 2022 8:33:32 GMT 1
Apologies if I am coming across argumentative. I really am not wanting an argument. Personally, I now realise whatever decisions are made at the top, can I realistically do anything about it? In short no. Do I make or lose millions of pound for the club? No. I buy a SC which is a fantastic price for Championship football. I feel there are a number of fans who have begun the rollercoater of supporting town since the PL (presumption) who are or seem entitled to have a go and demand certain things or expectations. Any true fan, will understand where we are right now (bottom end of the championship) to be about where we should be. We have had many years in League 1 and Division 3. We have also had top flight football. Currently, everything seems shambolic at the top. An owner who technically doesn't own the club putting 5m a year in. Yes, it is grim seeing everything done on the cheap. But that has always been our way apart from the summer of 18/19 and look how that turned out. I believe we will be absolutely fine this season, we have to try and show patience and just realise that ridiculous comments about a man who has been with the club 5 days isn't doing anyone any good. We need to get over the fact DW has not come back, and probably never will in any capacity. 24 hours reflection for some... was yesterday really the worst you have seen? If so, you have done well to wipe out memories of many worse than that. If things are not looking better by the WC break. Fair enough. Talk about your protests etc. As it would need Great Escape MK2. Let's support from near or far for Luton, and be ready to greet MF next Sunday with a true atmosphere. Once again, apologies to anyone who feels I was argumentative. Nothing you said was argumentative. Why did you apologise twice? Sometimes I feel it comes across that way via a keyboard! |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 3, 2022 8:40:59 GMT 1
Can't have been to many games then. Could name many many more worse than that. Yes it was awful, but so many fans going OTT just because we didn't get Wagner. I game as an example Middlesborough away, going back to 1970, got the train special on a Tuesday night after school, magnificent performance to finish top and promoted, celebrated all night, then school in morning, I was 14 years old. I will stick to me saying that is the worst performance I have witnessed by H.T.F.C Fair enough. You may not have witnessed them but these for me were worse. Some of them I can't even remember of the shorelines are correct they were that bad. 5-0 v Bournemouth when Robins left. 6-2 away V Scunthorpe 2003 4-0 away V Mansfield FA Cup 2001 4-0 away V Macclesfield 2003 4-1 home V Wolves 2015 3-0 home V Port Vale 2005 3-1 home V Gillingham 2008 These are ones I remember for being absolute abysmal. Saturday was not a patch on these. |
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Post by turbo2 on Oct 3, 2022 8:50:16 GMT 1
I game as an example Middlesborough away, going back to 1970, got the train special on a Tuesday night after school, magnificent performance to finish top and promoted, celebrated all night, then school in morning, I was 14 years old. I will stick to me saying that is the worst performance I have witnessed by H.T.F.C Fair enough. You may not have witnessed them but these for me were worse. Some of them I can't even remember of the shorelines are correct they were that bad. 5-0 v Bournemouth when Robins left. 6-2 away V Scunthorpe 2003 4-0 away V Mansfield FA Cup 2001 4-0 away V Macclesfield 2003 4-1 home V Wolves 2015 3-0 home V Port Vale 2005 3-1 home V Gillingham 2008 These are ones I remember for being absolute abysmal. Saturday was not a patch on these. Lol, I always say chesterfield away. Dec 2006. Ffs. We actually got a point. We’d signed mark Hudson from them in the summer. The home fans sang Hudsons not good enough and we joined in. Freezing cold and you’d see a better game in the works league |
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Post by Floyds on Oct 3, 2022 9:45:06 GMT 1
Fair enough. You may not have witnessed them but these for me were worse. Some of them I can't even remember of the shorelines are correct they were that bad. 5-0 v Bournemouth when Robins left. 6-2 away V Scunthorpe 2003 4-0 away V Mansfield FA Cup 2001 4-0 away V Macclesfield 2003 4-1 home V Wolves 2015 3-0 home V Port Vale 2005 3-1 home V Gillingham 2008 These are ones I remember for being absolute abysmal. Saturday was not a patch on these. Lol, I always say chesterfield away. Dec 2006. Ffs. We actually got a point. We’d signed mark Hudson from them in the summer. The home fans sang Hudsons not good enough and we joined in. Freezing cold and you’d see a better game in the works league I went to that. We went out around Chesterfield before/after. I think it was the day before Christmas Eve, didn't manage to make it out to buy any Christmas presents   I would concur about Hudson, he was crap. In a long list of ineffectual central midfielders. Good at pointing, though. |
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Post by ambryboy on Oct 3, 2022 9:47:08 GMT 1
Citeh away in 1987 was one of the darker moments for me (as well as being on a day that was so miserable that it never seemed to get properly light). Compared to that 3-1 at Reading is quite routine even though from the bits I managed to see on the dodgy stream Reading never got out of second gear.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Oct 3, 2022 9:59:55 GMT 1
Was it Yeovil who we played at home around 09-10, I think we were 0-2 down in the first 20 minutes but still won. Never before or since have I seen a team booed off after a win.
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 3, 2022 10:08:23 GMT 1
I game as an example Middlesborough away, going back to 1970, got the train special on a Tuesday night after school, magnificent performance to finish top and promoted, celebrated all night, then school in morning, I was 14 years old. I will stick to me saying that is the worst performance I have witnessed by H.T.F.C Fair enough. You may not have witnessed them but these for me were worse. Some of them I can't even remember of the shorelines are correct they were that bad. 5-0 v Bournemouth when Robins left. 6-2 away V Scunthorpe 2003 4-0 away V Mansfield FA Cup 2001 4-0 away V Macclesfield 2003 4-1 home V Wolves 2015 3-0 home V Port Vale 2005 3-1 home V Gillingham 2008 These are ones I remember for being absolute abysmal. Saturday was not a patch on these. 3-0 Peterborough in the league 1 play off final has to rank up there aswell. |
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Oct 3, 2022 10:18:49 GMT 1
Tino is out with Glandular Fever - nasty illness that be a good few weeks before he's back.
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Post by Mastercracker on Oct 3, 2022 11:00:14 GMT 1
Tino is out with Glandular Fever - nasty illness that be a good few weeks before he's back. And then 5 months before he's 'fit' again. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Oct 3, 2022 11:07:22 GMT 1
How we have been treated? What entitlement do we have? Whatever I said you would say the contrary, so like Hoyle, I can't be arsed. Im sure hell be thrilled to know putting £100k a week into a business he doesnt even own is 'not being arsed' according to people who put in £250 a year. |
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Post by rockwall on Oct 3, 2022 12:19:57 GMT 1
Fair enough. You may not have witnessed them but these for me were worse. Some of them I can't even remember of the shorelines are correct they were that bad. 5-0 v Bournemouth when Robins left. 6-2 away V Scunthorpe 2003 4-0 away V Mansfield FA Cup 2001 4-0 away V Macclesfield 2003 4-1 home V Wolves 2015 3-0 home V Port Vale 2005 3-1 home V Gillingham 2008 These are ones I remember for being absolute abysmal. Saturday was not a patch on these. 3-0 Peterborough in the league 1 play off final has to rank up there aswell. Yeah definitely. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 12:30:30 GMT 1
I've just spent time to listen to his post match interview, bloke can barely string a sentence together. Painful
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Post by mallyb on Oct 3, 2022 13:02:53 GMT 1
Whatever I said you would say the contrary, so like Hoyle, I can't be arsed. Im sure hell be thrilled to know putting £100k a week into a business he doesnt even own is 'not being arsed' according to people who put in £250 a year. I think Dean's investment this summer is about what we have come to expect. I think what is frustrating for me is he had a great coach/manager (something he has always struggled to find) and he didn't back him. Last time he stumbled onto a great manager he did back him and look where we went. We lost out on transfer targets for the 2nd time to Luton, both players we missed would walk into our starting 11 and make us instantly better. This summer was about making us better in attack, Mahoney, Rudoni and a loan of Tino? If Simpson wasn't injured he'd be out on loan. We aren't better in attack and while the new manager has had little time its not encouraging. The team were as lacking in structure and shape as we have seen all season. But the manager could only talk about what a good performance the 2nd half was and the who's who of German football that are coming to visit!!! It's not MF's fault that he takes over now rather than the club recruiting a head coach properly in the summer. The club operating on the budgets we do, we don't get to make many mistakes. They lost Carlos, mistake 1, Felt obligated to appoint DS then tell everybody he is not ready, mistake 2 & 3 Missed attacking targets (you can argue this isn't a mistake but it leaves us without the options that other teams in our division have) mistake 4 Jury still out on whether MF is mistake 5 but if it isn't working out how long do we wait? Why should he get more time than DS? Why has he got a 3 yer contract when Dean gives out 12 month rolling? Is it because he expects to get sacked? |
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Post by vivabobbyhoy on Oct 3, 2022 13:49:27 GMT 1
I've just spent time to listen to his post match interview, bloke can barely string a sentence together. Painful .... but he's really good at saying the word 'I'. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 13:59:08 GMT 1
I've just spent time to listen to his post match interview, bloke can barely string a sentence together. Painful .... but he's really good at saying the word 'I'. He's basically the Scottish version of Bromby, no wonder they love each other so much. |
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Post by Big Ern on Oct 3, 2022 15:54:14 GMT 1
Whatever I said you would say the contrary, so like Hoyle, I can't be arsed. Im sure hell be thrilled to know putting £100k a week into a business he doesnt even own is 'not being arsed' according to people who put in £250 a year. Herein lies the problem (in my humble opinion). Dean isn't investing into the club, he is putting enough in to keep it ticking over. There is no investment in terms of players or managers, it feels at the moment we are simply existing. Now I know he has lost a lot of money he is never likely to recover so he now has two options for me. Either invest into the team and create a better squad capable of challenging/promotion or he sells to someone else that is willing to do so. If he carries on down the path we are on then we will be relegated. The fans will disappear in their droves, we will be even more financially knackered and he will end up walking away without his money or the excellent reputation he built. For me plodding on as we are isn't an option. |
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