World Cup 2022

[joeyjoneslocker]

Oct 27, 2022 17:36:41 GMT 1 3Pipe said:

Oct 27, 2022 17:19:12 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

It shouldnt be there but it is..

At the end of the day a World Cup should be held in a country where all citizens of that world feel safe to attend.

That rules out most countries. 

[3Pipe]

Oct 27, 2022 17:47:23 GMT 1 joeyjoneslocker said:

Oct 27, 2022 17:36:41 GMT 1 3Pipe said:

At the end of the day a World Cup should be held in a country where all citizens of that world feel safe to attend.

That rules out most countries. 

So be it.

[Captainslapper]

Oct 27, 2022 17:55:34 GMT 1 3Pipe said:

Oct 27, 2022 17:47:23 GMT 1 joeyjoneslocker said:

That rules out most countries. 

So be it.

Its a valid argument even if its quite an imperialistic approach but it stops it being the 'World' Cup .
The 'world' includes lots of countries that do things and have attitudes that we in our liberal, western societies dont agree with.
Not sure calling it the Non-islamic World Cup would be politically acceptable... Maybe the 'Think like we do World Cup'?

[galpharm2400]

Oct 27, 2022 18:05:46 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Oct 27, 2022 17:55:34 GMT 1 3Pipe said:

So be it.

Its a valid argument even if its quite an imperialistic approach but it stops it being the 'World' Cup .
The 'world' includes lots of countries that do things and have attitudes that we in our liberal, western societies dont agree with.
Not sure calling it the Non-islamic World Cup would be politically acceptable... Maybe the 'Think like we do World Cup'?

They dont boycott our depraved and hell bound countries...🤔
Which is nice...

[3Pipe]

It's boils down to common sense to me and folk being safe. You can discuss the politics and religious ethics until the cows come home and I have my views on that too but the people that visit the host country from all over the planet must be safe and must feel safe.

[duncfost01]

Oct 27, 2022 9:31:59 GMT 1 Essex Terrier said:

Of anyone is giving any thoughts to whether they should support this awful event, from today's Times....

"Of a population of three million, only a tenth are citizens. The rest are foreign workers, their temporary status emphasised by the most remarkable demographic statistic I’ve seen recently: 76 per cent of the Qatari population is male."

come on everyone, this should not be happening, should it?

It clearly shouldn’t. It’s actually a disgrace.

[Captainslapper]

Oct 27, 2022 19:32:52 GMT 1 3Pipe said:

It's boils down to common sense to me and folk being safe. You can discuss the politics and religious ethics until the cows come home and I have my views on that too but the people that visit the host country from all over the planet must be safe and must feel safe.

Its probably the safest World Cup theres been, regardless of who you are. The Qataris have made it perfectly clear people will be allowed to be whoever they want in public within the bounds of reasonable public behaviour, and the last thing they'll allow is anything stopping that happening.
from their perspective the whole point of getting the World Cup was to promote their country.

I was far more worried about visiting fans' safety in South Africa, Brazil and Russia.

[3Pipe]

Oct 27, 2022 20:41:16 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Its probably the safest World Cup theres been, regardless of who you are. The Qataris have made it perfectly clear people will be allowed to be whoever they want in public within the bounds of reasonable public behaviour, and the last thing they'll allow is anything stopping that happening.
from their perspective the whole point of getting the World Cup was to promote their country.

I was far more worried about visiting fans' safety in South Africa, Brazil and Russia.

3 good examples there which I agree with which just goes to show what an absolute cesspit of morality FIFA is.

But Qatar 'the safest World Cup there's been'? It depends on who you are doesn't it. I remember them saying that about Russia too. They always roll that one out in the run-up to a World Cup, especially one which has the potential to be anything but.

The Supreme Committee - the body responsible for organizing the 2022 Qatari World Cup - have said that everybody's welcome at the tournament, yet Qatar have not actually made any attempt to repeal or even suspend laws that criminalize homosexuality. It's a recipe for something bad to happen. Worth bearing in mind too that Qatar's strict Islamic code outlaws all sexual contact between unmarried couples. I could take my girlfriend to Qatar but it would be illegal to bang her in the privacy of my hotel. It's preposterous.

One thing that will thankfully lead to less incidents is a large element of the LGBTQ football community will be keeping well away from the tournament and from Qatar full stop.

I'd have a read of this too as an eye-opener to the sort of problems facing women travellers in general.

www.france24.com/en/live-news/20221023-qatar-pressed-on-safety-of-women-travelling-to-world-cup

And all that is before you open the big can of worms that is rape and the problems and risk of flogging for reporting it.

Horrible country. Horrible, antiquated, barbaric belief system. Plenty of better alternative countries to host a World Cup but we know money talks, moreso than it ever did.

[shawsie]

Wheres the answer couldnt care less right now but will do when it starts ....... assuming theres some decent games to watch!!!

[bridgeterrier]

Oct 27, 2022 22:20:13 GMT 1 3Pipe said:

Oct 27, 2022 20:41:16 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Its probably the safest World Cup theres been, regardless of who you are. The Qataris have made it perfectly clear people will be allowed to be whoever they want in public within the bounds of reasonable public behaviour, and the last thing they'll allow is anything stopping that happening.
from their perspective the whole point of getting the World Cup was to promote their country.

I was far more worried about visiting fans' safety in South Africa, Brazil and Russia.

3 good examples there which I agree with which just goes to show what an absolute cesspit of morality FIFA is.

But Qatar 'the safest World Cup there's been'? It depends on who you are doesn't it. I remember them saying that about Russia too. They always roll that one out in the run-up to a World Cup, especially one which has the potential to be anything but.

The Supreme Committee - the body responsible for organizing the 2022 Qatari World Cup - have said that everybody's welcome at the tournament, yet Qatar have not actually made any attempt to repeal or even suspend laws that criminalize homosexuality. It's a recipe for something bad to happen. Worth bearing in mind too that Qatar's strict Islamic code outlaws all sexual contact between unmarried couples. I could take my girlfriend to Qatar but it would be illegal to bang her in the privacy of my hotel. It's preposterous.

One thing that will thankfully lead to less incidents is a large element of the LGBTQ football community will be keeping well away from the tournament and from Qatar full stop.

I'd have a read of this too as an eye-opener to the sort of problems facing women travellers in general.

www.france24.com/en/live-news/20221023-qatar-pressed-on-safety-of-women-travelling-to-world-cup

And all that is before you open the big can of worms that is rape and the problems and risk of flogging for reporting it.

Horrible country. Horrible, antiquated, barbaric belief system. Plenty of better alternative countries to host a World Cup but we know money talks, moreso than it ever did.

I may be wrong and i hope I'm not but I genuinely think everyone will be welcome, Qatar knows they eyes of the world will be firmly focused on how they treat people from all walks of life and in particular the LGBQT community who visit them. They want to show the world that they can host a major event, that the hospitality can match that of Dubai and Abu Dhabi and it can put Qatar on the map as a Holiday destination for future years to come

Only time will tell what happens at this World Cup and beyond that will Qatar be as "relaxed" as they are proposing to be who knows, either way I think a lot of people around the world will be surprised by Qatar and similar I think Qatar will learn a lot from hosting this event

[ilsonterrier]

Oct 27, 2022 22:20:13 GMT 1 3Pipe said:

Oct 27, 2022 20:41:16 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Its probably the safest World Cup theres been, regardless of who you are. The Qataris have made it perfectly clear people will be allowed to be whoever they want in public within the bounds of reasonable public behaviour, and the last thing they'll allow is anything stopping that happening.
from their perspective the whole point of getting the World Cup was to promote their country.

I was far more worried about visiting fans' safety in South Africa, Brazil and Russia.

3 good examples there which I agree with which just goes to show what an absolute cesspit of morality FIFA is.

But Qatar 'the safest World Cup there's been'? It depends on who you are doesn't it. I remember them saying that about Russia too. They always roll that one out in the run-up to a World Cup, especially one which has the potential to be anything but.

The Supreme Committee - the body responsible for organizing the 2022 Qatari World Cup - have said that everybody's welcome at the tournament, yet Qatar have not actually made any attempt to repeal or even suspend laws that criminalize homosexuality. It's a recipe for something bad to happen. Worth bearing in mind too that Qatar's strict Islamic code outlaws all sexual contact between unmarried couples. I could take my girlfriend to Qatar but it would be illegal to bang her in the privacy of my hotel. It's preposterous.

One thing that will thankfully lead to less incidents is a large element of the LGBTQ football community will be keeping well away from the tournament and from Qatar full stop.

I'd have a read of this too as an eye-opener to the sort of problems facing women travellers in general.

www.france24.com/en/live-news/20221023-qatar-pressed-on-safety-of-women-travelling-to-world-cup

And all that is before you open the big can of worms that is rape and the problems and risk of flogging for reporting it.

Horrible country. Horrible, antiquated, barbaric belief system. Plenty of better alternative countries to host a World Cup but we know money talks, moreso than it ever did.

We have friends who have been to every world cup since 2002. They are in their mid-50's and have been together for 30 years yet have never married. For the reason highlighted above, they are not going to Qatar. Bit sad really, but they just didn't want to take any chances. 

As we all knew at the time, a totally corrupt decision by FIFA, taken purely on monetary grounds.

[3Pipe]

Ah, that is sad.

And, as you say, we all knew at the time.

[Captainslapper]

really? They seriously think there is any risk whatsoever of the authorities there having an issue with them not being married??
Sorry, but I think thats absurd.

As bridge terrier has just said, what its like after the tournament is anyones guess ( will they go straight back to the intolerances they had? ) but for the tournament at least the absolute last thing they will want to project themselves as is a country that will not tolerate such things.
They know the worlds eyes are firmly fixed on them... its the whole reason they got ( bought ) the tournament in the first place... to advertise themselves globally, and for a islamic country they've gone to great lengths to advertise the big concessions theyre making to their faith driven laws for these finals.

On a related subject, the England cricket team has just been to Pakistan for the first time in years. It was a threat of violence that kept them away, but should they go there anyway when its a country with similar religious intolerances as Qatar ?
I dont think I saw any objections and protests about it.

[ilsonterrier]

Oct 28, 2022 10:52:35 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

really? They seriously think there is any risk whatsoever of the authorities there having an issue with them not being married??
Sorry, but I think thats absurd.

As bridge terrier has just said, what its like after the tournament is anyones guess ( will they go straight back to the intolerances they had? ) but for the tournament at least the absolute last thing they will want to project themselves as is a country that will not tolerate such things.
They know the worlds eyes are firmly fixed on them... its the whole reason they got ( bought ) the tournament in the first place... to advertise themselves globally, and for a islamic country they've gone to great lengths to advertise the big concessions theyre making to their faith driven laws for these finals.

On a related subject, the England cricket team has just been to Pakistan for the first time in years. It was a threat of violence that kept them away, but should they go there anyway when its a country with similar religious intolerances as Qatar ?
I dont think I saw any objections and protests about it.

With hindsight it does seem crazy but, at the time they had to make the decision whether to go or not, there was no indication as to how Qatar would apply their strict laws - whether there would be any relaxation of them. They just felt it wasn't worth taking the chance.

[Lard Buttie]

Can't get excited about this WC at the moment - maybe cos there's so much football around at the moment anyway as its being held mid-seaon this time.

I don't reckon we'll do well in the tournament anyroad but we'll see.

[themanfromatlantis]

Oct 28, 2022 10:52:35 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

really? They seriously think there is any risk whatsoever of the authorities there having an issue with them not being married??
Sorry, but I think thats absurd.

As bridge terrier has just said, what its like after the tournament is anyones guess ( will they go straight back to the intolerances they had? ) but for the tournament at least the absolute last thing they will want to project themselves as is a country that will not tolerate such things.
They know the worlds eyes are firmly fixed on them... its the whole reason they got ( bought ) the tournament in the first place... to advertise themselves globally, and for a islamic country they've gone to great lengths to advertise the big concessions theyre making to their faith driven laws for these finals.

On a related subject, the England cricket team has just been to Pakistan for the first time in years. It was a threat of violence that kept them away, but should they go there anyway when its a country with similar religious intolerances as Qatar ?
I dont think I saw any objections and protests about it.

That was terrorism related I believe Slapps, not a general concern about violence/stability.

I think it was related to the attack on the Sri Lankan team a few years ago?

[Captainslapper]

Yeah by violence I was meaning terrorism.
I just called it violence which now im seeing it seems an odd word to use.

[ringdisco]

I'll probably pass.

[galpharm2400]

Oct 28, 2022 11:03:22 GMT 1 ilsonterrier said:

Oct 28, 2022 10:52:35 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

really? They seriously think there is any risk whatsoever of the authorities there having an issue with them not being married??
Sorry, but I think thats absurd.

As bridge terrier has just said, what its like after the tournament is anyones guess ( will they go straight back to the intolerances they had? ) but for the tournament at least the absolute last thing they will want to project themselves as is a country that will not tolerate such things.
They know the worlds eyes are firmly fixed on them... its the whole reason they got ( bought ) the tournament in the first place... to advertise themselves globally, and for a islamic country they've gone to great lengths to advertise the big concessions theyre making to their faith driven laws for these finals.

On a related subject, the England cricket team has just been to Pakistan for the first time in years. It was a threat of violence that kept them away, but should they go there anyway when its a country with similar religious intolerances as Qatar ?
I dont think I saw any objections and protests about it.

With hindsight it does seem crazy but, at the time they had to make the decision whether to go or not, there was no indication as to how Qatar would apply their strict laws - whether there would be any relaxation of them. They just felt it wasn't worth taking the chance.

There will be calls from the religious leaders for some enforcement, which will be allowed by the families but is likely to be aimed at general behaviour by fans rather than observing hotel rooms etc. The population of Qatar will be told exactly what the leaders wish them to be told after the tournament anyway.
Any issues may well be caused via peoples use of social media which will be heavily monitored, they may turn a blind one to a certain extent but not if people are 'sharing' their breaches of the laws?
I always think people are aware of their being monitored but of course we see daily that they do post stuff without thinking.

[3Pipe]

Oct 28, 2022 10:52:35 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

really? They seriously think there is any risk whatsoever of the authorities there having an issue with them not being married??

It's not you taking that chance though, is it? It's easy to sit behind a computer screen tapping 'everything's gonna be alright'.

And the issue is it's illegal.

More actual reading material for you to gloss over,

www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/qatar/local-laws-and-customs

See any potential problems there?

Relationships outside of marriage

Any intimacy in public between men and women (including between teenagers) can lead to arrest.

Living together whilst unmarried is prohibited in Qatar, and sex outside of marriage, regardless of whether this is same sex couples or opposite sex couples, is illegal. This can lead to arrest and a potential court case where the judgement can include a fine, a custodial sentence and deportation once the sentence is complete. This is especially so where the behaviour has caused offence. See Local laws and customs page.

Due to the laws on sex outside marriage, if you become pregnant outside marriage, both you and your partner could face imprisonment and/or deportation. Doctors will ask for proof of marriage during ante-natal checks. An unmarried woman who gives birth in Qatar may also encounter problems when registering the birth of the child in Qatar, and could be arrested, imprisoned or deported. To get a birth certificate from the Qatari authorities, you must provide a marriage certificate and the authorities may compare the date of the marriage against the estimated date of conception.

Dress code

You should dress modestly when in public, including while driving. Women must cover their shoulders and avoid wearing short skirts. Both men and women are advised not to wear shorts or sleeveless tops, when going to government buildings, health care facilities or malls. If you do not dress modestly, you may be asked to leave or be denied entry to these locations.

Good luck with that in 50 degree heat.

Photography/media

Be aware of cultural sensitivities when filming or photographing people and religious, military or construction sites. Some visitors attempting to film or photograph in sensitive areas have been arrested. If in doubt, seek permission.

If you’re working as a journalist, you’ll need to get permission from the Qatar News Agency (QNA) to film or photograph as part of your work and enter the country on a visiting press permit. This permit will clear technical equipment like cameras through airport customs and provides other necessary information.

There are strict privacy laws in Qatar. Posting material (including videos and photographs) online that appear to insult, slander or are culturally insensitive, may be considered a crime punishable under Qatari law. Individuals have been detained, prosecuted and/or convicted for posting this type of material.

This one I can attest to from personal experience. Spent time in the 90s in Gambia, West Africa, a largely Muslim country. Had a knife pulled on me for taking a photo of a small ferry terminal which had a small poster on the wall. The poster had a face on it which I was later told was a religious leader. Some person took offense to my taking said photograph, pulled a knife on me and shouting at me in a language I didn't understand. Luckily, a local was able to smooth out the situation. The point is these kind of things do happen.

[ringdisco]

Oct 27, 2022 17:19:12 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Oct 27, 2022 9:57:50 GMT 1 sabailand said:

Yes to be fair most gay people who are travelling will be aware the country has some draconian laws, im sure they know its not like a fortnight in a European destination, its the hysterical overreaction to the government ministers comments i cant understand, it was basically sensible advice about a country where in 2022 being gay is illegal.

Yeah I dont really understand the outcry.. other than you always face an outcry unless you stand 100% behind any opinions the LGBT community have.

It shouldnt be there but it is.. and its an islamic country... advising people to respect that its an islamic country and that as such, it has a different culture and attitudes to ourselves doesnt seem anything to whinge about to me.
Seems like sensible advice and its said alongside the Qataris assuring everyone that no one is going to have a problem if they are openly gay or trans in public.. which is actually a huge concession for an islamic nation.

The elephant in the room is that no one wants to say the World Cup should never be held in any islamic country.
Should they? If its the 'World' cup then that world includes lots of places that dont share our western liberal attitudes. Do we have the right to impose our moral compass on them? We dont worry about imposing it on them in our own country never mind in a different one.

The other elephant in the room is that whilst all these nations are trying to be seen objecting to the Qataris in these various ways, none of them are prepared to boycott it, so their principles only go so far it seems.
They could have all got together years ago and said 'No, we refuse to play the World Cup in Qatar', and simply organised their own World Cup between them.
Thrown the obviously corrupt FIFA under a bus of Qatari law suits where it deserved to be.

Not about it being a muslim country, at all. It's all about the thousands of deaths, and horrible conditions for migrant workers. Well, that, and FIFA being corrupt as hell.

[CanaryIsleTerrier]

Arse! Just checking the fixtures. Mexico v Argentina at 7 'o clock Saturday 26th. I was hoping this would be on BBC so I didn't have to watch Strictly Come Dancing with the missus, but it's on ITV.

[Captainslapper]

Oct 28, 2022 11:27:02 GMT 1 ringdisco said:

Oct 27, 2022 17:19:12 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Yeah I dont really understand the outcry.. other than you always face an outcry unless you stand 100% behind any opinions the LGBT community have.

It shouldnt be there but it is.. and its an islamic country... advising people to respect that its an islamic country and that as such, it has a different culture and attitudes to ourselves doesnt seem anything to whinge about to me.
Seems like sensible advice and its said alongside the Qataris assuring everyone that no one is going to have a problem if they are openly gay or trans in public.. which is actually a huge concession for an islamic nation.

The elephant in the room is that no one wants to say the World Cup should never be held in any islamic country.
Should they? If its the 'World' cup then that world includes lots of places that dont share our western liberal attitudes. Do we have the right to impose our moral compass on them? We dont worry about imposing it on them in our own country never mind in a different one.

The other elephant in the room is that whilst all these nations are trying to be seen objecting to the Qataris in these various ways, none of them are prepared to boycott it, so their principles only go so far it seems.
They could have all got together years ago and said 'No, we refuse to play the World Cup in Qatar', and simply organised their own World Cup between them.
Thrown the obviously corrupt FIFA under a bus of Qatari law suits where it deserved to be.

Not about it being a muslim country, at all. It's all about the thousands of deaths, and horrible conditions for migrant workers. Well, that, and FIFA being corrupt as hell.

In terms of the concerns about gay or trans fans travelling there , its entirely about it being a muslim country! Its their islamic laws that are causing the concerns.

The modern slavery issue is separate to that.
If thats an issue ( and it should be ) then lets not send our cricket team to India because according to slavery campaign groups there are more people in modern slavery today in India than there was slaves in the plantations of the West Indies during the 18th and early 19th century.

[Captainslapper]

Oct 28, 2022 11:25:11 GMT 1 3Pipe said:

Oct 28, 2022 10:52:35 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

really? They seriously think there is any risk whatsoever of the authorities there having an issue with them not being married??

It's not you taking that chance though, is it? It's easy to sit behind a computer screen tapping 'everything's gonna be alright'.

And the issue is it's illegal.

More actual reading material for you to gloss over,

www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/qatar/local-laws-and-customs

See any potential problems there?

Relationships outside of marriage

Any intimacy in public between men and women (including between teenagers) can lead to arrest.

Living together whilst unmarried is prohibited in Qatar, and sex outside of marriage, regardless of whether this is same sex couples or opposite sex couples, is illegal. This can lead to arrest and a potential court case where the judgement can include a fine, a custodial sentence and deportation once the sentence is complete. This is especially so where the behaviour has caused offence. See Local laws and customs page.

Due to the laws on sex outside marriage, if you become pregnant outside marriage, both you and your partner could face imprisonment and/or deportation. Doctors will ask for proof of marriage during ante-natal checks. An unmarried woman who gives birth in Qatar may also encounter problems when registering the birth of the child in Qatar, and could be arrested, imprisoned or deported. To get a birth certificate from the Qatari authorities, you must provide a marriage certificate and the authorities may compare the date of the marriage against the estimated date of conception.

Dress code

You should dress modestly when in public, including while driving. Women must cover their shoulders and avoid wearing short skirts. Both men and women are advised not to wear shorts or sleeveless tops, when going to government buildings, health care facilities or malls. If you do not dress modestly, you may be asked to leave or be denied entry to these locations.

Good luck with that in 50 degree heat.

Photography/media

Be aware of cultural sensitivities when filming or photographing people and religious, military or construction sites. Some visitors attempting to film or photograph in sensitive areas have been arrested. If in doubt, seek permission.

If you’re working as a journalist, you’ll need to get permission from the Qatar News Agency (QNA) to film or photograph as part of your work and enter the country on a visiting press permit. This permit will clear technical equipment like cameras through airport customs and provides other necessary information.

There are strict privacy laws in Qatar. Posting material (including videos and photographs) online that appear to insult, slander or are culturally insensitive, may be considered a crime punishable under Qatari law. Individuals have been detained, prosecuted and/or convicted for posting this type of material.

This one I can attest to from personal experience. Spent time in the 90s in Gambia, West Africa, a largely Muslim country. Had a knife pulled on me for taking a photo of a small ferry terminal which had a small poster on the wall. The poster had a face on it which I was later told was a religious leader. Some person took offense to my taking said photograph, pulled a knife on me and shouting at me in a language I didn't understand. Luckily, a local was able to smooth out the situation. The point is these kind of things do happen.

yeah mate I get all that. Thats Qatar normally.
But this isn't going to be Qatar normally.
The Qataris arent going to implement any of that ( within reason ) during this World Cup.
They've said they arent, and they just arent, because it would be absurd for them to go to all the expense of buying and hosting this tournament to promote their country internationally, and then go around arresting the visitors it attracts for the things on that list!

Seriously, unless you are really taking the piss, the only danger over there will be from other visiting fans and I doubt there'll be much of that. Its probably the safest World Cup theres ever been to visit whoever you are.

[goodbet]

Oct 28, 2022 10:52:35 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

really? They seriously think there is any risk whatsoever of the authorities there having an issue with them not being married??
Sorry, but I think thats absurd.

As bridge terrier has just said, what its like after the tournament is anyones guess ( will they go straight back to the intolerances they had? ) but for the tournament at least the absolute last thing they will want to project themselves as is a country that will not tolerate such things.
They know the worlds eyes are firmly fixed on them... its the whole reason they got ( bought ) the tournament in the first place... to advertise themselves globally, and for a islamic country they've gone to great lengths to advertise the big concessions theyre making to their faith driven laws for these finals.

On a related subject, the England cricket team has just been to Pakistan for the first time in years. It was a threat of violence that kept them away, but should they go there anyway when its a country with similar religious intolerances as Qatar ?
I dont think I saw any objections and protests about it.

I lived in Abu Dhabi and we were advised that my wife should ware her wedding ring and there could be issues if I had a car accident with just another woman in my car who was not my wife.

Plenty of people go to Dubai and Abi Dhabi for holidays without any issues, but if they ran in to a problem with the authorities it could prove to be more problematic than they expect.

[CanaryIsleTerrier]

Oct 28, 2022 12:15:19 GMT 1 goodbet said:

Oct 28, 2022 10:52:35 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

really? They seriously think there is any risk whatsoever of the authorities there having an issue with them not being married??
Sorry, but I think thats absurd.

As bridge terrier has just said, what its like after the tournament is anyones guess ( will they go straight back to the intolerances they had? ) but for the tournament at least the absolute last thing they will want to project themselves as is a country that will not tolerate such things.
They know the worlds eyes are firmly fixed on them... its the whole reason they got ( bought ) the tournament in the first place... to advertise themselves globally, and for a islamic country they've gone to great lengths to advertise the big concessions theyre making to their faith driven laws for these finals.

On a related subject, the England cricket team has just been to Pakistan for the first time in years. It was a threat of violence that kept them away, but should they go there anyway when its a country with similar religious intolerances as Qatar ?
I dont think I saw any objections and protests about it.

I lived in Abu Dhabi and we were advised that my wife should ware her wedding ring and there could be issues if I had a car accident with just another woman in my car who was not my wife.

Plenty of people go to Dubai and Abi Dhabi for holidays without any issues, but if they ran in to a problem with the authorities it could prove to be more problematic than they expect.

Those well know misogynists Andy Gray and Richard Keys both now live and work in Doha.  I have the 'pleasure' of watching them on Bein Sports.  I'm sure they fit in well there.

[goodbet]

Oct 28, 2022 12:32:21 GMT 1 CanaryIsleTerrier said:

Oct 28, 2022 12:15:19 GMT 1 goodbet said:

I lived in Abu Dhabi and we were advised that my wife should ware her wedding ring and there could be issues if I had a car accident with just another woman in my car who was not my wife.

Plenty of people go to Dubai and Abi Dhabi for holidays without any issues, but if they ran in to a problem with the authorities it could prove to be more problematic than they expect.

Those well know misogynists Andy Gray and Richard Keys both now live and work in Doha.  I have the 'pleasure' of watching them on Bein Sports.  I'm sure they fit in well there.

As a male from the UK or a US citizen you do feel pretty much bullet proof.

I had to help sort out issues for my workers from India or the Philippines who were treated terribly by the authorities. One was imprisoned for six months, mistreated and then found innocent and was just released and told to behave himself in future.

[3Pipe]

Oct 28, 2022 11:55:11 GMT 1 CanaryIsleTerrier said:

Arse! Just checking the fixtures. Mexico v Argentina at 7 'o clock Saturday 26th. I was hoping this would be on BBC so I didn't have to watch Strictly Come Dancing with the missus, but it's on ITV.

I wouldn't be shouting that too loudly in Qatar.

[CanaryIsleTerrier]

Oct 28, 2022 13:44:02 GMT 1 3Pipe said:

Oct 28, 2022 11:55:11 GMT 1 CanaryIsleTerrier said:

Arse! Just checking the fixtures. Mexico v Argentina at 7 'o clock Saturday 26th. I was hoping this would be on BBC so I didn't have to watch Strictly Come Dancing with the missus, but it's on ITV.

I wouldn't be shouting that too loudly in Qatar.

Hmm not sure. An earlier post stated a 76% male population....

[ringdisco]

Oct 28, 2022 11:59:00 GMT 1 Captainslapper said:

Oct 28, 2022 11:27:02 GMT 1 ringdisco said:

Not about it being a muslim country, at all. It's all about the thousands of deaths, and horrible conditions for migrant workers. Well, that, and FIFA being corrupt as hell.

In terms of the concerns about gay or trans fans travelling there , its entirely about it being a muslim country! Its their islamic laws that are causing the concerns.

The modern slavery issue is separate to that.
If thats an issue ( and it should be ) then lets not send our cricket team to India because according to slavery campaign groups there are more people in modern slavery today in India than there was slaves in the plantations of the West Indies during the 18th and early 19th century.

Missing the point a bit. The grass roots doesn't exist in the same way in cricket. Neither did this start in Britain. This was never a thing being pushed by the powers that be. But yeah, maybe someone should do exactly that, point some fingers at India.