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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 3, 2022 0:12:03 GMT 1
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Post by royrace on Nov 3, 2022 0:13:25 GMT 1
We actually played some good stuff tonight. We were the better side before they scored and that seemed to knock our confidence a bit. Not surprising when the team is so young. As has been said, scoring is a big issue. We should have scored a couple tonight, especially the Holmes chance, and that has cost us the win. Throw Lees, Pearson, Turton, Hogg, Thomas and Anjorin into that team and it’s a comfortable win for us. I guess that’s what I am clinging onto. We surely have to get some of those players back soon and we will start to pick up some wins. I’d agree with that, what’s concerning is the lack of quality as backup. From what we saw tonight and previously Ruffels, Spencer, Mahoney aren’t championship players. Mahoney jogged on like it was a testimonial, compare him to someone like Quaner coming off the bench, probably a worse footballer but able to affect the game. Then we have 2 centre backs on the bench who are seemingly that bad we’d rather play Ruffels there. Some good performances tonight but it’s nowhere near enough when you have that many weak links and a massive lack of experience. Most top end league one teams would probably beat tonight’s side. Might help if we had a mobile goal scorer. Holmes had a fairly good game but that chance he missed was a real turning point and can we stop it with his long(not) throws and keep him off direct free kicks. A complete waste. It didn’t look good before these recent injuries, looks a whole lot worse now, incredible how weak the squad suddenly looks when you factor in the lack of quality backup. Not just footballing quality but age, experience and attitude. This is what happens when you have to rely on B team players and rejects from other low end championship sides, doesn’t work in this league. |
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Post by johntheterrier on Nov 3, 2022 0:13:33 GMT 1
We actually played some good stuff tonight. We were the better side before they scored and that seemed to knock our confidence a bit. Not surprising when the team is so young. As has been said, scoring is a big issue. We should have scored a couple tonight, especially the Holmes chance, and that has cost us the win. Throw Lees, Pearson, Turton, Hogg, Thomas and Anjorin into that team and it’s a comfortable win for us. I guess that’s what I am clinging onto. We surely have to get some of those players back soon and we will start to pick up some wins. Lol. What are you smoking these days? 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by johntheterrier on Nov 3, 2022 0:15:27 GMT 1
2 goals from open play in the last 8 games An own goal and a rubbish cross which fortunately went in. No way can a team stay up with a record like that I love a stat, not going to lie. Ones involving Town in recent years have been truly amazing (and depressing). Currently, the latter. |
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Post by johntheterrier on Nov 3, 2022 0:16:18 GMT 1
We actually played some good stuff tonight. We were the better side before they scored and that seemed to knock our confidence a bit. Not surprising when the team is so young. As has been said, scoring is a big issue. We should have scored a couple tonight, especially the Holmes chance, and that has cost us the win. Throw Lees, Pearson, Turton, Hogg, Thomas and Anjorin into that team and it’s a comfortable win for us. I guess that’s what I am clinging onto. We surely have to get some of those players back soon and we will start to pick up some wins. I’d agree with that, what’s concerning is the lack of quality as backup. From what we saw tonight and previously Ruffels, Spencer, Mahoney aren’t championship players. Mahoney jogged on like it was a testimonial, compare him to someone like Quaner coming off the bench, probably a worse footballer but able to affect the game. Then we have 2 centre backs on the bench who are seemingly that bad we’d rather play Ruffels there. Some good performances tonight but it’s nowhere near enough when you have that many weak links and a massive lack of experience. Most top end league one teams would probably beat tonight’s side. Might help if we had a mobile goal scorer. Holmes had a fairly good game but that chance he missed was a real turning point and can we stop it with his long(not) throws and keep him off direct free kicks. A complete waste. It didn’t look good before these recent injuries, looks a whole lot worse now, incredible how weak the squad suddenly looks when you factor in the lack of quality backup. Not just footballing quality but age, experience and attitude. This is what happens when you have to rely on B team players and rejects from other low end championship sides, doesn’t work in this league. Correct. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 3, 2022 0:16:23 GMT 1
Just to reiterate, shite result. However, as many have said, better finishing and we could well have taken the 3 points. I don’t think Sunderland were anything but ordinary, but the first goal was a very good break. Second goal was a sucker punch when we were chasing an equaliser and it made the scoreline flattering for them. We’re bottom of the league, and as befits that position, the luck really isn’t with us. Our injury list seems to grow just to give you that further tap in the nads. However, I saw a few green shoots out there tonight. Some young lads who seem to be getting a bit of confidence in their game, which bodes well for the future, even if we were to be relegated this season. We might need to take a step backwards to move forward, not great for the here & now but longer term we might have a very decent midfield. Defensively we didn’t really do much wrong despite the score, but the age of that back line and the fact we’ve not really had a settled bunch is a concern for me. If we can get Pearson and Lees back & keep them fit, it should give us a boost. As for the forward play, not a lot you can say. It’s not really a lack of talent or chances in the last couple of games, I just think we’ve crept into that mode where our composure is pants. Once you’re bottom of the league & chasing games that becomes a more difficult problem to solve. You’ll probably think I’m on something, but if we can knock a couple of goals in on Sat (big ask), would it surprise people on here if we took a point or three from Blackburn. Still plenty to play for, could do with at least 4 points before the WC break. UTT!!! (and no, I’m not on drugs…) Did you see how many poor crosses went in to the box tonight? Well actually that's not factually true because most hit the first man or were blazed over everyone and out the other side of the box. When it happens over and over again, that is a lack of talent. You say it’s (a lack of) talent, I say composure. Is there a song about that? Should we just call the whole thing off? |
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Post by terrier10 on Nov 3, 2022 0:17:50 GMT 1
First Half - looked to be on the front foot, played some ok stuff and better team.
Second Half - once conceded we were so pedestrian in possession…side to side allowing Sunderland to get back into two blocks. It shows why we struggle so much.
Whilst I can’t knock MF for the players at his disposal and there have been positives against Millwall and some in 1st Half the lack of goals from open play is a massive worry and when he states that “we could have had x amount…” and “really pleased with the training and it will come” or whatever soundbites he uses he loses all credibility.
Sunderland were poor yet come out 2-0 winners.
The recruitment decisions (both playing and Coaching) from Leigh Bromby have put us from one foot in the PL to one foot in the Championship after 17 Games.
It’s just all very “meh” again and I genuinely shift from being wound up by it all to being very “whatever”.
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Post by johntheterrier on Nov 3, 2022 0:18:12 GMT 1
Did you see how many poor crosses went in to the box tonight? Well actually that's not factually true because most hit the first man or were blazed over everyone and out the other side of the box. When it happens over and over again, that is a lack of talent. You say it’s (a lack of) talent, I say composure. Is there a song about that? Should we just call the whole thing off? No, just call it what it is. Utter shite? |
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Post by ACW on Nov 3, 2022 0:18:41 GMT 1
We didn't play badly. Played okay in the first half, although Sunderland missed two big chances.
Started the second half very well. We were completely in the ascendency, then the whole game is decided in 30 seconds. Holmes misses one on one and Sunderland go up the other end and Pritchard - who else? - scores. Had Town gone in front I think it's a different game, but we miss our golden chance and Sunderland take theirs.
To be fair, Sunderland played well from that point onwards. We put on plenty of attacking players and, although the intent was there, the structure was not. The team didn't seem to have an effective shape. At times we had 3-4 players up front, but no way of getting the ball to them. As a result we were not providing good passing options, making poor decisions and giving the ball away.
Hope the two injured lads are okay and make a speedy recovery, but being stretchered off doesn't look good.
I thought Spencer looked good in the first half, particularly on the ball, and Diarra is a strong runner - just needs to learn when to release the ball.
We created plenty of good situations tonight, but our crossing was generally poor. It's no surprise we rely so heavily on Sorba for creativity.
A disappointing result, but not an awful performance. Trouble is, it wasn't good enough and we can't keep losing, particularly home where we gain most of our points. We are now under pressure to get some results from a run of tough games.
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Post by royrace on Nov 3, 2022 0:20:30 GMT 1
Just to reiterate, shite result. However, as many have said, better finishing and we could well have taken the 3 points. I don’t think Sunderland were anything but ordinary, but the first goal was a very good break. Second goal was a sucker punch when we were chasing an equaliser and it made the scoreline flattering for them. We’re bottom of the league, and as befits that position, the luck really isn’t with us. Our injury list seems to grow just to give you that further tap in the nads. However, I saw a few green shoots out there tonight. Some young lads who seem to be getting a bit of confidence in their game, which bodes well for the future, even if we were to be relegated this season. We might need to take a step backwards to move forward, not great for the here & now but longer term we might have a very decent midfield. Defensively we didn’t really do much wrong despite the score, but the age of that back line and the fact we’ve not really had a settled bunch is a concern for me. If we can get Pearson and Lees back & keep them fit, it should give us a boost. As for the forward play, not a lot you can say. It’s not really a lack of talent or chances in the last couple of games, I just think we’ve crept into that mode where our composure is pants. Once you’re bottom of the league & chasing games that becomes a more difficult problem to solve. You’ll probably think I’m on something, but if we can knock a couple of goals in on Sat (big ask), would it surprise people on here if we took a point or three from Blackburn. Still plenty to play for, could do with at least 4 points before the WC break. UTT!!! (and no, I’m not on drugs…) Don’t you remember what happens when town get relegated? Clubs buy all our good and promising players for peanuts and were left with the dross, some of whom are on big wages. The players who performed well tonight won’t be here next season if we’re relegated. |
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Post by townrwe on Nov 3, 2022 0:24:25 GMT 1
Lots of positives tonight.
1. Mark Fozzy is obviously a decent man manager despite a few early concerns, he outed yuta who has been a different player since. He has built up sorba and Lees who have stepped up recently. You can see the kids giving it their all. Camara has a rocket two or three weeks ago and has been improving since.
2. We seem to be getting better, despite the obvious deficiency in the squad.
3. We look fit.
4. The kids are stepping up and looking every bit championship quality. Spencer, Jacko and Camara were very good tonight and Diarra looked like he had lots to offer.
I can see fozzy keeping us up, so long as everyone gets behind him and backs the players efforts.
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Post by ACW on Nov 3, 2022 0:28:32 GMT 1
Noticed a post about Holmes' long throws above. For some reason I can't quote it.
I have commented on Holmes'supposed long throws a few times.
THEY ARE NOT FUCKIN' LONG!
They barely reach the box and create fuck all danger. We would be better taking a short throw and crossing the ball.
Has anyone ever seen one of his throws create anything? Ever?
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Post by crux on Nov 3, 2022 0:28:43 GMT 1
We desperately need some strikers. Rhodes looks to have reached the end of being a starter and is best deployed as a last 15/20 minutes substitute. He deserved about a 2 out of 10 for his performance tonight (and that's generous), then Ward came on and managed to be even worse!
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Post by specialun on Nov 3, 2022 0:30:48 GMT 1
Noticed a post about Holmes' long throws above. For some reason I can't quote it. I have commented on Holmes'supposed long throws a few times. THEY ARE NOT FUCKIN' LONG! They barely reach the box and create fuck all danger. We would be better taking a short throw and crossing the ball. Has anyone ever seen one of his throws create anything? Ever? I’ve seen them create a chance for the opposition - does that count? |
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Post by ACW on Nov 3, 2022 0:30:55 GMT 1
We desperately need some strikers. Rhodes looks to have reached the end of being a starter and is best deployed as a last 15/20 minutes substitute. He deserved about a 2 out of 10 for his performance tonight (and that's generous), then Ward came on and managed to be even worse! The team played okay tonight, but the two strikers had stinkers. Offered nothing. Unfortunately we have few alternatives. |
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Post by ACW on Nov 3, 2022 0:31:24 GMT 1
Noticed a post about Holmes' long throws above. For some reason I can't quote it. I have commented on Holmes'supposed long throws a few times. THEY ARE NOT FUCKIN' LONG! They barely reach the box and create fuck all danger. We would be better taking a short throw and crossing the ball. Has anyone ever seen one of his throws create anything? Ever? I’ve seen them create a chance for the opposition - does that count? 😆 |
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Post by galpharm2400 on Nov 3, 2022 0:31:39 GMT 1
Disappointing intensity levels. We look ok when we play where the ball is, we lack concentration when the opposition has too much time and space.
Lots of runs with the ball but nobody takes it far enough before bailing out with a pass or a long, hopeful shot...
We rarely run with the ball into the box and rarely hit the goal line.
Put a centre half on for a centre half and keep Jackson where he was..
Put Ward on with Rhodes and allow us to at least get it forward a bit quicker a little more direct..
And finally remove the fucking magnet that makes Town players who are running directly at their goal suddenly veer off to the left and right, its annoying...
Its the same magnet that makes all Town players look backwards first when they get the ball...
Decent patches of the game and then running away again at the drop of a hat, its weird and hard to watch.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Nov 3, 2022 0:32:42 GMT 1
Noticed a post about Holmes' long throws above. For some reason I can't quote it. I have commented on Holmes'supposed long throws a few times. THEY ARE NOT FUCKIN' LONG! They barely reach the box and create fuck all danger. We would be better taking a short throw and crossing the ball. Has anyone ever seen one of his throws create anything? Ever? We haven't had a truly dangerous long throw merchant since Nathan Clarke... maybe even Tommy Cowan |
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Post by Drew Peacock on Nov 3, 2022 0:36:42 GMT 1
We actually played some good stuff tonight. We were the better side before they scored and that seemed to knock our confidence a bit. Not surprising when the team is so young. As has been said, scoring is a big issue. We should have scored a couple tonight, especially the Holmes chance, and that has cost us the win. Throw Lees, Pearson, Turton, Hogg, Thomas and Anjorin into that team and it’s a comfortable win for us. I guess that’s what I am clinging onto. We surely have to get some of those players back soon and we will start to pick up some wins. I’d agree with that, what’s concerning is the lack of quality as backup. From what we saw tonight and previously Ruffels, Spencer, Mahoney aren’t championship players. Mahoney jogged on like it was a testimonial, compare him to someone like Quaner coming off the bench, probably a worse footballer but able to affect the game. Then we have 2 centre backs on the bench who are seemingly that bad we’d rather play Ruffels there. Some good performances tonight but it’s nowhere near enough when you have that many weak links and a massive lack of experience. Most top end league one teams would probably beat tonight’s side. Might help if we had a mobile goal scorer. Holmes had a fairly good game but that chance he missed was a real turning point and can we stop it with his long(not) throws and keep him off direct free kicks. A complete waste. It didn’t look good before these recent injuries, looks a whole lot worse now, incredible how weak the squad suddenly looks when you factor in the lack of quality backup. Not just footballing quality but age, experience and attitude. This is what happens when you have to rely on B team players and rejects from other low end championship sides, doesn’t work in this league. Honestly couldn't believe my eyes when I saw Holmes hit that free kick. Jackson has been a bit of a free kick specialist for the B team and has scored numerous times. It was also a perfect position for a left footer. Has Holmes ever scored a free kick in his career? Absolutely bizarre. |
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Post by tockyterrier on Nov 3, 2022 0:38:53 GMT 1
Has Big Mark said how “on another day” we could have won it 5-0 at half time and he gets to have a fish supper with his feet up? I can’t be bothered to hear what drivel he spouted. In a way I feel sorry for him as he’s not good enough but then neither is the squad. The scary thing is I think we will be mid table League One at best. These death spirals take their toll on teams I really don't see how you can say MF not good enough on the evidence so far. We have not scored enough goals. But we have stopped conceding as many as we were doing and we have started creating far more chances than we have been doing for the last few seasons with far more attacking intent. Both those positives are down to coaching. But you can't blame the coach for inheriting a squad of players that can't shoot. |
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Post by boooothy on Nov 3, 2022 0:39:27 GMT 1
Sunderland were absolute wazz. Mowbray said it’s the worst they have played, he didn’t think his team would play that bad. He said they were as bad as the weather.
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 3, 2022 0:43:44 GMT 1
Conceding first looks massive, especially with such a young inexperienced team. You could see straight after the goal that both teams knew Town haven't got a point after conceding first. It’s been mentioned numerous times. It was something we overcame last season, but we’ve slipped back to that mindset being a real Achilles heel for us. Although they did seem to try after their goal, whereas previously we’ve lost shape and made daft mistakes to compound things. Just the finishing let us down tonight. |
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Post by wildhogg on Nov 3, 2022 0:45:15 GMT 1
First goal absolutely knocked the stuffing out of us. We fell apart after that, having played some really good stuff beforehand. We didn't seem to know what to do and became very ragged.
Goes without saying that the lack of goals is a massive issue. However, with Tino to come back and Simpson fit after the World Cup break, there's at least some cause for optimism.
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Post by shawsie on Nov 3, 2022 0:49:58 GMT 1
Sunderland were absolute wazz. Mowbray said it’s the worst they have played, he didn’t think his team would play that bad. He said they were as bad as the weather. Maybe that was down to us stopping them playing?! Im genuinely worried we have the look of a relegated team (dont create enough/score goals and too many errors) but tonight i feel for some of them. Every ricochet is going against us and its uber frustrating at times. Got to dig in big time and find a way to get min 4 pts from next 3 games before the break then take stock. Sadly a lack of direction from the top has left us in deep trouble ....... just gotta hope we can somehow find a way out of it. |
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Post by Drew Peacock on Nov 3, 2022 0:53:38 GMT 1
First goal absolutely knocked the stuffing out of us. We fell apart after that, having played some really good stuff beforehand. We didn't seem to know what to do and became very ragged. Goes without saying that the lack of goals is a massive issue. However, with Tino to come back and Simpson fit after the World Cup break, there's at least some cause for optimism. Tino wasn't fit even when he was fit. Has he ever played 90 minutes for us? Even if he came back now it's going to be months before he's capable of putting a shift in. I'd send him back in January personally and replace him with somebody who can give us more than 60 minutes a game. |
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Post by space hardware on Nov 3, 2022 0:57:31 GMT 1
Went tonight with a mate who is a Wrexham fan.
He couldn't believe how slow our play is, how many of our players stand still, how the player in possession has so few options in front of him and how many unforced errors we make with the ball, especially in dodgy areas just in front of the back four.
I thought we were ok in parts but it's just not enough.
Our attacking play is absolutely fucking shocking. We don't score goals, we have no discernible style and we have no options off the bench.
I don't think even Guardiola could get a tune out of this squad, let alone a nobody like Fotheringham.
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Post by 28901 on Nov 3, 2022 1:04:44 GMT 1
In isolation we did ok…but the league 1 side of roberts/pills/hunt etc beats that side tonight 9 times out of 10. The league 1 side that couldn't get out of league 1? Beat me too it |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Nov 3, 2022 1:10:50 GMT 1
Echo what others have said after skimming over last few pages. First 10 we were all over them. 15-20th min they started to come back into it. 25th min to end if first half forget it, football to any real effect wiped out by weather.
Its all about taking your chances in the end. If Holmes could just beat a keeper one on one it might have been different but our lack of any sort of clinical finishing has been obvious all season. We werent prolific last season either but ran a tightish defence. Thats now looking decimated through injuries and the paper thin squad is being laid bare.
Its not beyond hope but its going to take some turnaround to get us safe before May.
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Post by townrwe on Nov 3, 2022 1:31:45 GMT 1
Biggest concern despite the positives today is how easy we are to play against when we are behind in a game. They seem to manage the game as easily as rotherham did.
I can see us picking up points in the next 3 so still positive going into the world Cup break.
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Post by willo on Nov 3, 2022 1:35:47 GMT 1
Thought we started tonight where we left off Saturday but things fell apart a little after the ginger gnome scored. 2 things are currently letting us down, clinical finishing in front of goal and too much inexperience throughout the team. The games not over by a long shot, and fortunately it’s a pretty poor Championship this time around, but we need to pick up some points before the break for the WC and I can’t see where many are coming from. Positives are that the team look a whole lot fitter now than it did 6-8 weeks ago and that Fotheringham is doing ok. Injuries really taking their toll this season 👎
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