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Post by sabailand on Nov 3, 2022 2:03:16 GMT 1
I hate to say it but that performance (although not a bad one) i've seen many times before from various teams...heading for relegation, play reasonably well but just dont get the breaks, miss chances and then get severely punished, in this instance their first goal which came about a minute or so after us having two chances in quick succession.
I always try and remain optimistic and tonights disappointment wont change that, we've been in worse positions and survived but something has to change, and quick.
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Post by Tinpot on Nov 3, 2022 2:25:27 GMT 1
Our finishing last season was amongst the best in the league. If Rhodes had played like he was sober we'd have won that. That said, Simpson doesn't strike me as the answer for tonight. Quick and an absolute unit but even more raw than I like my steak. Have you seen his scoring record ?? I've seen him finish a darn sight better than he did tonight. I'm not saying he WAS pissed, I'm saying that this evening he played like someone who was. |
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Post by detox on Nov 3, 2022 7:49:02 GMT 1
Ward and Rhodes have been poor for 2-3 games now.. not sure what's gone on here but suspect they've been 'coached' to play differently rather than play by instinct.
I know they're not getting a load of chances but they've had a few and fluffed them all.
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 3, 2022 8:04:46 GMT 1
Rhodes looked off it from minute one and never got going. That's not coaching imo.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Nov 3, 2022 8:25:16 GMT 1
Ward and Rhodes have been poor for 2-3 games now.. not sure what's gone on here but suspect they've been 'coached' to play differently rather than play by instinct. I know they're not getting a load of chances but they've had a few and fluffed them all. Rhodes has been mostly poor since he came back. He tries but it was a daft signing (another one) |
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Post by ACW on Nov 3, 2022 8:36:40 GMT 1
I wish the two strikers, particularly Ward, would stop the fancy first time flicks that rarely come off. We need them to hold the ball up and allow others to join the play.
Sadly, consistently holding the ball up is not a strength of either.
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Post by richhtfc on Nov 3, 2022 8:46:02 GMT 1
Considering our injuries thought that was a good performance, we should’ve been well out of sight by the time they got into it. Felt like we got no luck.
Incredibly frustrating not to get anything but I’m holding on to the fact that we’ve improved a fair bit recently, none of the teams we’re playing are noticeably better than us, and we have a load of starters to come back.
Really hope there’s good news re: Nakayama and Jackson.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Nov 3, 2022 8:48:04 GMT 1
Unfortunately last nights performance reflects a team in serious threat of relegation.
Sunderland were very poor for an hour and we should have been ahead. We created a few chances but the same old story of not putting anything away. We should have been 1 up less than a minute before they scored.
Yes, there were some positive signs in the game but at the end of the day, if you are clinging to positive signs whilst losing 2-0 at home to an average (at best) Championship team then I’m afraid it’s an uphill struggle. I would like to think we have enough about us to get over the 50 point mark, particularly if we can get some players back to our threadbare squad, but I really can’t see how we are going to win 12 games out of 29, given we’ve currently won 4 of 17.
4th bottom is the only place we can hope for at the moment, I do think we can achieve this but either Wards/Rhodes need to start turning up or we need a striker in January.
The World Cup comes at a good time for us.
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 3, 2022 8:53:23 GMT 1
I wish the two strikers, particularly Ward, would stop the fancy first time flicks that rarely come off. We need them to hold the ball up and allow others to join the play. Sadly, consistently holding the ball up is not a strength of either. They need to get to basics. Get the damned ball under control please. Then wait for our midfield to catch up and pass it to someone in the same colours. Wardy looks like it a ball made of soap. Rhodes either didn’t try a decent pass and played backwards or gave it away. Like someone said higher up the thread. The pair have been poor for weeks and as we have no alternatives they simply have to do better. Watched the highlights and Dwaynes miss you at least the keeper makes a save. From the follow up Rhodes only has to hit the target. Terrible miss |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 8:56:16 GMT 1
I’d agree with that, what’s concerning is the lack of quality as backup. From what we saw tonight and previously Ruffels, Spencer, Mahoney aren’t championship players. Mahoney jogged on like it was a testimonial, compare him to someone like Quaner coming off the bench, probably a worse footballer but able to affect the game. Then we have 2 centre backs on the bench who are seemingly that bad we’d rather play Ruffels there. Some good performances tonight but it’s nowhere near enough when you have that many weak links and a massive lack of experience. Most top end league one teams would probably beat tonight’s side. Might help if we had a mobile goal scorer. Holmes had a fairly good game but that chance he missed was a real turning point and can we stop it with his long(not) throws and keep him off direct free kicks. A complete waste. It didn’t look good before these recent injuries, looks a whole lot worse now, incredible how weak the squad suddenly looks when you factor in the lack of quality backup. Not just footballing quality but age, experience and attitude. This is what happens when you have to rely on B team players and rejects from other low end championship sides, doesn’t work in this league. Honestly couldn't believe my eyes when I saw Holmes hit that free kick. Jackson has been a bit of a free kick specialist for the B team and has scored numerous times. It was also a perfect position for a left footer. Has Holmes ever scored a free kick in his career? Absolutely bizarre. I guess Holmes outranked him. I thought Jackson would take it. |
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Post by rockwall on Nov 3, 2022 9:09:46 GMT 1
Simms would have made a big difference to our side. He's a handful. The way he bullied Ruffels was embarassing Don’t think ruffles did bad at all. Certainly didn’t see him getting bullied Me neither. People just have to jump on someone all the time. Ruffles did well considering he ended up at Centre Back |
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Nov 3, 2022 9:11:32 GMT 1
We started brightly and first half was pretty good but again lacked that killer instinct.
Second half, injuries and lack of depth cost us. Fine margins in football and if Holmes scores when clean through then we win the game imo.
There are some areas of improvement since MF came in and we have nearly a very good 11 out injured so hopefully post World Cup we have a stronger squad available to us.
Pearson, Turton, Lees, Nakayama, Hogg, Anjorin, Jones, Thomas, Simpson all missing last night (Yuta from second half). That’s a lot of decent players and experience so let’s not throw the towel in yet!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 9:42:22 GMT 1
OK, I’m going for positives, which I know don’t mean much if we get relegated. Last night we started with 3 academy players and they all played well. Two on the bench one who came on as a sub. For me they all played well, none of them looked out of place. Diarra needs to release the ball sooner, as has been mentioned, but he is a skilful lad. Many have been wanting us to use the youngsters more, me included.
The negatives. Three what look to be ankle injuries in two games is horrible luck, all defenders with two already out and one Prem loanie not deemed good enough. The two enforced changes last night didn’t help us. Hope the two lads aren’t too bad but going off on a stretcher is not good.
Hopefully when Tino is fit we will add to our goal threat because that is what hurt us last night. We need goals from all over the team not just the two strikers though.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Nov 3, 2022 9:43:10 GMT 1
We started brightly and first half was pretty good but again lacked that killer instinct. Second half, injuries and lack of depth cost us. Fine margins in football and if Holmes scores when clean through then we win the game imo. There are some areas of improvement since MF came in and we have nearly a very good 11 out injured so hopefully post World Cup we have a stronger squad available to us. Pearson, Turton, Lees, Nakayama, Hogg, Anjorin, Jones, Thomas, Simpson all missing last night (Yuta from second half). That’s a lot of decent players and experience so let’s not throw the towel in yet! UTT Realistically there's only Thomas from that list who will make a difference. Half of them are defensive players, and conceding goals has not been our problem. Anjorin could only manage 60 minutes BEFORE getting glandular fever, so I dread to think what he'll be like when he comes back. Jones had some good spells but will not be reliable. And Simpson is a complete unknown, but until we start creating good chances for our strikers then I doubt we'll see the best of him |
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Post by artysid on Nov 3, 2022 10:12:44 GMT 1
Thought we were the better side until we conceded, then just seemed to give up.
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Post by pauldaltonsboots on Nov 3, 2022 10:17:58 GMT 1
We started brightly and first half was pretty good but again lacked that killer instinct. Second half, injuries and lack of depth cost us. Fine margins in football and if Holmes scores when clean through then we win the game imo. There are some areas of improvement since MF came in and we have nearly a very good 11 out injured so hopefully post World Cup we have a stronger squad available to us. Pearson, Turton, Lees, Nakayama, Hogg, Anjorin, Jones, Thomas, Simpson all missing last night (Yuta from second half). That’s a lot of decent players and experience so let’s not throw the towel in yet! UTT Realistically there's only Thomas from that list who will make a difference. Half of them are defensive players, and conceding goals has not been our problem. Anjorin could only manage 60 minutes BEFORE getting glandular fever, so I dread to think what he'll be like when he comes back. Jones had some good spells but will not be reliable. And Simpson is a complete unknown, but until we start creating good chances for our strikers then I doubt we'll see the best of him I couldn’t disagree more tbh. We have some talented youngsters - Camara, Rudoni and Jackson have done really well but last night we were crying out for some leadership and experience on the pitch, which Lees, Turton, Pearson and Hogg for example bring loads of. And if you think defenders only defend then that is on you - the whole mood, tempo etc in possession also changes. Not to mention the set piece threat they bring. Anjorin and Jones have bags of talent - having them available would improve our options 100% |
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Post by artysid on Nov 3, 2022 10:20:22 GMT 1
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 3, 2022 10:22:11 GMT 1
A night of positives and negatives really for me.
The positives were that I thought some of our play was pretty mouthwatering at times, especially in the first half. Young players executing some pretty sublime bits of skill and the link up play with its accuracy and speed had Sunderland on the ropes for spells.
I actually really enjoyed the game despite the result on a purely entertainment level.
The negatives were that again we cant score a goal despite being clearly the better side for long spells ( baring in mind Saturdays was a total fluke ) and so far weve relied heavily on set piece goals all season. You can have all the slick build up you like, but if you cant score youre not going to win many if its flukes youre relying on.
I cant even recall their keeper having to make any saves of note. The phrase 'couldn't hit a barn door, sat on the latch' springs to mind.
And the injuries!! Christ its getting worse than Corboran's first season now. Another 2 lost last night.. both options for a key position too.
People talk about a lack of squad depth, but any squad is going to struggle to cope with the amount of missing players we currently have. Youd need a squad of Forest proportions to begin to deal with it!
So with a happy clapper hat on, at least there are signs of better to come.. much better...but we have to turn those signs into something more tangible before the pressure of league position starts to weight so heavy on the players even the signs disappear.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Nov 3, 2022 10:26:16 GMT 1
Realistically there's only Thomas from that list who will make a difference. Half of them are defensive players, and conceding goals has not been our problem. Anjorin could only manage 60 minutes BEFORE getting glandular fever, so I dread to think what he'll be like when he comes back. Jones had some good spells but will not be reliable. And Simpson is a complete unknown, but until we start creating good chances for our strikers then I doubt we'll see the best of him I couldn’t disagree more tbh. We have some talented youngsters - Camara, Rudoni and Jackson have done really well but last night we were crying out for some leadership and experience on the pitch, which Lees, Turton, Pearson and Hogg for example bring loads of. And if you think defenders only defend then that is on you - the whole mood, tempo etc in possession also changes. Not to mention the set piece threat they bring. Anjorin and Jones have bags of talent - having them available would improve our options 100% It's a fair point, we are sorely missing Hogg in particular. But we've had him, Turton, Lees and Yuta as regulars in the team for a fair bit of this season already, and we were still losing. In our recent relegation scraps I've normally seen enough for us to get out of it, but this time I really don't. |
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Post by mosher on Nov 3, 2022 10:36:07 GMT 1
3Pipe from his posts (from memory) bobrobterrier is on the medical staff at Town, or at the very least knows someone who is. Always seems to have some insight into which players are injured. We've got bobrob for injuries, Maynardblue for transfers and administration knowledge and Sparrow for youth team matters. There's others that appear to be in the know on stuff but these three (from what I've seen) have more inside knowledge than anyone else on here.
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Post by mosher on Nov 3, 2022 10:44:52 GMT 1
Bobs the equivalent as Maynards sibling, it must be a bad one unfortunately.  Not fit to lace Maynard's boots mate. That wasn't an insider knowledge thing though, that was who he WANTED, not who we were going for. Seriously mate, from memory I don't recall bobrob being wrong on any tips and/or info he's provided. Having said that, a lot of my memory is shrouded behind a green fog  |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 3, 2022 10:50:26 GMT 1
Bloody weather was appalling first half, had to move further up the stand :D I think we should remove half of the roof in the South stand, let those away supporters relive the experience of the open end... |
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Post by kennyk2 on Nov 3, 2022 10:50:35 GMT 1
I'm almost looking forward to next season in League One, where "we belong". Much bigger clubs than us have been there for a few years, recovered, then got promoted. No shame in being there again. We don't have the money to compete properly in this league, but most fans can't see that. I wouldn't say I'm looking forward to it, but if it does happen, a lot of these youngsters will have had a fair few games in the Championship and should be much better players for it. If we are still in the Championship next season... even better. |
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Nov 3, 2022 10:54:06 GMT 1
A night of positives and negatives really for me. The positives were that I thought some of our play was pretty mouthwatering at times, especially in the first half. Young players executing some pretty sublime bits of skill and the link up play with its accuracy and speed had Sunderland on the ropes for spells. I actually really enjoyed the game despite the result on a purely entertainment level. The negatives were that again we cant score a goal despite being clearly the better side for long spells ( baring in mind Saturdays was a total fluke ) and so far weve relied heavily on set piece goals all season. You can have all the slick build up you like, but if you cant score youre not going to win many if its flukes youre relying on. I cant even recall their keeper having to make any saves of note. The phrase 'couldn't hit a barn door, sat on the latch' springs to mind. And the injuries!! Christ its getting worse than Corboran's first season now. Another 2 lost last night.. both options for a key position too. People talk about a lack of squad depth, but any squad is going to struggle to cope with the amount of missing players we currently have. Youd need a squad of Forest proportions to begin to deal with it! So with a happy clapper hat on, at least there are signs of better to come.. much better...but we have to turn those signs into something more tangible before the pressure of league position starts to weight so heavy on the players even the signs disappear. I know people have been saying Diarra should know when to release the ball, but it was refreshing to see a player running at the opposition like he was. It won't work every time, but he might actually be a catalyst for us if he can get some time on the pitch. Definite improvements in midfield where they're starting to understand one another. |
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Post by Torquayterrier on Nov 3, 2022 10:54:20 GMT 1
Town really do seem to fuel the cliche of ex players scoring against their old team. Dodged a bullet when Afobe was only on the bench until later in the game. It seems to happen to us a lot.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 3, 2022 11:07:20 GMT 1
A night of positives and negatives really for me. The positives were that I thought some of our play was pretty mouthwatering at times, especially in the first half. Young players executing some pretty sublime bits of skill and the link up play with its accuracy and speed had Sunderland on the ropes for spells. I actually really enjoyed the game despite the result on a purely entertainment level. The negatives were that again we cant score a goal despite being clearly the better side for long spells ( baring in mind Saturdays was a total fluke ) and so far weve relied heavily on set piece goals all season. You can have all the slick build up you like, but if you cant score youre not going to win many if its flukes youre relying on. I cant even recall their keeper having to make any saves of note. The phrase 'couldn't hit a barn door, sat on the latch' springs to mind. And the injuries!! Christ its getting worse than Corboran's first season now. Another 2 lost last night.. both options for a key position too. People talk about a lack of squad depth, but any squad is going to struggle to cope with the amount of missing players we currently have. Youd need a squad of Forest proportions to begin to deal with it! So with a happy clapper hat on, at least there are signs of better to come.. much better...but we have to turn those signs into something more tangible before the pressure of league position starts to weight so heavy on the players even the signs disappear. I know people have been saying Diarra should know when to release the ball, but it was refreshing to see a player running at the opposition like he was. It won't work every time, but he might actually be a catalyst for us if he can get some time on the pitch. Definite improvements in midfield where they're starting to understand one another. I thought he made a real impact. Yeah he made a couple of poor decisions but like you say, his willingness to run at them and the skill and speed he showed doing that was a real positive to take from that game. people in the know have been commenting on the quality we have coming through the academy for a couple of years now, and we;'re starting to see it in the first team now. thought Camara was excellent again last night in the first half..Jackson was again too and such a shame his progress is going to be stopped by that injury you'd think. With so many injuries weve had to rely on these kids and so far they've not disappointed IMO. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 3, 2022 11:09:35 GMT 1
Town really do seem to fuel the cliche of ex players scoring against their old team. Dodged a bullet when Afobe was only on the bench until later in the game. It seems to happen to us a lot. Pritchard and Sinani.. one league goal each, against guess who? As soon as the 'what a waste of money' chant went up last night I said to my mate, 'well thats that, he's bound to score now'.. and sure enough. |
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Post by duncfost01 on Nov 3, 2022 11:14:01 GMT 1
I thought the youngsters did well. Rhodes and Ward were awful. How anybody thought having only 2 stickers was a good idea is beyond me.
Koroma, Harratt, Hudlin, Phillips all out on loan. The recruitment has been bloody awful.
If I was MF i would want koroma back - can they?
The Holmes free-kick. They are professionals all day long Jackson should have taken it.
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Post by space hardware on Nov 3, 2022 11:16:28 GMT 1
A night of positives and negatives really for me. The positives were that I thought some of our play was pretty mouthwatering at times, especially in the first half. Young players executing some pretty sublime bits of skill and the link up play with its accuracy and speed had Sunderland on the ropes for spells. I actually really enjoyed the game despite the result on a purely entertainment level. The negatives were that again we cant score a goal despite being clearly the better side for long spells ( baring in mind Saturdays was a total fluke ) and so far weve relied heavily on set piece goals all season. You can have all the slick build up you like, but if you cant score youre not going to win many if its flukes youre relying on. I cant even recall their keeper having to make any saves of note. The phrase 'couldn't hit a barn door, sat on the latch' springs to mind. And the injuries!! Christ its getting worse than Corboran's first season now. Another 2 lost last night.. both options for a key position too. People talk about a lack of squad depth, but any squad is going to struggle to cope with the amount of missing players we currently have. Youd need a squad of Forest proportions to begin to deal with it! So with a happy clapper hat on, at least there are signs of better to come.. much better...but we have to turn those signs into something more tangible before the pressure of league position starts to weight so heavy on the players even the signs disappear. Jesus Christ, steady on! It was decent, nothing more than that. When we got into a good position we invariably fluffed it and they were never really defending for their lives. We are right up shit creek, sans paddle now. |
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Post by sabailand on Nov 3, 2022 11:22:45 GMT 1
Bloody weather was appalling first half, had to move further up the stand I think we should remove half of the roof in the South stand, let those away supporters relive the experience of the open end... With a name like yours surely you were in your element last night  . |
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